Guild Wars 2

Make it so the less you run with the more mf you have. Example say solo you get 200% mf then with each other person you lose 10% till you hit 20 people and you get no bonus. This will helo with rewards as well for running small man teams. Thoughts?

If you care about 200% mf bonus you shouldn’t even be in www.

JPSnow.8296:

Make it so the less you run with the more mf you have. Example say solo you get 200% mf then with each other person you lose 10% till you hit 20 people and you get no bonus. This will helo with rewards as well for running small man teams. Thoughts?

Firstly, if you don’t want to fight in/against zergs, play sPvP. Secondly, if you play WvW for the rewards, you shouldn’t be there. I don’t want PVE people filling our ques and not contributing. WvW is PVP on an epic scale, so zergs are the way to play it.

You dont have to discourage zergs. Any serious WvW player would probably love to run in smaller groups of around 15-20 strong instead of 50+ megablobs. Because its just more fun, and the game is far more responsive.

However, its not viable because goodluck attacking a sieged up keep with just a dozen defenders with just 20people. You barely have the supply for just 1 Treb. Oops, that Thief just Stealth in and placed a Supply Trap under your group. Now your group has 0 supply left.

Thing is, there are plenty of reasons already not to want to run in blobs. But these blobs are needed to actually attack anything that is decently defended. Because the game favors Defense to heavily.

And then there are people who merely seek comfort and safety in numbers, you wont dissuade them from zerging, ever. Dont even bother factoring them in.

Junkpile.7439:

If you care about 200% mf bonus you shouldn’t even be in www.

so very very true

Seigfried.5938:

Firstly, if you don’t want to fight in/against zergs, play sPvP.

This, a Million times over.

World Vs World is about siege battles, large scale fights, the feeling of armies colliding, with death, destruction, and mayhem abound. In simple terms, WvW is a Servers War Zone.

I don’t see why anyone goes out there and complains about facing armies of people. If you want small scale, Anet went though a lot of effort to make a very distinctive and very involved “Small Scale” combat arena.

Cool. More incentive to play my thief and annoy people with stealth.

Dunno why people have it in for zergs.

I like to run with my guild (10-25 usually) but when I’m ‘off-duty’, I get a lot of fun from larger battles with the zergs.

And there’s nothing wrong with people ‘learning the ropes’ in the relative safety of a zerg. A solo newbie has zero chance.

I don’t think basing this around MF is the way to go, a lot of the people in WvW aren’t there to farm gold and what not, they’re in there because the enjoy a larger scale PvP than sPvP.

I also don’t agree with what people have said above, ‘if you want small scale, go spvp, wvw is about server vs server’. There is a big difference between 5v5/8v8 and 60v60/80v80. My guild runs with typically 20-25 every night, and we’d love to see that kind of small scale promoted more, running with blobs just creates skill lag leading to an inevitable frustration on both sides of the fight.

ANet’s current servers cannot handle what the community is asking for with the 80vs80, servers are melting, frequent DC’s, skill lag, crashes, etc etc. I don’t care how ‘epic’ a fight is, if the only thing I can use is ‘1’, and half of the force DC’s mid way through a fight, thats pretty **** and not enjoyable IMO.

We as a guild want to see more of this^ No lag, epic fights 20v20/30v30.

This is the kind of suggestion I could support if you really want to try to limit zergs, unlike other suggestions that penalize people and slow down their play just for having a large group around.

That’s like asking the world chess league to implement new pieces that prevent a bishop/knight/queen castle side assault. WvW is zerg warfare, for the most part. It’s centered around a seige / capture point style—a lot like real warfare where, as you know, opponents have found it advantage to form armies and move in formation.

Why do you all have so much fun in zerg fights? Seriously, I don’t understand how that is fun for people. There is very limited strategy involved…biggest army wins most of the time.

My small guild and I came to gw2 WvWvW expecting some viability of smaller groups. Beta was great, far less Zergy…now the WvWvW is just not fun for people who don’t like Huge fights. This is why most of my friends are no longer active in this game. Spvp is fun…but it isn’t the same. I agree with an earlier post, there should be a middle ground between Spvp and OMG ZERG fights of Wvw.

Alas….it is not so.

Snowstorm.3897:

ANet’s current servers cannot handle what the community is asking for with the 80vs80, servers are melting, frequent DC’s, skill lag, crashes, etc etc. I don’t care how ‘epic’ a fight is, if the only thing I can use is ‘1’, and half of the force DC’s mid way through a fight, thats pretty **** and not enjoyable IMO.

Then the solution is to fix the skill lag problem.

Also, I am on T8, ALL of our fights are in the 10 – 30 group range, out entire forces (from all 3 sides combined) I doubt breaks 80 people. So the problem you are talking about it really server directed. In that vein that would be like making a fuss that Jormag always overflows because you have too many people on your server that like to do Dragon events. or on the other side, making a fuss you can’t get temple armor because no one opens temples. It’s not a game mechanic that is the problem, so it’s not a game mechanic that will readily fix the problem. It’s a matter of player population and participation.

The answer to this, is find the demographic that works for you, T8 is very light on players, we never have queues, and 40 on any one side is astonishing, regardless of the claims that everyone is putting out 50 man zergs in T8, we seldom seen orange swords outside a major keep or tower battle.

Maybe we have what you really want from WvW, even if we are bottom tier. Some days, being in first place is not always considered the most enjoyable.

Tak.2659:

Why do you all have so much fun in zerg fights? Seriously, I don’t understand how that is fun for people. There is very limited strategy involved…biggest army wins most of the time.

My small guild and I came to gw2 WvWvW expecting some viability of smaller groups. Beta was great, far less Zergy…now the WvWvW is just not fun for people who don’t like Huge fights. This is why most of my friends are no longer active in this game. Spvp is fun…but it isn’t the same. I agree with an earlier post, there should be a middle ground between Spvp and OMG ZERG fights of Wvw.

Alas….it is not so.

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In T8, our “zerg” is exactly what you are looking for. Some days, it’s even as little as five people trying to find off 20 at Hills, other days, we can get some huge battles of 20 vs going, and they feel epic. Skills blasting off, small teams braking off to duel it out, single targeting out one player to kill, because you know them. Our battles can go from small duels to just brutal grudge match. It;s up close, it’s personal, and every body on the field, matters.

You want to talk solo skills, we cap fully ungraded camps solo all the time, because that is what we need to do, because the other 5 total players on the field are trying to stop Garrison from being overrun by a force 3 times our size.

You want some 1 v 3 or 2 v 5, all over the field with skirmishes, we have those by the bucket full on T8. Do you want be known, T8, people are known, heros are made by their actions, and no one is tossed to the wayside.

Are you looking for siege fights that are decided in 20 minuets as opposed to hours, that’s T8 for you, fast, brutal, and decisive fights, towers flipping like traffic signals on a daily basis, and with how much our camps change hands you would think there was profit in it.

For real, we think 8 people is enough to take a defended tower.

So yes. WvW, does provide all you want, you just need to find the right place to get it, just like the guild you join, or the part of the game you want to play, the server you are on, tells how your world is going to be. If you want the 20/20, then you are not going to find that in a server that is maxing queues every day, all day.

You need to move on to the places and servers that have the wvw experience you are looking for. So, as opposed to trying to force the rest of your server to play the way you want, try your hand at going to servers that are already playing that way and loving it.

Seigfried.5938:

JPSnow.8296:

Make it so the less you run with the more mf you have. Example say solo you get 200% mf then with each other person you lose 10% till you hit 20 people and you get no bonus. This will helo with rewards as well for running small man teams. Thoughts?

Firstly, if you don’t want to fight in/against zergs, play sPvP. Secondly, if you play WvW for the rewards, you shouldn’t be there. I don’t want PVE people filling our ques and not contributing. WvW is PVP on an epic scale, so zergs are the way to play it.

TBH, theres nothing epic in pressing skill 10 times in a row without any effect firing, while 10 times bigger numbers roll over you killing you with autoattacks alone

If they ever find a solution to discourage zerg you guys will still complain about unbalance like :

“OMG !!! 30vs20 !!!
then
“OMG !!! 20vs19 ! "
then
“OMG !!! full [insert OP class] squad zerg !! noobs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Go beg Anet to give you some kind of “balanced GvG environment” instead of complaining about zergs in WvWvW.

First off small teams win the match for your server. Large forces usually waste resources ie people, plus you use strats like have a 5 man attack a tower in far side of map while main force goes to keep. This just helps the small team get some reward as well. Why mf because no one has it in wvw saying your a serious wvw player because you dint like magic find is stupid. Its just that other stats are too important if you get it without any negative effect why be mad lol. Just gives you more coin to order uogrades

Why would you want to discourage zergs in the first place? Zergs only exist of a large number of people participate in them. If you participate in them, you likely support them.

Despite this constant QQ about zergs on the forums, the fact is that zergs only exist because a large majority of players support them.

Doomdesire.9365:

Why would you want to discourage zergs in the first place? Zergs only exist of a large number of people participate in them. If you participate in them, you likely support them.

Despite this constant QQ about zergs on the forums, the fact is that zergs only exist because a large majority of players support them.

Or a lot of people prefer being in a zerg to being overrun by one.

I think maybe the problem is that there’s a population imbalance in wvw. One side will have double the population. It’s not really an issue with zerging itself but he’s probably more concerned about why his 10 man group has to get steam rolled by a 50 man blob lol.

Unfortunately though, the only way to do anything about that is to punish the server that CAN get more people on. I personally don’t see a solution to wvw pop imbalance and that’s just how it is. You can’t really penalize people for wanting to wvw just to make up for those who choose not to for whatever reason. You could bring incentives in WvW (wexp didn’t really do anything) but still, I feel pve-ers will remain where they’re most comfortable

Doomdesire.9365:

Why would you want to discourage zergs in the first place? Zergs only exist of a large number of people participate in them. If you participate in them, you likely support them.

Despite this constant QQ about zergs on the forums, the fact is that zergs only exist because a large majority of players support them.

/agree

I enjoy a good zerg, but running small group ops is where it’s at.
However, I don’t trust most PUGs to understand what they’re supposed to be doing in a small group, so thank Kormir for zergs.

ANet likes zerging. Get used to it.

GuardianOMS.8067:

ANet likes zerging. Get used to it.

If only their servers would share that opinion, something good may finally come of it…

What are you talking about? We are battling our one true enemy, lag. That is the ultimate boss, we just haven’t zerged hard enough to take it down. I don’t know about you but I feel stronger every time I face it!

JPSnow.8296:

Make it so the less you run with the more mf you have. Example say solo you get 200% mf then with each other person you lose 10% till you hit 20 people and you get no bonus. This will helo with rewards as well for running small man teams. Thoughts?

lemme guess.. you want to farm the skelks at spawn right?

^Is there some kind of benefit to doing that in WvW over PvE?

Alchemist.3692:

Unfortunately though, the only way to do anything about that is to punish the server that CAN get more people on. I personally don’t see a solution to wvw pop imbalance and that’s just how it is. You can’t really penalize people for wanting to wvw just to make up for those who choose not to for whatever reason. You could bring incentives in WvW (wexp didn’t really do anything) but still, I feel pve-ers will remain where they’re most comfortable

That is NOT the only way…another way is to reward the winning side with access to some area that is not in wvw, but offer good rewards. DAOC player will call it DF, unskilled zergers will complain, nothing will be done, time for bed here.

Junkpile.7439:

If you care about 200% mf bonus you shouldn’t even be in www.

Opinions….
I’m not too gone on the suggestion sure, but if people wanna play with MF, they wanna play with MF.

Why would we want to discourage zergs? That’s what WvW was built to support. It has walled combat, after all — the epitome of “zerg” combat in a historical sense. There are all kinds of problems to running your entire map’s population in one big zerg, too. The biggest being that a zerg that big can only be in one place at a time.

If you don’t want to run with the zerg, there’s plenty to do in WvW with small groups or even solo. Or, you can do sPvP.

Not a problem with zergs, but a way to discourage the 50v10 issues.

On your home map, you can have as many people as you want, and invading servers can only ever have the number of people you have fielded there. Thus if you have 10 people on your home border, the invaders can only have 10 people each there (if you have zero they can have 1). In eternal battleground each side can only have as many as the others. if it’s 20v20v20…2 servers have people quing but the other does not? You’re all stuck with the cap at 20 till that 3rd server has some people que up.

This will stop a LOT of the “nightcapping” crying I see at every tier of WvWvW. It also has the benefit of forcing people to actually fight on equal terms and equal footing and actually…oh I don’t know…out strategize the other servers rather than just out manning them.

However, lets face it…people don’t want “fair” fights…they just want to steamroll implicitly.