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Nah, that makes too much sense

kitten straight they should!

Agreed, but still have a chance to give a token

+1 /15chars

honestly surprised they don’t already.

The BL Chests are on a ridiculous level for rewards as it is, I say yes to this suggestion… 1 scrap per EVERY box we open isn’t a huge sacrifice.

Yeah would be nice nice if these chests would finally give something nice. Please Anet, consider changing them into someting more rewarding.
Any more opinions?

I bought 5 BL keys a few days ago thinking that each chest gives one scrap. After opening them, I just got 2.

I definitely don’t think the chests are worth buying. Specially now, with the Gem price soaring through the roof

If they do this I hope they bloody well make it retroactive. :<

That would be nice! I might actually BUY keys of that were the case.

Mel.8769:

That would be nice! I might actually BUY keys of that were the case.

Agreed.

Yes to this, it would definetely make the game more rewarding as to Colins queestion in the discussion thread, what rewards we would ike to see that would motivate us to play the game…

ANet has finally to reduce the massive crushing RNG of this game down to a normal level, where you as a player don#t receive the impression, that Anet tries hard to lock all kind of cosmetical thigns behind a massive rng wall blocking the content off of you, unless you buy incredible amounts of keys with real money just to hit the next rng gambling crap that is just there to make players poor to draw as much money out of us as possible…

If we could work really toward those weapon skins by earning 1 guaranteed scrap ber opened chest, I’m 100% sure alot more people would be also willing to buy those chests from the ingame shop instead of farming keys with permanently recreating new characters, what is a super boring and lame way to gain any keys at all to get somehow those weapon skins that you want.

Either this, or Anet should put finally all of those special weapon skins to the ingame shop for direct selling prices completely removign any rng out of the game lettign us directly finally buy, what we want.

That is a great idea, but what about those that spent tons of gold and time to buy/earn keys up till now?

Romo.3709:

That is a great idea, but what about those that spent tons of gold and time to buy/earn keys up till now?

Too bad for you.

Orpheal.8263:

Either this, or Anet should put finally all of those special weapon skins to the ingame shop for direct selling prices completely removign any rng out of the game lettign us directly finally buy, what we want.

The problem with this, is if they were player controlled, the prices would quickly become outrageous, much like the Grim Reaper Sickle skin.

Why should that happen, if Anet just removes the ability to place the weapon skins into the TP, once they make the skins buyable directly throgh a fix amount of gems.

If you have to buy now for example 25 BLC Keys to get your 25 scraps for 5 tokens to get your weapon skin that you want, or if you just go into the shop to buy there directly the skin that you want for a direct gem price, that is similar, as if you would have bought the 25 keys… then those weapons would be totally overpriced on the first look, but we would have finally no stupid RNG anymore around them with the possibility to have to waste alot more money, until you finally get what you want …

In addition to a chest always giving a ticket scrap, one thing I think Anet should do is Always reward 1 Black Lion Key or Always give 1 Ticket Scrap for completing any of the maps in the game. That way Players are motivated to go out there and level new characters and complete maps they play on. This would also allieviate some of the problems with Player-Controlled prices, because most of the RNG risk is now removed, but it will still take alot of time to get one of these tickets, and any player can now go out there and invest their own time in getting weapon skins instead of just buying gems, or hoping that its available on the trading post for a good price.

Edit : Another thing is, only maps above level 20 should give that reward, so players don’t just create a new character and run through all the starter areas over and over again.

Chrispy.5641:

In addition to a chest always giving a ticket scrap, one thing I think Anet should do is Always reward 1 Black Lion Key or Always give 1 Ticket Scrap for completing any of the maps in the game. That way Players are motivated to go out there and level new characters and complete maps they play on. This would also allieviate some of the problems with Player-Controlled prices, because most of the RNG risk is now removed, but it will still take alot of time to get one of these tickets, and any player can now go out there and invest their own time in getting weapon skins instead of just buying gems, or hoping that its available on the trading post for a good price.

Edit : Another thing is, only maps above level 20 should give that reward, so players don’t just create a new character and run through all the starter areas over and over again.

Also really great idea. Hear hear us Arena Net! This RNG thing really takes fun off the game sometimes.

How about a key drop rate that isn’t ridiculous? Would it be so bad if players could average at least 1 key drop for every 2 hours of actual game play…without repeating any story mode, but actual normal play? Even 1 every 6 hours or 1 every 24 hours of play would be more acceptable to me than spending a ton of gold or god forbid real money for mostly nice, but not so awesome, consumables and a really rare chance of anything good. When the game first started, chest drops seemed pretty cool but at least for me, there’s no excitement whatsoever from getting any chest drop anymore. Farming a kitten-ton of gold just to buy keys is even far less exciting.

Agree would be great for the few skins i actually like instead of buying keys for a possible drop.

Not going to happen.
The only reason they would do that if people stop buying bl-keys cause they are fed up with RNG. I only hear complaints bout RNG, but don’t realise that complaining and still buying wont help a thing. All Anet is seeing is that the keys are selling and they are making a huge profit on it, so there is no reason to believe the NRG-haters and adept the system. So if you want RNG removed from bl-keys, then stop complaining but most off all stop buying!

Nothing will be changed as long as a lot of people are buying the BL-keys!

Flanar.5981:

I bought 5 BL keys a few days ago thinking that each chest gives one scrap. After opening them, I just got 2.

I definitely don’t think the chests are worth buying. Specially now, with the Gem price soaring through the roof

I bought 25 keys and got 3 scraps..

@OP
Your suggestion would improve the system. I find the current system exploitative of customers with low impulse control.

I wish they dropped from mobs with the same rate as unID’d dyes. Think this would be an acceptable adjustment and still give you a sense of accomplishment and reward.

RNG is RNG. a promise to get one with each chest would go against everything this game is trying to do. (please do not remember what comes in your First Birthday Gift for this argument to remain valid)

Dropping from mobs would be an acceptable alternative.

I am strongly opposed to the RNG chests in the gem store that contain anything other than the stuff you can outright buy in the store already – such as boosters, revivers, minipets.

I don’t buy the RNG chests and I don’t think they are good for the “feel” of the game. They seem exploitative to me. I’m sure many people are fine with it and think it is good for the game etc. But every time I see them mentioned I picture sleazy used car salesmen. It makes me lose respect for the game. Maybe that is just me. But it seems to me they are taking advantage of a subgroup of players just because they can.

CattivoUomo.7198:

How about a key drop rate that isn’t ridiculous? Would it be so bad if players could average at least 1 key drop for every 2 hours of actual game play…

Amen, Brother, Amen. After opening almost 5,000 Dragon Coffers, including many purchased from the Gem Store and many more donated to me by lovable Guildies (Thanks, The Last Sanctuary! <3), in search of one measly skin… without getting so much as ONE SKIN, I swore off of Anet’s version of Casino Gambling forever. Drop rates less than 1 in 5,000 are simply absurd, and feel abusive to me as well.

I now have well over one hundred Black Lion Chests in my bank. I will NEVER again pay Anet to open even one of them, because I might as well flush my money down the toilet- at least I’d have the fun of watching my ten dollar bills swirl around for a few seconds before disappearing down the drain hole.

The only Black Lion chests I will ever open again are the ones I get keys for as drops. Despite playing 9 characters approximately 6-8 hours a day, every day, for well over a year, I have seen maybe one BLC Key a week, on average. Those chests that I do open (because I got a Key as a drop) contain mostly absolute throwaway account-bound junk. I have seen only ONE ticket fragment in all that time.

So, the impossible drop rates that Anet seems to favor have cured me of ever spending “gambling” money in this game again. I would srsly get better odds in any Casino in the world than I get from GW2’s RNG.

mercury ranique.2170:

Not going to happen.
The only reason they would do that if people stop buying bl-keys cause they are fed up with RNG. I only hear complaints bout RNG, but don’t realise that complaining and still buying wont help a thing. All Anet is seeing is that the keys are selling and they are making a huge profit on it, so there is no reason to believe the NRG-haters and adept the system. So if you want RNG removed from bl-keys, then stop complaining but most off all stop buying!

Nothing will be changed as long as a lot of people are buying the BL-keys!

Yeah I wonder why people buying such overpriced item! Maybe if key was 25 gems, not 125… There are so many great ideas how to improve the thing. I hope that someone from Anet is checking this subforum.

From what I’ve read on the forums in the last year, lots of people buy these keys. Some have claimed to have spent hundreds of dollars total or say they buy $50 worth of keys at a time. As long as people are spending like this, ANet will have no reason to change.

Anyone else hear the toilet just flush on the outrageous prices of those Black Lion’s exchanged weapons? lmao

I honestly think BL chests are such a stupid idea. The rewards you get from them are awful, not to mention keys basically have to be farmed to get them without paying IRL money. I’ve only had 2 key drops in the year that I’ve been playing.

That being said, BL chests are probably a large proportion of their gem store sales so I can’t see them changing them anytime soon.

I also purchased recently a lot of k?ys for irl money … i got 2 scrap which is ridiculous.
I would suggest not that every chest gives a scrap or full ticket but at least the rate must be better … its not normal the rate to be so absurd.

My suggestion is as follows: the rate for keys gets betters, we actually get normal rate, and as few people mentioned we get a kay/per few hours or the daily give key.
Second, we get a better chase on the scrap, and a rare but acceptable chance to get the full ticket.

i think those things will make the it much more acceptable, pleasant and people will actually spend more money on keys when they know there is an actual chance of getting something interesting, a skin a full ticket or scrap that will be actually there when you open 1-2 chests.

I so far opened like 20 chests … got bunch of kitten that i sold for like … 1-2 gold (not even worth 1 key not to mention the 20 keys) 2 scraps and nothing else. No skin, nothing else good…

so Anet, please listen to your player base if you want to profit more and to make your customers happy.

Happy customers = Happy Anet! – trust me on this!

The thing with this is that if it happened they would probably remove the ability to get a complete ticket as a trade-off.

RNG clearly sells, so why remove it?

if that would be the case…
i’d have a fused weapon by now

Realy like the idéa I would also buy keys then

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

If they do this I hope they bloody well make it retroactive. :<

Why would they!?
I opened over 40 chests before the scraps where introduced … I didn’t get any retroactive for them

Agree with this 100%. At least then you could make an investment knowing that you will at least get something out of it, rather than PvP Glory Boosters or Armour Boosters that I’m never going to use ever.

Agreed, but it needs to be taken even further.

• One guaranteed scrap per chest, with a chance[and much higher than current chance] for a full ticket/more scraps
• Once the skin item is bought and used, it is sent to the account-wide skin locker, no more of this one time use garbage

This could easily be one of the best suggestions I’ve seen. It’s ridiculous how they haven’t done this already. ANET!!! TAKE NOTES! And add this on the next patch. Economically you’re gonna benefit tremendously out of this. Just remove the key rewards on lvl 10 missions (keep the lvl 30 and 50 reward because NO ONE will farm those and call it affordable since it’s gonna take for ever) so they’re not exploitable. 1 scrap per chest is fair, and this should had been in the game since day 1.

Pache.9406:

This could easily be one of the best suggestions I’ve seen. It’s ridiculous how they haven’t done this already. ANET!!! TAKE NOTES! And add this on the next patch. Economically you’re gonna benefit tremendously out of this. Just remove the key rewards on lvl 10 missions (keep the lvl 30 and 50 reward because NO ONE will farm those and call it affordable since it’s gonna take for ever) so they’re not exploitable. 1 scrap per chest is fair, and this should had been in the game since day 1.

Can you really guarantee that bold part?
Because if you can’t then it is a rather silly risk for them to take.
They have after all sold skins directly in the store before and yet they still keep up with the RNG, which would imply that the RNG is making them more money.

Sure a few more people might buy the keys if they make the scrap guaranteed. But will it really be enough people to outweigh the current amount of money spent by people?

If they were going to make it one guaranteed scrap per chest then why should they bother with the scraps being in chests at all? Why not one weapon skin for $15 USD and you buy it directly? The reason why, imo, is that they believe that people like the system as it is now. And since people are buying these keys in sufficient numbers to make ANet happy, then they are right and have no reason to change.

If people weren’t buying the keys, they would have dropped it a long time ago.

Astral Projections.7320:

If they were going to make it one guaranteed scrap per chest then why should they bother with the scraps being in chests at all? Why not one weapon skin for $15 USD and you buy it directly? The reason why, imo, is that they believe that people like the system as it is now. And since people are buying these keys in sufficient numbers to make ANet happy, then they are right and have no reason to change.

If people weren’t buying the keys, they would have dropped it a long time ago.

That’s not really a good argument. People HAVE to buy the keys to get the skins because there is no other way.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

Astral Projections.7320:

If they were going to make it one guaranteed scrap per chest then why should they bother with the scraps being in chests at all? Why not one weapon skin for $15 USD and you buy it directly? The reason why, imo, is that they believe that people like the system as it is now. And since people are buying these keys in sufficient numbers to make ANet happy, then they are right and have no reason to change.

If people weren’t buying the keys, they would have dropped it a long time ago.

That’s not really a good argument. People HAVE to buy the keys to get the skins because there is no other way.

What I am saying is, I think the number of people buying keys the way they are set up with random chance exceeds the money that they would get by selling the weapon skins directly or by selling one scrap per chest guaranteed. They are selling these to make money and they are selling them in the manner that they calculate will bring in the most money. If they could make more money by selling by selling directly then they would. If they could make more money by selling a guaranteed one scrap per chest then they would. Since they sell the scraps with a random chance that must be the best money maker and it’s not going to change unless people stop buying the keys.

When they set up this system, they would have studied all the cash shops from the different MMOs. They would have seen which methods pulled in the most money and chosen those methods. Since they chose the random chance method for the weapon skins then that is the one that is the most profitable for MMO cash shops.

mercury ranique.2170:

Not going to happen.
The only reason they would do that if people stop buying bl-keys cause they are fed up with RNG. I only hear complaints bout RNG, but don’t realise that complaining and still buying wont help a thing. All Anet is seeing is that the keys are selling and they are making a huge profit on it, so there is no reason to believe the NRG-haters and adept the system. So if you want RNG removed from bl-keys, then stop complaining but most off all stop buying!

Nothing will be changed as long as a lot of people are buying the BL-keys!

Why do you advise people to stop complaining about it? If we don’t speak up, nothing will get changed.

I will vocally oppose this practice as long as I am allowed to do so (in a respectful manner). I also do not purchase RNG items. Let’s face it- the chests aren’t worth it. There’s nothing reliable and fun to get in them. I mean, heck, even a 5-pack of unidentified dyes or something would be better than what’s in there now.

I believe that I’m not the only one opposing this and not buying these items.

Of course you can speak up.
But action speak louder than words, and clearly there is more than enough people that actually buy the RNG-keys in order for ArenaNet to be happy with the current situation.

Yeah I bought 5 keys after the scraps were announced, thinking it would be this way, got NOTHING, never bought any more keys.