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Face-to-face trading & Cash-on-delivery mailing
I’m very happy face to face trading and cash-on-delivery mailing are not in the game. The Trading House is considerably harder to use as a way to exploit other people or as a way to play the market; not to mention how it removes the WTS spam from the game.
This was a great idea, and I hope ArenaNet sticks with it.
“I think that players are starting to mature past the point of wanting to be on that
treadmill, of being in that obvious pattern of every time I catch up you are going to
put another carrot in front of me” – Mike O’Brien right before Ascended weapons
treadmill, of being in that obvious pattern of every time I catch up you are going to
put another carrot in front of me” – Mike O’Brien right before Ascended weapons
A game designer said this was conscious decision made on their part to control the economy (inflation). I doubt they will change this unless they get to charge you 15% on in person trade
It’s because they’re forcing you to use the Trading Post.
They’ve got you by the balls, mate.
Folks are talking about it reducing the WTS spam. Yeah, because the game somehow magically has global chat. That makes sense. What, were you going to complain that people would spam WTS in Lion’s Arch? You know, a place where trade kinda is implied by the architecture, style, vendors, and story?
Ha. Ha. Ha. That would be quite foolish of you.
That being said, if they wanted everyone to use the TP, then at the very least they should insure you the capability of previewing items, sorting by armor type, and also have a proper working search input box. The latter bugs out when you search for an item, open up another window, and go back to the Trade Post search window. You have the little ticking line implying input, but it doesn’t actually register keystrokes, instead you find yourself opening 30 different windows because you typed in words like “major”.
I’m very happy face to face trading and cash-on-delivery mailing are not in the game. The Trading House is considerably harder to use as a way to exploit other people or as a way to play the market; not to mention how it removes the WTS spam from the game.
This was a great idea, and I hope ArenaNet sticks with it.
No mate, sorry.
It’s the player’s responsibility not to get scammed. And in GW1 trade spam was easily managed with a separate trade channel in the chat.
Trade posts have a long history in gaming as a means to exploit markets and get rich quickly, it makes it easier for people to do so.
Video games have title screens. Please give us back the GW2 title screen.
Yes the lack of trading is annoying but they need to make money also. If your friend was a guildy then I suggest using your guild bank, you put it in and he takes it out.
“Some of my best friends are heterosexual”
“Yes the lack of trading is annoying but they need to make money also.”
Are you really, honestly, SERIOUSLY justifying the gutted trade infrastructure with the business excuse?
That doesn’t even make sense. How are they making money by not letting people trade?
Video games have title screens. Please give us back the GW2 title screen.
Trading post made life easy. I admit that. The thing is that WTS spam wasn’t a bad thing but restricting working options is. Trading became a gold sink too? The whole game seems like a gold sink. If p2p trading makes comeback the game will be more social by increasing communication between players.
Mm. I like turtles.
“Yes the lack of trading is annoying but they need to make money also.”
Are you really, honestly, SERIOUSLY justifying the gutted trade infrastructure with the business excuse?
That doesn’t even make sense. How are they making money by not letting people trade?
They probably aren’t, but the theory behind it is sound. The idea is that, because they take a 5% fee when you post an item on the TP and another 10% when you sell it, they are removing currency from the players by funneling every sale through the TP. And by taking more money from the players, they are hoping that more players will spend real-world money on gems when they don’t have enough in-game gold to exchange.
There are design decisions all around this game that were obviously made in order to encourage purchases on the BLTC (perhaps among other reasons, as well). I’m betting this is one of them.
You’re in a dungeon and you’re team mate finds a decent item. So he links it, and offers it to someone in the group, they accept…..
So what does he do?
He puts it in the mail, it goes around the world faster than a speeding bullet, and then lands in the “mailbox” of the person standing beside him.
It’s downright ridiculous.
I also agree that COD would be beneficial in the game.
“Yes the lack of trading is annoying but they need to make money also.”
Are you really, honestly, SERIOUSLY justifying the gutted trade infrastructure with the business excuse?
That doesn’t even make sense. How are they making money by not letting people trade?
They probably aren’t, but the theory behind it is sound. The idea is that, because they take a 5% fee when you post an item on the TP and another 10% when you sell it, they are removing currency from the players by funneling every sale through the TP. And by taking more money from the players, they are hoping that more players will spend real-world money on gems when they don’t have enough in-game gold to exchange.
There are design decisions all around this game that were obviously made in order to encourage purchases on the BLTC (perhaps among other reasons, as well). I’m betting this is one of them.
Whilst I will agree that what you propose is indeed possible. I think it’s just more likely that they want to keep a strangle hold on the economy for now. Not necessarily banking on people buying gems from the BLTC, but simply to ensure that the economy doesn’t inflate too quickly.
Personally, i think they’re being a little overly cautious with it. The DR restrictions on farming for items + costs for repairs and WP’s + other costs seems (to me) to be a little too overly cautious. Maybe they’ll relinquish their grasp in the future? Who knows.
However, coming back to the original subject, there’s no reason why a “tax” couldn’t be put on COD mailing. After all, it’s a transaction. And governments love to tax everything they can.
Benefit: being able to mail goods with a COD option.
Drawback: Tax on anything sold.
(edited by Tarkaroshe.8370)
Again the other day, my guildy had an item that I wanted and was going to sell it to me. I trust my guildies to do honest item exchanges but I don’t trust everyone to do the same.
Direct trade has been a basic functionality of all MMOs for YEARS~
just like Title Screens; yeah I went there, deal with it.
Video games have title screens. Please give us back the GW2 title screen.
Does anyone else have any input on this?
Video games have title screens. Please give us back the GW2 title screen.
The most successful method of player to player trading in MMOs is and has been having an auction house (aka centralized 24/7 all trading availability). The TP improves on those AH systems by removing various limitations and undesirable aspects of the previous incarnations of that most successful method of trading. It makes no sense not to use this system to buy from and sell to others. You only need the brief time to list the item or make the purchase and move on with playing.
Now take in the fact that there is no time limit and that you can make offers that people can choose to sell to you or wait for someone to buy at their price makes the system all that much better (two of those improvements made over previous incarnations). So what is there not to like about the system other than the seller having to decide how to price the items based on the 15% fee that is mostly standard to the system.
There is no coin fee for the mailing system. Other games charge for it’s use in order to maintain the fee for all forms of trading for profit at the expense of charging for using it for giving stuff away too. The only possible use case of COD or face to face trade would be if you needed to buy something that wasn’t in the TP and had to ask people outside of your friends or guild mates to be able to get it. After all if they are people who would be trustworthy and if coin was involved then you wouldn’t be getting scammed for those rare if existent at all moments you can’t buy something from the TP. So it’s only benefit if complete random stranger is involved.
Do you trust your trading partner? Mail it. It will get there instantaneously, wherever you are. they can do the same with their side of the deal.
You don’t trust your trading partner? Why isn’t market rate through the TP good enough? Why are you dealing with someone you don’t trust? Well, lets ignore that. Lets say you CoD it to the person and they were trustworthy. No big deal, it works. Lets say they aren’t. Now, they can’t take the item without paying, but they don’t have to take it. Ever. It will just it in their inbox. So now they are holding onto your legendary precursor and will return the mail for 20g. So now you either need to put in a support ticket for this guy being a kitten and hope that ArenaNet will protect you from yourself, or you need to pony up the ransom. Not good.
How many times have similar-looking items been swapped in a trade window? Too many. You can’t do that with a trade post.
The trade post also limits the effects of people trying to price-scam. My daughter accidentally sold a minipet at less than 1/10th of its value. A trade post forces everyone, buyer and seller, to see the market and the current value.
I understand their decision to reduce the potential for fraud in the community. When you give people the tools to be dishonest, people will use them—there are dishonest people out there. You then need a team of people to police the community and deal with these incidents. But if you don’t give these people the tools, you solve problems for everybody. And you can have a top-tier MMO without needing a monthly subscription fee to pay your 24/7 customer service staff.
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“The most successful method of player to player trading in MMOs is and has been having an auction house (aka centralized 24/7 all trading availability).”
Thanks for the opinion.
Options were removed from the franchise. “I can’t be be bothered to find prices or teach my daughter how to find prices or protect ourselves from fraud” is not a legit reason. People used f2f and cod for good reasons and not to fraud other people and do not appreciate the limitations.
Video games have title screens. Please give us back the GW2 title screen.
A game designer said this was conscious decision made on their part to control the economy (inflation). I doubt they will change this unless they get to charge you 15% on in person trade
I think that this decision would really only have a marginal effect on inflation; compared to the trading post face to face or COD transactions would only be minimal. Even just adding COD allows for anet to take a cut from price of the item. Maybe if they’re that concerned about inflation, they should read some Carl Menger and worry about where the money comes from as much as to where it’s going before people start stocking up on ectoplasms or whatever item is relatively scarce.