Guild Wars 2

In a game which is not intended for party play and which has allegedly a scaling system, I don’t see the reason for “group events”. Events should be events and nothing more. They will scale up and down depending on the number of players around.
Everything is fine in this game unless you find a group event you can’t pass over because there is no one around to help you.
All get more clear when you arrive to Orr trying to finish your storyline. Well getting to the last WP next to Arah dungeon.
IS it so hard to scale down a group event while there is only one player dong it?
Instead of 10 mobs you could have like 2 or 3. It is still challenging for one person but it is not humiliating as 10 foes beating you in 3 seconds with AoEs
I know about 1 year ago it was worse then it is now, but it is still not enjoyable experience putting aside the gruesome scenery for a 12 rated game

So, basically have nothing at all outside dungeons that “require” a group?

Sounds like you are looking for a single player game rather than an MMO.

Ronah.2869:

In a game which is not intended for party play and which has allegedly a scaling system, I don’t see the reason for “group events”.

The whole game is a party and everyone’s invited.

No, I’m serious. Arena Net specifically designed the game to work where players have to work together and sometimes stopping to party up with people (even in other games) would be too chaotic, so instead they just reward everyone for participating, whether you’re in a party or not.

Group events are designed in a way where you shouldn’t be able to take on the entire event by yourself. Unless you think you’d totally be able to march into the Temple of Grenth and win by yourself. <.<

Gray.1704:

Ronah.2869:

In a game which is not intended for party play and which has allegedly a scaling system, I don’t see the reason for “group events”.

The whole game is a party and everyone’s invited.

No, I’m serious. Arena Net specifically designed the game to work where players have to work together and sometimes stopping to party up with people (even in other games) would be too chaotic, so instead they just reward everyone for participating, whether you’re in a party or not.

Group events are designed in a way where you shouldn’t be able to take on the entire event by yourself. Unless you think you’d totally be able to march into the Temple of Grenth and win by yourself. <.<

And I should wait till other people show up? What do I do in the meantime? /sit /dance /sleep?

lordkrall.7241:

So, basically have nothing at all outside dungeons that “require” a group?

Sounds like you are looking for a single player game rather than an MMO.

Get rid of dungeons too.

AntiGw.9367:

lordkrall.7241:

So, basically have nothing at all outside dungeons that “require” a group?

Sounds like you are looking for a single player game rather than an MMO.

Get rid of dungeons too.

I dont play dungeons or PvP/WvW. The game for me is PvE and storyline. I have asked several times in map chat or in gw2lfg for people to join in the story missions but absolutely nobody has answered my request
This implies the game is a single player game for me and because of the false perspective/assumption about the playerbase/community as “good helpers” the game is not letting you finish your story unless you “wait for others” to help you “by mistake”.

^ Why would people join in on the personal story when every single part of it except the last mission is solo?

If i ask for no group events coz I cant beat them solo I get accused I want a single player not a MMO
If I say i want to do the story mission with people, I get replied they are meant for solo

can you people make up your minds?

As far as i am concerned, this is a single player MMO and the more you go further in the map, the more frustrating experience you get

I do believe that the personal story should have been completely soloable, I suppose I will eventually complete it when the dungeon finder comes out.

Generally though, I didn’t have any trouble on the personal story (Mouth of Zhaitan was a bit tough though), you just have to be more logical or re-think your tactics (revive allies, buff areas, kill enemies allies are fighting so that they are free to kill other enemies, observe mechanics such as bosses powering up by using items, etc.).

As for group events, especially in Orr or even low level areas in the early hours, they can be a pain. The easiest solution is to guest onto a server that is active in those areas. It is possible to complete some group events solo, mostly by kiting and dodging very carefully. I’ve done Svanir’s Dome meta on my dual pistol thief a number of times solo, but killing the champ takes a while.

I don’t think the answer really is to remove content, but add some that remedies the situation, such as incentives to do the Orr events (aside from karma exotics, such as a daily type system) or when few people are available for group events you get a buff to help you beat the event until more people arrive or you complete it.

Ronah is right, this game’s PvE is single player MMO, where developers expect that people work together like a team. But in a reality this game’s PvE is single player MMO where bunch of people are not working together as alike as team, they are just hacking and slashing everything…. in Queensdale. Other areas are totally deserted.

Every person who have ever worked in a team, knows that you can not build good team just a bunch of people, they have to work together years to start to get good results. Best team knows who is good in what area. They dont need to tell others that you should do things like this way or like that way. Good team is supporting each others and get best results when team start to be self-directed team.

In this kind of game what is made for single player MMO model you never get good team. Those who does not understand what team work means want that others are pinging their weapons or armors and they are dictating what kind of weapon or armor other team members should wear. That is not good team work, that is best way to kill good team.

Let’s think about personal stories, yes they are nearly all soloable, what makes more and more sensation of single player MMO game. Then there comes Arah, player need to kill Zhaitan… then game turns up group game. The real MMO where player should have around a group of players, they need a good team. How they can have good team around of them, when they think that this game is single player MMO. Players feel humiliated because they don’t even get the Arah Waypoint if it is contested. They try and try million different ways and they try to ask help and try and try again, they get already naked in there and finally they quit for trying. No one comes to help (well that’s show how good community this game have). Or maybe no one comes help because Orr is deserted. Guild mates dont have time to come help, because they are hacking and slashing mindless all moving parts in Queensdale, or they have to keep Boss train running.

So what does Group Events do in Single Player MMO? That is one simple question. They are not in PvE for making good teams, because when group event is gone, there is not anyone anymore around of you, everyone have run another part of map in their own issues. Players are acting like in single player games not like in MMO. So how an earth you are getting good team with you. Personal stories are nearly soloable and group events dont make good way to make teams. Guild members want to play their own game, what I do respect, they have to keep that boss train in running.

Dungeons, ok that is place where you might build good team, if the players are always same who are playing together in there. But if you try to ask dungeon players to help in some difficult part of game, the answer is like this: ”I can not come now, I have to make at least 10 gold today and I need to do these runs in here dungeon CoF p1. Then I will log off.” (Yeah, this is really great community).

Guesting, So players should start to jump to servers to servers check would even one of them have situation where Arah would not be uncontested. Unfortunately you can guesting only in 2 server at time.

So conclusion is this: This is single player MMO, where players are supposed to play together in a good team, even they are not playing togehter at all. This makes a great conflict within this game.

Eh I haven’t encountered a single group event in the game that I couldn’t solo /

So… you want to remove challenging group content from open world because… you don’t enjoy it? Here’s an idea you might find surprising: some people do enjoy it! If I had the choice, I’d remove all the boring enemies in open world and replace them with enemies more akin to veteran karka in Southsun. Good thing I don’t have the choice, because some people enjoy taking strolls around the zones without stressing themselves!

What is that I hear? You want world completion? Well, my friend, sometimes you have to work in order to get the rewards. Sometimes you can’t do it alone. Don’t demand for an easier world, get some friends to make it through with.

unknowable.8470:

Eh I haven’t encountered a single group event in the game that I couldn’t solo /

Can you solo the events to Arah? or any other temple in Orr for that matter?

Tuomir.1830:

So… you want to remove challenging group content from open world because… you don’t enjoy it? Here’s an idea you might find surprising: some people do enjoy it! If I had the choice, I’d remove all the boring enemies in open world and replace them with enemies more akin to veteran karka in Southsun. Good thing I don’t have the choice, because some people enjoy taking strolls around the zones without stressing themselves!

What is that I hear? You want world completion? Well, my friend, sometimes you have to work in order to get the rewards. Sometimes you can’t do it alone. Don’t demand for an easier world, get some friends to make it through with.

If you would do the game like Southsun Cove, you (and your friends) will be the only ones playing it. Too bad business model so you will probably get broke sooner then a blink
Map completion? What is that? A run in WvW waiting for your sever to conquer the castles so you get your PoI. Sorry, but making PvE maps scaling events not already scaled events for 5+ players is better idea than whet we have now.
I don’t have time to waste to solo kill a Champion. I don’t spend my whole day waiting if some one will willingly come to my aid.
This is bad design, not only in this game but in all other kill 10 rats MMOs

dont think so ronah

it’s an MMO which stands for Massive Multiplayer Online. This is the reason why events are in high levels areas not soloable

Group content really isnt a problem since you can guest, the real problem has had more to do with over achievers. You could simply run past the group events. As far as Arah story, it’s by far not a big deal, and there are out lets set up by players to assist with looking for group until an official one comes. The guild community I joined always helps, and I understand when they can’t, but they at least raincheck me.

As far as Arah Waypoint, the idea is, your group clears the way, so off course you should have a group to do story.

I believe that the promoting of grouping starts early at level 30, with the email to AC dungeon. The developer was smart in the beginning, stating they didn’t want level progression to feel like a grind, and that they wanted you too be able to get to end game fairly quickly.

thanks

Ronah.2869:

If i ask for no group events coz I cant beat them solo I get accused I want a single player not a MMO
If I say i want to do the story mission with people, I get replied they are meant for solo

can you people make up your minds?

As far as i am concerned, this is a single player MMO and the more you go further in the map, the more frustrating experience you get

First off, Group Events are large events out in the open world with powerful bosses requiring more than one person to take down.

Personal Story Missions are small individual instances designed to tell the story of your specific character.

Group Events are designed for groups, Personal Story Missions are designed for solo play. It looks like your problem is that you’re just trying to do everything backwards.

Also, why are you passively sitting around waiting for random people to show up to Group Events but actively asking in map chat for your story? Ask in map chat for the group missions, include a nearby waypoint and people will just show up, no waiting required.

1. Why not just join a friendly guild who’d be willing to help out?

2. [Group Events] tend to be the ones that require large amounts of people for a reason. Can you imagine a single player being able to take The Shatterer down?

3. A solution to the underlying issue of underpopulated areas should be sought. Not sticking a band-aid by making the game into a single player game.

I posted something similar to the OP. It’s hard to find people to do events pre-80. I just want to see the content, even if there is no reward.