Guild Wars 2

Sometimes when I’m walking around Lion’s Arch, I see people with sweet armor sets. While most people are friendly, sometimes when I whisper someone about their armor set, I get less than kind responses. Would it not be easier on everyone if there was an option to “inspect armor” when you right-click on someone’s character slate? You right click and then you see their gallery with all their armor and accessories and whatnot.

Well, if you want to creep on people’s build, just ask them. Be civil and courteous and people might just link their armor and tell you their build. Hell, they even tell you what dye they use. Kitten, please.

Inspect armor is slightly misleading, because as I read the title I was afraid of a dungeon request for showing out your gear (which will make a more heavy impact between speedrunner and newbies). The idea is okay, might be more a “show skin (names)” option to let the stats of a armor more on player side.

This idea was heavily and caustically debated months ago, with some religious fervor on both sides.

My understanding is that some of the concern on the “no inspect” side is that there are players who are trying to create a unique look and do not wish to be copied. The old platitude that “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery” does not typically hold true in real life.

That may have been why you ran into some surprising resistance.

I am firmly on the side of “no inspect” for multiple reasons (detailed in a very long thread) and hope that ANet continues to remain firm and not implement the ability so that players retain the choice to share data or not.

You can go to the mists to pvp lockers and preview almost every armor and weapon in game. So if the people won`t tell you just go there and search for the part.

Honestly, as I see it, players paid for the game with their hard earned cash. They are not entitled to tell you whats on their characters or account if the do not wish to do so. If you want to see what they have on their characters and accounts, then you should have paid for them for said player. That is just how I feel about it. Then again, when I am whispered, I just tell them when asked. But no one should be obligated.

My biggest thing for no inspect is it becomes a tool of stat snobs who think they know the best way to play each class. And if you aren’t geared the way they think you should be then they kick you from party.

I have run AC with guildies who thought my build at the time didn’t have enough survivability and we’re razzing for not using pure pvt gear. Et got to kohler and I was picking them all of the ground repeatedly. Not getting hit in this game is far more important than being able to take a hit.

Antway my point is that inspect trends to be abused as a way to disciminate when pugging. Just because they think they know how to play your class better

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

if people care enough about your gear they will just ask you to ping. How would inspect change anything?

maybe i’m not as cynical as the rest of you guys, but i think inspect would be a great tool for new players or anyone who hasn’t memorized every skin in the game.

Yes, people could deny you based on your gear after /inspecting you, but those same people make you ping you gear now. And since gear !== skill people who judge based on your gear are bitter and misguided and you are better off not playing with them in the first place.

If it’s that big an issue, i would say add a “block inspect” option. But that really wont change anything, because people that would make you /ping your gear or would kick you after /inspect would just outright kick you if your inspect is blocked. But none of that matters, because i don’t know why anyone would be so desperate to play with someone who is willing to boot you just because of your gear.

I’d just like to be able to inspect for skin. No stats. Most times I don’t have a problem whispering someone about their armor. But for those occassions when I get cricket chirps, it’d be nice.

Korossive.7085:

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

Somebody read the title and not the post …

While I don’t want my stats visible, I have no immediate problems with somebody seeing what gear skins I have (default or otherwise). There are times I would like to see some of the things folks are wearing, and most are kind enough to link or tell me. That being said, there’s enough websites out there that have them separated by race/armor class/faction/etc that I don’t need the inspect to get what I want, I just have to be less lazy about finding it, lol.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Korossive.7085:

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

Somebody read the title and not the post …

While I don’t want my stats visible, I have no immediate problems with somebody seeing what gear skins I have (default or otherwise). There are times I would like to see some of the things folks are wearing, and most are kind enough to link or tell me. That being said, there’s enough websites out there that have them separated by race/armor class/faction/etc that I don’t need the inspect to get what I want, I just have to be less lazy about finding it, lol.

if part of playing the game requires you to alt-tab, that’s not really good game design.

Some people are nice enough to message you their gear. Honestly, i haven’t really encountered anyone who’s told me to “eff off.” But more often then not, and especially in LA, you don’t receive a message back. Maybe because they’re afk, don’t speak english, couldn’t be bothered, etc.

An /inspect is by no means a necessary feature, especially when you can /ping everything. I would just hate for /inspect to not be added solely because some people were afraid of everyone suddenly turning into elitists.

Well it’s a matter of the way it’s implimented. AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect). I think if we had just a skins inspect, so I can see the cosmetics of what you’re wearing, that would be fine for most people. Personally, I don’t have to ALT+TAB, though, I play with two monitors and have laptop setup next to me. So it’s not that great of an inconvenience for me, but I see your point. Something basic would be fine here.

If they add an inspect feature, it better not tell people stats. Gear elitists won’t let anyone play.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

Except, that’s nothing like them telling us to not put on exotic aquabreathers. <_<;

Also, if a gear inspect feature comes out, good luck finding a group that has open parameters.

Sawnic.6795:

Scrambles.2604:

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

Except, that’s nothing like them telling us to not put on exotic aquabreathers. <_<;

Also, if a gear inspect feature comes out, good luck finding a group that has open parameters.

my point was, you can’t make an inference as to Anets motivations based on things that may not be in the game simply because time didn’t permit for it. If he’s got a quote or something describing the influence of /inspect on player choice, that would make more sense.

are you telling me if /inspect comes out, my guild wont invite me to groups? Regardless, i generally pug “lfm all classes welcome” and no one seems to care what gear you have.

If you want people to have specific gear in your group, that’s fine, but it’s your responsibility to say so in the LFG. This has nothing to do with /inspect.

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Sawnic.6795:

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

Except, that’s nothing like them telling us to not put on exotic aquabreathers. <_<;

Also, if a gear inspect feature comes out, good luck finding a group that has open parameters.

my point was, you can’t make an inference as to Anets motivations based on things that may not be in the game simply because time didn’t permit for it. If he’s got a quote or something describing the influence of /inspect on player choice, that would make more sense.

are you telling me if /inspect comes out, my guild wont invite me to groups? Regardless, i generally pug “lfm all classes welcome” and no one seems to care what gear you have.

If you want people to have specific gear in your group, that’s fine, but it’s your responsibility to say so in the LFG. This has nothing to do with /inspect.

So there is absolutely zero allowance for mods, incomplete combat logs to make it difficult to parse the information (regardless of countless requests to add more info), a complete lack of any kind of inspect feature in the game, no web-based functionality for the same (even though less developed games have them both), and we can’t infer that they don’t want these things and therefore don’t want us to be able to force people to play in a certain way? But yes, it was in a review of the game I read a while back. It’s the whole reason I waited a year before playing the game to see if they would impliment these things anyway and break the spirit of what they were trying to develop.

I’m an anti gear inspect person, but I’m pro style inspect. I’m going to say no, however, because we have the mists.

If you want to check out cool gear, just travel to the mists and go to the PvP Locker. From there you can check out what every set in the game looks like on your character.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

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Sawnic.6795:

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

Except, that’s nothing like them telling us to not put on exotic aquabreathers. <_<;

Also, if a gear inspect feature comes out, good luck finding a group that has open parameters.

my point was, you can’t make an inference as to Anets motivations based on things that may not be in the game simply because time didn’t permit for it. If he’s got a quote or something describing the influence of /inspect on player choice, that would make more sense.

are you telling me if /inspect comes out, my guild wont invite me to groups? Regardless, i generally pug “lfm all classes welcome” and no one seems to care what gear you have.

If you want people to have specific gear in your group, that’s fine, but it’s your responsibility to say so in the LFG. This has nothing to do with /inspect.

So there is absolutely zero allowance for mods, incomplete combat logs to make it difficult to parse the information (regardless of countless requests to add more info), a complete lack of any kind of inspect feature in the game, no web-based functionality for the same (even though less developed games have them both), and we can’t infer that they don’t want these things and therefore don’t want us to be able to force people to play in a certain way? But yes, it was in a review of the game I read a while back. It’s the whole reason I waited a year before playing the game to see if they would impliment these things anyway and break the spirit of what they were trying to develop.

the reason the combat log isn’t complete is simply because it is time consuming. This is an actual quote.

They have maintained the “play how you want” approach. /inspect doesn’t change this at all. Just because some troll that would currently make you ping your gear can see what your wearing doesn’t change the fact that you would prefer to avoid this type of player in the first place.

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Scrambles.2604:

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Um, as an MMO, the game has been in continued development for another year since release. “Time didn’t allow it,” is not a reasonable argument when they have obviously made no effort to correct the lapse.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Scrambles.2604:

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Um, as an MMO, the game has been in continued development for another year since release. “Time didn’t allow it,” is not a reasonable argument when they have obviously made no effort to correct the lapse.

Which would explain the wide variety of exotic aquabreathers in this game…unless of course you infer that they just want to discourage underwater gameplay, since they haven’t added them.

If you want another example, i will use Dueling. There are round-about ways to do it (sPvP), but they simply didn’t have the time or resources to implement it before launch. And since then, they have stated they would like to add dueling at some point.

Being an MMO has nothing to do with the time constraints a company faces for release dates. They have more flexibility, since it is an MMO, but a released MMO is not the final product.

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

But yes, it was in a review of the game I read a while back. It’s the whole reason I waited a year before playing the game to see if they would impliment these things anyway and break the spirit of what they were trying to develop.

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Notice how I said I did read it, over a year ago …

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Scrambles.2604:

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

But yes, it was in a review of the game I read a while back. It’s the whole reason I waited a year before playing the game to see if they would impliment these things anyway and break the spirit of what they were trying to develop.

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Notice how I said I did read it, over a year ago …

you really gotta be more specific. Did you read “Play how you want” or did you read “we purposly limited the combat log, left out inspect, and made it impossible to calculate DPS.”

I realize this is really nitpicky, but you’re the one that keeps going back to semantics while ignoring the overall point.

I have read nothing that has indicated they purposely left out the /inspect feature. Feel free to show me other wise. The fact that you can ping gear leads me to believe they don’t have an issue with people sharing what gear they’re wearing.

I don’t even know what “ping gear” means, but as I said I waited a year to play this game and this is my third month. As to the exact quote and an exact source I can’t quote it, which I know in the terms of the internet means I never saw it and it never happened. And that’s fine, as I can’t make the arguement completely sound and water-tight, I’ll just leave you all to thinking I’m a liar and wrong. Luckily, I couldn’t care less if I were right or wrong, I know what I read and have no way (or need) to prove it.

As to the overall point, I thought it was that we didn’t need a full-on inspect (or other features) because they tend to lean on the side of people making stat demands out of other players. I’ve played enough MMOs and been shunned from enough guilds/raids/groups because I refused to alter my spec to understand that theory-crafting and parsing logs leads to the elitist attitudes. It happens, it wouldn’t happen overnight, but it would happen. Then, “play how you want” would no longer be a part of the game, and we’d both be wrong.

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Sawnic.6795:

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

AreaNet has said they want to avoid players telling players how to play (hints no DPS and partially incomplete combat logs and the lack of a full inspect).

Did they say this, or did you infer based on what you put in parenthesis?

cuz that would be like saying they never put in exotic breathers because they didn’t want us to get too invested in underwater combat. I think a better explanation is they ran out of development time before the projected release date.

If you want to avoid people telling you how to play, create/join groups with open parameters, and avoid ambiguous pugs and zerker only groups. Problem solved, and you didn’t even have to stifle the UI.

Except, that’s nothing like them telling us to not put on exotic aquabreathers. &lt;_&lt;;

Also, if a gear inspect feature comes out, good luck finding a group that has open parameters.

my point was, you can’t make an inference as to Anets motivations based on things that may not be in the game simply because time didn’t permit for it. If he’s got a quote or something describing the influence of /inspect on player choice, that would make more sense.

are you telling me if /inspect comes out, my guild wont invite me to groups? Regardless, i generally pug "lfm all classes welcome" and no one seems to care what gear you have.

If you want people to have specific gear in your group, that’s fine, but it’s your responsibility to say so in the LFG. This has nothing to do with /inspect.

Actually, I wouldn’t be shocked if your guild, especially if it’s full of strangers, had the same rules that pugs would have. "If you don’t have this kind of gear you can’t come." Guess how they’d check/enforce it?

Same applies to the pugs in the LFG tool. You can clarify you want this kind of gear (which the vast majority will do, and you you know it) and will enforce it with said inspect feature.

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LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Scrambles.2604:

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

But yes, it was in a review of the game I read a while back. It’s the whole reason I waited a year before playing the game to see if they would impliment these things anyway and break the spirit of what they were trying to develop.

But mostly, don’t base your argument off inferences you made based on things that may have been left out of the game simply because time didn’t allow it.

Notice how I said I did read it, over a year ago ...

you really gotta be more specific. Did you read "Play how you want" or did you read "we purposly limited the combat log, left out inspect, and made it impossible to calculate DPS."

I realize this is really nitpicky, but you’re the one that keeps going back to semantics while ignoring the overall point.

I have read nothing that has indicated they purposely left out the /inspect feature. Feel free to show me other wise. The fact that you can ping gear leads me to believe they don’t have an issue with people sharing what gear they’re wearing.

Just clarifying, here. You can’t "ping" gear. It will not do anything if you put it on the minimap. You can link it, yeah, but that doesn’t really prove much of anything other than what the name, stats and skin of the item is that I decided to ctrl/shift click.

Unrelated fun fact, I used to have a zerker set identical to what I was wearing and I linked that when people wanted me to link my gear, instead of what I was actually wearing.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

I don’t even know what “ping gear” means, but as I said I waited a year to play this game and this is my third month. As to the exact quote and an exact source I can’t quote it, which I know in the terms of the internet means I never saw it and it never happened. And that’s fine, as I can’t make the arguement completely sound and water-tight, I’ll just leave you all to thinking I’m a liar and wrong. Luckily, I couldn’t care less if I were right or wrong, I know what I read and have no way (or need) to prove it.

As to the overall point, I thought it was that we didn’t need a full-on inspect (or other features) because they tend to lean on the side of people making stat demands out of other players. I’ve played enough MMOs and been shunned from enough guilds/raids/groups because I refused to alter my spec to understand that theory-crafting and parsing logs leads to the elitist attitudes. It happens, it wouldn’t happen overnight, but it would happen. Then, “play how you want” would no longer be a part of the game, and we’d both be wrong.

play how you want goes both ways. You can play how you want and other don’t have to be forced to play with you. This is why i have said over and over again all issues can be remedied by properly stating what type of group you are looking for in LFG.

You really can’t compare GW2 to other MMOs (cough WoW) because other MMOs are very gear dependent where as in this game, you can run naked as long as you have a good latency and can dodge appropriately.

Gear is just icing on the cake. Some people only like specific types of icing (zerker flavored) and should say so in LFG.

This idea that /inspect automatically equals gear discrimination and elitism is just asinine.

“Gear pinging” lets you shift+click your gear so it links to chat. Those that wish to discriminate against players or enforce their “Zerker only” group rules will currently ask you to “ping” you gear, so they have an idea of what gear you have.

This isn’t a bad thing at all. It is only bad for people that want to play with these kids but get denied the group because they aren’t outfitted to the groups specifications.

Like i said in the beginning, “play the way you want” doesn’t mean others should have to be forced to play with you, and vice versa.

The only conflicts that occur now is when players join groups that aren’t what they advertised (non-zerker joining zerker only) or when someone doesn’t properly advertise (you join a LFM only to find 4 zerkers who boot you for not zerking).

At least an /inspect feature would allow for the confrontations to happen at the beginning of the run (if theyre going to happen at all) rather than half way through or on a boss or something.

@ Sawnic

Just plain stating you will be denied groups because of /inspect is outlandish. Especially with no evidence to support this claim. And before you cite WoW i will say /inspect existed well before gearscore, and the game itself is an entirely different beast.

If you’re cheating gear pings with alternative gear sets your just reinforcing the need for /inspect. You may be able to run sufficiently with a zerker group as a non-zerker, but you’re doing so at the expense of people expecting 4 others in zerker gear. That’s pretty selfish.

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@ Sawnic

Just plain stating you will be denied groups because of /inspect is outlandish. Especially with no evidence to support his claim. And before you cite WoW i will say /inspect existed well before gearscore, and the game itself is an entirely different beast.

If you’re cheating gear pings with alternative gear sets your just reinforcing the need for /inspect. You may be able to run sufficiently with a zerker group as a non-zerker, but you’re doing so at the expense of people expecting 4 others in zerker gear. That’s pretty selfish.

Gear links, not pings.

And yes, I actually have an entire MMO’s worth of experience on that subject. It’s called "Guild Wars 2." Maybe you’ve heard of it? Well, I carry around a set of gear identical to mine I’m wearing as it is with stats people want to see so I won’t be ejected when I see they want a certain gear set. I can only imagine how hard it will be to get around that when they have an inspect feature. :v

Allowing /inspect will quite literally start another GearScore fiasco.

That’s a wonderfully civil way to look at it, except the internet is not a wonderfuly civil place. It never happens as simply as that. I work, have a family, and other responsibilities. I don’t ask to get in on the big stuff, just want to be a part of some of the things my guild does or my friends do. Where my friends would be happy to take me regardless of the gear I have, others are not. So let’s say I’m 80 but don’t have full ascended for some reason, and I only get to play an hour a day four days a week. It can take a full hour to clear 100% on a map zone, then I’m done for the night, have to wait until next time to get another map zone done. By the time I get into full ascended with the “proper” stats, the game mechanics could change and I’ll be excluded yet again. Stating what you want in LFG is great, and I support that. Being honest is amazing, and I support that. But if you and I are both the honest ones, then we’ll know that this attitude is not shared by most players of online games. I honestly don’t see the point in having the inspect mechanic, it doesn’t honestly help anything except to force people to be honest.

Sawnic.6795:

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@ Sawnic

Just plain stating you will be denied groups because of /inspect is outlandish. Especially with no evidence to support his claim. And before you cite WoW i will say /inspect existed well before gearscore, and the game itself is an entirely different beast.

If you’re cheating gear pings with alternative gear sets your just reinforcing the need for /inspect. You may be able to run sufficiently with a zerker group as a non-zerker, but you’re doing so at the expense of people expecting 4 others in zerker gear. That’s pretty selfish.

Gear links, not pings.

And yes, I actually have an entire MMO’s worth of experience on that subject. It’s called “Guild Wars 2.” Maybe you’ve heard of it? Well, I carry around a set of gear identical to mine I’m wearing as it is with stats people want to see so I won’t be ejected when I see they want a certain gear set. I can only imagine how hard it will be to get around that when they have an inspect feature. :v

Allowing /inspect will quite literally start another GearScore fiasco.

like i said, you’re being selfish if you’re cheating what the group is looking for.

Gearscore was used in WoW because certain content needed a certain stat level to complete. In other words, if your gear wasn’t good enough, you simply couldn’t compete/last in certain instances.

There is no content like this in GW2. Everything can be completed by anyone assuming you have a certain amount of skill.

At least you have a reasonable argument against /inspect. If /inspect was implemented you would no longer be able to troll zerker groups.

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Sawnic.6795:

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@ Sawnic

Just plain stating you will be denied groups because of /inspect is outlandish. Especially with no evidence to support his claim. And before you cite WoW i will say /inspect existed well before gearscore, and the game itself is an entirely different beast.

If you’re cheating gear pings with alternative gear sets your just reinforcing the need for /inspect. You may be able to run sufficiently with a zerker group as a non-zerker, but you’re doing so at the expense of people expecting 4 others in zerker gear. That’s pretty selfish.

Gear links, not pings.

And yes, I actually have an entire MMO’s worth of experience on that subject. It’s called "Guild Wars 2." Maybe you’ve heard of it? Well, I carry around a set of gear identical to mine I’m wearing as it is with stats people want to see so I won’t be ejected when I see they want a certain gear set. I can only imagine how hard it will be to get around that when they have an inspect feature. :v

Allowing /inspect will quite literally start another GearScore fiasco.

like i said, you’re being selfish if you’re cheating what the group is looking for.

Gearscore was used in WoW because certain content needed a certain stat level to complete. In other words, if your gear wasn’t good enough, you simply couldn’t compete/last in certain instances.

There is no content like this in GW2. Everything can be completed by anyone assuming you have a certain amount of skill.

At least you have a reasonable argument against /inspect. If /inspect was implemented you would no longer be able to troll zerker groups.

It’s not just zerker groups I use that on, but yeah it’s mostly zerker groups.

Also, if it really was as simple as how you’re making it sound, we wouldn’t have so many "Zerker or boot" parties.

Basically, my point is "My gear is my business. If I don’t want you to know what I’m wearing, that sounds like a problem. I play this game for me."

Having an /inspect feature puts more emphasis on gear than it does player skill, especially when it comes to efficiency, which is what the majority of those who runs dungeons a fourth, eighth, or twelfth time would overwhelmingly prefer. So it’s a little disingenuous to claim his statement is “asinine”.

However, slightly more on topic, I don’t think an inspect for cosmetics is a good thing either on similar principle. If you want to know, you should definitely ask. I don’t know who gets angry when you simply ask them what the name of their gear is, where they got it or if they could ping it for you, but that’s definitely got to be uncommon because it has no rational explanation I can think of, lol

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

That’s a wonderfully civil way to look at it, except the internet is not a wonderfuly civil place. It never happens as simply as that. I work, have a family, and other responsibilities. I don’t ask to get in on the big stuff, just want to be a part of some of the things my guild does or my friends do. Where my friends would be happy to take me regardless of the gear I have, others are not. So let’s say I’m 80 but don’t have full ascended for some reason, and I only get to play an hour a day four days a week. It can take a full hour to clear 100% on a map zone, then I’m done for the night, have to wait until next time to get another map zone done. By the time I get into full ascended with the “proper” stats, the game mechanics could change and I’ll be excluded yet again. Stating what you want in LFG is great, and I support that. Being honest is amazing, and I support that. But if you and I are both the honest ones, then we’ll know that this attitude is not shared by most players of online games. I honestly don’t see the point in having the inspect mechanic, it doesn’t honestly help anything except to force people to be honest.

speaking of civility, could you split you thoughts down from 1 giant paragraph. My poor eyes….not to mention it is hard to read what you are saying in one giant block.

I shouldn’t assume everyone will be genuinely civil and you shouldn’t assume everyone will be discriminatory and evil. I think a compromise would be to assume a certain % of players are decent and a certain % of players will be jerks.

that being said, do you think adding /inspect will suddenly unlock a neural pathway that will turn decent folk into jerks? Or do you think it’s more reasonable that the % of jerk players will use this tool to discriminate? Given that the % of jerk players can already make you ping your gear in order to discriminate, do you really think /inspect gives them more power?

Futhermore, why are you so determined to run with the type of people that would normally discriminate against you because of your gear? If anything /inspect would make it easier to avoid these types.

Serelisk.6573:

Having an /inspect feature puts more emphasis on gear than it does player skill, especially when it comes to efficiency, which is what the majority of those who runs dungeons a fourth, eighth, or twelfth time would overwhelmingly prefer. So it’s a little disingenuous to claim his statement is “asinine”.

However, slightly more on topic, I don’t think an inspect for cosmetics is a good thing either on similar principle. If you want to know, you should definitely ask. I don’t know who gets angry when you simply ask them what the name of their gear is, where they got it or if they could ping it for you, but that’s definitely got to be uncommon because it has no rational explanation I can think of, lol

No, it is still asinine, because all these problems can be solved by advertising for your group properly.

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Korossive.7085:

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

Somebody read the title and not the post …

Unfortunately for me I did waste time reading your post.

Learn what “ping gear” is before suggesting a feature to take it from someone without their choice. Learn what elitists will deduct instantly from that, stats or no, and most importantly learn some manners towards people here.

Good luck in your game – and sorry for the failure you proposed in this thread.

Korossive.7085:

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Korossive.7085:

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

Somebody read the title and not the post …

Unfortunately for me I did waste time reading your post.

Learn what “ping gear” is before suggesting a feature to take it from someone without their choice. Learn what elitists will deduct instantly from that, stats or no, and most importantly learn some manners towards people here.

Good luck in your game – and sorry for the failure you proposed in this thread.

the only difference between /inspect and gear ping is that people like Sawnic can abuse gear ping to sneak into groups.

I get that people don’t want to be forced to run zerker, but also understand, zerkers shouldn’t have to be forced to run with you either.

Scrambles.2604:

Why should only one group be catered to?

Because you can’t cater to both. Both situations have their downsides, but at least the current situation doesn’t encourage elitism.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

Why should only one group be catered to?

Because you can’t cater to both.

how do you figure? As long as you explicitly say what type of group you’re looking for in LFG all issues can be avoided. You can complete content whether your zerker or not zerker, and god-forbid, some people just prefer to play only with zerkers.

It’s play how you want, not play how these dudes on the forums think you play.

Personally, i pick “LFM all classes” and have never been kicked for not zerking.

Scrambles.2604:

It’s play how you want

Exactly..

Sawnic.6795:

And people should be allowed to make the groups they want, and they should be allowed to enforce the groups they want, but people such as yourself are the reason it shouldn’t be through a tool such as proposed here.

^This.

Korossive.7085:

LeeroyNimoy.1864:

Korossive.7085:

“Inspect Gear” goes the way of the “Damage Meter”.

Add it in the game and I leave.
I have a feeling I would be the only one.

Somebody read the title and not the post …

Unfortunately for me I did waste time reading your post.

Learn what “ping gear” is before suggesting a feature to take it from someone without their choice. Learn what elitists will deduct instantly from that, stats or no, and most importantly learn some manners towards people here.

Good luck in your game – and sorry for the failure you proposed in this thread.

If you had read the OP, you would have known it wasn’t mine …. thanks for playing troll and doing it poorly. You would also know, if you had read through the posts that actually are mine, that I stated I don’t mind the fact that I can simply look for the armor on countless cosmetic websites for the sets.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

It’s play how you want

Exactly..

Sawnic.6795:

And people should be allowed to make the groups they want, and they should be allowed to enforce the groups they want, but people such as yourself are the reason it shouldn’t be through a tool such as proposed here.

^This.

sorry, “play how you want, unless you want to play with 4 other zerkers…nothing i can do for you there”

edit, and what do you mean “^This?” I have said that i would like /inspect because i don’t have every skin in the game memorized and i think being forced to alt-tab to dulfy is poor game design. I am a nice player and i don’t care how you gear or if you repeatidly die in my groups.

Saying that i would abuse /inspect is ridiculous, and i have said nothing in this thread to suggest that.

Scrambles.2604:

unless you want to play with 4 other zerkers…nothing i can do for you there"

And there you have it, the difference between play how you want, and wanting to dictate the way how other people in your party play.

If you want to play with zerkers only, go ahead. But not at the cost of drastically increasing elitism.

Your analogy to running naked is completely without merit because it assumes that running with what is currently perceived as the most efficient gear for running dungeons and running with no gear have the same implications, which for obvious reasons, they don’t.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Serelisk.6573:

Your analogy to running naked is completely without merit because it assumes that running with what is currently perceived as the most efficient gear for running dungeons and running with no gear have the same implications, which for obvious reasons, they don’t.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

you save your men of straw. My point was, if you want to run a certain type of group, be it zerker or naked, you should be allowed to. And if you state in your LFG that you want a specific group, be it zerker or naked, you should be allowed to enforce those rules and kick people that don’t adhere.

How about this, why don’t we all just shut up because this isn’t going anywhere? Opinions are like farts, everyone has them and they all stink. I don’t like the inspect mechanic because it limits the things I can get into considering the amount of time I have to play in a week, some don’t like it because they don’t want to be told how to play and be limited in content because of that. Other want it because they don’t trust people who link their gear. There is no final answer to be had here, not until an AreaNet nameplate makes an appearance.

At the end of the day all the arguements made from one side can be applied to the other. If there is no inspect and the “all zerk” groups want to run and can’t trust Billy to link his real gear, then maybe they need to make some “all zerk” friends and only run with them? Or, if there is an inspect then I’ll just give up doing things until me and all the people I play with each have an 80 or two and we’ll make our own way through the game.

It’s whatever, honestly, but you can’t deny that having an inspect feature would be abused in the fashion we’ve been discussing. Just like damage meters would, they fall under the same basic realm of influence.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

unless you want to play with 4 other zerkers…nothing i can do for you there"

And there you have it, the difference between play how you want, and wanting to dictate the way how other people in your party play.

If you want to play with zerkers only, go ahead. But not at the cost of drastically increasing elitism.

again “play how you want, but only ways i agree with” That’s what i’m hearing.

Just because you disagree with using zerker gear doesn’t mean others shouldn’t be free to run zerker only groups with like-minded, consenting adults.

Scrambles.2604:

again “play how you want, but only ways i agree with” That’s what i’m hearing.

That’s because you only hear what you want to hear.

But for what it’s worth, I understand what you mean and yes, if you want to play with zerkers only you should be able to. I just don’t think inspect is the answer.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

again “play how you want, but only ways i agree with” That’s what i’m hearing.

That’s because you only hear what you want to hear.

so you don’t think people should be free to try to form specific groups? No one should be allowed to do all zerker runs and no one should be allowed to do all naked runs?

You can “dictate” whatever group you want. As long as it’s stated in the LFG it’s fair game.

I could “dictate” that my group be all zerker, and post “LFM all zerker.” What is wrong with that?

Scrambles.2604:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

again “play how you want, but only ways i agree with” That’s what i’m hearing.

That’s because you only hear what you want to hear.

so you don’t think people should be free to try to form specific groups? No one should be allowed to do all zerker runs and no one should be allowed to do all naked runs?

You can “dictate” whatever group you want. As long as it’s stated in the LFG it’s fair game.

I could “dictate” that my group be all zerker, and post “LFM all zerker.” What is wrong with that?

I changed my comment already.