Guild Wars 2

Now ppl can get in WvW when you build up a character without any limit.

Spy is a problem which make wvw lovers crazy, and low level noobies really playing irresponsible, and commanders can do nothing about these.

1, If Anet set some limit for exemple ‘’minimum 40 level to get in wvw’’ will decrease some spy(it’s hard to eliminate all spies. If they insist to spy, they have to level up in this server, and pay more to level up. He probably get some friend in this server by leveling up. maybe they dont want to spy their friend anymore.)

2, And WvW is not a place for you to level up.

Might as well add some sort of Gauntlet to allow an account access into WvW, but that would gate the entire content.

I’ve been in WvW on a level 1 character and had 2500 in every stat. Try getting that on a level 80.

mizzlelol.6159:

Now ppl can get in WvW when you build up a character without any limit.

Spy is a problem which make wvw lovers crazy, and low level noobies really playing irresponsible, and commanders can do nothing about these.

1, If Anet set some limit for exemple ‘’minimum 40 level to get in wvw’’ will decrease some spy(it’s hard to eliminate all spies. If they insist to spy, they have to level up in this server, and pay more to level up. He probably get some friend in this server by leveling up. maybe they dont want to spy their friend anymore.)

Who’s to say that the “spy” lacks an 80 of their own, though? Not to mention, that’d go completely counter to the concept of being able to play WvW and nothing but.
This also ignores the fact that some players may just have a second account, specifically for “business” in another server’s side of the war.

mizzlelol.6159:

2, And WvW is not a place for you to level up.

Tell that one to my last 4 level 80s. Truth is, a lot of hardcore WvWers level their alts that way. At the risk of sounding rude, neither you nor I have any real right to say something like that.

Worst part is, even spying does jack against the main two things that cause a “win” in WvW. Namely:

1. Coverage
2. Number of bodies Server “X” can toss against “Y” and “Z”

Lemme give some examples of this one, real fast. I got over to Ferguson’s back when DR was whipping both us and [Old] Kaineng. No spy operation could’ve fixed that one, let alone the T8 run of Kaineng/Ferg/Eredon. In both cases, the “lead” server had far too many bodies to spare.

I don’t think that limiting the WvW entrance to level 40+ would do the trick to stop the spying.
There does need to be something done about it though. A server has no countermeasure to a spy and this can cause a huge amount of frustration.

If a commander could elect to turn off the map and team chat of a single person on their own server while they had the commander label this would be an effective countermeasure.

mizzlelol.6159:

Now ppl can get in WvW when you build up a character without any limit.

Spy is a problem which make wvw lovers crazy, and low level noobies really playing irresponsible, and commanders can do nothing about these.

Nice attitude. I hope you are not on my server.

Sorry if i made it rude, i did not mean to say all low level ppl are noob.

mizzlelol.6159:

Sorry if i made it rude, i did not mean to say all low level ppl are noob.

First of all “noob” is considered derogatory by many players. As in, “LOL noob”.

Second of all new players have just as much right to play all the game content as you do. If you want to improve your game play when you are in WvW with new players perhaps offer advice and try to help them instead of complaining about how you don’t want them in the same part of the game you play.

Lastly, your idea is flawed. A new player can easily level up to 40 in a few hours with crafting. This will not change their skill level. A level 80 may have only been playing for a week and not know much about WvW. There are plenty of players that have been around for a while that still play irresponsibly.

Gating game content from a select group of players because you don’t like the way they play is a bad idea and selfish.

Level 80 is just 8 or so hours into the game with gold, and gems can be turned into gold. If someone wants to “spy” then level gating can not stop them.

Secondly WvW is a great place to level up, and being able to level up killing other players was an important selling point for many of the players I know.

Thirdly, if you know you are being spied upon, and think you know who they are, or how they are getting their information, then feed them false information.

JustTrogdor.7892:

mizzlelol.6159:

Sorry if i made it rude, i did not mean to say all low level ppl are noob.

First of all “noob” is considered derogatory by many players. As in, “LOL noob”.

Second of all new players have just as much right to play all the game content as you do. If you want to improve your game play when you are in WvW with new players perhaps offer advice and try to help them instead of complaining about how you don’t want them in the same part of the game you play.

Lastly, your idea is flawed. A new player can easily level up to 40 in a few hours with crafting. This will not change their skill level. A level 80 may have only been playing for a week and not know much about WvW. There are plenty of players that have been around for a while that still play irresponsibly.

Gating game content from a select group of players because you don’t like the way they play is a bad idea and selfish.

1, I apology for saying noob.
2, What’s the problem to set a limit? Does ’’limit’’ means unequal? What about let level 1 player use level 80’s armor? There is not exact equal or fair stuff in the world and in the game.
In dung, it has level requirement. Do you think players should have right to choose what level of dung to play too? Maybe you don’t like WoW, but in that game, the battle ground has level requirement. Which means my suggestion has precedent. If you think in other way, level requirement is a way that try to give players a equal chance to fight. Many level 80’s player tried so hard to level up and get good armors to fight in wvw, at same time, level 20’s players can also come in just make few damage to touch every foes, and also get loot and exp. But they probably dont even know what water field is, what blast is when commander ask for.

I don’t refuse that after maybe level 40, when they know more about their class, they can come in to learn how to fight in wvw. I think too that they should get some help from ’’old’’ players to learn wvw, but they should prepair themselves too. Why not help and care about each other instead of only ’’old’’ playsers help them? Is this fair?

Btw, no one can tell what ’’equal’’ and ’’fair’’ is exactly. This is philosopher’s job to discuss. But this is a game, Anet should consider most active players feeling, coz they are earning money from these players.

3, But in the craft leveling, you have your point. There are some ppl level up by crafting. But most of these ppl knows how to play this game atleast, or they know to check on internet how to play this game. A level limit can not stop all unskilled players, but give them some hardness or difficulty.

Lastly, if you did not play alot in wvw, you’d better not to criticize in this problem. You don’t know how much wvwer’s care about the maps. You don’t know how much time they spend on this. Commanders try to encourage ppl when they are few agains zergs. They try to lead ppl for more than 6 hours. They try to wake up at 1:00 to lead the night capping. Scouts sacrifice all their farming chance to do very boring jobb, to keep all towers safe, roaming groups try to escort dolies and camps no matter how many times they been farmed. Then when commander leading a small group try to take a keep when opponents zerg is away, some unskilled player attack the gate to alert opponents. And they tried so hard to build up golems, then you see a spy take the golem to jump down from hill, and you can do nothing.
There are many scouts and commanders feel upset after many bad things happened, so they left wvw. Thats why i want to post something try to make some changes. Look at your world bonus you get from wvw. Who care about wvwers? Who is selfish?

I know that my suggestion is not a very good way to change. But if you really care about these problems, plz don’t just criticize my suggestion, but help to give some better solutions. We are here to give suggestions, not to criticize each other.
Most ppl who come here to give suggestions do realize the shortness of the game, not just bored to post some random stuff.

your solutions will make more problems than they will fix.

mizzlelol.6159:

Now ppl can get in WvW when you build up a character without any limit.

Spy is a problem which make wvw lovers crazy, and low level noobies really playing irresponsible, and commanders can do nothing about these.

1, If Anet set some limit for exemple ‘’minimum 40 level to get in wvw’’ will decrease some spy(it’s hard to eliminate all spies. If they insist to spy, they have to level up in this server, and pay more to level up. He probably get some friend in this server by leveling up. maybe they dont want to spy their friend anymore.)

2, And WvW is not a place for you to level up.

1) If your goal is to limit spies, adding a min level will do next to nothing (if not nothing at all) to stop this. It’s very easy to transfer materials to an alt account and power lv them up to (in your case 40). All it will do is aggravate people on your own server who choose to experience/level up in WvW.

What would you do if I were to suggest you needed to be WvW lv 40+ before you were allowed in others Bl? WvW lv 80 before people allowed in EB? I’m guessing you would laugh at that suggestion, but it would deter “spying” more then just putting a min lv req…(please don’t take this is a suggestion from me…)

2)Who are you to tell/suggest to others that WvW is not a place for them to level. It’s an up-leveled zone, so anet obviously wanted this to happen.

mizzlelol.6159:

I know that my suggestion is not a very good way to change. But if you really care about these problems, plz don’t just criticize my suggestion, but help to give some better solutions. We are here to give suggestions, not to criticize each other.
Most ppl who come here to give suggestions do realize the shortness of the game, not just bored to post some random stuff.

This place is to offer suggestions, and also to criticize others suggestions. If they didn’t want that, then this forum would be locked from replying. Your suggestions aren’t that good, and people are telling you as much. It’s not our fault if you can’t take a little bit of criticism. If we had better ideas, I’m sure we would mention them, but as it stands, your suggestions would do all kinds of harm, with no good.

This is all (of course) IMO.

Who are you to say that “spying” in WvW is not a legitimate tactic?

well wvw is not exactly noob friendly at all, so once we have our free trials they newbies will have a very hard time in wvw. then anet askes them about their experience and thats how certain stuff could get nerfed because of feedbacks from people like that.
and yes those free trials create a lot of problems with spies and sabotage(like golem suicides or hiring merchants when keep is under attack). so yeah something has to be done.

maybe make it so when u join a server u could have a 7 day wait till u are allowed to join wvw. but making it a level limit is a problem. what if i wanna make a new alt and then i am forced to do pve to level it to 40…..nahhh

Olba.5376:

Who are you to say that “spying” in WvW is not a legitimate tactic?

actually yes it is a tactic, but a pretty lame one.imo

selan.8354:

Olba.5376:

Who are you to say that “spying” in WvW is not a legitimate tactic?

actually yes it is a tactic, but a pretty lame one.imo

Yeah well golem rushing is also often considered a lame tactic. Wanna implement a counter that prevents any server from having more than X golems spawned on any WvW map at the same time?

Oh and using tons of ACs is also considered a lame tactic. Wanna limit the amount of ACs? What about using ACs outside of towers/keeps/SM?

Olba.5376:

Oh and using tons of ACs is also considered a lame tactic. Wanna limit the amount of ACs? What about using ACs outside of towers/keeps/SM?

You mean like… the siege cap?…

I usually level my alts in WvW, so I have to say no to this. Don’t worry, I might not be a pro but I know what I am doing, even when with a low lvl character. TC’s commanders never cared much if the zerg had multiple low levels, or at least the ones that I run with never did. We have a lot of fun, it is much better than farming events around the world or exploring, specially since I have 100% of map completion with my main already.

You see, it is my favourite way of leveling. I would be really upset if that was taken away from me. Granted, I am out of character slots right now and I just finished leveling my latest alt, but I might buy another slot someday.

Olba.5376:

selan.8354:

Olba.5376:

Who are you to say that “spying” in WvW is not a legitimate tactic?

actually yes it is a tactic, but a pretty lame one.imo

Yeah well golem rushing is also often considered a lame tactic. Wanna implement a counter that prevents any server from having more than X golems spawned on any WvW map at the same time?

Oh and using tons of ACs is also considered a lame tactic. Wanna limit the amount of ACs? What about using ACs outside of towers/keeps/SM?

I would actually love if there where random rulesets for the WvW match’s where some types of siege where not allowed to be built that week. I could see this as a balancing tool as well. Facing a much lower ranked server this week? expect to have limited siege while they get all the toys.

The information that spies get is up to you, and the rest of your server. While you can’t stop them from taking their character there and watching, you can have an out of game voice chat that is more restricted.

You may also want to consider running multiple zergs on the same map. Some with Commander icons and some without Commander icons. Have your own loyal spotters. Praise the mini groups that take the supply camps and kill the enemy stragglers, get them in the information loop.

Olba.5376:

Who are you to say that “spying” in WvW is not a legitimate tactic?

And don’t forget about the raid reset portal merchants! You don’t even need a second account for that!

How about forbidden to lvl 80 character so elitist don’t spoil the fun…

If I’d really said what I’m currently aching to post, I’d be rightfully infracted for it.

You know what I hate? People that think they “own” the WvW servers and can choose who is allowed to play or not. Ridiculous. Especially true on top tier servers where commanders complain constantly about under leveled players.

1. What’s to stop a level 40+ from spying?

2. If WvW wasn’t the place to level up, everyone would automatically be 80, with everything unlocked, and there wouldn’t be any XP, level appropriate loot drops or armour / weapons for lower level players.