Guild Wars 2

I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again now.

If you want me to actually buy dyes from the gem store two things need to happen.
1)They need to be account bound.
2)No more random mystery packs.

Do these two things and I’ll buy some gems because I want all the colors and I’m getting impatient trying to get them on just 3 characters let alone everyone I ever make…

I couldnt agree more and multiples dyes could be given back to those with multiple dyes on each account. This totally makes sense.

Dye account based

Well, Cyrstin Cox, the well loved monetization manager of the gem store, said it was about character progression, not money.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/blog/comments/dye-unlocking-now-character-based
Cyrstin Cox: There was a time when the dye system was very different and at that time dye unlocks were account based, but we have since changed the dyes system and we really feel that character based is the right way to go and the system we have now is the best one for the game.
Customized dye should be something that denotes your characters progress, like better looking, more elaborate gear. As you spend more time on your character, they grow and gain access to more customization options. If we make dyes account based, this progression will only happen on one character. We wanted character customization to remain tied to the character but we felt that one-time-use dyes discouraged players from customizing as often as they would like, that is how we arrived at the current system.

There are 400 dyes in the game, we do not think of dyes as something that a character should unlock all of, it is not meant to be a collection feature. Each character should have a unique palette and we have made enough colors to make this possible. Dyes come from world drops, rewards, crafting, the Mystic Forge, and the Gem Store and we expect that over the life of a character you will collect a lot of them.

We are still developing and the dye system will continue to receive attention and improvements, but changing it to an account based system is not something we are considering right now.

If you can’t trust Ms. Cox when she says its not about money, who can you trust?

/sarcasm

That post was a year ago. Many things have changed since then. This one should too.

TooBz.3065:

That post was a year ago. Many things have changed since then. This one should too.

ANet’s stance on “each character is their own progression” hasn’t changed though & that would need to change for this to happen.

with the new account wallet streamlining and promoting gameplay of alts, this seems like the next logical step.

this is also the main reason I’ve never invested in expensive/rare dyes, even if i like them, because I swap between my level 80 chars often, depending on what gameplay style I want.

also I would suggest (a small thing but still), once you have unlocked dyes, allow these in the new character creation/makeover. (not sure if they appear in makeover kit currently, never used it)

tldr; but i’m agreeing just with the title

I hereby agree. The fact that dyes are character-bound deters me from buying any.

Actually, I can agree with the idea of dyes being a sign of individual character progression.

…IF the characters actually found more rare and interesting colors as they progressed. But that doesn’t seem to be the case, does it? My level 80 has gotten more duplicates of colors than I care to mention, even from buying them in the shops. If the concept is “dyes being a sign of character progression”, shouldn’t there be some sort of algorithm in place to reduce the chances of getting the same color again and again combined with increasing the chance per level of finding rare or higher level dyes? …Doesn’t feel like there is.

My character is max level, and I don’t even HAVE any of the really rare colors! When do I “progress” enough to find better ones? After I’ve completed every achievement, defeated every boss and dungeon and cleared every new patch of content?

I was about to make a forum thread that just says “make dyes account bound.”
but then I found this.

What about this idea.

Lions arch should have had a dye merchant to sell dye for like common dye for 1s, uncommon for 10s, rare for 20s, fixed price. and remove them from the droptable altogether. then everyone can easily get the colors they want.
soulbond on aquire

Amanda Whitemoon.6173:

What about this idea.

Lions arch should have had a dye merchant to sell dye for like common dye for 1s, uncommon for 10s, rare for 20s, fixed price. and remove them from the droptable altogether. then everyone can easily get the colors they want.
soulbond on aquire

Does this suggestion mean no more unidentified dyes? How would this effect the people trying to get the legendary staff, Bifrost. They need 250 unidentified dyes.

I totally agree! account wide dyes +1

DracosBlackwing.3174:

shouldn’t there be some sort of algorithm in place to reduce the chances of getting the same color again and again combined with increasing the chance per level of finding rare or higher level dyes?

applying a permanent DR to getting the same dyes again sounds like a brilliant suggestion, and would definitely promote more players to buy gems to get dye packs, or would it?

more money for anet, more happy players feeling real progression, everyone’s a winner.. aren’t they?

Sadly the answer is no, because of people who will exploit this for financial gain.

if you have unlocked all the crappy cheap dyes, the odds of you getting higher level dyes increases, and so do your profits, from selling them instead of using them.

but definitely having them account bound is a good idea, can’t see a single downside to this at all.

Agreed. I don’t really get the attitude of dyes not being collectibles. They seem perfectly suitable for it and acknowledging them as collectible seems like it’d be more profitable for the gem store.

Please. I want that to happen. (I’m referring to the thread title.)

No. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way. Never. It is WAY too late in the game to do that now.

I have tons of dyes on each of 8 characters. Many, many duplicates. Giving me the duplicates back to sell on the TP is impossible… I don’t have the storage space for even a fraction of them. And I would never come close to making back the money I spent on the ones that were purchased, since there would be less demand.

There are TONS if super-cheap dyes. I’m talking less than 1 silver piece each. Everyone can get plenty of acceptable colors for multiple characters without breaking the bank. And after nearly a year, you should have tons of dyes from drops too, without having spent a penny in the Trading Post.

It’s too late, baby, now it’s too late.

What about releasing account-wide dye? And have both. I’d like to get Celestial some day, but don’t want to spend the gold on dye for just one character. Or at least just start making the drops account-wide instead of character-bound.

As listed in my suggestions:

• Account unlocked Dyes
• New dyes that have textures
• or special effects (tormented, rainbow shine, chrome, etc)

Definitely agree. Account-wide dyes ftw.

I support this.

With character bound dye, I don’t feel progression. I’m feeling being forced to choose if I want to have this dye on this character or a another. And I’m forced to sell it, because dyes can not be stored in the bank-collectables tab. So I’m forced to sell it, if I do not want it or if I’m unsure.

With account bound all this would be gone. I don’t have to worry if I unlock a dye for the wrong character. I unlock it and access it with all my characters.
I’m no longer forced to do things.

Yup, with 16 characters there is no point for me to ever buy dyes. If they were account bound I would most certainly invest in some of the nicer ones. But for now… I buy nothing.

Account bound dyes +1 from me

Each character having their own progression got thrown out the window when they made the wallet that combines almost everything else for an account. Would be nice has account wide dyes or atleast rare dyes.

I would like LOTS of things to be account bound instead of soulbound. (Soulbound fireworks? Get real!) But changing now would mean I threw a boatload of money away on every duplicate dye in my account. It would mean a substantial loss of gold for me. Please tell me how you could institute account bound dyes without making a lot of people feel cheated.

Keep in mind: I do not have space in my inventory to be “refunded” all of my duplicate dyes. And even if I did, I could not sell them for anywhere close to what I paid for them (since people would only need ONE of each dye, and the demand would be lower.)

I’d love to see identified dyes become account bound, because prices of some dyes are ridiculous and I’d hate to buy it for all my characters. Also I think it would be awesome if we could dye our weapons, or at least some parts of them. It would create more diversity and personality imo.

It was a shame that account bound dye unlocks did not make it in the actual game. I for one refuse to unlock dyes on any character but my main. And no thought on my mind goes towards buying any from the gem store. If they were to be account bound I would most certainly reconsider not buying any gems as I might use them for future alts.

That said; /signed

@ Hamfast; how about getting dye refunds through the ingame mail system? You would be able to sell them at your earliest convenience or do whatever you want with them.

Hamfast.8719:

No. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way. Never. It is WAY too late in the game to do that now.

I have tons of dyes on each of 8 characters. Many, many duplicates. Giving me the duplicates back to sell on the TP is impossible… I don’t have the storage space for even a fraction of them. And I would never come close to making back the money I spent on the ones that were purchased, since there would be less demand.

There are TONS if super-cheap dyes. I’m talking less than 1 silver piece each. Everyone can get plenty of acceptable colors for multiple characters without breaking the bank. And after nearly a year, you should have tons of dyes from drops too, without having spent a penny in the Trading Post.

It’s too late, baby, now it’s too late.

Carole King quote aside. They could also just give you gold based on the current market value (ha!). Also, I like the idea of in game mail delivering the dyes.

Also, not to sound like I’m insensitive to your position, ANet has in the past completely kittened members of the community with nerfs and other fixes.

This is coming from a former glamour mesmer who has a lot of stuff wasted with the confusion nerf.

I think ANet made a huge mistake on the dye front.

Hamfast.8719:

Please tell me how you could institute account bound dyes without making a lot of people feel cheated.

Keep in mind: I do not have space in my inventory to be “refunded” all of my duplicate dyes. And even if I did, I could not sell them for anywhere close to what I paid for them (since people would only need ONE of each dye, and the demand would be lower.)

refund duplicate dyes with an “unidentified (color) dye” relating to that dye.
(ie, if you had a red type of dye, get a unidentified red dye back)
this way it would have less of an impact to the value of dyes on the trading post if/when this is ever implemented, as some dyes will be more popular than others and this would stop them being over supplied (value decrease)

It will not happen.
They would have to refund all the dyes we bought in double, that would mean well over 200 gold for me.

I agree, i think everyone agrees. The question is if ArenaNet and NcSoft agrees and they probably don’t because they sell dyes in the gemstore and that is a cashprofit for both ArenaNet and NcSoft.

I think you can forget account wide dyes.