I agree that the RNG is a kitten and Anet’s obsession with nerfing anything that can make you money or t6 mats, except CoF path1, is slowly driving my interest in the game into the ground. I like the game, I spent 1000 hrs on it so far but I am at the point now where I don’t see the point of playing it anymore cause everything I do gets rewarded with kitten that ain’t worth the time I put into it. Who the heck wants to farm grind the same dungeon over and over and over just to be able to purchase stuff that you should be able to drop. Patiently waiting out the release of another great MMO.
Wait farming is driving your interest in the game to the ground or the lack of? You can stop farm you know and try other things. By the sound of it if you got every thing you wanted off the first run of things you would of quit the game already because you would of had every thing.
This is a major problem with the player base we have been trained to work for the next thing to the point where skins have become the next thing skins that where made to take months to get. Once we work out that we cant get them in a week we rage quit. This game is not about progression or should i say meaningful progression its about playing with other ppl to do something. This IS what a sand box game does and other up and coming mmorpg will be like this or the old mmorpg way of endless progression.I don’t want to farm, I am being forced to to pay for all the Gold sinks in WvW. When I lead I easily spend 3-4 g a night in siege and upgrades. I used to have some good money making spots but they all got nerfed. I’m down to running CoF 1 cause that is the only thing that is worth the time versus reward. I got 2 alts on the way up to 80 and no kittening mats to craft their armor cause 1. they don’t kittening drop worth kitten 2. the ones I do drop I have to sell to pay for WvW. I couldn’t care less about the skins. Temple Karma gear looks just fine for me I just want to be able to equip my Alts with decent gear and have enough to pay for WvW without wasting hours upon hours farming the kittentiest dungeon run in all the game.
You alone should not be upgrading every thing. It sounds like your world (unknowingly) taking advantages of you. Ask some other ppl to foot the bill or at least ask your guild to help you pay for some upgrades if your guild is a wvw one.
I agree that the RNG is a kitten and Anet’s obsession with nerfing anything that can make you money or t6 mats, except CoF path1, is slowly driving my interest in the game into the ground. I like the game, I spent 1000 hrs on it so far but I am at the point now where I don’t see the point of playing it anymore cause everything I do gets rewarded with kitten that ain’t worth the time I put into it. Who the heck wants to farm grind the same dungeon over and over and over just to be able to purchase stuff that you should be able to drop. Patiently waiting out the release of another great MMO.
Wait farming is driving your interest in the game to the ground or the lack of? You can stop farm you know and try other things. By the sound of it if you got every thing you wanted off the first run of things you would of quit the game already because you would of had every thing.
This is a major problem with the player base we have been trained to work for the next thing to the point where skins have become the next thing skins that where made to take months to get. Once we work out that we cant get them in a week we rage quit. This game is not about progression or should i say meaningful progression its about playing with other ppl to do something. This IS what a sand box game does and other up and coming mmorpg will be like this or the old mmorpg way of endless progression.I don’t want to farm, I am being forced to to pay for all the Gold sinks in WvW. When I lead I easily spend 3-4 g a night in siege and upgrades. I used to have some good money making spots but they all got nerfed. I’m down to running CoF 1 cause that is the only thing that is worth the time versus reward. I got 2 alts on the way up to 80 and no kittening mats to craft their armor cause 1. they don’t kittening drop worth kitten 2. the ones I do drop I have to sell to pay for WvW. I couldn’t care less about the skins. Temple Karma gear looks just fine for me I just want to be able to equip my Alts with decent gear and have enough to pay for WvW without wasting hours upon hours farming the kittentiest dungeon run in all the game.
You alone should not be upgrading every thing. It sounds like your world (unknowingly) taking advantages of you. Ask some other ppl to foot the bill or at least ask your guild to help you pay for some upgrades if your guild is a wvw one.
Come to NSP and try to get someone to upgrade something or put down a piece of siege.. Most of the server is preoccupied with their precious legendaries but that is beside the point. The point is that we are slowly getting all gold making options taken away cause some people like to farm and Anet doesn’t want us too.
I agree that the RNG is a kitten and Anet’s obsession with nerfing anything that can make you money or t6 mats, except CoF path1, is slowly driving my interest in the game into the ground. I like the game, I spent 1000 hrs on it so far but I am at the point now where I don’t see the point of playing it anymore cause everything I do gets rewarded with kitten that ain’t worth the time I put into it. Who the heck wants to farm grind the same dungeon over and over and over just to be able to purchase stuff that you should be able to drop. Patiently waiting out the release of another great MMO.
Wait farming is driving your interest in the game to the ground or the lack of? You can stop farm you know and try other things. By the sound of it if you got every thing you wanted off the first run of things you would of quit the game already because you would of had every thing.
This is a major problem with the player base we have been trained to work for the next thing to the point where skins have become the next thing skins that where made to take months to get. Once we work out that we cant get them in a week we rage quit. This game is not about progression or should i say meaningful progression its about playing with other ppl to do something. This IS what a sand box game does and other up and coming mmorpg will be like this or the old mmorpg way of endless progression.I don’t want to farm, I am being forced to to pay for all the Gold sinks in WvW. When I lead I easily spend 3-4 g a night in siege and upgrades. I used to have some good money making spots but they all got nerfed. I’m down to running CoF 1 cause that is the only thing that is worth the time versus reward. I got 2 alts on the way up to 80 and no kittening mats to craft their armor cause 1. they don’t kittening drop worth kitten 2. the ones I do drop I have to sell to pay for WvW. I couldn’t care less about the skins. Temple Karma gear looks just fine for me I just want to be able to equip my Alts with decent gear and have enough to pay for WvW without wasting hours upon hours farming the kittentiest dungeon run in all the game.
You alone should not be upgrading every thing. It sounds like your world (unknowingly) taking advantages of you. Ask some other ppl to foot the bill or at least ask your guild to help you pay for some upgrades if your guild is a wvw one.
Come to NSP and try to get someone to upgrade something or put down a piece of siege.. Most of the server is preoccupied with their precious legendaries but that is beside the point. The point is that we are slowly getting all gold making options taken away cause some people like to farm and Anet doesn’t want us too.
When one person try to pay for a war that one person will spend every thing they have to do so. That how it is when a nation goes to war alone why should it be different in a game?
If it has “GW2 had a lot of potential.” then saying “Unfortunately, many of the flaws present in the fundamental mechanics are now so entrenched that it’s unlikely we’ll see the significant improvements necessary for this game to be anything more than just another average MMO.” comply contender your first statement or your first statement contradict the 2ed statement. It cant be both. Do you even understand what potential and fundamental means? If your going with the 2ed of your 2 part view point then what flaws are you talking about what fundamental mechanics? Its one thing to just general say “flawed fundamental mechanics” with out saying what your talking about but when you point to some things then we can see where your coming from.
Potential extends in many directions, including before fundamental mechanics were concretely designed, while fundamental mechanics doesn’t mean what you think it means. Instead of trying to discredit me by imputing definitions to my words that I don’t hold, why don’t you find out what I mean before passing judgment.
Now for a few of the problems. (TL;DR version below.)
Strategic Depth
I’ve talked about these before, as many others have. I’ve even seen you post in threads that discuss these issues. Here is one by Ensign, a highly respected GW1 player, that addresses the issue of strategic depth.
GW2 could have used the potential of its classes/system/world/lore to make this kind of strategically satisfying gameplay. Instead, it produced a boring combat system that is flawed in ways that seem exceptionally difficult to salvage—it would take a significant redesign of many (most? all?) skills and classes. How do you move from a damage/damage/damage based play to buff/debuff, condition/cleanse gameplay given the current class design, available skill sets and under designed abilities?
WvW
WvW had a lot of potential. It had the right idea, yet the implementation was poor, leading to stale, repetitive gameplay without strategic significance, meaningful rewards (the new skill system is a fine example of going in the wrong direction) or balanced play. I’m on Tarnished Coast, a second tier server, although these complaints have been leveled by others on various top servers. If the WvW gameplay isn’t satisfying near or at the top, something is fundamentally wrong with how it is designed. The potential was wasted, and what’s needed to change it would take a lot of work and effort—the kind ANet has expressed little to no interest in pursuing.
Crafting
Or consider crafting. People complain that you can’t make money with it. While they’re technically incorrect, the number of profitable crafting opportunities is very low. How could you make crafting both fun and meaningful in GW2? It’s another area of potential that was wasted and the kinds of changes necessary to make it meaningful seem almost impossible to do at this stage. You’d need to change large portions of the economy and add certain recipes to give people the necessary incentives to invest a lot of time and money into crafting.
Or, to use a main example from this thread, look at RNG. Consider what would be necessary to meaningfully improve this system!
ANet hasn’t done itself any favors either. For example, CoF1 is introducing a lot of new gold into the system, yet nerfing it would now cause the economy to crash, which is why I suspect they haven’t done it yet. They need to increase drop rates of key materials, but that also presents its own set of problems. It’s not clear they have a solid grasp on the direction they need to go to make substantial improvements to this game; instead, they produce mediocre fixes that merely exacerbate the situation.
GW2 has some phenomenal features. For example, the graphics are great. Dodging is a fun mechanic. Down leveling is genius. Some of the zones are gorgeous and a delight to explore. Yet key areas are sorely lacking, preventing long-term enjoyment of this game.
TL;DR version:
I hope I’m wrong. I’d love to come back in six months to a year and declare, “I was completely wrong, and I can’t wait to fire up this game and play it for years to come.” But hope is insufficient to overcome what seem to be serious deficiencies in game’s current state.
Exactly. Guild Wars HAD huge potential. Unfortunately, they never got implemented well. I seriously doubt that they ever will be – but apparently I am just not giving them enough time.
@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.
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@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.
No, it’s potential is gone because in the last 5+ months the changes are doing not much more than pushing people towards the cash shop. It is clear the developers intentions are maximizing profitability instead of making the game better.
@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.No, it’s potential is gone because in the last 5+ months the changes are doing not much more than pushing people towards the cash shop. It is clear the developers intentions are maximizing profitability instead of making the game better.
No not at all we see good update for games that have been out for 2 years + that brings a lot of ppl back and these are games that are payed to play (ff11) this game is not pay to play its a buy once to play so there is always time for ppl to come back after they add in new things. Unless you think Anet going to give up the gaming business? Or is some very twisted logic your hoping they start working on GW1.5 or redo GW1 or even a GW3?
Side note i though you where playing neverwinter now is it that “good” that you have time to come on these forums to chat down GW2 and talk about all the evils of Anet?
@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.No, it’s potential is gone because in the last 5+ months the changes are doing not much more than pushing people towards the cash shop. It is clear the developers intentions are maximizing profitability instead of making the game better.
No not at all we see good update for games that have been out for 2 years + that brings a lot of ppl back and these are games that are payed to play (ff11) this game is not pay to play its a buy once to play so there is always time for ppl to come back after they add in new things. Unless you think Anet going to give up the gaming business? Or is some very twisted logic your hoping they start working on GW1.5 or redo GW1 or even a GW3?
Side note i though you where playing neverwinter now is it that “good” that you have time to come on these forums to chat down GW2 and talk about all the evils of Anet?
Oh I find it entertaining to discuss the downfalls of GW2. Plus, I would hate for interested buyers to not get both sides of the story.
Sorry, does that bother you?
@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.No, it’s potential is gone because in the last 5+ months the changes are doing not much more than pushing people towards the cash shop. It is clear the developers intentions are maximizing profitability instead of making the game better.
No not at all we see good update for games that have been out for 2 years + that brings a lot of ppl back and these are games that are payed to play (ff11) this game is not pay to play its a buy once to play so there is always time for ppl to come back after they add in new things. Unless you think Anet going to give up the gaming business? Or is some very twisted logic your hoping they start working on GW1.5 or redo GW1 or even a GW3?
Side note i though you where playing neverwinter now is it that “good” that you have time to come on these forums to chat down GW2 and talk about all the evils of Anet?
Oh I find it entertaining to discuss the downfalls of GW2. Plus, I would hate for interested buyers to not get both sides of the story.
Sorry, does that bother you?
I think that the def of a hate monger. This is just a game and it will have its up and down but if your blind by your own views to the point of not being to see any one else is your no longer discussing any thing.
This game does have way too much basis on RNG. It’s ridiculous how much is involved. I honestly thought MMOs had moved past this, but every time I log into GW2 I suddenly have flashbacks of dungeon runs in Vanilla WoW trying to get that last piece of t1 for my priest by running over… and over… and over… and those aren’t good memories :-P
This person brings up a point which I believe to be very poignant.
@ clay.7849
Then it still has huge potential its just time your unwilling to give it.
And that what GW2 has a lot of because they do not charges ppl to play it.No, it’s potential is gone because in the last 5+ months the changes are doing not much more than pushing people towards the cash shop. It is clear the developers intentions are maximizing profitability instead of making the game better.
No not at all we see good update for games that have been out for 2 years + that brings a lot of ppl back and these are games that are payed to play (ff11) this game is not pay to play its a buy once to play so there is always time for ppl to come back after they add in new things. Unless you think Anet going to give up the gaming business? Or is some very twisted logic your hoping they start working on GW1.5 or redo GW1 or even a GW3?
Side note i though you where playing neverwinter now is it that “good” that you have time to come on these forums to chat down GW2 and talk about all the evils of Anet?
Oh I find it entertaining to discuss the downfalls of GW2. Plus, I would hate for interested buyers to not get both sides of the story.
Sorry, does that bother you?
I think that the def of a hate monger. This is just a game and it will have its up and down but if your blind by your own views to the point of not being to see any one else is your no longer discussing any thing.
In your opinion. Actually it’s quite the opposite, but I know you prefer the ad hominem approach. Anything other than blind fanboyism is hate mongering.
GW2 falls victim to so many bad habits that I think many fail to realize how poorly developed and lazy these habits are. It is quite apparent that people like bad games, bad movies, bad books, etc. However, there is always a generally accepted view of things that make these things better than others. You don’t have to agree with me, but there is no hate mongering here, just pointing out that GW2 actually embraces many of the things that are associated with lazy and poor game design.
I know you won’t agree, but it is true. Just because you like it doesn’t mean it is good, just like if you like soap operas or nickel back doesn’t make them good either.
Ok, so, I thought I’d throw some up beat stuff into the mix.
I’m loving the game, I’m not bored with it at all, even though I really don’t have a lot of motivation to actively do stuff. I spend about half an hour to an hour in the game on any given day. All I do is play my Ranger at the end of Hirathi Hinterlands. I complete the last event chain for my dailies each day. It’s really amazing how many daily categories you can complete just by doing that chain. It’s also working me very effectively toward my monthly.
All I’m doing is working up laurels to “farm” teir 6 mats to get Vicious Fangs so I can eventually get the ascended quiver for my ranger. Once I have that maybe I’ll level my other 7 characters to 80, I don’t know. But it’s a goal. When new content comes out I play it. Otherwise I just bide my time, but I still really enjoy the game. I still actually want to come ingame to run the same event, I enjoy the event, it’s fun. I enjoy the game. My friends have almost unanimously left, which sucks. I don’t have a lot of insentive to play, but I still enjoy it, so whatever. That’s really all that matters.
In your opinion. Actually it’s quite the opposite, but I know you prefer the ad hominem approach. Anything other than blind fanboyism is hate mongering.
GW2 falls victim to so many bad habits that I think many fail to realize how poorly developed and lazy these habits are. It is quite apparent that people like bad games, bad movies, bad books, etc. However, there is always a generally accepted view of things that make these things better than others. You don’t have to agree with me, but there is no hate mongering here, just pointing out that GW2 actually embraces many of the things that are associated with lazy and poor game design.
I know you won’t agree, but it is true. Just because you like it doesn’t mean it is good, just like if you like soap operas or nickel back doesn’t make them good either.
Who get’s to define what is and isn’t good game design? How do you determine the amount of effort put in to classify it as lazy? What is an example of good game design that GW2 is failing, and who put in the effort to not be lazy?
If a book, or movie, or game is wildly successful, sells millions of copies, but everyone says it’s trash, is it actually trash? I mean, if it’s so bad why is it successful? Is it meaningful to say people like bad things, or simply that your tastes run contrary to popular opinion? Just because you dislike something doesn’t make it bad.
I’ve been playing MMOs since UO. I can’t play the biggest most successful MMO of all time for more than a week before I’m completely bored with it. The best MMO I ever played recently closed down forever, but I can say that this game is a very compitent and well designed MMO. It accomplishes what the Devs intended to accomplish with it. What it may not accomplish is what you wanted it to, but since it wasn’t made by you, nor with any significant input by you, that’s really not their fault.
In your opinion. Actually it’s quite the opposite, but I know you prefer the ad hominem approach. Anything other than blind fanboyism is hate mongering.
GW2 falls victim to so many bad habits that I think many fail to realize how poorly developed and lazy these habits are. It is quite apparent that people like bad games, bad movies, bad books, etc. However, there is always a generally accepted view of things that make these things better than others. You don’t have to agree with me, but there is no hate mongering here, just pointing out that GW2 actually embraces many of the things that are associated with lazy and poor game design.
I know you won’t agree, but it is true. Just because you like it doesn’t mean it is good, just like if you like soap operas or nickel back doesn’t make them good either.
Who get’s to define what is and isn’t good game design? How do you determine the amount of effort put in to classify it as lazy? What is an example of good game design that GW2 is failing, and who put in the effort to not be lazy?
If a book, or movie, or game is wildly successful, sells millions of copies, but everyone says it’s trash, is it actually trash? I mean, if it’s so bad why is it successful? Is it meaningful to say people like bad things, or simply that your tastes run contrary to popular opinion? Just because you dislike something doesn’t make it bad.
I’ve been playing MMOs since UO. I can’t play the biggest most successful MMO of all time for more than a week before I’m completely bored with it. The best MMO I ever played recently closed down forever, but I can say that this game is a very compitent and well designed MMO. It accomplishes what the Devs intended to accomplish with it. What it may not accomplish is what you wanted it to, but since it wasn’t made by you, nor with any significant input by you, that’s really not their fault.
And yet, there are clear examples of some books being better, some movies being better, some games being better, etc. etc. And, for the most part, psychologists, designers, etc. have found commonality between the things that are held in high esteem or have stood the test of time, to come to a conclusion as to what makes them better than other things.
So, yes, you can argue that you like trashy romance novels, but they aren’t really good – in the sense of comparing them, to say, Shakespeare.
Same thing with chess, you may not like it, but it has some inherent qualities that make it a good game that has been played for years.
I have tried to discuss these things with others, but the typical response is that if someone likes it, it must be good. If that is the way you prefer to live your life, that is fine. But, some of us, like to try and actually seek out what makes things better than others. In short, what makes them well designed, written, crafted, etc.
Here is a comparison – is McDonald’s good? Sure. Until you eat a steak at Ruth’s Chris. Then you realize that McDonald’s is ok, but not really good. Sure, it is cheap, convenient and sustaining, but it isn’t really terribly good. Although millions of people eat there.
GW2 is my McDonalds. It is cheap, convenient and sustaining as a game. It doesn’t particularly do anything better than any other MMO. Everything it did to try and be different or unique has pretty much fallen way short of its goal. Sure, it may get better, but who has time to wait for game developers to get their crap together – especially when the stuff you have seen them do isn’t all that exciting?
Not me. I tend to cut my losses quickly. I bought GW2 on the fact that GW1 pre-Nightfall was one of the best games I have ever played. Unfortunately, GW2 went a different direction. And, in the search for why I didn’t like GW2, I found that there is a wealth of knowledge out there about game design – and particularly things that addressed what I felt. It’s funny how I didn’t know anything about games when I first started playing GW2, but I have had the enjoyment of learning a lot about myself and what it is I like in games. Funny enough, I found that I’m not alone. A lot of what I feel is lacking in GW2 is actually things that are important to making good games. So, now I just have fun posting on the forums since there isn’t much to divert my attention these days. I’m sure something will come along eventually. It most certainly won’t be an MMO however. I am convinced that MMO’s in general do not have the ability to be really good games for a number of reasons. Hence, why they pretty much all have been lackluster – even the king of them all – WoW.
I would not call GW2 trash. It has some really good things going for it. Unfortunately making money and getting decent drops are not one of those things and that is enough for me to think about moving on to something more rewarding. I hate RNG, I am not a gambler and sadly this game is full of it and it ruins the experience for me. I ran 300+ fractals before ever getting a skin, I didn’t mind cause Fractals were worth the time back then (before the ninja nerf which supposedly never happened) while a fellow guildy got one on his first lvl20 run. That just seems broken and discouraging and I wish that would change. BTW they still haven’t fixed the stupid Krait getting stuck in the ceiling of the underwater level.
All ranting aside, it is their game and they can do what the want with it. They already took my money so why should they care about what I want? Anet is a business and businesses don’t make games for fun. They do it for profit, so if you feel that all the changes are leading to using the cash sop you are probably right.
GW2 is certainly not trash. It is however, poorly designed and fails to be really all that different than any other MMO that came before it. However, it does have the distinct advantage of being really one of only a few MMOs on the market that are currently being played by a decent population.
I crave for new armor sets! I have absolutely nothing to go after for in the game. Pvp is boring and repetetive, WvWvW is a gank-fest and the dungeons are getting absolutely wore-down.
This game lacks end-game content. I’m actually registering for the Elder Scrolls: Online beta since GW2 can’t keep me entertained anymore. I sincerely hope that Anet puts more people on creating extra content for GW2, because I’m predicting that this game will die-out otherwise.
I’m leveling up my low level characters, doing some CoF or Fractal runs, doing dailies pvp dailies, monthly and pvp monthly, repeating jumping puzzles from time to time, enjoying SAB (cya) and the living story content or doing some bosses. Sometimes I even farm T5 and T6 materials. Sure a lot of GW2 doesn’t feel interesting however I always or at least almost always find an alternative.
Not me. I tend to cut my losses quickly. I bought GW2 on the fact that GW1 pre-Nightfall was one of the best games I have ever played. Unfortunately, GW2 went a different direction. And, in the search for why I didn’t like GW2, I found that there is a wealth of knowledge out there about game design – and particularly things that addressed what I felt. It’s funny how I didn’t know anything about games when I first started playing GW2, but I have had the enjoyment of learning a lot about myself and what it is I like in games. Funny enough, I found that I’m not alone. A lot of what I feel is lacking in GW2 is actually things that are important to making good games. So, now I just have fun posting on the forums since there isn’t much to divert my attention these days. I’m sure something will come along eventually. It most certainly won’t be an MMO however. I am convinced that MMO’s in general do not have the ability to be really good games for a number of reasons. Hence, why they pretty much all have been lackluster – even the king of them all – WoW.
This right here seems like the most pertinent thing you’ve posted yet, from what I’ve read. One thing is your love of GW1, which was never what they were intending to make with GW2. I for one can’t stand the game. I’m trying very hard, because I want the Hall of Monuments things, but it’s just so difficult to suffer through it. The game itself is increadibly easy, in my opinion, it’s just not very well made.
The other important thing is your apparent failing realization that you can’t judge a single player or even multiplayer game by the same standards as an MMO. They are wholey different genres and game designs. If your expectations for a “good game” are based on how a single player game is designed, then of course you’re not going to find it in an MMO. That’s why when I said GW2 was designed well I qualified it by saying a well designed MMO. That’s what it is and as such that is how it has to be judged. They certainly can, however, be good games, even if they fall short of your expectations.
Not me. I tend to cut my losses quickly. I bought GW2 on the fact that GW1 pre-Nightfall was one of the best games I have ever played. Unfortunately, GW2 went a different direction. And, in the search for why I didn’t like GW2, I found that there is a wealth of knowledge out there about game design – and particularly things that addressed what I felt. It’s funny how I didn’t know anything about games when I first started playing GW2, but I have had the enjoyment of learning a lot about myself and what it is I like in games. Funny enough, I found that I’m not alone. A lot of what I feel is lacking in GW2 is actually things that are important to making good games. So, now I just have fun posting on the forums since there isn’t much to divert my attention these days. I’m sure something will come along eventually. It most certainly won’t be an MMO however. I am convinced that MMO’s in general do not have the ability to be really good games for a number of reasons. Hence, why they pretty much all have been lackluster – even the king of them all – WoW.
This right here seems like the most pertinent thing you’ve posted yet, from what I’ve read. One thing is your love of GW1, which was never what they were intending to make with GW2. I for one can’t stand the game. I’m trying very hard, because I want the Hall of Monuments things, but it’s just so difficult to suffer through it. The game itself is increadibly easy, in my opinion, it’s just not very well made.
The other important thing is your apparent failing realization that you can’t judge a single player or even multiplayer game by the same standards as an MMO. They are wholey different genres and game designs. If your expectations for a “good game” are based on how a single player game is designed, then of course you’re not going to find it in an MMO. That’s why when I said GW2 was designed well I qualified it by saying a well designed MMO. That’s what it is and as such that is how it has to be judged. They certainly can, however, be good games, even if they fall short of your expectations.
They can perhaps, be good games in the same way in which a good deli place has great sandwiches, but that no deli place will ever compare to say, the French Laundry or Morton’s Steakhouse.
Furthermore, you can’t compare GW1 today to GW1 during Prophecies and Factions. First, you are simply playing for GWAMM, which in itself is an unfulfilling grindy reason to play a game. Second, you are playing way past its prime. The game has changed significantly since its glory days, and not for the better.
I can’t step foot in GW1 any more. It is not the same game it was. However, that is not to say that it wasn’t a great game at one point. Many people believed that GW2 would build upon the good things GW1 did in its past – while incorporating all the new things that it deserved.
Unfortunately, the developers neither learned from the things that GW1 did well, nor did they really live up to the expectations they set forth with the things that were new to GW2, such as active combat, the living story, etc.
Of course, this is all just opinion, but if you look at the things that are widely regarded as good and bad game design, GW2 has a lot more bad game design than good.
or , you could just not grind and play content that you like.
The game isn’t going anywhere and you are trying to rush to get an item. What exactly do you get for getting that sweet skin before everyone else?
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