Guild Wars 2

The presence of pistols and especially rifles in GW2 is exceptional and significant but at the same time there is a serious lacking in the gameplay due to the fact that there is no class fully focusing on this weapon type, no class fully exploring it’s potential. On Engineer, swiching between weapon kits is crucial and rifle remains mediocre in both firepower and especially range, simply cannot be used alone as a main weapon. The same situation is in case of a Warrior where rifle is an average side weapon. Thus there is empty space for a class focusing fully and properly on rifles, first of all giving them proper range of at least 1500, like longbows on Ranger, to allow long range shooting because right now, the rifle having shorter range than a bow is really ridiculous.

As a customer and a player I would love to have a marksman type class focusing on rifles to allow me a new gameplay type of long range assistant fire when I’m far behind my squad sniping targets, kneeling while shooting, not just firing from the hip. It is shown perfectly during the Seraph Rifle Training quest in Claypool, Queensdale. THERE only I can kneel while shooting, looking and feeling like a proper marksman, aiming with my eyes. This is what I’m missing terribly and I would jump on such a class instantly if you created it. Please do!

Maybe you should learn the konami code secret password so you, too, can join us in the ranks of the Elite Commando profession.

Why create a new class when they should just bring the Warrior rifle out of mediocrity?

Because Warrior is strictly about close combat and rifle is only a side story, not the main focus of the class, and this is what I am talking about.

Adamantel.6427:

Because Warrior is strictly about close combat and rifle is only a side story, not the main focus of the class, and this is what I am talking about.

I think you’re letting your experiences with other games distort just what it is you’see when you look at the warrior as it’s presented in this game.

I like the Warrior rifle… 15k Bursts with the adrenalin skill is pretty cool.

But in my opinion they should give the Ranger a rifle. Why the hell does a Ranger, a Hunter of the Wild, have no clue how to use a rifle? Give him that, with 1500 Range with the Traits in a perfect scenario my Norn can be a Sniper.

Justdeifyme.9387:

I like the Warrior rifle… 15k Bursts with the adrenalin skill is pretty cool.

But in my opinion they should give the Ranger a rifle. Why the hell does a Ranger, a Hunter of the Wild, have no clue how to use a rifle? Give him that, with 1500 Range with the Traits in a perfect scenario my Norn can be a Sniper.

the ranger as defined as being one with nature…the ranger would basically get rid of that i think, although i do agree they should have some sort of longer ranged weapon. how are guns in this game but not crossbows?

Dante.1763:

Justdeifyme.9387:

I like the Warrior rifle… 15k Bursts with the adrenalin skill is pretty cool.

But in my opinion they should give the Ranger a rifle. Why the hell does a Ranger, a Hunter of the Wild, have no clue how to use a rifle? Give him that, with 1500 Range with the Traits in a perfect scenario my Norn can be a Sniper.

the ranger as defined as being one with nature…the ranger would basically get rid of that i think, although i do agree they should have some sort of longer ranged weapon. how are guns in this game but not crossbows?

And how does that relate to the Charr and Asura? The Charr who invented Fire Arms and are 100% at home with all things mechanical. Do you really think an Iron Legion Ranger wouldn’t be into guns, just because he has access to nature magic?

The Asura are all about all things science and magic. They should have laser rifles, let alone the standard flintlock type. Guns don’t interfere in any way with someones attunement to nature. Simply put Rangers are hunters, and every hunter in the game uses a rifle, so it should be available to Rangers.

The only legitimate argument against rifles for a Ranger is the question of what they would do that would set them sufficiently apart from Longbow, or Warrior.

Warrior LB skills are awesome. That fire field alone is worth the weapon.

Kal Spiro.9745:

And how does that relate to the Charr and Asura? The Charr who invented Fire Arms and are 100% at home with all things mechanical. Do you really think an Iron Legion Ranger wouldn’t be into guns, just because he has access to nature magic?

The Asura are all about all things science and magic. They should have laser rifles, let alone the standard flintlock type. Guns don’t interfere in any way with someones attunement to nature. Simply put Rangers are hunters, and every hunter in the game uses a rifle, so it should be available to Rangers.

The only legitimate argument against rifles for a Ranger is the question of what they would do that would set them sufficiently apart from Longbow, or Warrior.

honestly a ranger with rifle would be cool but i dont think its going to happen.

i could think of something for the ranger with a gun
skill 1 hunters shot, strikes a weak point making target vulnerable
skill 2 poison shot, inflicts poison for XX duration
skill 3 some sort of area attack sortof like barrage
skill 4 snipers shot, hits the target in the head stunning them
skill 5 again not sure.

it would be a condition type weapon mainly, but i think it would work.

Dante.1763:

Kal Spiro.9745:

And how does that relate to the Charr and Asura? The Charr who invented Fire Arms and are 100% at home with all things mechanical. Do you really think an Iron Legion Ranger wouldn’t be into guns, just because he has access to nature magic?

The Asura are all about all things science and magic. They should have laser rifles, let alone the standard flintlock type. Guns don’t interfere in any way with someones attunement to nature. Simply put Rangers are hunters, and every hunter in the game uses a rifle, so it should be available to Rangers.

The only legitimate argument against rifles for a Ranger is the question of what they would do that would set them sufficiently apart from Longbow, or Warrior.

honestly a ranger with rifle would be cool but i dont think its going to happen.

i could think of something for the ranger with a gun
skill 1 hunters shot, strikes a weak point making target vulnerable
skill 2 poison shot, inflicts poison for XX duration
skill 3 some sort of area attack sortof like barrage
skill 4 snipers shot, hits the target in the head stunning them
skill 5 again not sure.

it would be a condition type weapon mainly, but i think it would work.

1) Cantha had Siege Turtles with Cannons on their backs in Gw1, so they invented guns technically.

2) Shortbow and Axe are both already condition weapons, and ranged weapons too, so it would just be a variation of those weapons…

3) I tried to think of a Rifle idea, but I didn’t really like it all that much now the more I thought about it because of the mechanics that go with it. (plus its 99% a condition weapon anyways…) (which is here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-Weapon-and-Skill-Building/2593516), also, it ended up more as a Tranquilizer gun instead of an actual rifle.

4) We need a a Rifle that isn’t like the Warrior or Engineer’s Rifle, but also isn’t a retread of the Longbow or Shortbow either (or the Axe). That’s going to be a hard thing for Anet to do, unless the Rifle shoots Hornets or something? (I think I suggested that before already too….)

Chrispy.5641:

Dante.1763:

Kal Spiro.9745:

And how does that relate to the Charr and Asura? The Charr who invented Fire Arms and are 100% at home with all things mechanical. Do you really think an Iron Legion Ranger wouldn’t be into guns, just because he has access to nature magic?

The Asura are all about all things science and magic. They should have laser rifles, let alone the standard flintlock type. Guns don’t interfere in any way with someones attunement to nature. Simply put Rangers are hunters, and every hunter in the game uses a rifle, so it should be available to Rangers.

The only legitimate argument against rifles for a Ranger is the question of what they would do that would set them sufficiently apart from Longbow, or Warrior.

honestly a ranger with rifle would be cool but i dont think its going to happen.

i could think of something for the ranger with a gun
skill 1 hunters shot, strikes a weak point making target vulnerable
skill 2 poison shot, inflicts poison for XX duration
skill 3 some sort of area attack sortof like barrage
skill 4 snipers shot, hits the target in the head stunning them
skill 5 again not sure.

it would be a condition type weapon mainly, but i think it would work.

1) Cantha had Siege Turtles with Cannons on their backs in Gw1, so they invented guns technically.

2) Shortbow and Axe are both already condition weapons, and ranged weapons too, so it would just be a variation of those weapons…

3) I tried to think of a Rifle idea, but I didn’t really like it all that much now the more I thought about it because of the mechanics that go with it. (plus its 99% a condition weapon anyways…) (which is here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-Weapon-and-Skill-Building/2593516), also, it ended up more as a Tranquilizer gun instead of an actual rifle.

4) We need a a Rifle that isn’t like the Warrior or Engineer’s Rifle, but also isn’t a retread of the Longbow or Shortbow either (or the Axe). That’s going to be a hard thing for Anet to do, unless the Rifle shoots Hornets or something? (I think I suggested that before already too….)

1) Cannons are not guns. It is lore that the Charr invented personal firearms.

2-4)That’s the main problem as I see it too.

Kal Spiro.9745:

1) Cannons are not guns. It is lore that the Charr invented personal firearms.

2-4)That’s the main problem as I see it too.

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

“A gun is a normally tubular weapon or other device designed to discharge projectiles or other material”

You made the mistake of saying guns. You should’ve said “Cannons are not Firearms”, then you would be right.

2-4) yeah, we need to work on that if Rangers are to ever get rifles, otherwise, its not gonna happen.

Adamantel.6427:

the rifle having shorter range than a bow is really ridiculous.

Kentucky Long rifle effective range with experience? 200 yards.English Long Bow effective range with experience? 400 yards .

As far as the whole marksman class flesh it out more with traits ,skills other weapons,utility skills etc then i’ll get back to ya on it

Dante.1763:

Justdeifyme.9387:

I like the Warrior rifle… 15k Bursts with the adrenalin skill is pretty cool.

But in my opinion they should give the Ranger a rifle. Why the hell does a Ranger, a Hunter of the Wild, have no clue how to use a rifle? Give him that, with 1500 Range with the Traits in a perfect scenario my Norn can be a Sniper.

the ranger as defined as being one with nature…the ranger would basically get rid of that i think, although i do agree they should have some sort of longer ranged weapon. how are guns in this game but not crossbows?

Guns didn’t really coexist with crossbows very well. They have the same strengths and weaknesses, so guns were used instead of crossbows whenever they were available.

Why are so many of you playing a fantasy game, when it’s clear you’d be more at home in a FPS/CoD environment?

stale.9785:

Why are so many of you playing a fantasy game, when it’s clear you’d be more at home in a FPS/CoD environment?

None of this statement makes any sense, nor has anything at all do to with the discussion at hand.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

Dante.1763:

Justdeifyme.9387:

I like the Warrior rifle… 15k Bursts with the adrenalin skill is pretty cool.

But in my opinion they should give the Ranger a rifle. Why the hell does a Ranger, a Hunter of the Wild, have no clue how to use a rifle? Give him that, with 1500 Range with the Traits in a perfect scenario my Norn can be a Sniper.

the ranger as defined as being one with nature…the ranger would basically get rid of that i think, although i do agree they should have some sort of longer ranged weapon. how are guns in this game but not crossbows?

Guns didn’t really coexist with crossbows very well. They have the same strengths and weaknesses, so guns were used instead of crossbows whenever they were available.

Time for a History Lesson!!!

Crossbows eventually replaced Bows in many parts of Europe by the 1200’s, but have been in use since the Greek and Romans. An example of where Crossbows did not Replace Longbows was in England, as well as Hungary

Both Fell out of Favor by the 16th Century though, because Advances in Guns eventually made them a better choice (well…the cheaper choice). The problem though, was that the Longbow and Crossbow Both were far more accurate and faster firing weapons than Guns until Rifiling was advanced enough to become reliable.

There were efforts to try to revive the Longbow as a result, because a well trained Archer was always better than some peasant recruited and given an inaccurate musket. There were efforts to use the Longbow for military purposes until as late as the 1790’s (including by Benjamin Franklin).

Also, did you know that there was actually a kill in WWII made with a Longbow? Here is the wikipedia article:::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

All I’m saying is, is that until about 1500, Crossbows and Longbows were quite widely used, but were replaced by guns because guns were cheaper, but, had history been different, the Longbow would have been a viable and deadly weapon until about 1800.

I only talked about Europe, The Bow and Crossbow both were used for much longer in other parts of the world.

This history lesson was brought to you by Chrispy

Now…Whose to say that in Tyria that Bows and Crossbows(if they even exist) are supposed to fade into history because of guns? They aren’t. Why couldn’t they have evolved and gotten better over time alongside guns? In a fantasy world with as much magic as there is technology, what’s wrong with that?