Guild Wars 2

Title says it all. I don’t like PvP, yet I am REQUIRED to participate in WvW in order to complete the PvE monthly.

Of a slightly less annoying nature, WvW is also required for PvE map completion.

While I know that the PvP monthly only applies to sPvP, I do not agree that that makes WvW part of the PvE game.

Having a separate WvW monthly would be more than welcome.

Lily Miranda.5407:

Having a separate WvW monthly would be more than welcome.

That is probably the best solution. It would give people who participate in multiple game types more rewards (which is fair), and stop punishing those of us who prefer to just PvE.

100% map completion requires completion of all 4 WvW maps, an WvW performance benefits everyone on the server during PvE by providing bonuses, so I am guessing that Anet do consider WvW at least partially part of PvE since they are interlinked.

Nidome.1365:

100% map completion requires completion of all 4 WvW maps, an WvW performance benefits everyone on the server during PvE by providing bonuses, so I am guessing that Anet do consider WvW at least partially part of PvE since they are interlinked.

…and having players in WvW who are only there for world completion eating up queue space during busy times hurts your server’s WvW performance.

Doesn’t it make sense overall to separate WvW and PvE? As it is, I already feel the need to respec and regear when switching between the 2 game types, as the gear and traits I use for PvE are basically useless in WvW.

We saw a huge outcry from WvW and sPvP players over ascended gear, because obtaining those items (at least for now) required PvE, which some people don’t want to do. This will be fixed in the upcoming patch with the introduction of Laurels. However, since dailies and monthlies will be the de facto method of progression, can’t the PvE-only players get the same consideration?

Personally, I think this is people making mountains out of mole hills. But, I do believe you shouldn’t play a game for one section of it. You should play it all. The PvE, WvW and SPvP. (I suck at the latter but i still do it)

Captain Seyo.4285:

Personally, I think this is people making mountains out of mole hills. But, I do believe you shouldn’t play a game for one section of it. You should play it all. The PvE, WvW and SPvP. (I suck at the latter but i still do it)

I could be wrong here, but wasn’t it stated even before launch that you should be able to play the game however you want to play? I dislike PvP, and do not have a desire to participate in it. For this, I am punished by not being able to complete monthly achievements. PvP monthlies only require participating in one game type, sPvP. However, WvW players are required to do PvE (fractals), and PvErs are required to do WvW (Invader kills). Are you saying that I am the only one who finds this a bit unfair?

I agree with OP, however no one is required to do a monthly. Nothing you get from it can’t be retreived elsewhere such as dailies and events.
Just like legendaries, they arn’t required yet you need to do things in WvW and 100% all the Boarderlands with eternal battlegrouds to get the full recipe.

Didn’t they say they were changing the dailies and monthlies anyway?

Agree, I hope they take out the WvW requirement as it’s definately not PvE.

it’s 50 kills…..play for like an hour and you’d have it…..
Don’t demand they change the way it’s done for everyone just because YOU have a problem with a aspect of the game.

Gelltor.3015:

it’s 50 kills…..play for like an hour and you’d have it…..
Don’t demand they change the way it’s done for everyone just because YOU have a problem with a aspect of the game.

Funny. I don’t recall demanding anything. This is a suggestion forum, and I am making a suggestion. Don’t be a jerk about a suggestion because YOU don’t agree with it.

Antitheist.5306:

Title says it all. I don’t like PvP, yet I am REQUIRED to participate in WvW in order to complete the PvE monthly.

There’s your mistake. You ASSumed its a PvE monthly. No where does it say PvE. It is a monthly achievement.

Antitheist.5306:

I could be wrong here, but wasn’t it stated even before launch that you should be able to play the game however you want to play?

They lied! Are you really surprised a marketing statement turned out to be utter rubbish?
I see PvE players QQ all the time that they should get to play how they want to play and as such should not have to WvW to do 4 map completions. Look at it the other way, as a WvW player I have to take the time to do 32 PvE maps I have no use for. Eight time more maps then PvE’ers and nary a QQ from us.

Catisa.6507:

Antitheist.5306:

I could be wrong here, but wasn’t it stated even before launch that you should be able to play the game however you want to play?

They lied! Are you really surprised a marketing statement turned out to be utter rubbish?
I see PvE players QQ all the time that they should get to play how they want to play and as such should not have to WvW to do 4 map completions. Look at it the other way, as a WvW player I have to take the time to do 32 PvE maps I have no use for. Eight time more maps then PvE’ers and nary a QQ from us.

Monthlies arn’t a requirement… idk what the big deal is really. You either want it or you don’t but the rewards arn’t game changing nor do they offer anything a daily cannot.

Yes please! Give WvWers a WvW monthly and PvEers a strictly PvE monthly. That will take WvW specced players out of Fractals and PvEers out of the WvW queues. While I don’t see how it would really be an issue, if there was concern about giving players too many rewards per month, they could be made to be exclusive. Once you complete one the other becomes locked until the next month.

it’s 50 kills…..play for like an hour and you’d have it…..

Yes, it’s only 50 kills but you would be surprised at how difficult that is for some players. Not everyone is good at PvP. In fact, some of us are really terrible. The request is merely that we not be required to participate in one aspect of the game that we dislike (WvW) in order to participate in another aspect that we greatly enjoy (monthlies).

I agree with OP, however no one is required to do a monthly.

Yes, we are not required to complete monthlies. However, some of us enjoy completing monthlies and there’s nothing wrong with us requesting that they be made a little more accessible to us—especially since the aspect we are suggesting they change is not strictly PvE.

I see PvE players QQ all the time that they should get to play how they want to play and as such should not have to WvW to do 4 map completions. Look at it the other way, as a WvW player I have to take the time to do 32 PvE maps I have no use for. Eight time more maps then PvE’ers and nary a QQ from us.

The complaint is not that we have to complete them; only that in order to complete them, we have to be able to access areas that are often controlled by the enemy meaning we cannot complete them. However, this is off-topic. The discussion is monthlies; not map completion.

They already added a PvP monthly and daily for those who really prefer only to play SPvP. They award SPvP appropriate items for completion. While WvW and PvE are closely related, they are still two different aspects of the game and at the very least, consideration should be given to treating them as such. A WvW monthly could reward blueprints and badges or the like instead of Mystic Coins and Karma. It really could be a win-win situation for both parties. We should look at the possibilities here instead of bashing one another for not enjoying the part of the game that we enjoy.

Aren’t they modifying the achievement system in the next update (due later today)? Dailies are certainly changing, but some comments suggest that monthlies are as well.
Maybe we should wait until they have posted the release notes to see what they have done (if anything) to monthlies before continuing on this thread?

I will never get monthly achievement because I am not really crazy about WvW and I don’t like to do dungeons. I do like PVE. love to explore and craft and just run around the map. So I will never get Monthly because Fractals is on it. I do wish they would give us a choice of things to do for monthly. I know that is supposed to be in the dailys with this update, but they should also put it in monthly

Nidome.1365:

Aren’t they modifying the achievement system in the next update (due later today)? Dailies are certainly changing, but some comments suggest that monthlies are as well.
Maybe we should wait until they have posted the release notes to see what they have done (if anything) to monthlies before continuing on this thread?

I waited until I saw the patch notes to reply to this, and was vindicated because of it.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the dailies as they were (aside from being kind of predictable). However, the monthlies, as mentioned already, lock certain types of players out of being able to complete them, and have not been altered at all.

A few people have mentioned that the monthlies are not “required”. As Laurels are now the only real method of progression, and completing the monthly offers an additional 33% Laurels (in months with 30 days), I would argue that, while not exactly mandatory, they are extremely important.

I recall a very early marketing piece from ANet(soon after the GW2 announcement) that stated that everything you needed to do in the game to obtain best-in-slot gear would be possible to do solo. While I never saw a retraction to this, it is clearly no longer true. While it’s possible that someone is able to solo fractals, it would require exploiting bugs and mob AI, which it seems clear is not “intended” behavior. On the same note, WvW as a solo player is pretty much just volunteering to give NPC’s money for repair bills, while accomplishing nothing.

I just want to understand why sPvP players get their own, personal daily and monthly, so they won’t feel it necessary to participate in a game mode that they don’t prefer, while anyone who chooses to exclusively PvE of WvW does not get the same consideration.

EDIT: I should also mention that, were there to be separate monthlies for PvP, WvW, and PvE, I have no problem with people who do all 3 getting triple rewards. I am simply asking for the ability to obtain a monthly achievement without playing a game mode I choose not to. People who want to go to the trouble to do all three should be rewarded for their trouble and dedication.

any best in slot gear is possible to do solo so your stament is falsh atleast about that as they can be optaind with laurels

so because i want a legendary but dont want PvE i should have a way to optain it in WvW only would that be fair or even make them special in any way then?
its a diffrent example then what you are agienst, but same problem i want something as little game breaking it is for me to gain it that way as it is for you to not going to WvW to get kills from monthly

Korsbaek.9803:

any best in slot gear is possible to do solo so your stament is falsh atleast about that as they can be optaind with laurels

so because i want a legendary but dont want PvE i should have a way to optain it in WvW only would that be fair or even make them special in any way then?
its a diffrent example then what you are agienst, but same problem i want something as little game breaking it is for me to gain it that way as it is for you to not going to WvW to get kills from monthly

Actually, back before we had any real information regarding legendaries, a number of people in the community believed that there would be “separate but equal” legendaries for PvE and WvW. This didn’t end up being the case, but that is ok, because one should have to accomplish something legendary to get a legendary. It’s worth pointing out here that getting a legendary is quite a bit more of an accomplishment than completing a monthly.

I don’t really like the process of getting a legendary as it is now, but using that as a comparison to monthlies is akin to comparing winning a presidential election to winning a 3rd grade spelling bee. At a school for the slow kids.

Korsbaek.9803:

so because i want a legendary but dont want PvE i should have a way to optain it in WvW only would that be fair or even make them special in any way then?
its a diffrent example then what you are agienst, but same problem i want something as little game breaking it is for me to gain it that way as it is for you to not going to WvW to get kills from monthly

How can Legendaries be comparable to Monthlies? A Legendary is a huge accomplishment requiring some participation in all aspects of the game (excluding SPvP since it doesn’t affect SPvP). Monthlies, however, are a small accomplishment meant to provide something for players to work towards each month. One is all-encompassing in its rewards and required effort. The other is minimal in its rewards but still includes aspects of all areas of the game—even if they are relatively small requirements.

To all the WvWers here, how useful are Karma and Mystic Coins to you? Would you prefer something a little more WvW related? Even if you wouldn’t, would you really want to be required to participate in Fractals and other PvE activities if you could instead receive those rewards purely by playing WvW?
If WvWers don’t care about the monthly as many seem to suggest, then why is it such a big deal for PvEers being allowed to bow out of WvW and still pursue monthlies?

Is there a problem with the current Monthly system? No. Could it be better and more attractive to players? Yes.