Guild Wars 2

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

You’re pretty funny. Where are your statistics saying that this is the minority view? Anything added to the game is good for the company…not bad. Your opinion closes doors for ArenaNet, while mine opens them. Which one is better? More things to collect > less things to collect. Stop making yourself look salty.

Well, no. That’s not the case. Something added to the game is good if it improves upon the game or the experience. If the thing you add removes from the game or the experience, then it’s bad, even though something was added.

Similarly, more things to collect is not always better. Would the game be much improved if we had a different currency for individual zones instead of karma? Would it be much improved if we added more equipment slots, like ankle and belt and such? No, this is not the case. As above, things should only be added if they distinctly improve upon the game experience. If they don’t, they should not be added.

So the question is whether or not adding mounts would add or subtract from the game experience. Some people believe it would subtract because you would be able to skip content. One of the virtues of waypoints is that you can’t use it until you’ve been there. The content between waypoints must be experienced, at least once, even if you waypoint past it every time after.

With mounts, the increased speed would naturally make it easier to simply bypass mobs, areas, and content. It would make the game world smaller, with less visible things in it. The cities would not have people going around, but animals running about. And in the way of such things, the mounts would gradually increase in size and adornment, until we have nothing but giant elephants and dragons traipsing around Lion’s Arch and Divinity’s Reach.

My opinion on the matter is this. Imagine a mount, let’s say a horse.

Now imagine a Charr riding the horse.
Now imagine an Asura riding the same horse.
Besides the big size difference (unless you make a really tiny horse to fit the Asura) I think it just looks odd for certain races to ride mounts.

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

I remember many people QQing about acended gear yet it still happened. Even though they all thought they were the majority. its been said a thousand times before, the forums just aint an accurate reflection of the playerbase. And if given mounts no one is forcing you to use them yourself. Stop being selfish and trying to force your view on others. And its funny when specifically asked about mounts a developer said said they never said they wouldnt ever happen. Just very unlikely for a long time. Now that was a good while ago so they could have change their stance to 100% never ever gonna happen. But til they come out and say that then people are free to make the suggestion that they should be added.

Yeah, great idea OP! We can ride Dolyaks(The only ridable mount in Tyria besides golems that makes any sense at all. Wow, that’s a silly sentence.) at a blazing speed of seven miles per hour, and for a training fee(NOTHING like WoW) we can even ride at ten miles per hour, about the speed at which the player character runs!

dcypher.2590:

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

You’re pretty funny. Where are your statistics saying that this is the minority view? Anything added to the game is good for the company…not bad. Your opinion closes doors for ArenaNet, while mine opens them. Which one is better? More things to collect > less things to collect. Stop making yourself look salty.

I prefer less things to collect, plus “anything added to the game is good for the company… not bad” is the worst statement i’ve ever seen in a forum….. did you see what happened to wow in Mists of pandaria? They lost 2 million subs because they added something to the game, in that case, pandaren.

Here is a thought…(theoretic opinion ahead proceed with caution)

If they introduced two mounts in the gem store and the one which was only cosmetic but had a beautiful flaming mane or something like that, and lets say they charged 600gems for it.
And the other mount was a plain old Moa bird but it gave 33% run speed but it cost 1200gems.

The end result is that the Moa would sell 10 to 1 and the collectors would buy both, thus the 1 in that equation.
And I’d venture to say that a good portion of the G.W.O.M(gamers who oppose mounts) would still end up getting one.

ground mount with gave 50% or 60% speed is fine. I like it.

uknortherner.2670:

Steven.9803:

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

How can you say you have the statistics to say the idea of mounts comes from a “minority” of people?

I didn’t say anything about having statistics. I can however use the Search function – a concept completely alien to the pro-mount crowd, and the number of overwhelmingly negative posts about mounts outnumber pro-mount posts. It’s precisely this reason why a small number of people keep starting new threads each day with the same tired arguments in favour of mounts, i.e. “cuz they luk kool” and “cuz otha MMOs hav em”, whilst deliberately ignoring the reasons against such a feature (world design, game lore, etc).

Okay, apparently the “search engine” is also apparently “alien” to those who are against mounts as well. There are many, many posts(more than I’d like to share) on differant forums, on differant websites spread throughout the internet on people pro-opinion of mounts, so there goes “mounts are demanded by a minority” logic. Also game design? Imagine the broom stick with 33% speed increase; how is that game breaking? And LORE? pfft. As I said before " To all the people who say that its because of the lore that they dont want any mounts is frankly, a laughable excuse for a reason. If you lore-hounds where as crazy for the lore as you say you are, you would take in the reality of how the lore was designed; open ended and borderless so that new things can be implemented with ease. Therefore the only way a “lore issue” would come into effect is if they designed it so that it was a manuscript that confirmed everything down to the last detail, which incase you didn’t notice is exactly not how the Guild Wars lore was designed."

Ghoward.1306:

dcypher.2590:

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

You’re pretty funny. Where are your statistics saying that this is the minority view? Anything added to the game is good for the company…not bad. Your opinion closes doors for ArenaNet, while mine opens them. Which one is better? More things to collect > less things to collect. Stop making yourself look salty.

I prefer less things to collect, plus “anything added to the game is good for the company… not bad” is the worst statement i’ve ever seen in a forum….. did you see what happened to wow in Mists of pandaria? They lost 2 million subs because they added something to the game, in that case, pandaren.

Really? Using the game with 10+ million players as a proving point? Holy LOL. Get real please. Mounts take nothing away from the game, I can blink through any content on my mesmer to tag a waypoint it’s not hard, virtually every class has escape moves to just charge through the area to discover points, stop acting like you know nothing about this game. Making up these fairy tales to try to pass off reasons not to implement a mount system.

Pretty sure ArenaNet made it very clear that they wouldn’t put mounts in the game…Anyways I’m against the idea for reasons explained in a lot of threads on ‘mounts’ in GW1 and GW2. Example is to refer up to the comment posted by Son of Elias.

Mounts don’t fit in with Guild Wars at all. There’s no reason to have them and would change the feel of the game.

uknortherner.2670:

Steven.9803:

uknortherner.2670:

dcypher.2590:

Also, it’s funny seeing all of the people cry that they don’t want mounts…. use a waypoint if you want. Run if you want. Stop trying to hijack a good idea for a game company just because you are a crybaby.

Or, alternatively, stop trying to force your minority view on the majority of players. It was made clear from the start that there would be no mounts. Now stop being a crybaby because you could not be bothered to do any research before purchasing the game.

How can you say you have the statistics to say the idea of mounts comes from a “minority” of people?

I didn’t say anything about having statistics. I can however use the Search function – a concept completely alien to the pro-mount crowd, and the number of overwhelmingly negative posts about mounts outnumber pro-mount posts. It’s precisely this reason why a small number of people keep starting new threads each day with the same tired arguments in favour of mounts, i.e. “cuz they luk kool” and “cuz otha MMOs hav em”, whilst deliberately ignoring the reasons against such a feature (world design, game lore, etc).

Hate to break it to you, but it’s been proven time and time again in other MMO’s, that the people who are outspoken on the forums aren’t necessarily their demographics in the game. The majority of MMO players NEVER visit the forums, even once. That being said, if they did ingame polls, versus “using the search function on the forums”, the results could very well be polar opposites.

As for the topic, I’m neither for or against mounts, so long as they are implemented without sacrificing game play (ie, using them in towns to stand on NPC’s), then I don’t care if they added them.

Mounts do not belong in Guild Wars. They add nothing to the game and only serve to add to the clutter. Waypoints are instantaneous, why would you want to use a mount? No, this idea shouldn’t be introduced. This isn’t World of Warcraft.

Beast.9516:

Mounts do not belong in Guild Wars. They add nothing to the game and only serve to add to the clutter. Waypoints are instantaneous, why would you want to use a mount? No, this idea shouldn’t be introduced. This isn’t World of Warcraft.

Because waypoints cost to use them. Even if this isn’t WoW, it’s still a MMO. Mounts aswell look nice and can be disabled in main cities.

wumpyc.5167:

Beast.9516:

Mounts do not belong in Guild Wars. They add nothing to the game and only serve to add to the clutter. Waypoints are instantaneous, why would you want to use a mount? No, this idea shouldn’t be introduced. This isn’t World of Warcraft.

Because waypoints cost to use them. Even if this isn’t WoW, it’s still a MMO. Mounts aswell look nice and can be disabled in main cities.

If you get mounts. They will be rent-able for sure.

To be honest i don’t want a Bear or Horse ville in gw2, where everywhere you see humans on horses or norn on bears, hell no.

But asuras on moas sound cool. Every asura knows, that while height is usually a sign on inferior intellect, small optional vertical advantage in dealings with subpar intellects such as those of humans and especially norn might prove beneficial.

Nothing better then a moa in battle armor with customizable colors. And don’t trifle yourself over minor details like moa being a golem moa MK5, or it’s armor set named “Avis mind control & shielding device”

In fact there are rumors of suspicious moa mind control related research being held around queensdale, but those are vile rumors spread by small minds who fear progress!

seriously people for kittens sake stop with the brainless WoW referances. All it does is prove how small minded and to be honest, irrelevant your opinon is. WoW is not the only god kitten mmo out there. The fact its massively successful must really stick in some of your throats since you hate on it so much its pathetic.

Mounts have been in MMO’s for well over a decade. So throwing around idiotic excuses because of wow is ridiculous. Lets scrap warriors then since wow has them. Hell lets be as pathetic with it as you lot are, lets include axes, humans, dragons (the list could grow to insane levels to the point the game dont exist).

And to refer to and earlier poster, WoW didnt lose 2 mil subs. And they sure didnt lose any real players because they introduced pandareans. Only a child would quit a fantasy game because they introduced them. Alot whined because they need to pretend they are tough orcs etc and where threatened that being around cute panda’s would ruin their massive hard man image /facedesk

there seems to be two main groups championing the addition of mounts:

-those who want it for the speed boost

-those who want it for the looks

those who want for the speed boost usually get challeged with the point that there are waypoints to allow instead. a typical response is

Because waypoints cost to use them.

but think on that for a moment. waypoints have a cost. they have a cost for a reason. and I have yet to see someone make a logical argument as to why that cost should be circumnavigated.

as for people who want it for looks, they have generally acknowledged the problem of visual clutter. the common response is to ban mounts from the main cities. but main cities are not the only places where visual clutter can be a problem. remember the mad king clocktower?

and there are other issues that mounts bring up. for example, there is no lore to support mounts. the only domesticated animals are:
-devourers
-doylacks
-cattle
-moas
-fern hounds

none of with really are suitable for mounts. also, the world isn’t really built around the concept of mounts. for example, kessex hills/garenden fields is a lot less flat than barrens/westfall, even after catacylsm. even stonetalon peak is relatively flat, especially when compared to someplace in the shiverpeaks.

Well said Kitanas, I was just about to bring up the subject of waypoints being a gold sink. Gold sinks are in games for a reason, and while it could be argued that there are too many gold sinks in this one (tp fees, waypoint fees, repair fees), the fact remains that gold sinks are an important factor in stabilizing a game’s economy. Adding mounts into the game that were more than just cosmetic (i.e., they provide a speed boost) would majorly circumvent this gold sink and ANET would probably find somewhere else to put one, which would then just be complained about.

Leave mounts out of the game and be happy with your instant waypoint travel.

I would much prefer that, if mounts are added, they remain purely cosmetic and maybe go no faster than Swiftness gives, albeit passively. Because while I relate to them looking cool, one of the largest draws I had to this game was the sense of scale. Where fast-travelling is available, but is discouraged slightly due to its cost, and your only ability to move quicker is your own utility.

I like that a lot, and if that means having no mounts, I’ll deal with it – but the best compromise would be as I said: Cosmetic mounts. Maybe vehicular style, acting like a Bundle. That’s really all I could justify, though. Anything more impacting than that would spoil it.

id drop a fair chunk of cash in the gem store for a charr combat buggy Just saying

Fair warning:
This subject has been beat to death several times. Each time, the moderators merge the new threads with the old one.

I think if there will be mounts then i think only rangers can have them because it makes sence.

I don’t know why people keep saying it’s against lore to have mounts. There’s dialogue between two human NPCs in Quuensdale, I believe, that say something along the lines of, “remember when we used to ride Moas across the fields?”.

I want to ride on a flying dragon. No? Well since dragons are the root of all evil in this game…how about a flying Phoenix? they are natural enemies…

The argument as it would subtract away from elements of the game is balony. People already pop Anti CC skills just to run thru Cursed Shore. Besides you can easily just have mounts be as fast as Swiftness speeds, and the requirement be 100% World Map completion. Solve both your problems at once. In that case, ppl will be forced to explore the World.

People want mounts because they are cool not for a means of travel. And the argument that it is against the Lore which is kinda lame as well. This is a game with monsters and mythical dragons. It would totally make sense to have mounts or flying mounts. You can even have an entire map be aerial based and people can only move around or fight there if they had a flying eagle or something. There is a heavy influence from Lord of the Rings in this game and even in the movie they had elephants, horses, and giant eagles.

Humans can ride on horses
Norn can ride on giant penguins
Sylvari can ride on giant plant beasts
Charr can ride on big mean looking things
Asura can ride on hover cars

Stigma.7869:

Asura can ride on hover cars

Hover skateboard like the ones in Back to the Future 2

If there is mounts hope you dont have to pay real money for them. Like other MMO’s.

Lutharr.1035:

Stigma.7869:

Asura can ride on hover cars

Hover skateboard like the ones in Back to the Future 2

What is this Star Trek? xD

Beast.9516:

Mounts do not belong in Guild Wars. They add nothing to the game and only serve to add to the clutter. Waypoints are instantaneous, why would you want to use a mount? No, this idea shouldn’t be introduced. This isn’t World of Warcraft.

Mounts make you look good, because in a MMO if a see a guy riding on a mount i just think “That guy is boss” and i would like to be riding around on my epic looking mount showing off, and in most MMO’s there is mounts and i think it would be good for there to be in this. If there is mounts i wouldent be using waypoints. Riding on a mount will be much cooler. Its like saying why do people buy cool looking cars? Its because they look good. Mounts may ruin they game because it is risky but i think Guild Wars 2 should give it a try, alot of people want mounts alot of people dont thats the same with waypoints. I may not make games but if there bad they can just take it off in this next update i guess.

Hi everyone,

You can find the mounts suggestion here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Game-Improvement-Suggestions/page/27#post1160310. Please feel free to join in the discussion on this topic.

Thanks for your understanding. This thread is closed.