Guild Wars 2

Neural.1824:

Vayne.8563:

But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…

…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.

Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.

Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

Mirta.5029:

Rammie.2843:

Spamming invites or just sending an invite when someone is busy in the hope they accidentally accept. Don’t act like it doesn’t happen.

I have not seen this happen. Plus normally duels don’t mean PK and only gets you down to 1 HP, normally you wouldn’t get absolutely anything from this kind of behavior.
Point is a lot of people would want to see duels in the game. Be it in a special Spvp instanced zone where you need to have the other person in your party for you both to enter or something like that.

It doesn’t make it less annoying.

And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.

Also, why must the opposition provide arguments why there shouldn’t be a dueling option while the ones actually interested cannot provide good reasons why this game actually needs it?

How would anyone get ganked? We are not talking about flagging everyone for open season. You either are going way off base for the hell of it, or don’t know what a duel is. Plenty of points for it have been established if you care to read.

Plenty of MMOs have an auto decline toggle, you would never even know you were challenged. There are plenty of ways people can troll you in-game already. use the normal safeguards…ignore, report, etc.

Not having duels at all is the safeguard we’re having right now, and I quite like it. Why must I put effort into avoiding something I don’t want rather than you putting effort in something you do want AND is available?

Mirta.5029:

Rammie.2843:

It doesn’t make it less annoying.

And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.

you have to pay for it weekly. If it was a one time buy, then sure we could get that, but now it’s essentially like paying a weekly subscription for one feature.
And why we need it? Why does the game need anything? Because it’s a fun thing to do with friends.

Then suggest for cheaper/no costs. Still not a reason to put in a dueling option. And saying it’s fun… makes saying “it’s not fun” equally valid.

How would you have to put effort into anything more than what you do already? You wouldn’t…lame excuse. Let me guess, you also get mad when people are costume brawling right…they must be impeding your gameplay and constantly challenging you to duels.

I don’t mind costume brawls. I don’t mind them and I don’t participate in them. However, due to their design, I also don’t need to block them. And a free for all rumble is hardly a tool measuring contest like duels. Nice try, but not quite.

Rammie.2843:

I don’t mind costume brawls. I don’t mind them and I don’t participate in them. However, due to their design, I also don’t need to block them. And a free for all rumble is hardly a tool measuring contest like duels. Nice try, but not quite.

well there could be a system like that – we all get a dueling potion, we double click a dueling potion to be able to start combat, only those with dueling potion on can hit each other. There! Solved! No invite spam or anything like that.

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

Mirta.5029:

Rammie.2843:

Spamming invites or just sending an invite when someone is busy in the hope they accidentally accept. Don’t act like it doesn’t happen.

I have not seen this happen. Plus normally duels don’t mean PK and only gets you down to 1 HP, normally you wouldn’t get absolutely anything from this kind of behavior.
Point is a lot of people would want to see duels in the game. Be it in a special Spvp instanced zone where you need to have the other person in your party for you both to enter or something like that.

It doesn’t make it less annoying.

And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.

Also, why must the opposition provide arguments why there shouldn’t be a dueling option while the ones actually interested cannot provide good reasons why this game actually needs it?

How would anyone get ganked? We are not talking about flagging everyone for open season. You either are going way off base for the hell of it, or don’t know what a duel is. Plenty of points for it have been established if you care to read.

Plenty of MMOs have an auto decline toggle, you would never even know you were challenged. There are plenty of ways people can troll you in-game already. use the normal safeguards…ignore, report, etc.

Not having duels at all is the safeguard we’re having right now, and I quite like it. Why must I put effort into avoiding something I don’t want rather than you putting effort in something you do want AND is available?

Mirta.5029:

Rammie.2843:

It doesn’t make it less annoying.

And the custom arena is already an option. If it is really about testing skill, use that. But to most it isn’t about testing skill, it’s about potential ganking and showing off.

you have to pay for it weekly. If it was a one time buy, then sure we could get that, but now it’s essentially like paying a weekly subscription for one feature.
And why we need it? Why does the game need anything? Because it’s a fun thing to do with friends.

Then suggest for cheaper/no costs. Still not a reason to put in a dueling option. And saying it’s fun… makes saying “it’s not fun” equally valid.

How would you have to put effort into anything more than what you do already? You wouldn’t…lame excuse. Let me guess, you also get mad when people are costume brawling right…they must be impeding your gameplay and constantly challenging you to duels.

I don’t mind costume brawls. I don’t mind them and I don’t participate in them. However, due to their design, I also don’t need to block them. And a free for all rumble is hardly a tool measuring contest like duels. Nice try, but not quite.

Nice try? So what you are really saying is if duels were implemented like costume brawls, where you needed a special tonic or something in order to challenge people, and could only challenge people who have the same tonic..then you would be fine with it? Quite right. Thanks.

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It is a combat system in the PvE environment that takes your worn gear into account and gives you skills based on that gear with a winner and loser.

The only thing that makes it not a duel is more than 2 people can participate at a time.

Sounds like you are rationalizing right now… Or would you like to renege on your dueling stance again? Perhaps you do get costume brawl spammed?

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.

Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.

Bugs.1287:

+1 to this i vote for 1v1 too
can someone give a good or famous mmorpg games with killing stunning skill without any 1v1

GW1.

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.

Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.

So you don’t mind it when its two costumes going at it, but do mind when it’s two people going at it…both of which would never include you if you wished. It’s cool to flip flop, if you want. It’s pretty clear there is no compromise with you.

dcypher.2590:

Neural.1824:

Vayne.8563:

But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…

…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.

Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.

Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.

No-one needs to know you. Your acidic commentary and attitude in this thread speak volumes about you.

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.

Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.

So you don’t mind it when its two costumes going at it, but do mind when it’s two people going at it…both of which would never include you if you wished. It’s cool to flip flop, if you want. It’s pretty clear there is no compromise with you.

Nail on head Dcypher

• Dueling cannot be in Major cities
• Dueling cannot be in Exploration zones
• Dueling cannot be invite based (A refuse all duel option isn’t enough)
• Dueling cannot have any achievements associated with it.
• Dueling needs to have it’s own zone (But not too much time spent on it)
• Dueling issues cannot be spoken of on the forums.
• Duelist must be in ridiculous costumes during duels

If all those are met then they would still have a problem with dueling. Because it comes back to they don’t like it personally and so they don’t want anyone to have it.

Lokki.1092:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

dcypher.2590:

Rammie.2843:

What you’re gleefully neglecting is the fact that the costume brawl transforms you into something ridiculous. It completely takes away the serious business aspect of a duel. It’s basically just buttonmashing as some creature.

Not as close to a duel as you’d like… sorry.

It’s not as far off as you’d like to believe but keep telling yourself that. Why couldn’t dueling have the same requirements…just not in a ridiculous costume and with real class skills? You pretty much said you’d be fine with it if it were like that, so I don’t see why you continue to argue it. If dueling was like costume brawls in that both participants needed a tonic to even be challenged, then nothing is imposed on you.

Because i assumed the costume part combined with creature skills was implied. Obviously that was a mistake and I have overestimated you.

So you don’t mind it when its two costumes going at it, but do mind when it’s two people going at it…both of which would never include you if you wished. It’s cool to flip flop, if you want. It’s pretty clear there is no compromise with you.

Nail on head Dcypher

• Dueling cannot be in Major cities
• Dueling cannot be in Exploration zones
• Dueling cannot be invite based (A refuse all duel option isn’t enough)
• Dueling cannot have any achievements associated with it.
• Dueling needs to have it’s own zone (But not too much time spent on it)
• Dueling issues cannot be spoken of on the forums.
• Duelist must be in ridiculous costumes during duels

If all those are met then they would still have a problem with dueling. Because it comes back to they don’t like it personally and so they don’t want anyone to have it.

Yea, that’s pretty much where I was going with that. At least Vayne and a couple others wanted compromise. I don’t see what the big deal is if that list is met.

Neural.1824:

dcypher.2590:

Neural.1824:

Vayne.8563:

But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…

…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.

Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.

Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.

No-one needs to know you. Your acidic commentary and attitude in this thread speak volumes about you.

At the very least I’m on topic…you on the other hand are out in left field sulking for some reason instead of adding anything constructive. Stop derailing the thread, please.

dcypher.2590:

Yea, that’s pretty much where I was going with that. At least Vayne and a couple others wanted compromise. I don’t see what the big deal is if that list is met.

To be fair even if nothing on the list was met it wouldn’t be a big deal.

Duelist in every game relegate themselves to an area (generally easily accessible) but away from the masses because they don’t want to deal with “lag” issues.

Dueling griefing is not and has not been a major problem in any MMO.

That doesn’t mean it wont happen, people can be jerks but a person that challenges you to a duel and starts to harass you is not different than a person that harasses you for dying in your fractal run, or the mesmer that portal bombs a chest or other event locations, or the musical instrument griefing, or the food table spam that has become so popular recently.

The idea of not adding content because someone may be a jerk to someone else because of it is silly. Sure some people may have been slightly inconvenienced because of the musical instruments but look now, Anet fixed the griefing, People who like to play their music can, and people who care less can continue to care less.

Lokki.1092:

dcypher.2590:

Yea, that’s pretty much where I was going with that. At least Vayne and a couple others wanted compromise. I don’t see what the big deal is if that list is met.

To be fair even if nothing on the list was met it wouldn’t be a big deal.

Duelist in every game relegate themselves to an area (generally easily accessible) but away from the masses because they don’t want to deal with “lag” issues.

Dueling griefing is not and has not been a major problem in any MMO.

That doesn’t mean it wont happen, people can be jerks but a person that challenges you to a duel and starts to harass you is not different than a person that harasses you for dying in your fractal run, or the mesmer that portal bombs a chest or other event locations, or the musical instrument griefing, or the food table spam that has become so popular recently.

The idea of not adding content because someone may be a jerk to someone else because of it is silly. Sure some people may have been slightly inconvenienced because of the musical instruments but look now, Anet fixed the griefing, People who like to play their music can, and people who care less can continue to care less.

QFT and inb4 “not true, a duel spammer followed me for months! Literally MONTHS! Just requesting duels!! The game was literally unplayable!! this is why duels shouldn’t be in GW2!”

Scrambles.2604:

QFT and inb4 “not true, a duel spammer followed me for months! Literally MONTHS! Just requesting duels!! The game was literally unplayable!! this is why duels shouldn’t be in GW2!”

1. You couldn’t switch the dueling off in the options?
2. You couldn’t report the person for harassment?
3. You couldn’t block them?

Also how did the person know exactly when you’ll be online, in what zone and in which part of the zone?

Scrambles.2604:

Poledo.3256:

Scrambles.2604:

Duels would be awesome. Just thought i would show my support before this is merged into the suggestions forum.

This thread pops up every so often and it’s good to see more supporters this time around. However, i do recognize a lot of the same naysayers from the previous duel threads advocating against it without any supporting argument.

They should just have a vote for duels in game like the Kiel vs Gnashblade. Better indicator of player feelings than the small % of us that lurk the forums.

What kind of supporting argument would you like? Would I like dueling in the game? No. Why do I need to support that? Would you like dueling? Yes. What more do you need to support this? It’s very cut and dry.

I’ve already stated my opinion as to why already however above, it has just as much as weight as any reason in favor of it. Personally I would prefer the game had no PvP at all, but that’s me.

I do however respect you desire for it. If they implement I will be happy for those who wanted it. I’ll be disappointed of course but c’est la vie.

I would prefer a supporting argument of the reasonable persuasion. I would consider a reasonable objection would be if something implemented actually impeded your ability to play.

It is very easy to avoid duels if you wanted to, at least, if my experience with duels in other games is a predictor of anything.

Considering we know nothing about if/how it would be implemented, it’s hard to argue “i’ll get duel spammed” or “people will duel troll the TP” because we don’t know what safeguards will be in place to prevent abuse, which i imagine they will.

But saying no to duels “becuase i don’t like it” would be the same as if i said they shouldn’t add any more jumping puzzles “becuase i dont like it.” I won’t advocate against an area of gameplay i don’t personally prefer when it doesn’t effect me.

I don’t think you went back and read my original post I was referring to. Although “I don’t like it” is a valid reason if in fact someone does not like it. However what I was talking about is what it breeds. It begets the “nerf X class” because I got killed by them in 1v1. Which begets the argument “the game isn’t balanced around 1v1!”. Then that argument will go around for a while. Then we’ll start seeing classes being “balanced” around these complaints. Then that class you loved playing so much is no longer the same as it used to be. You are frustrated because you spent all your laurels on the class, you have your legendary on that character but not you are just not enjoying it anymore and you either pick up a new class or give up.

I am not exaggerating, I have seen it happen time and time again. If you want to argue that it won’t, that’s fine, but we will never see eye to eye on this point. I’ve watched it happen Since EQ1 when I used to play nothing but PvP, through 30 or so MMO’s since where I no longer touch PvP.

So when you ask for justified reasons, I think I have one.

Poledo.3256:

Scrambles.2604:

Poledo.3256:

Scrambles.2604:

Duels would be awesome. Just thought i would show my support before this is merged into the suggestions forum.

This thread pops up every so often and it’s good to see more supporters this time around. However, i do recognize a lot of the same naysayers from the previous duel threads advocating against it without any supporting argument.

They should just have a vote for duels in game like the Kiel vs Gnashblade. Better indicator of player feelings than the small % of us that lurk the forums.

What kind of supporting argument would you like? Would I like dueling in the game? No. Why do I need to support that? Would you like dueling? Yes. What more do you need to support this? It’s very cut and dry.

I’ve already stated my opinion as to why already however above, it has just as much as weight as any reason in favor of it. Personally I would prefer the game had no PvP at all, but that’s me.

I do however respect you desire for it. If they implement I will be happy for those who wanted it. I’ll be disappointed of course but c’est la vie.

I would prefer a supporting argument of the reasonable persuasion. I would consider a reasonable objection would be if something implemented actually impeded your ability to play.

It is very easy to avoid duels if you wanted to, at least, if my experience with duels in other games is a predictor of anything.

Considering we know nothing about if/how it would be implemented, it’s hard to argue “i’ll get duel spammed” or “people will duel troll the TP” because we don’t know what safeguards will be in place to prevent abuse, which i imagine they will.

But saying no to duels “becuase i don’t like it” would be the same as if i said they shouldn’t add any more jumping puzzles “becuase i dont like it.” I won’t advocate against an area of gameplay i don’t personally prefer when it doesn’t effect me.

I don’t think you went back and read my original post I was referring to. Although “I don’t like it” is a valid reason if in fact someone does not like it. However what I was talking about is what it breeds. It begets the “nerf X class” because I got killed by them in 1v1. Which begets the argument “the game isn’t balanced around 1v1!”. Then that argument will go around for a while. Then we’ll start seeing classes being “balanced” around these complaints. Then that class you loved playing so much is no longer the same as it used to be. You are frustrated because you spent all your laurels on the class, you have your legendary on that character but not you are just not enjoying it anymore and you either pick up a new class or give up.

I am not exaggerating, I have seen it happen time and time again. If you want to argue that it won’t, that’s fine, but we will never see eye to eye on this point. I’ve watched it happen Since EQ1 when I used to play nothing but PvP, through 30 or so MMO’s since where I no longer touch PvP.

So when you ask for justified reasons, I think I have one.

i guess you’re right, in that case. 1v1 balance is never mentioned, and there is most certainly not a post on the front page of general about 1v1 class balance. Come to think of it, i have never considered measuring 1 classes abilities against another, since there is currently no way to battle someone 1v1.

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Making fun of those people doesn’t help your cause. It just scares them more.

It’s true players that PvP have thicker skin because they know that winning at losing is about 50/50. The sentiment of “you are going to die a lot” is stapled on every PvP guide in every PvP game because it’s true. They expect to lose even if they don’t like to lose. It goes with the territory.

You have to remember players that PvE only don’t have that expectation, in fact PvE only players have the opposite expectation. Dying is akin to failure, and something that should never happen to them if they are playing correctly and well. Helping them to understand that PvP isn’t that scary and explain that not only is it OK to lose from time to time but that it should be expected, perhaps would be a better use of your time and effort than poking fun at them.

Because what you are doing now will definitely not cause people to flock to the Idea of dueling is good.

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I count 30 different people in this thread – give or take a few either way. You were saying?

-edit- When you don’t care about people’s input or feedback, they tend not to care about yours.

The nay-sayers never fail to disappoint, one of them actually said “id prefer if this game had no PVP at all!” (seriously, in page 2 i think)

Please Arenanet, tell us what YOU think.

You should go to LA and ask mapchat who wants duels in the game, that would provide a more representative sample than the same 30 people that show up every time a duel thread is started.

In my experience from LA chatter, most people are either in favor of it, or want to bang my mom. Come to think of it, maybe LA isn’t the best sample…

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I count 30 different people in this thread – give or take a few either way. You were saying?

-edit- When you don’t care about people’s input or feedback, they tend not to care about yours.

This thread comes up all the time. People ask for it all the time. You’ll see another one asking about dueling in another few days. Unless the people wanting my opinion on it are devs, I couldn’t care less. I left my thoughts on being for it already.

aaron.7850:

The nay-sayers never fail to disappoint, one of them actually said “id prefer if this game had no PVP at all!” (seriously, in page 2 i think)

Please Arenanet, tell us what YOU think.

That would be me. Obviously you disagree. Oh what a wonderful world where we can have diverse and varying opinions. I don’t like PvP or what it brings to an MMO. You definitely don’t need to agree. However if you are going to put your opinion out there, expect some people to not agree with you. Anet has PvP in the game so I guess you know what they think. I find life is much more simple when you learn that not everything is going to be just as you desire it.

I agree

/duel has SO MANY pros against to few or none cons.

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I also think that is will be implemented at some point.

My only concern, is it will be gutted due to complaints on the forums, like when the half-baked combat logs and parsing were added for SWTOR in an attempt to satisfy the combat data crowd and the anti-combat data crowd.

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I count 30 different people in this thread – give or take a few either way. You were saying?

-edit- When you don’t care about people’s input or feedback, they tend not to care about yours.

This thread comes up all the time. People ask for it all the time. You’ll see another one asking about dueling in another few days. Unless the people wanting my opinion on it are devs, I couldn’t care less. I left my thoughts on being for it already.

You’ll find the same people in most of those threads, it hardly represents the majority of players. These forums on any topic reflect only a vocal minority but they are a great outlet to speak your mind.

Regardless, although I find your attitude lacking, I have no ill will towards you or those who would like to see this implemented. I simply disagree and since you have it in a public forum, and as you say – what is really important is what the Devs think. Then it is just as important for those of us who disagree to speak up as well.

-edit- apparently I like the word “regardless” too much and remedied that.

Scrambles.2604:

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I also think that is will be implemented at some point.

My only concern, is it will be gutted due to complaints on the forums, like when the half-baked combat logs and parsing were added for SWTOR in an attempt to satisfy the combat data crowd and the anti-combat data crowd.

And when that happens, no one is happy. The people that really want it are not happy because the content is broken beyond repair. And the people that don’t want it still have whatever issues they had with it in the first place.

Lokki.1092:

Scrambles.2604:

Araziel.7201:

Poledo.3256:

Araziel.7201:

I love these threads. I always get to see who the guys are that just can’t take it.

I knew a guy on a NWN2 rp server that quit the game after losing a duel. He loved his character roleplayed him as a bad kitten seasoned warrior and just couldn’t take it that he got beat down in seconds. These people remind me of that guy. They are still feeling that beating or afraid it might happen. HILARIOUS!!!

Welcome to why you have no support from your opposition. Try empathy, I hear it works wonders.

Opposition? I’m not in a debate about this. I have absolutely no concern for peoples opinions about a feature that can be turned to auto-decline. To me they are just whining for the sake of it.

I’m about 80% sure dueling will be implemented one day. Too many people want it. Look at the thread.

I also think that is will be implemented at some point.

My only concern, is it will be gutted due to complaints on the forums, like when the half-baked combat logs and parsing were added for SWTOR in an attempt to satisfy the combat data crowd and the anti-combat data crowd.

And when that happens, no one is happy. The people that really want it are not happy because the content is broken beyond repair. And the people that don’t want it still have whatever issues they had with it in the first place.

Actually nothing changed for the people that didn’t want combat logs, since they didn’t use the data anyway. That’s why i have an issue with people that advocate against tools they don’t plan on using.

edit; unless you consider “the world wasn’t overrun with elitists” a change for the anti-combat data crowd.

Scrambles.2604:

You should go to LA and ask mapchat who wants duels in the game, that would provide a more representative sample than the same 30 people that show up every time a duel thread is started.

In my experience from LA chatter, most people are either in favor of it, or want to bang my mom. Come to think of it, maybe LA isn’t the best sample…

lol this is by far the best response in this entire thread….even better than my response a page back

UrMom.4205:

Scrambles.2604:

You should go to LA and ask mapchat who wants duels in the game, that would provide a more representative sample than the same 30 people that show up every time a duel thread is started.

In my experience from LA chatter, most people are either in favor of it, or want to bang my mom. Come to think of it, maybe LA isn’t the best sample…

lol this is by far the best response in this entire thread….even better than my response a page back

I missed that. Too funny, and perhaps too true. I had a good laugh though

Gehenna.3625:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Trying to disenfranchise others by calling them selfish — or any other negative — is a sign of immaturity.

Can you see why I think this is very funny?

My post does not attempt to invalidate a request for dueling, it attempts to invalidate invalidation. Can you see the difference?

dcypher.2590:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’m not against dueling with restrictions.

That said, posters who say something to the effect that, “Your desire to not have dueling is selfish, but my desire to have dueling is right and wonderful.” are not doing their side of the discussion any favors. This is a game. Everyone has wants. No one’s wants are more important than anyone else’s. Trying to disenfranchise others by calling them selfish — or any other negative — is a sign of immaturity.

Immaturity? Oh Please, I barely even stated my wants if you read. All I did was poke holes in arguments that are based on preconceptions and complete disregard for people who may benefit from the system.

Oh? You don’t want dueling? You tried to poke holes in arguments? Some of your comments show disregard for the concerns of the people who oppose dueling The only people you’re convincing with those arguments are the ones who already agree with you. However, your later posts seem to be taking a different tone, so thanks for that.

Neural.1824:

dcypher.2590:

Neural.1824:

Vayne.8563:

But if you weren’t so anxious to prove me wrong,…

…So far, in an attempt to prove your point, you’ve managed to seem unreasonable and attack what I’m saying…trying to make it about me. Maybe you should read the posts by other people like me, and reconsider your response.

Just imagine how he’d act if dueling were to be implemented. He’s a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be put in.

Excuse me? You don’t know how I play, or pretty much anything about me. Try adding something constructive to the conversation before taking shots at me, acting like you know something you don’t.

No-one needs to know you. Your acidic commentary and attitude in this thread speak volumes about you.

I don’t agree with everything dcypher has said. However, he’s actually posting arguments that are working towards a compromise — one that allows people to duel while taking the concerns of those who oppose it into account. Your personal attacks are the acidic commentary and attitude that the thread does not need.

Scrambles.2604:

Actually nothing changed for the people that didn’t want combat logs, since they didn’t use the data anyway. That’s why i have an issue with people that advocate against tools they don’t plan on using.

edit; unless you consider “the world wasn’t overrun with elitists” a change for the anti-combat data crowd.

Don’t know if I can agree with that first part. In my own guild the logs did at least help to identify DPS that needed help with builds and rotations and led us to trying to do so, but also led to the backlash of people who hated the idea of meters in the first place.

I know there was some problems when people started to ask others if they were on ask mr robot.

Either way I don’t want to derail, and I agree that if you don’t plan to use the dueling feature then it will not effect you much if at all. Only the hypersensitive seem to have a problem with it sadly.

Hello there guys, I play video games for 12 years, i am 19 years old.My name is Alex.. I used to play many games such us Lineage 2,World Of Warcraft,Dota,League of legends,Aion,Tera,many Fps,Mobas and MMos..I Bored all of them, so last month i decided to Buy Guild wars 2, Because it has so many things to do, that other games havent.Different style of Leveling,WvW,Vistas,Giant exploration and good graphics. Firstly i complained about mounts, but then i saw that it isnt needed cause we have fast Teleport such us Skyrim! But when i realised that this game hasnt DUELING system(1v1) i was so confused! I am sad that i bought this game because i cant compete with my friend, or brawl or test our skills for fun! Or train with eachother so i can understand other classes..If this company:Arena net doesnt add Duel system Out of Major citys soon, i will unfortunatelly Leave this game,Such us my other friends.Thanks for listening and i hope Arena net will do something.
Thanks
Alex.

I agree with you to a non-fanatical extent, OP.

Anet must put the trunk and roots on before they put the leaves on. Duelling is not as important as making sure the game is bug-free, professional and that the content is enjoyable and provides a GW2-esque experience.

In other words, they’ve a long ways to go yet. Yes, I do want guild housing, duelling, NPCs to experience physics as players do(seeing as how there are so many of them standing on ledges that deserve to be thrown off. One of my only kudos to SWTOR), but If they sacrifice these things to keep the game alive by-and-large, so be it. I also want a basic trading system that doesn’t involve the Black Lion Trading Post and a system that allows for legendaries that is more than just a legendary headache.

But I’m waiting on those. They’ll come in due time. Well, maybe not the legendary part, but the others should come along, and if they don’t, the message is clear and I’ll be on my way just like you.

I’m all for a duelling feature.
A way they could implement it would be to have a large open (not instanced) arena in each city but only have 1 accessible each week.
For example week ones arena could be in Hoelbraks Lake Mourn, week two could be in the Black Citadels The Bane, and so on)
It could possibly liven up the other cities a little and give people more of a reason to go to them to do thing such as spectate, tutor and of course to duel.
If there are problems with lag due to so many duellers in 1 area, allow 2 or more arenas accessible each week.

During those boring times of waiting for events or world bosses to start, it would be awesome to have dueling. Or even when, while “questing” with friends, you want to see whose got “dem skills.” I don’t want to go to some arena where they outfit you with premade gear. I want to fight where I am at the moment, with my current gear, with everyone around to watch (me lose haha).

For a game supposedly taking a giant leap forward, it takes one back without having dueling, a SIMPLE addition I might add.

Daishi.6027:

Necros are broken right now A-net can’t Handel more people getting mad at this. An they haven’t changed it cuz of pax. /gg

Fixed it for you.

Dueling could be implemented in ways that address the concerns of everyone.

If people are fine with costume brawling it holds no sense at all why they wouldn’t be with dueling.

“I don’t mind costume brawls. I don’t mind them and I don’t participate in them.”

Dueling would be just like that. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want to. Dueling isn’t a serious aspect to people who actually want it and don’t mind it. It’s for fun with friends and people who don’t mind a harmless contest. And that shouldn’t bother you in any way considering you wouldn’t be participating in it in the first place. If you can go on playing the game while other people are costume brawling then why not when they’re dueling? If people are going to grief you, they can do it with any aspect of the game that already exists, and if that’s your big argument for not wanting dueling then you shouldn’t play any online game full stop.

Dcypher and others have made a lot of valid points for dueling, while all I see for the argument against dueling is “REQUEST SPAMS” which is very easily avoided, and is pretty much already implemented with the costume tonics. Is it really that hard to tick the “Decline all duels” box once and be done with it?

Slcrisis.6930:

Dcypher and others have made a lot of valid points for dueling, while all I see for the argument against dueling is “REQUEST SPAMS” which is very easily avoided, and is pretty much already implemented with the costume tonics. Is it really that hard to tick the “Decline all duels” box once and be done with it?

Then you didn’t read through the thread carefully. There are a lot of posts from people who would not like to see open world dueling covering how they feel it would affect various aspects of the game negatively. I’m not going to hash them all out in one post for you but they are there, just take another look.

Make sure you read this thread as well.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Open-world-Duels-Merged/

Hello Forum,

I just started this game with my friend recently, And I think dueling would be a very nice feature, if not /duel then atleast an instace area or something I can go into with my friend and 1v1.

I don’t really understand the naysayers, with a toggle allow duels option – there would be no downsides in my opinion.

I could have friendly 1 v 1s with my friends, which would drive me to want to play more – I’m sure there are other ways we could compete but there would be nothing as fun as a test of skills/pride of gear type dealio Id get when vsing a friend.

I relise there is plently of pvp options already also, but as i stated – being a new player level only in the mid 30s im not really interested in the pvp because I know very little about the game and would most likely just get destroyed , just the compition with my friend.

I think it would be a great addition, That and lazors

because Anet don’t care.

Dueling doesn’t matter to them. You are still playing the game aren’t you?
As long as you are still playing, you are being tempted to buy gems.
Buying Gems is their business model. Its how they keep the game profitable. As long as people are playing there are things they wont mind dropping a couple bucks for gems on.

Did you ever notice that they spend tons of time and effort tweaking the gem store and adding things to the game that make you keep going back to the gem store?

If you said no, you are not paying attention.

Infinite Continue Coin comes to mind immediately. 600 gems for a temporary item?! LMFAO. You have got to be stupid to buy that. Yea, its temporary cuz its only good while the event is on during September.

Dueling, pft. Where is the money for Anet in that?