Guild Wars 2

Hello fellow Tyrians,

It’s been a year now and I have gathered enough information on how much of an issue this has become throughout some of the North American servers. The problem right now is that there is a language barrier between two types of communities that play in NA servers. This is based of experiences that players in NA have encountered and some of my own.

• They have 200ms+ ping and have a huge delay. When attempting to play Wvw I always notice them teleporting around and being useless when it comes to fights(sorry). I have literally witnessed a zerg of around 20-25 Brazilian guild members get defeated by 7-10 players of the enemy players because they were just swinging their swords and casting delayed spells onto the battle field. The commanders try to command people in Portuguese and the organization fails horribly.

• The language barrier- Before gw2 launched Anet you stated that only players from North America would be allowed to play on NA servers. I understand things change, but why don’t we have a server made for them like you do in Europe for DE and FR speaking players? They have proven to be a vast majority of a population when it comes to gaming. It’s often displeasing to see them spam recruitment chat in Mapchat.

• In dungeons and Fractals, myself and others have avoided inviting them into our groups due to the language barrier. I often feel sad enough to reject them from our group or see them as one less player that we can have to move forward, but it gets rather difficult to explain things and most of the time a dungeon needs organization.

-TLDR
Arena Net you want a competitive scene in wvw so please do not render certain servers handicap because of players from Brazil have high ping and render themselves almost useless in battle. Please allow them and anyone else to have a free server transfer to a South American/Latin server so we can have competitive play.

They unfortunately segregate themselves from everyone else as it is so this should not be an issue to them.

Please and Thank you.

I understand the problem with the language barrier, but the latency? I mean, of course they have problems with it, but players from Australia must have even worse latency and I don’t see people wanting them out of their servers…

Anyway, I never had this kind of problem, but I’m playing on TC and I heard Darkhaven was the server the bigger Brazilian guilds choose to play on, so I guess you guys must have a bigger problem with them than we do.

I’m ok with giving them a choice. Letting them transfer to a Brazilian server if they want to, I mean, and not forcing them out of Darkhaven or out of any other server that they might play on.

I’m ok with giving them (us, I confess) their (our) own server. And giving us the OPTION to switch.
But I have some points to say (please don’t misunderstand what i’ll say, since I have no intention to be rude):
1 – Most of Brazilians in MMOs don’t have the language issue neither high ping issue. Also, most of brazilians are not in BR guilds, specially in GW2. The brazilians in BR guilds are usually (not always) the ones that do have language issues. And this “language issues” are mostly because our average age from MMO players is low, compared to most of the countries (adults playing games is some kind of taboo here, in some families) . But as I said, most brazilians are not in Br guilds, and you don’t even realize who they are between the game population. You might see english mistakes in my post, but you can clearly understand, right? I see native english speakers doing worst than I do.
2 – I used to think Br ping problem was terrible, since we have low quality internet here. But after one year of GW2 and some other games before, I realize most of North Americans have almost as much lag problems as we do. I see North Americans teleporting too, and its not that rare.
3 – If we paid for the game, and we are allowed to play the game, then we are allowed to speak portuguese in the chats. Just like I see people speaking russian, german, spanish, and so on (in NA servers). I see guilds spamming everywhere, in every language. But most of the spam is in english, because most of the players speak english. So I believe every nationality spams relatively the same, you just think brazilians do more spam because you are not used to portuguese, so it might be just a psychological mistake.
4 – Even if we have a terrible ping and so terrible fighters for wvw… How can 30 terrible fighters be worst than no fighters at all? They might play badly because of ping… But at least they are there to play for your server (which is stronger than my, by the way).
5 – But I’m not from DH (and I assume you are), I can’t really say I understand the problems you are complaining about. But if it’s so bad at DH, the same does not applies to the other servers. Creating a Br server, in portuguese, based on Brazil, just to “save” DH from our bad connection and our language… Might not be worth. And it make way to many other countries demand their own servers or demand server for nationalities that are causing problems to their own game experience. Maybe at some point, but for now I don’t think there is enough brazilians and south americans in GW2 to make it worth creating a bunch of servers in south america (have to be “a bunch”, or they will have no wvw), the created servers would be empty.
So, if they cause so many troubles to your game experience, might be easier to switch servers yourself, than asking all of them to change. I’m in HoD, and Br population here is very small, for example.
Again, I didn’t meant to be rude. And I hope I hasn’t sounded like that.

Gabby.3205:

of course they have problems with it, but players from Australia must have even worse latency and I don’t see people wanting them out of their servers…

You have no idea how frustrating it is to be swinging a sword at someone when you’re standing on top of them, and to see ‘miss’ repeatedly. Or being hit by a melee when they’re chasing you and aren’t near you on your screen. Or that dodge roll on your screen is instant, but only evades 0.5 second or more into the animation you see. Dodging becomes a luck thing in about 30% of non-pve dodge attempts. The delayed dodging also makes it impossible to break a poorly timed stunlock if your stun breakers or stability are down. If we didn’t have invulnerability for one second after being res’d, I think we’d get annihilated even harder :p

It is annoying in wvw, but there’s nothing we can do about it, so we try to adapt, or play ranged so we don’t get ‘miss’ spam when in melee chasing someone, homing leaps/teleports do help this greatly though in terms of getting your server-self near the enemy as well as your client-side-self. Those skills are pretty much necessary to melee in wvw, pvp it isn’t as bad due to having capture points, there is less kiting for the most part. I don’t play thief anymore purely because it is impossible to play melee dagger backstabber with it, when on your screen you’re doing one thing, but your server ghost is doing another. It is a guessing game.

I can almost always tell if I’m fighting an American thief purely from the way they lands hits (especially backstabs) with such consistent ease.

Of course this is just my observation and I do not speak for all players. And sorry for the wall text :p I hope it provides some insight into how we try to adapt in the fight against delay.

Basara.9405:

3 – If we paid for the game, and we are allowed to play the game, then we are allowed to speak portuguese in the chats. Just like I see people speaking russian, german, spanish, and so on (in NA servers). I see guilds spamming everywhere, in every language. But most of the spam is in english, because most of the players speak english. So I believe every nationality spams relatively the same, you just think brazilians do more spam because you are not used to portuguese, so it might be just a psychological mistake.
So, if they cause so many troubles to your game experience, might be easier to switch servers yourself, than asking all of them to change. I’m in HoD, and Br population here is very small, for example.

I don’t think you fully understand what the term “spamming” means. HoD is a North American server, hence, most of us speak English. So it is not abnormal AT ALL for anyone in the North American servers to be speaking English. So for you to say “I see guilds spamming everywhere, in every language. But most of the spam is in english, because most of the players speak english” clearly shows that you do not know what spam actually means. I have seen Brazilians spam in map chat their recruiting message nonstop. And it’s hard to communicate with them to tell them to stop when there’s a language barrier.

It may be easy for you to tell individual players to switch servers, but not when those players are leading a guild. I am on the DH server and I know two guilds that are going to be switching servers and I am hoping I don’t have to do that as well. It may not be a big problem now, but I really don’t want to see my guild be the only English-speaking guild in DH since there’s a large amount of Brazilians on my server.

I really would not mind if the Brazilian guilds would not separate themselves from other guilds. But since they do, I really don’t see the problem with having a different server for them.

^I believe he was saying that american guilds also spam their recruitment message, so I think he knows what spamming means. Because, you know, a lot of guilds do. Just because they are speaking English it doesn’t mean it is not spamming if they keep telling people on /map that they are recruiting every two minutes. Just saying. Carry on.

Biased opinions are not worth caring about, that’s all I have to say. Have a nice day.

Worst topic ever seen in this forum, srlys guys. Stop this no-sense discussion, The fact of players being brazilians have no link with lag and whatever are you saying.

Amandine.7840:

-TLDR
Arena Net you want a competitive scene in wvw so please do not render certain servers handicap because of players from Brazil have high ping and render themselves almost useless in battle. Please allow them and anyone else to have a free server transfer to a South American/Latin server so we can have competitive play.

This is just a lie. You don’t know nothing about how many brazilian players are spreaded through the servers, and how much they are important to the servers.

What you should have seen was some players on wvw who didn’t know what they have to do (such as those in your country who are also everywhere too). But calling brazilian useless you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

About spamming guild recruitment on map chat: If you only see brazilian spamming you’re blinded. Spamming isn’t about where country the spammer live. But If you play on DH obviously you will see more portuguese conversation than other servers, because it’s a server which has a large number of brazilians. Sounds logical, huh ?

Just like Basara I’m a Brazilian playing in HoD, and so far I think I saw about 3 other Brazilians in our server, so I never noticed spams made in portuguese or in any other language besides english, to be honest, but I’ve seem many guild spams in /map.
I know that many players in HoD are from Australia, Singapore and China, or at least my guild have many from those countries, and they also suffer from ping issues and I’m sure that in your server have many players from those countries too, so why pick only with the brazilians?
An optional “BR Server” would be really cool and I’m sure many would love that, but I doubt that would be profitable for Anet, the amount of BRs willing to pay for GW2 is way lower than FR and DE players.

We do need Oceanic server for AU!