Guild Wars 2

For a long time, I Have been thinking about how dervishes could be brought back into the guild wars community, without restricting them to only humans/ worshiping the gods.So then i thought of grim reaper.

What ideas can be merged together to make dervishes in guild wars 2 from grim?
. Well first off, change the name from dervishes to reapers
. Instead of restricting them to humans worshiping the gods, one suggestion is, they should just be able to communicate with the “spirit world”, so in effect have skills like ritualists in guild wars 1.
. Just like a necro’s leech form, one of their elite skills or downed state, could turn them into a skeleton (just like grim reaper) and make them have a massive boost.
. Just like grim himself their main weapon should be a scythe.
. Their long range weapon could be a new type- a long chain with a blade at it’s tip.( picture shown below) which could be about the same as short bow range and thieves should be able to use this as well.
.lastly for a legendary, the scythe could be ghostly and linking to Doom(from guild wars 1 underworld) and the chain could be like the weapon" spirit links" but better
Sorry for all my spelling, grammar etc mistakes if i made any.
PS If this class comes out I would play it on a human, FOR SURE

For those who do not know grim or dervishes, here is a picture that shows what “reapers” would look like:

Hey Black.

I myself am a MASSIVE Derv fan. I and others have made numerous posts on the forum about Dervs for return. (You’ll never find the posts cause the search function in this forum is totally broken). Normally by now you should have had at least 4 “NO WAY NO DERVS” return posts. But you haven’t had one, so to you I say that I think this is one of the strongest Derv suggestion posts there has been so far, great job!

I personally like idea. If I sat and thought about it I would probably give some suggestions for tweaks. But as it stands for a base idea it is very good.

Thank you

Ah, I was woundering why people are not replying to this idea because I really want to know if this would be a good start for the return of dervish. So i would like to know what everyone thinks when read. Thank you.

No to the Class

Yes to Whips/ Chain Sickles as new weapon for Thiefs

No, don’t rename them to Reapers. The Dervish will always be a Dervish and this is how he is supposed to be, at least for me

You don’t have to link them with any god. Dervishes are mystics, they believe in something but it hasn’t to be the same thing and not forcibly something godly. It can be a spiritual truth or ultimate reality as well. Even the dervishes in real-life have different orders and they differentiate in their beliefs. As this is a game there is even more free room about them. Again in general: They are mystics, not forcibly believing in a god.

They could be the perfect missing 3rd heavy armor class, introducing a new style of heavy armor which combines a hooded robe with metal plates over some parts of it, exactly like the Monument armor in GW1 or even now in GW2 the Draconic armor, which follows this concept combining a robe with metal plates over it.

They have access to a new weapon, the Scythe, their melee weapon. As the Dervishes are a magic touched class (even in GW1 you could play them with Staff and Scepter/Focus as heal), you also have access to Staff, Scepter, Focus, Torch and maybe Daggers as extra melee weapon.

Of course he wouldn’t get a second Guardian, all his skillpool and traits would be more offensive than the Guardian but still more defensive compared with Warrior or Thief. The Dervish feels a bit slow, as it was in GW1, but to compensate that he has strong AoE ranged attacks and also good protective skills. If you remember some of the skills in GW1, especially in Earth and Wind Prayers, many of them would fit perfectly into GW2 and don’t forget the new tools here. The Dervish could be really cool here.

I think that the Dervish would fit very well into GW2, especially when Elona would be playable in GW2 in wide future. This is just how I see it.

To get a picture in people’s minds of, just how cool this new profession could be in guild wars 2, this is what I was suggesting. In the picture below a ‘skeleton man’ is holding a scythe, which will be the main, two handed weapon. Your ‘reaper’ or dervish, would have cool robes and when downed you could end up looking like a skeleton!
I was also thinking, some of the skills could have an effect which makes reapers steal life from their opponent. It makes sense since Grim Reaper himself is the god of death^^

I like the idea, but as Anet would probably tell you. It needs to feel special and stand out from any of the other professions, and have a achetype which Gw2 does not allready have, or atleast be not as similar. Just to say a few things you need to consider.

Carlos.4371:

I think that the Dervish would fit very well into GW2, especially when Elona would be playable in GW2 in wide future. This is just how I see it.

You know, except for the fact that none of the races believe in the human gods except for the humans. and like it or not, the dervishes powers were highly linked to the human gods, the names of the gods even being referenced in the names of the skills.

Zayd Akira.1942:

You know, except for the fact that none of the races believe in the human gods except for the humans. and like it or not, the dervishes powers were highly linked to the human gods, the names of the gods even being referenced in the names of the skills.

You are right on this point, but you didn’t read the upper part of the post, didn’t you? ^^
Again, dervishes are mystics, they don’t forcibly have to believe in a god. Yes, in GW1 they were linked quite much to the human gods but times have changed, people always forget this.

An example: After Pala Joko took the reign over Elona, the Paragons which moved to Tyria got to Guardians. What were Paragons? A quote of their lore: “Paragons are touched by the gods, chosen by them to serve as emissaries among mortals”. Just as an example. And now why should a Dervish be unlogical in GW2? Following the fact about the Paragons, the Dervishes may have lost the faith to the human gods, and now they are seeking a new truth, a new spritual truth or ultimate reality. This is mysticism, where their beliefs can be anything. So it fits to any race of Tyria.

If they ever bring the Dervish in guild wars 2 it would be called the Acolyte of the six.

Carlos.4371:

Zayd Akira.1942:

You know, except for the fact that none of the races believe in the human gods except for the humans. and like it or not, the dervishes powers were highly linked to the human gods, the names of the gods even being referenced in the names of the skills.

You are right on this point, but you didn’t read the upper part of the post, didn’t you? ^^
Again, dervishes are mystics, they don’t forcibly have to believe in a god. Yes, in GW1 they were linked quite much to the human gods but times have changed, people always forget this.

An example: After Pala Joko took the reign over Elona, the Paragons which moved to Tyria got to Guardians. What were Paragons? A quote of their lore: “Paragons are touched by the gods, chosen by them to serve as emissaries among mortals”. Just as an example. And now why should a Dervish be unlogical in GW2? Following the fact about the Paragons, the Dervishes may have lost the faith to the human gods, and now they are seeking a new truth, a new spritual truth or ultimate reality. This is mysticism, where their beliefs can be anything. So it fits to any race of Tyria.

Paragons =/= Guardians. they’re totally different. The role they fill in PvE and PvP may be similar, but this doesn’t mean there is any relation.
Saying they’re mystics and don’t have to believe in a god doesn’t hide the fact that they derive all their power from the six human gods, which no other race believes in.

These ridiculous wannabe cool gimmick classes have to die out finally.

Seriously, why are so many people so silly as kitten fascinated about running around as something that looks like the grim reaper and basically plays like a grim reaper (death), when the game already has exactly this.

If you want to run around as a stupid grim reaper clone, then just play as Staff Necromancer in a mixture of Cabbalist/Shadow/Arah Armor or so colored completely in black wielding Final Rest as staff..

Than you have your silly grim reaper that is totally non unique as all silly gimmick classes are ununique as everyone that thies hard to be a childish wannabe cool ripper assigned to death will run around with such a character in exactly the same colors with exactly the same weapon ect. pp

Why was Dervish liked so much in GW1?

Surely because it gets mostly hyped by the try hard wanna be cool-kiddies that want to run around as “Death” and kill enemies just by a scythe desperatelyv as its the weapon of choice by Death himself.

Wouldn’t Death wield a scythe and wouldn’t Dervishs be such wannabe deaths in regard of their class design, I’m 100% sure, this class would get THIS kind of hype…

To me, they never fitted to the game’s world, same as like paragons, as they were also a stupid gimmick class based around beign the counterpart of the dervish beng the silly Wannabe Angels of Tyria (Hymns/Singing and skilsl that let angel wings appear together wirth a All white armor design that made the whole class the most boring class in regard of their armors, as they looked always very similar)

The best way the Scythe should find its way into the game in a physical gameplay is as RESKIN of a Halberd… so so called “WAR SCYTHE” as the scythe was never meant to be a weapon at all.. its a TOOL, no weapon unlike the War Scythe that has been developed from the scythe to be used as weapon in fights.

http://demonssouls.wdfiles.com/local--files/spear/war-scythe-on-hand.jpg
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Some peopls said it themself, Dervishs are “Mystics”, so if you really want them so badly back, then start reinventing them as what you call them.

Mystics!! Mystics already exist in the lore among the Priory of Durmand if you followed what one of their npcs says within the personal story….(that one female white haired norn)

So and to end my rant with something creative and constructive, I’ll try my luck at concepting the derv new as Mystic, so that the class will feel unique, non focused on scythes and any other lore stuff that makes this class otherwise impossible to be implemented due to lore being impossible to beign mixed into the lore of the other playable races as they don’t have anythign to do with the human gods

Zayd Akira.1942:

Paragons =/= Guardians. they’re totally different. The role they fill in PvE and PvP may be similar, but this doesn’t mean there is any relation.

So Paragons and Guardians don’t have any relation you say? ^^

People forgot the interview with Jeff Grubb and Eric FlanummI om massively, a quote:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/31/behind-the-scenes-with-the-guild-wars-2-guardian-massivelys-in/

Question: “Is there a story behind the Guardian on the lore end of things? Do you have any thoughts on how it came to be?”

Jeff Grubb: “With the turmoil in Elona and the spread of the Order of Whispers into other lands, more Paragon teaching showed elsewhere in Tyria. These teachings melded with other traditions, and over time, the Guardians and their abilities can be found throughout the world and among all the races. They are not tied to a particular race, philosophy, or group of gods but rather to a larger concept of proactive defense, of taking the fight to a foe and protecting those you fight alongside while appealing equally to humanity’s defensive nature and the Charr’s desire to rule the battlefield”.

Without the Paragons teachings and their source of power the Guardians wouldn’t have existed. Of course the Guardians have other influences as well, but most comes of the Elonian Paragons. Again, other influences as well, but even the game declares the Guardian more as a Paragon…“Champion Paragon” title for example when you have 150 Tourney wins.

Zayd Akira.1942:

Saying they’re mystics and don’t have to believe in a god doesn’t hide the fact that they derive all their power from the six human gods, which no other race believes in.

Are the Paragons different about their source of power? According to the Paragon lore they are chosen ones by the gods and send to Tyria as emissaries. This makes them even more linked to the gods than a Dervish ever could be…

“Paragons are touched by the gods, chosen by them to serve as emissaries among mortals. At some point in their lives, each Paragon has experienced an event in which he should have died but did not. Paragons ascribe their survival to the gods themselves, and dedicate their lives as the gods’ servants in the mortal world”