Guild Wars 2

With the addition of the Daily and Montly PvP achievement rewards, the WvsW kills portion of the general monthly achievement seems unnecessary. Additionally, it is unfair to those who have little to no interest in any form of PvP to be forced into doing something to complete a reward that is primarily PvE based.

Making a separate reward for WvsW (as there already is for sPvP) would make things more fair, and allow more players to collect a monthly reward for the effort that they already put forth.

Moving it to the ‘Monthly PvP’ category would be best… since no matter who you are you won’t convince me WvW isn’t PvP

It does seem like the achievements are geared more towards PvP fanatics though – I mean the points are useless so who would care about them aside from people in PvP constantly?

I did when doing the daily as I leveled up low characters, but aside that completing them isn’t important and it takes me less than a month to get a character to level 80 so – it’s not like I need the reward from monthly to help me level faster.

Honestly I would love to see them put a requirement in the Monthly PvP category for players to have to craft (not loot) PvP armor, only seems fair that they inhibit those folks since they’re more likely than not to continue inhibiting PvE players as far as the monthly goes.

The requirements for your monthly WvWvW kills is very low, I can spend an hour in a WvWvW match and complete it.

Even if you don’t like WvWvW it is still not that hard, it is not like Anet is saying you have to spend 2 weeks trying to achieve this.

Kaimick.5109:

The requirements for your monthly WvWvW kills is very low, I can spend an hour in a WvWvW match and complete it.

Even if you don’t like WvWvW it is still not that hard, it is not like Anet is saying you have to spend 2 weeks trying to achieve this.

There’s only one reason I’ll never get the monthly completion, requiring me to kill other players at all is stupid. I don’t give a kitten how fun it can be or how little time it may take, it’s just plain stupid and as long as there’s no penalty for PvP fanatics to get their achievements, it’s not balanced (like the rest of the game)

How do you figure there is no penalty?

There are plenty of people I know that never do any WvWvW and just PvP they stay at level 2 and PvP. They can never achieve the monthly or daily. Yet they are not complaining about it, it is a choice.

I am sorry you don’t like PvP but the GW franchise is knowing for their PvP.

Kaimick.5109:

How do you figure there is no penalty?

There are plenty of people I know that never do any WvWvW and just PvP they stay at level 2 and PvP. They can never achieve the monthly or daily. Yet they are not complaining about it, it is a choice.

I am sorry you don’t like PvP but the GW franchise is knowing for their PvP.

What I mean by there’s no penalty is that if you look at the Daily PvP and Monthly PvP categories, they’re rewarded for what they already do nothing new is added as a challenge.

When I want to do the Monthly category (not the PvP one mind you) I have to stop playing the game I enjoy and go into WvW – that’s a penalty. WvW is not PvE and even if it’s not PvP we’re the ones getting no benefits from playing the game since we’re choosing not to play aspects we don’t like. A PvPer that doesn’t want to do WvW – now gets to automatically get achievement rewards for playing the exact same way they have been, and it needs balancing.

Not sure if this is the exact case as I am not on the game.

But Monthly has PvE and PvP both in it, at least the last time I checked it did.

Just checked and yes PvE monthly does have WvWvW for 20 kills you gain completion. take into consideration that WvWvW is a PvE / PvP environment, they have Jumping puzzles and Dungeons there. So it does make sense. Like I said, as I will post a screen shot for you. I can clear my monthly PvE out in about an hour. I played for 20 minutes last night getting to a Jumping puzzle and almost finished it.

Kaimick.5109:

Not sure if this is the exact case as I am not on the game.

But Monthly has PvE and PvP both in it, at least the last time I checked it did.

Recently updated, there are now 4 categories, Daily, Daily PvP, Monthly, and Monthly PvP…

And you know what, if Anet really wants to push WvW on people that’s fine by me. There’s another change they can make that would balance it out too, in Monthly keep a WvW tally – in Monthly PvP put a WvW event completion requirement…

if both categories force people into WvW for at least one thing, then it’s not like people who do only structured PvP are getting rewards for not having to expand their gameplay like us PvE players.

Kaimick.5109:

Not sure if this is the exact case as I am not on the game.

But Monthly has PvE and PvP both in it, at least the last time I checked it did.

Just checked and yes PvE monthly does have WvWvW for 20 kills you gain completion. take into consideration that WvWvW is a PvE / PvP environment, they have Jumping puzzles and Dungeons there. So it does make sense. Like I said, as I will post a screen shot for you. I can clear my monthly PvE out in about an hour. I played for 20 minutes last night getting to a Jumping puzzle and almost finished it.

Bvhjdbvkjf.1987:

Kaimick.5109:

Not sure if this is the exact case as I am not on the game.

But Monthly has PvE and PvP both in it, at least the last time I checked it did.

Recently updated, there are now 4 categories, Daily, Daily PvP, Monthly, and Monthly PvP…

And you know what, if Anet really wants to push WvW on people that’s fine by me. There’s another change they can make that would balance it out too, in Monthly keep a WvW tally – in Monthly PvP put a WvW event completion requirement…

if both categories force people into WvW for at least one thing, then it’s not like people who do only structured PvP are getting rewards for not having to expand their gameplay like us PvE players.

I see your adversity to the WvWvW but I just don’t see it as a big deal honestly 15 kills is nothing.

Kaimick.5109:

Bvhjdbvkjf.1987:

Kaimick.5109:

Not sure if this is the exact case as I am not on the game.

But Monthly has PvE and PvP both in it, at least the last time I checked it did.

Recently updated, there are now 4 categories, Daily, Daily PvP, Monthly, and Monthly PvP…

And you know what, if Anet really wants to push WvW on people that’s fine by me. There’s another change they can make that would balance it out too, in Monthly keep a WvW tally – in Monthly PvP put a WvW event completion requirement…

if both categories force people into WvW for at least one thing, then it’s not like people who do only structured PvP are getting rewards for not having to expand their gameplay like us PvE players.

I see your adversity to the WvWvW but I just don’t see it as a big deal honestly 15 kills is nothing.

This whole thing is not a big deal to me as I tried to first point out in my original reply…

however the fact it’s not balanced isn’t changed – and until such time as it is balanced whether it’s a big deal or not isn’t the issue, it’s the fairness of the game.

One advantage to moving WvW kills to the PvP achievement is it would reduce the load on the WvW maps (i.e. less people would go out to WvW).

Right now having WvW in the PvE achievement forces players that PvE into the WvW zones (if they want the PvE monthly). This hurts everyone because:

1. People who don’t want to WvW are mad because they “have to” for the PvE monthly
2. People who love to WvW have longer queue times because some players are there only for the monthly PvE.

If you move WvW to the PvP monthly the PvE players who hate PvP will never touch it (because there’s no chance of getting the PvP monthly unless you go into s/t PvP).

Another option: make a monthly WvW achievement with 4 WvW type things (keeps taken, dolyaks killed, players killed, etc). The only risk here is possible karma explosion for some players doing all three monthly achievements (45k x3, plus boosters).

WvWvW is A.Net’s big thing, so of course they are going to try and get people to experience it.

This whole thing is not a big deal to me as I tried to first point out in my original reply…
however the fact it’s not balanced isn’t changed – and until such time as it is balanced whether it’s a big deal or not isn’t the issue, it’s the fairness of the game.

But that exact statement say’s it is a Big deal for you, How long does it take you to complete any other part of your Monthly achievements. for me usually a week. In PvP it takes at least a week to do most of the bars.

So in turn your right there is an unbalance. PvP people usually have to spend about a week per a bar to complete one. PvE people can spend one hour and complete a bar.

I mean your hard core players can do it in less time, I know some that can complete all their monthly’s in less than a week. I am stating this to the casual player.

Kaimick.5109:

WvWvW is A.Net’s big thing, so of course they are going to try and get people to experience it.

This whole thing is not a big deal to me as I tried to first point out in my original reply…
however the fact it’s not balanced isn’t changed – and until such time as it is balanced whether it’s a big deal or not isn’t the issue, it’s the fairness of the game.

But that exact statement say’s it is a Big deal for you, How long does it take you to complete any other part of your Monthly achievements. for me usually a week. In PvP it takes at least a week to do most of the bars.

So in turn your right there is an unbalance. PvP people usually have to spend about a week per a bar to complete one. PvE people can spend one hour and complete a bar.

I mean your hard core players can do it in less time, I know some that can complete all their monthly’s in less than a week. I am stating this to the casual player.

… it doesn’t take me any time to complete the monthly because I never complete it. I’ve killed 47/50 Karka, there’s no need to go kill 3 more since the zone isn’t that great and I’m not going to complete the monthly anyways…

hardcore players can do the achievement in a week, casual a month – but people who want to play PvE and just that, are punished. Still waiting for you to convince me that this is in any way balanced – cause that’s my point and the only thing that does matter to me about this entire thread, is that Anet’s rewarding some people while punishing a whole nother community (cause if you think I’m alone in only doing PvE content you’re sadly mistaken).

Kaimick.5109:

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Just checked and yes PvE monthly does have WvWvW for 20 kills you gain completion. …

If it was only 20 kills, it might not be as bad, but it’s 50 kills to complete it.

I am not trying to convince you, as you can not convince a convicted person. Just saying Anet wants people to experience WvWvW as that was a major selling point of the games release. They spent a lot of time focusing on that.

Also I am sure your not alone I never had any disillusion that you were, just saying that the WvWvW requirement is very very small. Also if your the type of player that doesn’t complete the Monthly any how
" it doesn’t take me any time to complete the monthly because I never complete it. I’ve killed 47/50 Karka, there’s no need to go kill 3 more since the zone isn’t that great and I’m not going to complete the monthly anyways…"
Why does it matter that there is a WvWvW part in there?

I see your point people who only choose to do PvE and no PvP shouldn’t be subjected to a PvP atmosphere. Although to say your being punished for having to kill 15 people that can literally take you 20 minutes to do, I don’t agree with you.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, Anet wants people to experience WvWvW so who do they target? People that PvP and probably will WvWvW? No not likely, rather the people that PvE. In fact to get your legendary you have to do map completion which requires you to do WvWvW. There are many avenues of how Anet is getting or trying to get people to experience it. weather you choose to partake in it is your choice.

In the end result I can gain more benefits from doing events in Orr in 3 days as I can doing a monthly. So there is your option you don’t want to WvWvW do other things, the game is built around choices. You can’t fault Arena Net for attempting to get people to play something they boosted about for months before release.

AriaSilverfyre.8702:

Kaimick.5109:

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Just checked and yes PvE monthly does have WvWvW for 20 kills you gain completion. …

If it was only 20 kills, it might not be as bad, but it’s 50 kills to complete it.

No it isn’t look at my screen shot it is a 2 of 2 tier and to complete tier 2 it is 15 kills

AriaSilverfyre.8702:

Kaimick.5109:

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Just checked and yes PvE monthly does have WvWvW for 20 kills you gain completion. …

If it was only 20 kills, it might not be as bad, but it’s 50 kills to complete it.

No it isn’t look at my screen shot it is a 2 of 2 tier and to complete tier 2 it is 15 kills

Kaimick.5109:

I am not trying to convince you, as you can not convince a convicted person. Just saying Anet wants people to experience WvWvW as that was a major selling point of the games release. They spent a lot of time focusing on that.

Also I am sure your not alone I never had any disillusion that you were, just saying that the WvWvW requirement is very very small. Also if your the type of player that doesn’t complete the Monthly any how
" it doesn’t take me any time to complete the monthly because I never complete it. I’ve killed 47/50 Karka, there’s no need to go kill 3 more since the zone isn’t that great and I’m not going to complete the monthly anyways…"
Why does it matter that there is a WvWvW part in there?

I see your point people who only choose to do PvE and no PvP shouldn’t be subjected to a PvP atmosphere. Although to say your being punished for having to kill 15 people that can literally take you 20 minutes to do, I don’t agree with you.

I guess it is a matter of perspective, Anet wants people to experience WvWvW so who do they target? People that PvP and probably will WvWvW? No not likely, rather the people that PvE. In fact to get your legendary you have to do map completion which requires you to do WvWvW. There are many avenues of how Anet is getting or trying to get people to experience it. weather you choose to partake in it is your choice.

In the end result I can gain more benefits from doing events in Orr in 3 days as I can doing a monthly. So there is your option you don’t want to WvWvW do other things, the game is built around choices. You can’t fault Arena Net for attempting to get people to play something they boosted about for months before release.

It doesn’t matter that there’s a WvW part to me, I wouldn’t spend time doing the monthly unless it turned out to be fun, like the fractals dungeon path requirement. Doing 7 paths was a no brainer because I wanted to play the game.

People who PvP all the time now get 2 more achievement categories and all they have to do is have fun. People who do PvE all the time because it’s fun – have to stop and do WvW if they want the reward for having fun? That’s just not fair, and if it’s not all about having fun – then why aren’t there actual challenges to getting the rewards? You said it yourself, whether hardcore or casual getting the achievement doesn’t take any time at all – so if it’s not meant to be fun where’s the challenge?

It’s mainly because as you said I can spend my time in other zones and get better rewards than the monthly gives – that I personally don’t waste time with the monthly. I prefer to have fun so I do that instead of the monthly… but why do they get rewarded because what they like is what Anet considers fun?

It’s not balanced, and that’s a problem even if people can live with it – should they have to? Suggestion is to fix it and I support it.

DO THIS NOW. I am sick of games that are offering PvE rewards that force you to PvP, including the monthly achievement in this one. GET RID OF IT. Make a new WvWvW monthly/daily or whatever. It would make way more sense.

Kaimick.5109:

No it isn’t look at my screen shot it is a 2 of 2 tier and to complete tier 2 it is 15 kills

You’re screen doesn’t show the max tiers, need to hover over with your mouse for that. There are 4 tiers 5, 15, 30, 50.

excuse me, but wvw players feel same regarding dungeons.
So you consider is fair that 8 dungeons are an must – minimum 5 hours and 50 wvwvw kills -20 minutes are too much

juno.1840:

One advantage to moving WvW kills to the PvP achievement is it would reduce the load on the WvW maps (i.e. less people would go out to WvW).

Right now having WvW in the PvE achievement forces players that PvE into the WvW zones (if they want the PvE monthly). This hurts everyone because:

1. People who don’t want to WvW are mad because they “have to” for the PvE monthly
2. People who love to WvW have longer queue times because some players are there only for the monthly PvE.

If you move WvW to the PvP monthly the PvE players who hate PvP will never touch it (because there’s no chance of getting the PvP monthly unless you go into s/t PvP).

Another option: make a monthly WvW achievement with 4 WvW type things (keeps taken, dolyaks killed, players killed, etc). The only risk here is possible karma explosion for some players doing all three monthly achievements (45k x3, plus boosters).

Karma explosion? PvP daily/monthlies don’t give Karma since it wouldn’t really benefit a PvP player. They give Glory if I remember correctly. My guess is if they set up a WvW daily/monthly, it would reward Blueprints and Badges of Honor? Although Karma is still beneficial to a WvW player, so it is possible that would be a reward.

Watari.1037:

juno.1840:

One advantage to moving WvW kills to the PvP achievement is it would reduce the load on the WvW maps (i.e. less people would go out to WvW).

Right now having WvW in the PvE achievement forces players that PvE into the WvW zones (if they want the PvE monthly). This hurts everyone because:

1. People who don’t want to WvW are mad because they “have to” for the PvE monthly
2. People who love to WvW have longer queue times because some players are there only for the monthly PvE.

If you move WvW to the PvP monthly the PvE players who hate PvP will never touch it (because there’s no chance of getting the PvP monthly unless you go into s/t PvP).

Another option: make a monthly WvW achievement with 4 WvW type things (keeps taken, dolyaks killed, players killed, etc). The only risk here is possible karma explosion for some players doing all three monthly achievements (45k x3, plus boosters).

Karma explosion? PvP daily/monthlies don’t give Karma since it wouldn’t really benefit a PvP player. They give Glory if I remember correctly. My guess is if they set up a WvW daily/monthly, it would reward Blueprints and Badges of Honor? Although Karma is still beneficial to a WvW player, so it is possible that would be a reward.

That’s good to know. I extrapolated the PvE monthly reward to the PvP montly (and a hypothetical WvW monthly). It makes sense if it’s Glory.

I also agree that there’s enough to do in WvW that it could be it’s own monthly achievement — which was one of my main points in my original quote.