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Posted by: The Dude.6942

The Dude.6942

I’m at the point where all my gear is damaged, I can’t afford the repair, and I’m forced to quit WvW to farm money so that I can continue WvW..

Is this the way it was intended?

On top of that we’re being farmed all day and night on the spawn point in some borderlands. We can make it close to the first keep at times, and then the tide falls back. Like its some intended farming.

While balance is a different issue, why do I have to pay to fight the fight against impossible odds?

The reality is pretty simple. There are VERY FEW people doing WvW in those borderlands. For one because its pretty much pointless if its 3 vs 20, or 10 vs 30 with all the PvP guilds on the OTHER side, and for the other because we’re basically wasting money to get massacred.

There should be NO REPAIR COST for deaths in WvW, or a free repair guy in those zones. It’s clearly NOT FUN to HAVE TO FARM money in PvE so that I can continue in WvW.

On top of that I do actually manage to get kills regularly in WvW, but the loot isn’t nowhere near the repair cost. Not even remotely close.

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Posted by: Akany.8649

Akany.8649

Scrub, you should ask to Anet add more death penality and enjoy tears of your foes when you kill them.

“Even though i walk through the valley of the shadows of death,
i fear no evil, for i took those PILLZ.” -Psaume 23

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Posted by: Zeon.8471

Zeon.8471

I make about 1 gold an hour in WvW so you must be doing something wrong. Sell all the stuff that drops if its not green. If its green, check the TP price, and if its not good, sell it to a vendor.

I used to think the cost was too high as well, but the higher level you get, the more loot drops. My average repair at level 65 is around 5-7 silver, I am selling at least 20 silver worth of items (usually more) each time im at the repair vendor.

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Posted by: Mayama.1854

Mayama.1854

Scrub, you should ask to Anet add more death penality and enjoy tears of your foes when you kill them.

Yeah ofcourse today I ran at least 10 times into an enemy zerg that I couldnt see bevor I was standing right in the middle of it, clearly my own fault dying…

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Posted by: Preacher.9018

Preacher.9018

Simply and short: no.

http://www.pevepe.net/ – Seafarers Rest Server community website

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Posted by: Akany.8649

Akany.8649

Yeah ofcourse today I ran at least 10 times into an enemy zerg that I couldnt see bevor I was standing right in the middle of it, clearly my own fault dying…

  • First time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Second time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Third time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fourth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fifth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Sixth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Seventh time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Eighth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Ninth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Tenth time you run inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.

What did you except after the second run ? And you are meaning it’s not cleary your own fault dying like this ? But why you didn’t stop to run like a headless chicken ?!

“Even though i walk through the valley of the shadows of death,
i fear no evil, for i took those PILLZ.” -Psaume 23

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Posted by: Sojourner.6938

Sojourner.6938

On top of that we’re being farmed all day and night on the spawn point in some borderlands.

I bet I’ve said this three dozen times in team chat this week alone …

“You DO know there is a back path out of the spawn point, right? You DO know you don’t have to run to the bottleneck and choke, right?”

Odd Bodkins
Genius

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Posted by: Mayama.1854

Mayama.1854

Yeah ofcourse today I ran at least 10 times into an enemy zerg that I couldnt see bevor I was standing right in the middle of it, clearly my own fault dying…

  • First time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Second time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Third time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fourth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fifth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Sixth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Seventh time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Eighth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Ninth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Tenth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.

What did you except after the second run ? And you are meaning it’s not cleary your own fault dying like this ? But why you didn’t stop to run like a headless chicken ?!

Are you trolling? Seriously…

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Posted by: Mayama.1854

Mayama.1854

Yeah ofcourse today I ran at least 10 times into an enemy zerg that I couldnt see bevor I was standing right in the middle of it, clearly my own fault dying…

  • First time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Second time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Third time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fourth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fifth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Sixth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Seventh time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Eighth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Ninth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Tenth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.

What did you except after the second run ? And you are meaning it’s not cleary your own fault dying like this ? But why you didn’t stop to run like a headless chicken ?!

Are you trolling? Seriously… do you have any clue how the server renders things…

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Posted by: Bobudo.7943

Bobudo.7943

Yeah ofcourse today I ran at least 10 times into an enemy zerg that I couldnt see bevor I was standing right in the middle of it, clearly my own fault dying…

  • First time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Second time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Third time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fourth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Fifth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Sixth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Seventh time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Eighth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Ninth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.
  • Tenth time you run like inside an enemy zerg because you couldnt see it before you was in the middle of it.

What did you except after the second run ? And you are meaning it’s not cleary your own fault dying like this ? But why you didn’t stop to run like a headless chicken ?!

Are you trolling? Seriously… do you have any clue how the server renders things…

Get a better computer then, don’t ruin it for everyone else. I render Zergs with plenty of time to not run into them.

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Posted by: Mayama.1854

Mayama.1854

Get a better computer then, don’t ruin it for everyone else. I render Zergs with plenty of time to not run into them.

Yeah exactly I should get a better computer because anet added something in the end of the last beta that only renders large numbers of people only if they are very close to you. For your interest every time it happened everyone in our group didnt see the enemy zerg bevor it was right on top of us.

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Posted by: Diablo.9301

Diablo.9301

Get a better computer then, don’t ruin it for everyone else. I render Zergs with plenty of time to not run into them.

Yeah exactly I should get a better computer because anet added something in the end of the last beta that only renders large numbers of people only if they are very close to you. For your interest every time it happened everyone in our group didnt see the enemy zerg bevor it was right on top of us.

A new computer won’t even fix that problem. I have brand new high end computer (i5 3750k, 8 gb ram, samsung 830 SSD, Radeon 7870), run the game at max settings apart from supersampling and shadows and I have the same problem as you.

/Ontopic. The current repair cost system really needs to be looked at, because it will hurt WvW in the long run. When you are on a losing server (that barely controls anything on the map) this system will kill all iniative for playing WvW. It will cost you a fortune to simply play, because you will keep getting wiped by the stronger server and thus need to fix your armor every time. Since the other server is so much stronger it wil be very hard to earn any money to compensate for the repair cost.

Because of this it’s likely that that most of the players from the losing server will simply stop playing. Then the dominating server will have noone to fight against and will end up getting bored.

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Posted by: Purina.5613

Purina.5613

Away with the repair costs for WvW….. there’s no repair costs in the singles pvp, why is WvW being punished?

Sign and Approve.

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Posted by: Phaseshift.1237

Phaseshift.1237

Yea down with the repair costs. As for rendering mobs, do what I do…. Bind your show all enemies/allies to a key (or foot pedals) and press them often. Foot pedals are a great addition if you don’t have a naga or like to keyboard bind and are really cheap.

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Posted by: Reve.3578

Reve.3578

Look WvW is a big money maker. Money sinks are needed and repair is the obvious solution. I only need to repair my armor maybe once an hour if that. I fight smart and in WvW walking around alone is not smart. Look on you mini-map and follow the paths the other dots go in order to have the best chance of making it to you destination. I know its frustrating when you appear in a zerg, so in order to combat it I played smarter.

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Posted by: defrule.7236

defrule.7236

I make about 1 gold an hour in WvW so you must be doing something wrong. Sell all the stuff that drops if its not green. If its green, check the TP price, and if its not good, sell it to a vendor.

I used to think the cost was too high as well, but the higher level you get, the more loot drops. My average repair at level 65 is around 5-7 silver, I am selling at least 20 silver worth of items (usually more) each time im at the repair vendor.

If action is competitive you can make gold but it’s substantially harder if you have next to nothing on the map and are outnumbered.

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Posted by: Orlandu.3781

Orlandu.3781

Look WvW is a big money maker. Money sinks are needed and repair is the obvious solution. I only need to repair my armor maybe once an hour if that. I fight smart and in WvW walking around alone is not smart. Look on you mini-map and follow the paths the other dots go in order to have the best chance of making it to you destination. I know its frustrating when you appear in a zerg, so in order to combat it I played smarter.

Repair may be the “obvious” solution, in that it is foolishly simple to apply an arbitrary penalty. Unless you are on one of the perpetually demolished servers, our experiences are totally dissimilar. W3 is only a big money maker when you can take large objectives reliably. If you aren’t doing that, the monetary rewards are negligible, and the number difference on my server is so vast that trying to get a supply camp is like sneaking into Mordor. It’s just not exciting or profitable to W3 right now. And that means there’s less for the winners to do, as well.

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Posted by: Serindial.8973

Serindial.8973

For those answering… fight smarter, you’re not thinking that through. So some of you make a gold an hour and some of you are careful not to die. Great, good for you, but that’s a very anecdotal answer. For every person who hardly dies there has to be, statistically and logically, someone else who is dying more often, or else there is no combat happening. For every person who makes “A gold an hour” that represents a bunch of people who had to pay out several silver per death. So for all those people who are simply not as capable of survival, the cost of armor repairs is significant. Eventually they will stop playing WvW and all that will be left are the ‘skilled’ players… BUT then they will be fighting each other and a new batch of less skilled players will be established from that pool. Then the guy who makes a gold an hour will suddenly find in a lot harder to make that gold and some other guy who used to make 2 gold an hour will say, “Just play smarter”.

The basic economics are this. You must make at least a couple of silver per kill in order to offset the couple of silver it takes to repair per death. And the answer “die less” is tunnel thinking. Every 1 kill for somebody = 1 death for somebody.

The answer to this problem is not to play smarter. There will always be players who cannot afford the rate of armor repair. The system should be reviewed. Perhaps armor repair can have alternate payment methods… like using medals of honor or having a “repair time” for those that can’t pay, thus using time itself as a resource. This keeps the ‘penalty’ for dying without making it unfeasible for lesser skilled player to venture into WvW. I totally agree with the need for a penalty to dying but it cannot be prohibitive to playing.

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Posted by: Aerthos.8012

Aerthos.8012

I like the idea of alternate payment methods, at least as a brainstorm to lessen the repair costs. Another idea that struck me is an underdog buff for the server—you could even tie it into the “Outnumbered” buff I’ve seen a couple times. Then when your server is obviously outnumbered (and thus can be expected to see more deaths), your repair cost is reduced by 75%, or maybe entirely.

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Posted by: Estus.1726

Estus.1726

Games I’ve played in the past that had zero consequence for dying in PvP diminished the fear of being defeated to the point that sometimes it was a strategic advantage to rush into a battle knowing you would likely die.

There ought to be consequences for death. I wouldn’t be opposed to a lessened penalty as part of the “Out Manned” buff when a server is greatly out matched.

[RE] Isendale – Tarnished Coast
“Did you see that? Tell me you saw that!”

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Posted by: SirRobin.9428

SirRobin.9428

What gets me is forgetting to grab thosekittenbags that keep dropping next to my feet. Give us an auto-loot in WvW because I am way to focused on killing invaders to stop and look for those little bags laid out behind me like a trail.

who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor
who had nearly stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol
and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill!

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Posted by: Punny.9210

Punny.9210

i personally like the way it is. so ppl wont just zerg carelessly …

Blackgate

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Posted by: JemL.3501

JemL.3501

having not repair cost will just make players in wvw to go and die like np, you know you have to repair something be more careful, and if you end up wasting all your money in just repairs…YOU ARE SIMPLE BAD, saying you dont see the enemy is not an excuse, or if you pc is broken, etc.
That sink has to be there, you gain a lot of money if not die in wvw by capturing tower/castle/keep/etc, now you are saying you can jump to the battle with no worries but with only benefits, stop being bad.

I took an arrow to the knee

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Posted by: Diablo.9301

Diablo.9301

having not repair cost will just make players in wvw to go and die like np, you know you have to repair something be more careful, and if you end up wasting all your money in just repairs…YOU ARE SIMPLE BAD, saying you dont see the enemy is not an excuse, or if you pc is broken, etc.
That sink has to be there, you gain a lot of money if not die in wvw by capturing tower/castle/keep/etc, now you are saying you can jump to the battle with no worries but with only benefits, stop being bad.

You are failing to consider quality vs quantity in you argument. If you are outnumbered in WvW (low server population vs high server population for example) , you can be the best WvW player in the entire game, but you’ll barely be able to earn any money. You simply lack the support to capture alot of objectives on the world map. Instead you will die alot from being outnumbered.

That’s the biggest flaw in the current system and needs looking at.

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Posted by: Daedalus.3954

Daedalus.3954

I for one, hope this never happens. There are consequences for a reason. You should be willing to pay them should you step into WvW

Oh and if you’re outnumbered fight via guerrila warfare, don’t try and fight head-on, maybe you’ll live longer.

Commander Kaena Godsfire – Guardian
Server – Fort Aspenwood

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Posted by: Bloodtau.4672

Bloodtau.4672

WVW and spvp won’t be good until they remove repair from WVW and the downed state from both.

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Posted by: Daedalus.3954

Daedalus.3954

WVW and spvp won’t be good until they remove repair from WVW and the downed state from both.

I don’t even..what in the.. no. I cannot imagine why you would even think that. Can you give reasons for any of that please?

Commander Kaena Godsfire – Guardian
Server – Fort Aspenwood

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Posted by: JemL.3501

JemL.3501

Theres absolutely no excuse, low pop, zerg no matter, you die you pay the bills.

You just want benefits, then i would suggest to remove money karma and exp gain from wvw if you remove repair cost from there. lets see how much people would get mad over this.

Oh np i can die 1000 times and still will make money or more than a pve player which is in the map 24/7 – lossers thoughts

I took an arrow to the knee

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Posted by: Bloodtau.4672

Bloodtau.4672

WVW and spvp won’t be good until they remove repair from WVW and the downed state from both.

I don’t even..what in the.. no. I cannot imagine why you would even think that. Can you give reasons for any of that please?

If you need an answer to that you obviously don’t do either that much….

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Posted by: Bloodtau.4672

Bloodtau.4672

WVW and spvp won’t be good until they remove repair from WVW and the downed state from both.

I don’t even..what in the.. no. I cannot imagine why you would even think that. Can you give reasons for any of that please?

If you need an answer to that you obviously don’t do either that much….

www.ugmrz.com Come see what we do.

Regardless of your senseless provocation, your lack of answer proves your ignorance to be just as heavy as your unsupported post. Next time at least put up some information. :/ honestly..

My comment above still stands.