Scamming is wrong
While I loathe scammers as much as the next guy, getting scammed in this game means that you were already mmmh how to put it… trying to evade the taxes?
“We have no first-person view because stupid people would lock into it”
“You can’t have more than 10 HS decks because that would confuse people”
“30 fps is more cinematic”
“You can’t have more than 10 HS decks because that would confuse people”
“30 fps is more cinematic”
Never use mail for several hundreds of gold. Sorry for you’re loss but its not a secure trading system. Until they make real trading use it for small amounts or people you know.
While scamming is wrong, wasting Arena.net’s time is also wrong.
They let you trade securely on TP, but they also let you mail things to people you trust at your own risk.
They have better things to do than dealing with 2.000.000 people that might suddenly decide to stop using the automated TP to save a few coppers.
Scamming is wrong but so is tax evasion which is essentially what you were doing by not going through the TP.
It’s a problem if you have to dedicate staff resources (pay people) to do something that can be, and is, automated by the game.
I do agree that scammers should be banned, I also agree that you brought this upon yourself. Sorry.
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delicate, brick-like subtlety.
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
If they are not going to punish scammers, why is “scamming” even an option when reporting someone?
Tarnished Coast
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
It’s both your fault and the other player’s fault.
You should have realized that there was a chance he could be scamming you and acted accordingly and not sent him anymore gold before getting the actual item than you were willing to part with.
He shouldn’t have scammed you.
But in order to scam, a scam artist has to have someone who will take the bait.
I’m sorry you got scammed and I hope you are quickly able to recoup your losses.
I find it so interesting that this is keeps being considered my fault. Brought this upon myself by assuming people can be trusted once in awhile. Such an interesting community. I honestly didn’t realize that there was “tax evasion” in this game as using the Trading Post isn’t required for transaction but rather a safer alternative and I guess I thought we were all adults here doing adult things.
You went outside of the secure and protected way to trade in an attempt to save money. I don’t call it tax evasion, I call it taking a financial risk. Just like buying risky stocks on the stock market, you take a risk in the hopes of a larger gain than a more secure choice would give you. Taking risks doesn’t always work in your favor.
It’s a shame the guy scammed you, and I DO agree that he should be dealt with by the GMs, but you took a risk to save some money. If you had truly believed the guy was trustworthy, you would have been sending him ALL the money right up front, trusting that he would hold up his end of the bargain.
Luckily I am able to follow this person and it is his primary account. We shall see who brought what upon themselves. I have only been hopeful for a nice business transaction and in fact am still hopeful for the mistake to be corrected or completed. His 4000 achievement points or my 249 gold. We shall see who spent more time for naught in the end I guess.
Here you need to be careful. Go too far, say or do the wrong thing, and HE can have YOU banned for harassment. Don’t do that. If that happens, he’s still in the game and you’ve lost more than 249 gold. It may hurt, but know when to cut your losses.
Sarcasm, delivered with a
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
But he may have friends near him that do not have you blocked who could see what you’re saying and report it. If you see him try to do it again, I wouldn’t be above giving the person he’s trying to scam a fair warning that he may try to scam them. But beyond that, I wouldn’t actually say or do anything that is even remotely against the rules.
Need COD for mail.
If they are not going to punish scammers, why is “scamming” even an option when reporting someone?
There are many types of scams, and reports do get looked at. Just don’t expect them to refund your 150g that you lost because you were being greedy.
With that said though, I still think there should be someway to hold people that do this accountable. Other than me spending the time to ensure that their guilds and community know what this person is doing.
Are you willing to personally pay for 50/100/1000 employees whose only task would be to constantly analyze transaction logs and figure out if someone indeed was scammed?
If not, use the tp, or do anything at your own risk. Even though you were indeed scammed, you were actually at fault for not using a provided secure tp.
“There’s a sucker born every minute”
Commander Kitadia
NSP
Kill a few: there won’t be a many
NSP
Kill a few: there won’t be a many
Brought this upon myself by assuming people can be trusted once in awhile.
This is the Internet. You can trust no one. No one.
The Burninator
Brought this upon myself by assuming people can be trusted once in awhile.
This is the Internet. You can trust no one. No one.
Like no one. I still don’t trust fellow guildies I’ve been playing with for over a year!
~This is the internet, my (or your) opinion doesn’t matter~
Haha this is the first mmo I’ve played so I guess I learned the mmo community is rather selfish if you can’t trust anyone. Kind of sucks.
Well from my Internet experience of almost two decades it isn’t limited to MMOs. If you ever want to see a clinic in selfishness, backstabbing, liars and miscreants there is this site you should check out. It’s called Facebook.
The Burninator
Hahaha ya true. But there you can public humiliate people and call them out on it. On the forums you seem to have your hands pretty much tied.
OK, I wasn’t going to post, since it appeared you had learned a lesson. But this post needs to be slammed.
There are 3 MILLION people playing Guild Wars 2. There are maybe 500 that are scamming people. Do the math: Your odds of running into one are insignificant.
BUT, if you advertise yourself as someone willing to be taken, then you will get taken. Look over your actions for the previous few weeks. I would guess it’s very likely you took smaller steps in the same direction. And they guys who scam people look for gamers like that.
Do some soul-searching before accusing people of being louts. While there are some here in the forums, it’s a much higher percentage than in the game. I can’t count the number of times I’ve called out for someone to help me with a jumping puzzle or vista or event, and someone spent their own money to hit a waypoint, just to help me.
When that happens, I almost always send them 5 silver or something for their trouble. Every single time, that person has sent it back. THAT is sportsmanship. That kind of person isn’t going to scam anybody. But, s/he’s also not going to put him/herself into a position where it could happen, either, because that kind of person doesn’t try to get an unearned edge against the game.
If you spent all your gold on the scammer, you need some more. Call out to someone and ask them to help you earn some quick cash (by helping kill stuff). There’s almost always someone willing to help. But, one must actually work to find a scammer.
If you’re interested in grinding out a little cash, look me up in-game. Or, I would guess, any of the people here who weren’t rude in their reply. These are people who are trying to help; that’s why they posted. If you ask, they’ll help in other ways.
Am I correct, guys?
oh yes like you intend to call out etc it seems with said scammer? seems legit .
when is stalking ever rule abiding ?
when is stalking ever rule abiding ?
Whenever you try to do rules-lawyering without actually understanding the rules.
As people banned for snowflakes found out.
Brought this upon myself by assuming people can be trusted once in awhile.
This is the Internet. You can trust no one. No one.
Like no one. I still don’t trust fellow guildies I’ve been playing with for over a year!
I don’t even trust my guild leader…and I am the leader
When is scamming ever rule abiding? Stalking without any harassment, contact or insults is perfectly legit as far as I can tell. Its also totally pointless, useless and harmless. I am merely observing this person that has cost me several days of grinding for money and believes they can just walk free without any consequence. I am sure if observing someone while they play with my scammed money is a concern for Anet, Anet will let me know. And I will back off. Until then, for the same amount of time it took me to earn that money I will now spend looking for ways to have this person banned. Seems fair and square.
Just a comment. If what you do when stalking someone is a concern for ANet, the way they will let you know is by suspending your account. They will not contact you in any way to give you a warning.
While scamming is wrong, wasting Arena.net’s time is also wrong.
They let you trade securely on TP, but they also let you mail things to people you trust at your own risk.
They have better things to do than dealing with 2.000.000 people that might suddenly decide to stop using the automated TP to save a few coppers.
This is the issue. Make player to player trading.
Brought this upon myself by assuming people can be trusted once in awhile.
This is the Internet. You can trust no one. No one.
Like no one. I still don’t trust fellow guildies I’ve been playing with for over a year!
I don’t even trust my guild leader…and I am the leader
“That’s right. [raises his gun and shoots Jenkins through the side of the head, and Jenkins wavers and falls] Sometimes partnerships need to end. [now seeing the boys] Well, supercops, looks like I’ll be taking in all the money now. I’m in business alone. And that means that the only person I can’t trust… is myself. [raises the gun and shoots himself through his chin, then falls alongside Hopkins] " Southpark Episode 706.
I believe anet stance on scamming is this. If there are sufficient evidence of scamming, they will ban the offender but the item or gold will not be returned.
While scamming is wrong, wasting Arena.net’s time is also wrong.
They let you trade securely on TP, but they also let you mail things to people you trust at your own risk.
They have better things to do than dealing with 2.000.000 people that might suddenly decide to stop using the automated TP to save a few coppers.
This is the issue. Make player to player trading.
No, this is NOT an issue. The only reason it happened was because the parties involved went out side of the established method for trading this game. I don’t Need all the WTS or WTB spam chat in LA or any other major city simply to make it possible for those who want to go outside of the established method in this game to save a few gold.
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