Guild Wars 2

So people are running MF gear to leech off of teammates, and everyone is getting kitten because the person contributing the least is getting more reward than everyone else who is actually doing work.

How to solve: Reduce MF effectiveness by about 3x or 4x or 5×. In return, MF is now AOE. So now, MF gear may be hurtful for your team, but it’ll also be welcomed because it gives everyone else bonus drop rates.

Also, in solo scenarios, let MF effectiveness return to full stats so that everyone, solo’er and team players, is happy.

MF gear isn’t the problem, people who aren’t good enough to stay alive is the problem. I only wear MF gear, with as much MF as I can possibly have and never have any problem in dungeons or taking down champs on my own in the world

OMG another BS Magic find hate thread use the search function you have said nothing new. Your beating a dead horse. you don’t want magic find in your group state that, ask for gear pings ( although most of those groups take forever to form.)

It has been proven that your paranoia of MF is false and mis-guided, stop putting so much emphasis on stats, this is not a stat game, this is not wow. Gear has a role but a very small role UNLESS your in high level fractals.

OP, who is this “everyone” you speak of? You don’t speak for me.

I’m quite amazed by the amount of negative replies to this thread defending a selfish stat.

Now, Proven? Show me where this “proof” is. I just stated a way to take out the selfishness in MF to a teammate orientated stat.

And I think it’s been shown that it is detrimental to your build and teammate as it is currently, “A Berserker GS has 179pow/128prec/9%c.dmg (power is the major stat) and an Explorer GS has 128pow/128prec/3%mf (mf is the major stat). The Explorer GS will lose out the primary stat of 9%c.dmg as well as 51 power – together will lead to significant loss in dmg.”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Confessions-of-a-Magic-Find-Leecher

I think I’ll find much more threads that speaks of the problems of MF than your “proof.”

Here’s another stat comparison I found from the thread I linked:

As to the comparisson between Explorer’s and Berserker’s gear (Weapons included this time):

Explorer’s:
Power: 698 = 1614 Total (916 is base)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance

Berserker’s:
Power: 1003 (30% more power) = 1919 Total (~16% higher power)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance
Crit Damage: 62% = 212% crit damage

Let’s take a dagger for the calculation with an average weapon damage of 952. Also let’s attack a target with 2600 armor (the armor that tooltips compare damage against). Also, let’s take a skill with 1.0 coefficient for easier calculations.

Damage: Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

Damage with MF = 952*1614*1/2600=590 damage
Damage with Berserker = 952*1919*1/2600=702 damage

Now both have 33% chance of being critical so our total average damage is:
(<Non-critical*2>+<critical>) / 3

MF Critical: 590*150%=885
Berserker Critical: 702*212%=1488

Total Average damage with MF: (590*2+885)/3=688,3 dps
Total Average damage with Berserker: (702*2+1488)/3=984 dps

So the OP is incorrent it’s not 15% difference in damage but the damage with MF is 69,9% of Berserker damage… a tiny bit higher than 2/3

I hope we ALL agree that doing 2/3 of the damage of another “similar” set with the same survivability is a HUGE differnce.

No sigils, traits or runes were taken into account above, but the difference is quite stunning, 688.3 compared to 984 damage with the exact same defensive capabilities. Sigils and Runes would make this a lot harder for poor MF gear…

Phira.3970:

Here’s another stat comparison I found from the thread I linked:

As to the comparisson between Explorer’s and Berserker’s gear (Weapons included this time):

Explorer’s:
Power: 698 = 1614 Total (916 is base)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance

Berserker’s:
Power: 1003 (30% more power) = 1919 Total (~16% higher power)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance
Crit Damage: 62% = 212% crit damage

Let’s take a dagger for the calculation with an average weapon damage of 952. Also let’s attack a target with 2600 armor (the armor that tooltips compare damage against). Also, let’s take a skill with 1.0 coefficient for easier calculations.

Damage: Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

Damage with MF = 952*1614*1/2600=590 damage
Damage with Berserker = 952*1919*1/2600=702 damage

Now both have 33% chance of being critical so our total average damage is:
(<Non-critical*2>+<critical>) / 3

MF Critical: 590*150%=885
Berserker Critical: 702*212%=1488

Total Average damage with MF: (590*2+885)/3=688,3 dps
Total Average damage with Berserker: (702*2+1488)/3=984 dps

So the OP is incorrent it’s not 15% difference in damage but the damage with MF is 69,9% of Berserker damage… a tiny bit higher than 2/3

I hope we ALL agree that doing 2/3 of the damage of another “similar” set with the same survivability is a HUGE differnce.

No sigils, traits or runes were taken into account above, but the difference is quite stunning, 688.3 compared to 984 damage with the exact same defensive capabilities. Sigils and Runes would make this a lot harder for poor MF gear…

DEAD HORSE, MY god it is Dead Jim

Good thing that stats don’t mean that much in this game L2P

Still no proof besides L2P newb. Cmon waiting.

If you don’t want people running dungeons in MF gear, then boot them. Just like any other player you don’t want in the group. Why should MF users be singled out?

I don’t see why MF in dungeons should be nerfed if you have a problem with forming your own MF-free group. It’s like saying people who stack protection gear as a DPS don’t do enough damage, and must share their defensive stat with the group.

omg all these selfish people!

They demand you play exactly how THEY want you to play and think if you don’t then its your fault that they aren’t accomplishing their goal rather then their own lack.

If you REALLY think that its people in MF armour that is causing you to loose then you are never going to succeed.

Yes someone in MF armour will have less power, so will someone in healing gear does that mean people in healing gear should get kittened at aswell?

The stat difference is, overall, insignificant, you can do all but the higher fractals with a team full of MF users, will it be as fast as a full zerker team? No, but the point is its still perfectly doable, if they are actively failing its not because there missing some power but because they aren’t paying attention to the mechanics.

Simple fact is people that are demanding MF removed or complaining people in MF are making them fail at dungeons are MORE selfish than those that run MF as they (you) are actively trying to dictate how other people should play for your own personal ideas of gain.

Will anything I just said change your mind? Probably not, because your a kitten whinger whos self entitled and think your the last word on how games should work.

Wrong, I just posted several links and showed some math that shows the stat difference is, overall, SIGNIFICANT.

Wrong, my suggestion doesn’t change the play style for people with MF gear. Allow me to quote myself, “Also, in solo scenarios, let MF effectiveness return to full stats so that everyone, solo’er and team players, is happy.”

And I am never going to succeed? Well okay, I guess holding 500g+, fotm 40s, and legendary weapons aren’t signs of success in this game.

not really you can farm gold and legendaries just doing the easiest dungeons in the game and FoTM you can technically be carried to.

The stat difference is NOT significant because it makes NO difference in wether you can down a boss or not, at best its a slight speed increase.

“Wrong, my suggestion doesn’t change the play style for people with MF gear.”

Uh, yes it does? You just asked for a direct nerf and change in mechanics to their stats in a dungeon. If that isn’t a play style change, then please, hit me with a soap-bar filled sock right where I stand. Distributing the stat like that would make magic find quite useless in dungeons, if it’s spread out like so.

So if everyone had MF berserker gear rather than full berserker gear, according to the math above, they’d down the boss about 31% slower. Okay, that’s only a slight difference. Gotcha!

Phira.3970:

Wrong, I just posted several links and showed some math that shows the stat difference is, overall, SIGNIFICANT.

Wrong, my suggestion doesn’t change the play style for people with MF gear. Allow me to quote myself, “Also, in solo scenarios, let MF effectiveness return to full stats so that everyone, solo’er and team players, is happy.”

And I am never going to succeed? Well okay, I guess holding 500g+, fotm 40s, and legendary weapons aren’t signs of success in this game.

you have 500 gold, great we know the Credit card works, your at Fractals level 40, great we know you can be carried, you have legendary weapon’s great again we know your credit card works. I notice you never said you had world completion or a high WvWvW title, so how is that CC working for you now a days.

All I hear is QQ blah blah blah, I want full Zerker parties and everyone should gear the way I say or else, cause if they don’t I can’t be carried and people start thinking I suck.

Dead Horse, DEAD HORSE

Learn to grow up

Phira.3970:

So if everyone had MF berserker gear rather than full berserker gear, according to the math above, they’d down the boss about 31% slower. Okay, that’s only a slight difference. Gotcha!

But the boss still went down, a minute in a half later, Your right down with MF your going to be late for that hot date that has now been waiting 5 minutes for you to get off the game to go out with. Boo Hooo Grow up

Wait. WvWvW titles? Zergfest takes skills? I see.

DEAD HORSE DEAD HORSE. I think I like the tone and rhythm of this. I’ll keep in mind of DEAD HORSE DEAD HORSE for future trolling references. Thnks!

Phira.3970:

So if everyone had MF berserker gear rather than full berserker gear, according to the math above, they’d down the boss about 31% slower. Okay, that’s only a slight difference. Gotcha!

Uhuh and what about if one of those full beserker group dies what effect will that have on the speed? what if someone joined in full healer gear, what if people decided they wanted to play a build that isn’t optimal

Should we change all these circumstances because they slow down combat?

Simply put people can play the way they want, you don’t like it? tough, you don’t get to decide how others choose to play the game unless they are directly harrasing you, if you don’t like it leave.

Phira.3970:

Wait. WvWvW titles? Zergfest takes skills? I see.

DEAD HORSE DEAD HORSE. I think I like the tone and rhythm of this. I’ll keep in mind of DEAD HORSE DEAD HORSE for future trolling references.

Thanks for confirming you bought your legendary weapons with your credit card, you need Map completion for Gift of the explorer and you need 500 badges of Honor for the Legendary and that is per. Sorry San you got …. wait ( pulls the anit burn cream and hands it to you ) BURNED thank you come again

Oh wait, thanks for reminding that having a legendary weapon requires resources other than gold ( that was so 5 months ago that I forgot about it ). Oh yeah, more brag title: WORLD COMPLETION TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!! 500 BADGES OF HONORS!!!!!!

Hm mmm, what a troll thread this has become. I’m having fun. Who wants to join the party?

I think this whole thread was just trolling to begin with. My opinions are apparently not even regarded or thought of here. Good day, credit card brandisher. I pray that Dhuum shows no mercy to thine buttocks.

Are you comparing exotic MF gear to exotic Berserker gear?

Pantsdragon.5703:

I think this whole thread was just trolling to begin with. My opinions are apparently not even regarded or thought of here. Good day, credit card brandisher. I pray that Dhuum shows no mercy to thine buttocks.

Okay have fun leeching other groups. Hope you get booted in the middle of the dungeon run!

Phira.3970:

Oh wait, thanks for reminding that having a legendary weapon requires resources other than gold ( that was so 5 months ago that I forgot about it ). Oh yeah, more brag title: WORLD COMPLETION TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!! 500 BADGES OF HONORS!!!!!!

Hm mmm, what a troll thread this has become. I’m having fun. Who wants to join the party?

Just a quick fyi, you can also get the legendary with gold alone. Some of us make enough to do so (I wouldn’t do it).

I know. I’m just having a hard time fathoming the reality of our PvE community (seeing from the number of negative responses, MF gear leechers are quite abundant!)

But then again, that’s why I quit fotm at 40. Tired of scraping MF-geared corpses off the ground and carrying them. It’s unfortunate there are not enough players at 40s to be able to say, “Gear check” in gw2lfg.com. The wait would be just too long to form groups.

Well, I never actually stated I practice MF leeching, as I run in full zerker gear myself. Came back to clarify that, since you are a terrible person who likes to strawman what other people say.

@Phira: It sounds to me like it’s the MF “leechers” who are scraping your corpse, and this dead horse of a thread off the ground.

And you are defending MF gear because?

Phira.3970:

And you are defending MF gear because?

Because it annoys whining, scapegoating elitists like you. I choose to play the game how I see fit, not how you would demand me to.

uknortherner.2670:

@Phira: It sounds to me like it’s the MF “leechers” who are scraping your corpse, and this dead horse of a thread off the ground.

Thank you for joining us and further reinforming me of the large proportion of people who leech and get carried.

Phira.3970:

uknortherner.2670:

@Phira: It sounds to me like it’s the MF “leechers” who are scraping your corpse, and this dead horse of a thread off the ground.

Thank you for joining us and further reinforming me of the large proportion of people who leech and get carried.

Again, you seem to be talking about yourself. Grow up and learn to play the game instead of moaning about players who are clearly superior to you.

uknortherner.2670:

Phira.3970:

And you are defending MF gear because?

Because it annoys whining, scapegoating elitists like you. I choose to play the game how I see fit, not how you would demand me to.

And thank you once again for reminding me that GW2 is a unique community that loves to use the word “elitist” (meaning people who maintain standards) because of the dumbed down level of community who needs carrying.

Phira.3970:

And thank you once again for reminding me that GW2 is a unique community that loves to use the word “elitist” (meaning people who maintain standards) because of the dumbed down level of community who needs carrying.

It’s like talking to brick walls with you. Whatever, I’ll just get back to enjoying the game whilst you continue your witchhunt. Nobody cares.

“And you are defending MF gear because?”

Because I have opinions, just like you. Is that such a hard concept to fathom, or were you just too lazy to re-read my posts on my stance? Yes, I don’t support leeching in any way shape or form, but why nerf the stats for that reason, and make it an AoE effect? It would reduce the stat’s effectiveness, and would effect guild groups and friend-built groups who want to designate people to wear the armor for farming purposes.

Again, a good reason why you shouldn’t just skim through text like you have for the past few paragraphs. But this will probably be ignored as well, so why the hell do I even bother typing a full wall of text on why I care to defend my own opinion.

Answer: Because I can.

Likewise! Back to carrying in dungeons and dancing on MF-geared corpses in WvW!

I think I will add him to group and invite him into a run just too see how epic his CC really is.

Thanks for commenting and showing us you like to demand and attempt to controls everyone else game, Narcissistic personality, and Megalomania

GG, GG, now keep beating your dead horse I promise when you grow up you will look back and laugh at this moment when you realize how childish you were acting.

Yes yes, and it still amazes me at how people can support the concept of leeching. A-M-A-zing.

I don’t have the time to read every post but I somewhat agree with the OP, MF is a selfish stat that gimps your toon by taking away from useful stats, it should only be added on armor/weps/jewels on top of the useful stats, not instead of them.

And to the people sick and tired of repeat threads, well, yell at Anet about it, not the players, if there are repeat threads then it is obviously a bigger issue, once Anet deals with the issue then the threads can all be wiped out never to bother anyone again.

but they are threads with all the same people commenting on them…. not really an issue, rather than a few handful of people crying about it.

You should be able to handle dungeons in rare gear picked up from drops with enough skill. MF should not be a factor in how well you can do a dungeon. DPS shouldn’t be a problem, staying alive should be. MF gear is fine, but it depends on what dungeon you are doing. Theres no real point in a MF set for a dungeon with few mobs and focuses on chests since MF doesn’t affect those. Elitists will tell you that they want groups with everyone in exotic DPS or TANK gear, well they don’t do so well in GW2 because this isn’t WoW/FFXI/AION. Here we don’t care about gear, its all the same up to ascended. But thats just gear no one really needs other than for AR, but thats another thread. Assuming everyone who uses MF gear is “bad” or “leeching” just makes you sound ignorant and elitist. You are free to use the LFG website to find groups of your “style” of play.

Also just a note, you can achieve the same MF as an entire gear set with buffs/food alone and use any gear you want. And you can achieve just as good results with using MF gear and stat food/boosts to make up for the DPS if you really care. At what point did people become so elitist and rude about gear, these forums are in no way a representation of all players in game. And No One in forums or game is the voice of every player in game.

Kaimick.5109:

Phira.3970:

Here’s another stat comparison I found from the thread I linked:

As to the comparisson between Explorer’s and Berserker’s gear (Weapons included this time):

Explorer’s:
Power: 698 = 1614 Total (916 is base)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance

Berserker’s:
Power: 1003 (30% more power) = 1919 Total (~16% higher power)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance
Crit Damage: 62% = 212% crit damage

Let’s take a dagger for the calculation with an average weapon damage of 952. Also let’s attack a target with 2600 armor (the armor that tooltips compare damage against). Also, let’s take a skill with 1.0 coefficient for easier calculations.

Damage: Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

Damage with MF = 952*1614*1/2600=590 damage
Damage with Berserker = 952*1919*1/2600=702 damage

Now both have 33% chance of being critical so our total average damage is:
(<Non-critical*2>+<critical>) / 3

MF Critical: 590*150%=885
Berserker Critical: 702*212%=1488

Total Average damage with MF: (590*2+885)/3=688,3 dps
Total Average damage with Berserker: (702*2+1488)/3=984 dps

So the OP is incorrent it’s not 15% difference in damage but the damage with MF is 69,9% of Berserker damage… a tiny bit higher than 2/3

I hope we ALL agree that doing 2/3 of the damage of another “similar” set with the same survivability is a HUGE differnce.

No sigils, traits or runes were taken into account above, but the difference is quite stunning, 688.3 compared to 984 damage with the exact same defensive capabilities. Sigils and Runes would make this a lot harder for poor MF gear…

DEAD HORSE, MY god it is Dead Jim

Good thing that stats don’t mean that much in this game L2P

Oh look, Kaimick is claiming irrefutable math doesn’t affect anything.
AGAIN.

if dps and speed of kills is all thats important Im assuming everyone complaining about MF are 100b warriors?

If not then just like MF you need to be forced to change because DPS = everything yes?!

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Kaimick.5109:

Phira.3970:

Here’s another stat comparison I found from the thread I linked:

As to the comparisson between Explorer’s and Berserker’s gear (Weapons included this time):

Explorer’s:
Power: 698 = 1614 Total (916 is base)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance

Berserker’s:
Power: 1003 (30% more power) = 1919 Total (~16% higher power)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance
Crit Damage: 62% = 212% crit damage

Let’s take a dagger for the calculation with an average weapon damage of 952. Also let’s attack a target with 2600 armor (the armor that tooltips compare damage against). Also, let’s take a skill with 1.0 coefficient for easier calculations.

Damage: Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

Damage with MF = 952*1614*1/2600=590 damage
Damage with Berserker = 952*1919*1/2600=702 damage

Now both have 33% chance of being critical so our total average damage is:
(<Non-critical*2>+<critical>) / 3

MF Critical: 590*150%=885
Berserker Critical: 702*212%=1488

Total Average damage with MF: (590*2+885)/3=688,3 dps
Total Average damage with Berserker: (702*2+1488)/3=984 dps

So the OP is incorrent it’s not 15% difference in damage but the damage with MF is 69,9% of Berserker damage… a tiny bit higher than 2/3

I hope we ALL agree that doing 2/3 of the damage of another “similar” set with the same survivability is a HUGE differnce.

No sigils, traits or runes were taken into account above, but the difference is quite stunning, 688.3 compared to 984 damage with the exact same defensive capabilities. Sigils and Runes would make this a lot harder for poor MF gear…

DEAD HORSE, MY god it is Dead Jim

Good thing that stats don’t mean that much in this game L2P

Oh look, Kaimick is claiming irrefutable math doesn’t affect anything.
AGAIN.

I never said anything about the math being wrong, I just said the stats don’t matter, comprehension of words matter in life. Sure they are better stats, but the better stats is not the difference between success and failure, although your reading comprehension is a failure as it would seem

Dasorine.1964:

if dps and speed of kills is all thats important Im assuming everyone complaining about MF are 100b warriors?

If not then just like MF you need to be forced to change because DPS = everything yes?!

And as is normal with these threads, somehow the supporters of the selfish stat come to the conclusion that anti-MF want dps only.
Let me put it simply: You will, no matter what you do, be better in combat with Berserker’s or Knight’s rather than Explorer’s. It may not be the best idea to be dps, but if you’re going to use a dps set, you can and will do better with Berserker’s.
Every other stat combination has some conceivable combat advantage over another combination, making them sidegrades to each other to some degree. But Explorer’s is strictly worse than Knight’s or Berserker’s.

Kaimick.5109:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Kaimick.5109:

Phira.3970:

Here’s another stat comparison I found from the thread I linked:

As to the comparisson between Explorer’s and Berserker’s gear (Weapons included this time):

Explorer’s:
Power: 698 = 1614 Total (916 is base)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance

Berserker’s:
Power: 1003 (30% more power) = 1919 Total (~16% higher power)
Precision: 698 = ~33% crit chance
Crit Damage: 62% = 212% crit damage

Let’s take a dagger for the calculation with an average weapon damage of 952. Also let’s attack a target with 2600 armor (the armor that tooltips compare damage against). Also, let’s take a skill with 1.0 coefficient for easier calculations.

Damage: Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

Damage with MF = 952*1614*1/2600=590 damage
Damage with Berserker = 952*1919*1/2600=702 damage

Now both have 33% chance of being critical so our total average damage is:
(<Non-critical*2>+<critical>) / 3

MF Critical: 590*150%=885
Berserker Critical: 702*212%=1488

Total Average damage with MF: (590*2+885)/3=688,3 dps
Total Average damage with Berserker: (702*2+1488)/3=984 dps

So the OP is incorrent it’s not 15% difference in damage but the damage with MF is 69,9% of Berserker damage… a tiny bit higher than 2/3

I hope we ALL agree that doing 2/3 of the damage of another “similar” set with the same survivability is a HUGE differnce.

No sigils, traits or runes were taken into account above, but the difference is quite stunning, 688.3 compared to 984 damage with the exact same defensive capabilities. Sigils and Runes would make this a lot harder for poor MF gear…

DEAD HORSE, MY god it is Dead Jim

Good thing that stats don’t mean that much in this game L2P

Oh look, Kaimick is claiming irrefutable math doesn’t affect anything.
AGAIN.

I never said anything about the math being wrong, I just said the stats don’t matter, comprehension of words matter in life. Sure they are better stats, but the better stats is not the difference between success and failure, although your reading comprehension is a failure as it would seem

And I never said you said that math was wrong either, if we want to get into bullkitten technicalities.

well sorry but when people start using dps calculations as there proof that MF is making them fail at dungeons then you have to assume that DPS is purely what they want.

The fact is if I came into your team wearing nothing but MF gear it would have no noticeable effect on your own gameplay other than perhaps bosses taking slightly longer and if THAT is your concern then unless your a 100b warrior then your also guilty of the same thing just in a different way.

However the difference is people that decide they want to wear MF gear don’t decide that THEY get to determine how you play unlike all you people who seem to think MF gear is a massive insult to you and is ruining the game and making you fail everything to the point where it borders on harrasment.

And who says MF is selfish? Does not the rares those people get support the economy? Do the mats they sell on TP not support others? How about those who use MF to farm for gold and make events or support their guild? How selfish is a stat that allows people to support the very game they are playing. The only selfish person i see here is the people complaining that others “need to gear how I want them to gear”. Food for thought. MF is no more selfish that those geared for full DPS instead of group traits or group utilities.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Dasorine.1964:

if dps and speed of kills is all thats important Im assuming everyone complaining about MF are 100b warriors?

If not then just like MF you need to be forced to change because DPS = everything yes?!

And as is normal with these threads, somehow the supporters of the selfish stat come to the conclusion that anti-MF want dps only.
Let me put it simply: You will, no matter what you do, be better in combat with Berserker’s or Knight’s rather than Explorer’s. It may not be the best idea to be dps, but if you’re going to use a dps set, you can and will do better with Berserker’s.
Every other stat combination has some conceivable combat advantage over another combination, making them sidegrades to each other to some degree. But Explorer’s is strictly worse than Knight’s or Berserker’s.

Again with the lack of ability to realize just cause there is better stats doesn’t mean that someone can’t be successful, just because they don’t kill something 30 seconds faster, oh my what will you do.

Do your self a favor realize one thing

These Paranoia threads have been going since MF has been released, and yet Arena Net keeps putting MF in the game. If it was truly a problem we would see a thread with over 250k people yelling about how it is affecting their game. Yet there isn’t, yet Arena Net has yet to pull it out of the game, when it becomes an problem… and a true problem not a problem to elitist players like your self it will be removed. Sure players that use it are selfish, but players like you are just as selfish for trying to get players to play the way you want, when the solution is simple

• go to gw2lfg.com
• put in your lfg – GLF2M no MF all 80 in all exotic knights or serker gear, all gear must be pinged before we start are we kick you from group.
• go play have fun

No instead of playing the way you want you are trying to force others to conform to your play style. How Necrotic can you be? LOL enjoy your long waits for dungeons, while us people that don’t care about MF be it less efficient than your party will still finish with no issues.

Kaimick.5109:

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Dasorine.1964:

if dps and speed of kills is all thats important Im assuming everyone complaining about MF are 100b warriors?

If not then just like MF you need to be forced to change because DPS = everything yes?!

And as is normal with these threads, somehow the supporters of the selfish stat come to the conclusion that anti-MF want dps only.
Let me put it simply: You will, no matter what you do, be better in combat with Berserker’s or Knight’s rather than Explorer’s. It may not be the best idea to be dps, but if you’re going to use a dps set, you can and will do better with Berserker’s.
Every other stat combination has some conceivable combat advantage over another combination, making them sidegrades to each other to some degree. But Explorer’s is strictly worse than Knight’s or Berserker’s.

Again with the lack of ability to realize just cause there is better stats doesn’t mean that someone can’t be successful, just because they don’t kill something 30 seconds faster, oh my what will you do.

Do your self a favor realize one thing

These Paranoia threads have been going since MF has been released, and yet Arena Net keeps putting MF in the game. If it was truly a problem we would see a thread with over 250k people yelling about how it is affecting their game. Yet there isn’t, yet Arena Net has yet to pull it out of the game, when it becomes an problem… and a true problem not a problem to elitist players like your self it will be removed. Sure players that use it are selfish, but players like you are just as selfish for trying to get players to play the way you want, when the solution is simple

• go to gw2lfg.com
• put in your lfg – GLF2M no MF all 80 in all exotic knights or serker gear, all gear must be pinged before we start are we kick you from group.
• go play have fun

No instead of playing the way you want you are trying to force others to conform to your play style. How Necrotic can you be? LOL enjoy your long waits for dungeons, while us people that don’t care about MF be it less efficient than your party will still finish with no issues.

When did I ever say that you can’t be successful without maxed out stats?
I said that you are irrefutably better when you’re using irrefutably better stats.
And when no one in the group benefits from the intentionally lowered stat but the person with the lowered stats, then this person is making their party weaker for purely selfish reasons.

Also you don’t seem to understand that if something is a terrible idea but no one points it out to devs they aren’t going to fix their terrible idea. So, making noise about terrible ideas until it’s fixed may actually accomplish something.

Geotherma.2395:

And who says MF is selfish? Does not the rares those people get support the economy? Do the mats they sell on TP not support others? How about those who use MF to farm for gold and make events or support their guild? How selfish is a stat that allows people to support the very game they are playing. The only selfish person i see here is the people complaining that others “need to gear how I want them to gear”. Food for thought. MF is no more selfish that those geared for full DPS instead of group traits or group utilities.

If they didn’t have to balance drops around the existence of MF then everyone could have better drops instead.