Guild Wars 2

An opinion is growing across this forum and across the game: we do not want Ascended Stuff. We do not need it, we do not want it.

The fact is, that you have built a community that doesn’t need gear progression. That, actually, generally hates it. And now, – in an attempt to get more players? -, you introduced those new, powerful items that are requiring intensive grind to get. And I think that you will actually lose faithful players (F-A-N-S).

Mike O’Brien:

“Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games.”
-Mike O’Brien, President of Arenanet

Myself, I’ve been waiting this game for so long, I’ve been playing everyday since release, and today, I’m losing taste. Because I’m losing faith in this game, because I’m losing trust in YOU, Arenanet. You promised a game that does not need those pathetic attempts to grab players – so far you have made it, until 2 days ago.

This is NOT too late. There are actually only 4-5 Ascended Items in this game, and only a few players owning them. You can still make ONE STEP BACK, refund those players, change Fractals rewards.

Colin Johanson:

“We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills”
-Colin Johanson, Lead Game Designer.

Fractals could actually be very fun with any other rewards. You can give achievements, exclusive skins, titles, 20-slots bag, gold… there are tons of stuff that can justify playing it everyday as an end-game feature, but not Ascended Gears.

When some of us were complaining about end-game, that’s probably not what they were expecting. Give us more content, zones, personnal story, expansions! That’s the spirit of GW!

So, to get our faith back, you have to make something extraordinary, you have to change your mind, you have to listen general opinion, you have to make
ONE STEP BACK.

Now, players, discuss and /sign !

I agree totally, I am honestly completely confused as to why Anet thought it a good idea in the first place.

Give us more cool skins / more recipes to make them yes

Give us more cool things in the cash shop, there are loads of threads on the suggestion forum about stuff people will gladly pay money for. Just let us buy it outright.

Give us the fractal dungeon by all means, for those who like that kind of thing. With appropriate reward as in the OP.

Encourage people into the rest of the world by adding unique zone skins, drops and maybe roaming dailies, yes

Ascended gear, stat grind and gear creep,no thanks.

/signed
a worried FAN

Give us the skill&build options like in GW1. I want my character and the profession to be unique. No, this uniqueness is not based on gear, it’s the skill. And no, this game is not about player skill, at.. the moment.

Very well put… /signed

/signed – YES!

You’ve expressed my feeling exactly OP.

I’ve been such a fan of both GW and ANet and right now I’m just so disappointed in them. As far as I’m concerned this isn’t the game they promised and it is devolving into another cloned MMO with the same tired old format. What are they thinking! And are they big enough to admit this is a mistake? I hope really so.

/signed

but i think that the “creepy 10k thread” is full of this. ^^

But i dont think they will revert something… They are acting like the king of the beautiful kingdom that is burning , loyal subject are dying everywhere, and in the meanwhile robbers and jackals have an easy way to make money.

very well said and /signed.

I must say the blatant contradictions to headline quotes from ANet that pulled me to this game is very disrespectful to it’s player base, and not just in a game sense but a moral sense.

Generally people say the forums are a vocal minority but I’ve seen this happen a few times where forums absolutely light up with anger with thousands of posts topics. The most recent one I can remember was when Blizzard tried to force player’s real life names to be used on forums.

I think the window for this is very short, but a statement and reverting/replacing of content and rewards would go very far to rebuild trust and it also would demonstrate integrity as a company and would earn my respect.

Aye..

Why do we need new gear :/

/signed

I’m still checking these forums to see if Anet would issue a statement about all of this, but somehow I don’t think that’s what we’ll get.

/sign

Not going to stop playing over this, it’s still a very good game, just a slightly less good game.
It all depends wether this ascended gear is simply an attempt to fix the current design where your definitive gear is quite easy to obtain, or wether they intend to implement even more powerful gear down the road.
Personally I don’t mind a good grind to make that last bit of gear feel that more valuable, it’s only when it subsequently gets devaluated by the introduction of more powerful gear.
So what’ll it be Anet, a one time gear grind or a gear threadmill. Either take a step back or let us know with an official statement wether this is the last item quality you introduce.

Ballistic.4531:

/signed

I’m still checking these forums to see if Anet would issue a statement about all of this, but somehow I don’t think that’s what we’ll get.

It’ll get ignored or the thread will be closed with the obligatory stupid comment from a mod that the feedback has been passed along. Anet will make no meaningful statement and the train will roll on. That said, I agree with the OP and will

/sign

I dont need the best stuff in the game to be happy.
BUT one big problem i have with a gear treadmill is the constant need to re-balance the events to the new introduced gear.
Something that can be a lot of work and is totally unnecessary.
It seems like Anet is going down the path of so many companies these days: Existing costumers are worth nothing while new customers are worth everything.

What a shame!

Jelle.2807:

/sign

Not going to stop playing over this, it’s still a very good game, just a slightly less good game.
It all depends wether this ascended gear is simply an attempt to fix the current design where your definitive gear is quite easy to obtain, or wether they intend to implement even more powerful gear down the road.
Personally I don’t mind a good grind to make that last bit of gear feel that more valuable, it’s only when it subsequently gets devaluated by the introduction of more powerful gear.
So what’ll it be Anet, a one time gear grind or a gear threadmill. Either take a step back or let us know with an official statement wether this is the last item quality you introduce.

What would be the point of infusions if they don’t design content for the upgraded infusions they plan to release? There is no way this can play out except they make content designed around infusions from here on out (besides fluffy holiday events) and you have to maintain and upgrade your infusions and gear to play the content they are devoting their resources to release.

In their vision all new dungeon content will revolve around a gated style of progression that you have to have the latest to engage in, and a stat gap will always exist in all forms of the game besides sPVP between you and the players that devote themselves to Ascended.

If they are devoting resources to this you will have far less resources devoted to other things, and it will make running anything else much harder. The game barely had the population to do dungeon runs outside of CoF and AC before this patch.

Stego.3148:

Jelle.2807:

/sign

Not going to stop playing over this, it’s still a very good game, just a slightly less good game.
It all depends wether this ascended gear is simply an attempt to fix the current design where your definitive gear is quite easy to obtain, or wether they intend to implement even more powerful gear down the road.
Personally I don’t mind a good grind to make that last bit of gear feel that more valuable, it’s only when it subsequently gets devaluated by the introduction of more powerful gear.
So what’ll it be Anet, a one time gear grind or a gear threadmill. Either take a step back or let us know with an official statement wether this is the last item quality you introduce.

What would be the point of infusions if they don’t design content for the upgraded infusions they plan to release? There is no way this can play out except they make content designed around infusions from here on out and you have to maintain and upgrade your infusions and gear to play the content they are devoting their resources to release.

In their vision all new dungeon content will revolve around a gated style of progression that you have to have the latest to engage in, and a stat gap will always exist in all forms of the game besides sPVP between you and the players that devote themselves to Ascended.

you miss a vital point: OBSOLESCENCE

not only exotics become less effective, but runes, sigils, crests and jewels become useless too.
The only way to keep the old content and go further with the agony mechanic is tweek the ascedend stats to the exotic stats and let the players infuse the current exotic set.

Signed.

It’s sad to see that a game that started out with a manifesto with great ideas; that promised a game without grind, where old content would still be fun and challenging, and where one could just relax and play a bit once in a while and enjoy the game, is changing into being just a meaningless grind mill like the other MMOs. :/

Fully support this. Ascended gear was the worst active mistake by Arenanet, although bigger mistakes have been made by omission.

I agree. It won’t take forever until “level 80 with full ascended only” parties start to pop up.
And I really don’t like that nagging feeling that even though my gear is exotic and 99% the same as ascended, it’s still worse.

At the very least, make ascended gear available through tokens. Although, that’d make all the other dungeons obsolete, unless they too give ascended gear, which would make crafting worse because it’d be the only way not to get them.

Blegh, just remove ascended gear.

i have to /sign on this one.
i am not even level 80, havn’t done over 50% of the map and need to do a lot of dungeons before i even attempt getting Ascended gear.
but once i (finnaly) get to that point, users will be already asking for frac. levels over the hundreds, something i can never catch up to. if i am one of those few who still need to start at frac. level 1, while everyone else is far ahead, it will ruin my experience in the game.

Please, return to your aviary: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads