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Posted by: hrkljus.1243

hrkljus.1243

So I ended up replying in the large Ascenended gear feedback thread and writing a large post with constructive criticism/suggestions and thought it was worth a post here. So here it goes:

http://www.arena.net/blog/is-it-fun-colin-johanson-on-how-arenanet-measures-success

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

Now I would understand if the system simply wasn’t working, or if they had no idea how to make an mmo without vertical progression, but they are the ones behind Guild Wars 1, which was amazingly successful and had absolutely no gear grind or power creep! Check out the list of best selling video games of all time on wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PC – guess which game is on there? Guild Wars – with over 6.5 million copies sold!

I’m still pretty confident that they will change the system back and remove the grind – after all, they are all humans, they make mistakes and I’m 100% sure they want what’s best for their game. After all, a lot of the developers are gamers too and I simply think they just misjudged their player base needs.

As for suggestions/constructive criticism, all they have to do is look back to Guild Wars 1!

- Titles (GWAMM, Hero/Gladiator, Survivor etc.) – make them more visible and try to spice it up a bit – in GW1 the hardcore players were grinding thousands of hours for these to feel prestigious, and they really were an “oh wow” factor when you saw someone with a cool title.

- Skins – make different tiers of skins, not stats! You say exotics are too easy to get and legendaries too hard – make some skins that fit inbetween to fill the time-gap you want to close! Some of these skins already exist in game as exotics, how about you add a new tier like legendaries (no stat difference, just prestiege) and make them cooler than exotics but less cool than legendaries!

- Cool emotes – rank/zrank and these come to mind. Make them availabe outside of the pvp lobby and people will go kittening mental about them – everyone who played GW1 knows that. Make an emote for sPvP (we already have that kinda), make one for WvW and have it require multiple things (kills/captures/100% WvW map etc.), make one for PvE and have it require every dungeon every run completed/100% world map and similar things.

- More content – you are doing this incredibly well! And that does count as progression a lot! If you keep pumping new content updates like these every 1/2/3 months, people will keep playing the game like no other! Doing new content is worth endlessly more than repeating old one so this is the thing that will keep people playing the most! And of course, couple it with unique skins and other cool items in the gem store (town clothes, cool consumables, new dances?) and you will have enough money to keep Colin smiling for ever (and we all know that is the whole point anyway)!

Ok so this turned out to be much longer than I though it will be and I seriously hope someone reads this at some point (please if someone does, just reply and you will make me very very happy). And if nothing else, perhaps if you listen to these suggestions and make us happy, perhaps, you will get some more… cupcakes?

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Posted by: Primalpat.1026

Primalpat.1026

I agree completely. A new tier of skins would make some people look extremely cool, and would give them more prestige than someone like me who cannot play as often. Eventually I would earn gear that would look just right in my own eyes, but by then more skins would be out (thus a horizontal progression would be maintained).

Not to sound whiny, but I’ve spent a fair amount of money for gems… however I am unlikely to do so again. I am uncertain if I want to continue even playing (much less spend money). I don’t like vertical progression because it rewards time invested (time I don’t have) with statistical bonuses over me.

This doesn’t hurt the PvE community as bad as it hurts the WvW community. Seems like WvW isn’t as important to ArenaNet as the other game modes…

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Posted by: hrkljus.1243

hrkljus.1243

>This doesn’t hurt the PvE community as bad as it hurts the WvW community.

100% agree with you on that. If Ascended items were PvE only I would kind of just ignore the new change, since I’m not such a PvE player, however now I’m starting to feel underpowered in WvW as people get Ascended items, and it’s just not a good feeling. And god knows I don’t have time to grind for Ascended items with such little free time that my college gives me.

Edit: All in all though, I seriously believe a new higher stats tier could be avoided. Guild Wars 1 kept players playing for very long times for prestige/cosmetic awards which were respected and it worked amazingly well.

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Posted by: SatyrBuddy.1586

SatyrBuddy.1586

They could just disable these items or downscale them everywhere but the fractals. If they did that 99% of the complaining will just disappear overnight. Fractals are, from what I’ve seen, for the people wanting raid content.

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Posted by: hrkljus.1243

hrkljus.1243

They could just disable these items or downscale them everywhere but the fractals. If they did that 99% of the complaining will just disappear overnight.

Agree, but it seems that they are worried that their game doesn’t have enough progression/end game, so Ascended items were their solution. I sincerely hope they fix that and make some fun horizontal progression like we have in GW1.

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Posted by: SatyrBuddy.1586

SatyrBuddy.1586

They could just disable these items or downscale them everywhere but the fractals. If they did that 99% of the complaining will just disappear overnight.

Agree, but it seems that they are worried that their game doesn’t have enough progression/end game, so Ascended items were their solution. I sincerely hope they fix that and make some fun horizontal progression like we have in GW1.

Maybe they can swap “progression” with “feats of strength” or “achievements” ? The last game didnt really have gear progression past prestige stuff. Progression was invisible for the most part which what they may be trying to fix this time around with aesthetics. However the method seems to have gotten them this round because they claim that people got legendaries too quickly though the gap between exotic and legendary is enormous. The fix is not progress its stuff to do. But thats an entirely different thread of crap I can talk for days about.

Yes the things they have now is a literal time vampire so I think an in between was needed but I dont agree with the stat fix. Again this causes problems and undermines their manifesto/philosophy.

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Posted by: hrkljus.1243

hrkljus.1243

>Maybe they can swap “progression” with “feats of strength” or “achievements” ?

Yea that’s exactly the kind of “progression” I would like them to add (similar to gw1 – titles/prestigeous emotes/etc).

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Posted by: Vlaneykins.2654

Vlaneykins.2654

I agree on the Ascendent gear, it really should be PvE only. Or else we’re seeing over selves in a never ending rotating circle with new gear that always forces WvW players to go back to PvE for HOURS and grind the new gear.

It would be totally okay if the gear is PvE only, though. Then its fun to collect them as prestige items in WvW.

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Posted by: Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073

It would be totally okay if the gear is PvE only, though. Then its fun to collect them as prestige items in WvW.

I wouldn’t, because it would mean that I’d need to carry multiple sets of gear. Which means I’d need more inventory space.

Think how many people would see that as a blatant cash grab.

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Posted by: HumaCarrionEater.8254

HumaCarrionEater.8254

Yes! This is ridiculous and if they make their game a soulless gear treadmill I am going to feel pretty betrayed. I came to GW2 partly because I was sick to death of grinding just so I could experience the full game experience. I think you are spot on with some things that I personally would love to see as markers of success/work, especially skins and new gestures. That’s what I want most, the ability to truly customize my toon.