Ugly Best-In-Slot vendors
This was an idea I had myself the other day, and I’m sure many people have had as well. I think tiers can even be left out of it; let the gear be basic rarity, white crap, looking like noob armor. Just give it the stats and upgradeable slots as best in slot gear. This would help Anet in the long run, as it pushes players not only to keep playing to acquire better looking gear to transmute the stats onto, but also to buy fine transmutation stones. Money for Anet, grindless B.I.S. acquisition for all of us who were promised it, cosmetic grind for horizontal progression and end-game reward.
Arenanet lies.
I think tiers can even be left out of it;
Rarity is directly linked to stats. I don’t think it can be easily removed.
Nor do I see any advantage in doing so. I don’t care what color the text of my items are, only their stats and outwards appearance.
All read is, Because World of Warcraft just hands you gear so people feel like they are winners. I think that Lazy people should be able to get the same gear as the people that Bust their Kittens off either
Crafting
Running Dungeons
or farming Karma
cause it is only fair that everyone is equal, cause we are in a day and age that no child is left behind, and even though this is making kids stupid we will still do it so A.Net should do it too.
All read is, Because World of Warcraft just hands you gear so people feel like they are winners. I think that Lazy people should be able to get the same gear as the people that Bust their Kittens off either
Crafting
Running Dungeons
or farming Karma
cause it is only fair that everyone is equal, cause we are in a day and age that no child is left behind, and even though this is making kids stupid we will still do it so A.Net should do it too.
Tell me how someone can bust their kitten off crafting or farming karma and acquire max stats in all equipment slots when Ascended gear comes out of exactly 1 dungeon and is untradeable.
TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
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TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
Thank you and to the other person that qouted me look on the other thread for your answer
TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
You may note that I never specified cost. Or even that these vendors should be quickest. Just that players should have a choice in how they put the time in.
TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
Thank you and to the other person that qouted me look on the other thread for your answer
I’ll look to that thread later, and reply to you there in the context of that thread.
In the context of this thread: Currently players can only get Ascended gear through FOTM. With my suggestion, they will be able to get them via any way they can think of to acquire gold and/or karma.
TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
You may note that I never specified cost. Or even that these vendors should be quickest. Just that players should have a choice in how they put the time in.
TBH that sounded a lot like you just aren’t willing to put in the time to get the stuff you want and want an easy way out… I’m not convinced we need one.
Thank you and to the other person that qouted me look on the other thread for your answer
I’ll look to that thread later, and reply to you there in the context of that thread.
In the context of this thread: Currently players can only get Ascended gear through FOTM. With my suggestion, they will be able to get them via any way they can think of to acquire gold and/or karma.
So by your example why run FoTM there would be no need to.
Your wanting something that people work hard to get with out all the hard work.
What if the vendor just sold generic BiS items all with the same generic skins? That way if you want a certain look you still have to go get it. Similar to GW1 where you could recreate most (all?) green weapons relatively easily minus the skin.
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So hand out BiS gear for people that don’t want to run a dungeon cause they are too lazy. I say stop being lazy
I’m confused. How is BiS gear not already insanely easy to get? I was able to find some generic level 80 exotic with the stats I needed on the TP for very reasonable coin within a day or 2 of hitting 90. I’m less trying to be critical here and more thinking I’m genuinely missing some point.
So by your example why run FoTM there would be no need to.
Your wanting something that people work hard to get with out all the hard work.
The need for running FOTM is quite simple: It’s the only place that currently offers the best stats. If people want to be on a level playing field, they need the best stats. So they must run FOTM.
Lets use board games as an analogy to gearing for WvW. Chess as the equivalent to WvW, checkers for FOTM. They current setup is like saying that if someone has played checkers enough, they get to start a chess game with an extra piece on the board in reward for their ‘hard work’.
Does that sound fair to you ?
So back to GW2: Why does someone who has spent a lot of time playing FOTM deserve to have a stat advantage over another WvW player ?
So hand out BiS gear for people that don’t want to run a dungeon cause they are too lazy. I say stop being lazy
It’s not laziness. It’s that we have other more important things to do with our time, we don’t want to sit down and have even more work before getting to the entertaining parts of the game.
Especially if they like WvW, because all the time they spend running FOTM is time they haven’t spent honing their skills at WvW.
I’m confused. How is BiS gear not already insanely easy to get? I was able to find some generic level 80 exotic with the stats I needed on the TP for very reasonable coin within a day or 2 of hitting 90. I’m less trying to be critical here and more thinking I’m genuinely missing some point.
It’s not exotics that are the problem. It’s Ascended items. Lets look at backpieces:
First you need: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vial_of_Condensed_Mists_Essence
A random drop from FOTM that binds on pickup.
Then 240 philosophers stones. Which cost 24 skill points in total.
50 ecto
250 of a T6 material.
Then you need to infuse it. Then you can talk about rings and their infusions.
So by your example why run FoTM there would be no need to.
Your wanting something that people work hard to get with out all the hard work.
The need for running FOTM is quite simple: It’s the only place that currently offers the best stats. If people want to be on a level playing field, they need the best stats. So they must run FOTM.
Lets use board games as an analogy to gearing for WvW. Chess as the equivalent to WvW, checkers for FOTM. They current setup is like saying that if someone has played checkers enough, they get to start a chess game with an extra piece on the board in reward for their ‘hard work’.
Does that sound fair to you ?So back to GW2: Why does someone who has spent a lot of time playing FOTM deserve to have a stat advantage over another WvW player ?
So hand out BiS gear for people that don’t want to run a dungeon cause they are too lazy. I say stop being lazy
It’s not laziness. It’s that we have other more important things to do with our time, we don’t want to sit down and have even more work before getting to the entertaining parts of the game.
Especially if they like WvW, because all the time they spend running FOTM is time they haven’t spent honing their skills at WvW.
So your whole point is I PvP and someone with X gear and mine is B gear will beat me ?
This isn’t World of Warcraft, gear is not a heavy factor in on this Exotic gear to Ascended gear is not that game breaking. Just like the guy with the Legendary two handier is not a guarantee win against the person with the green weapons.
You need to get the WoW mentality out of your head, sure it gives you a slight advantage it is never going to be a balanced and even playing field in WvWvW, you want balance go play SPvP or TPvP. Then you don’t have to worry about Ascended gear
You can look through countless Dev post and comments that Arena Net Stats that Guild Wars 2 is not focused around gear, it does play a part but a very small part in the over all picture.
If you can’t beat someone because they had a 2 to 5% advantage over you then you sucked anyhow
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So hand out BiS gear for people that don’t want to run a dungeon cause they are too lazy. I say stop being lazy
So i’m lazy, sue me. I played grind-based multiplayer rpg games long before WoW was even in plans – even before era of graphical MMO’s. I’m frankly tired of this approach. I have worked long and hard enough already. Now i’d rather skip tutorial and go to real, fun play right away.
You can, of course, stay in tutorial as long as you want. Don’t force it on me.
Actions, not words.
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So by your example why run FoTM there would be no need to.
Your wanting something that people work hard to get with out all the hard work.
The need for running FOTM is quite simple: It’s the only place that currently offers the best stats. If people want to be on a level playing field, they need the best stats. So they must run FOTM.
Lets use board games as an analogy to gearing for WvW. Chess as the equivalent to WvW, checkers for FOTM. They current setup is like saying that if someone has played checkers enough, they get to start a chess game with an extra piece on the board in reward for their ‘hard work’.
Does that sound fair to you ?So back to GW2: Why does someone who has spent a lot of time playing FOTM deserve to have a stat advantage over another WvW player ?
So hand out BiS gear for people that don’t want to run a dungeon cause they are too lazy. I say stop being lazy
It’s not laziness. It’s that we have other more important things to do with our time, we don’t want to sit down and have even more work before getting to the entertaining parts of the game.
Especially if they like WvW, because all the time they spend running FOTM is time they haven’t spent honing their skills at WvW.So your whole point is I PvP and someone with X gear and mine is B gear will beat me ?
This isn’t World of Warcraft, gear is not a heavy factor in on this Exotic gear to Ascended gear is not that game breaking. Just like the guy with the Legendary two handier is not a guarantee win against the person with the green weapons.
You need to get the WoW mentality out of your head, sure it gives you a slight advantage it is never going to be a balanced and even playing field in WvWvW, you want balance go play SPvP or TPvP. Then you don’t have to worry about Ascended gear
You can look through countless Dev post and comments that Arena Net Stats that Guild Wars 2 is not focused around gear, it does play a part but a very small part in the over all picture.
If you can’t beat someone because they had a 2 to 5% advantage over you then you sucked anyhow
What you said is partly right. What most people seem to forget is that this game unlinke WoW and such, relies heavily on individual skill. With so few skills at your disposal during combat how and when you use them is important. With that said, any skilled player would easily defeat an unskilled player with ascended gear. The gear isn’t the problem. People are just still in WoW mode.
Well Anet said they will add max stats gear to many part of the game , so we dont have to farm fractals to get it. Still waiting for this.
Honestly , i dont care about people argument it is 2/5% better , if it IS better , then it is better. And Anet promised there would be no grind for max stats gear , ONLY for looks.
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Well Anet said they will add max stats gear to many part of the game , so we dont have to farm fractals to get it. Still waiting for this.
Honestly , i dont care about people argument it is 2/5% better , if it IS better , then it is better. And Anet promised there would be no grind for max stats gear , ONLY for looks.
Actually I just watched a you-tube video this morning about what Anet said and didn’t say. They said there would be gear to have to chase after, unlike in other games the gear will not be the end all. So a player that chooses to not chase will not be negatively impacted to the person that doesn’t.
To the Poster that said he has been grinding for years and doesn’t want to do it anymore and feels he should just be given the weapons.
Say this fact holds true and it is 100% valid, you can’t prove you have nor can anyone else prove they have been playing like this for years.
Secondly If you been playing Rpg, MMo, and the like for years why are you complain about it now? You should be use to it, and if it is something that annoys you, why are you playing?
Well Anet said they will add max stats gear to many part of the game , so we dont have to farm fractals to get it. Still waiting for this.
Honestly , i dont care about people argument it is 2/5% better , if it IS better , then it is better. And Anet promised there would be no grind for max stats gear , ONLY for looks.
Actually I just watched a you-tube video this morning about what Anet said and didn’t say. They said there would be gear to have to chase after, unlike in other games the gear will not be the end all. So a player that chooses to not chase will not be negatively impacted to the person that doesn’t.
Well that is one video , on posts im quite sure they did , but now , dont ask me to go find it heh.
Also , the post they said they will add to many parts of the game is quite recent and was made to … “diminish” the rage over the gear , quite sure can still find it easily.
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Ok so they initially decide to do some sort of gear progression, we are not in dis-agreement about this. They have made it so the Gear progression is not greatly out powering the existing gear, when if fact is is more cosmetic and a sign of someones dedication more so than my gear trump’s you every time suck it.
So because people complained about end game content and something to keep their motivation for it, and Legendary’s became vastly underestimated in time spent to get them by Arena Net ( as said Themselves) the implemented the gear chase earlier and made it harder to get the legendary’s.
This is the way I look at it, GW2 is not a Pay to Play game, you bought the box and that is where the bank on the money, not form the gem store ( as people say, since you can not Guarantee players will use it ever) the only Guarantee is the box sales. So if people are so unhappy with it then why continue to play?
People always say how GW2 is dying every day and to go look at forums of people saying they hate the game. There is a site that dedicates to Information searching and with the whole aversion and debacle over WoW vs. GW2 they have done the studies.
GW2 from the 423k Congruent player base only about 5.8k of the players hate the game, yet continue to play.
WoW(MoP) out of the 800k Congruent player base 12k players say they hate how the game plays but still play it.
So to the people that say I am not alone your right, your not, but your still only a small fraction of the over all player base that is enjoying it.
If the game annoys you that much or your hate it that much Why play it?
Well first my sig answers you last question heh. Still i hold some hope Anet might fix this before i leave , cause i really never go back to MMOs , even without subs , so i want to make sure before i leave.
Now i find that GW2 congruent population … strange. Not saying it is wrong , maybe it is right and all. But honestly , the game is very new and the population is still adjusting.
My guild with 500 player and people not coming back every week and we having to kick/ recruit more every week … well dunno , im not saying the game is dying , just that i find the 423k the “high season” , and now we going back to a more normal population.
Will GW2 die? I believe the chance of this happening is so small we can almost say it will not happen for sure.
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@Kaimick.5109
If the time investment required to acquire the gear from these best in slot vendors was significantly larger than the time investment for other routes, would you have a problem ?
By that I’m meaning something like 1 week for the item grinding a specific dungeon, 4 weeks to get enough gold/karma to buy from the vendors.
Because this suggestion was focused on making there multiple ways to get best in slot gear, not making it quickly acquired.
Ok so they initially decide to do some sort of gear progression, we are not in dis-agreement about this. They have made it so the Gear progression is not greatly out powering the existing gear, when if fact is is more cosmetic and a sign of someones dedication more so than my gear trump’s you every time suck it.
Lets take two card games: Solitaire and Poker.
What the FOTM grind is doing is the equivalent of saying that someone who has won enough solitaire games gets to have an extra card in their poker hand. How is that fair to poker players ?
So because people complained about end game content and something to keep their motivation for it, and Legendary’s became vastly underestimated in time spent to get them by Arena Net ( as said Themselves) the implemented the gear chase earlier and made it harder to get the legendary’s.
They could have just implemented items that were actually between Legendary weapons and exotics: Items with exotic stats, a price between exotic and Legendary, and a look also between them. Those wouldn’t have caused complaints.
not form the gem store ( as people say, since you can not Guarantee players will use it ever) the only Guarantee is the box sales.
But you can guarantee that some of the players will buy from the store. That’s how f2p games operate, they know that most players will be freeloaders, but that those freeloaders are necessary to keep the population high enough to keep the paying customers happy.
Also you can’t predict which freeloader will start paying in 6 months or not, so you can’t treat them too badly.
As for box sales, GW2 will have expansions. Lots of people who don’t buy from the gem store will still buy them.
So if people are so unhappy with it then why continue to play?
Because there is no other MMO that offers what ANET promised with GW2. They are complaining because of a lack of options (leave GW2 and we have to choose between grind or non-MMOs) and a hope that ANET can change direction.
The people who want vertical progression have plenty of other choices.
From a business standponit, who is a more valuable customer: A loyal one who keeps coming back, or one that will leave when the next big thing comes along ?
GW2 was advertised as a game with little grinding for stats. You seem to like grinding for them. Why did you decide to buy GW2 ?
GW2 from the 423k Congruent player base only about 5.8k of the players hate the game, yet continue to play.
WoW(MoP) out of the 800k Congruent player base 12k players say they hate how the game plays but still play it.
Could I see a source for those numbers ?
I agree with the OP completely but I would implement it differently.
There should be some new vendors introduced that are able to upgrade your Exotic gear to Ascended tier for a reasonable price, 1-10g a piece. Keeping the skin, the stat combinations, but upgrading stats and adding infusion slots. This way the easy to obtain max gear status quo remains, while the cooler/rarer skins are still something to work for/brag about/sell for tons of cash (oh wait, you can’t – that also needs to be fixed).
Of course this system would be there also if/when Anet introduces new gear tiers. The vendors would be able to upgrade n-1 tier items to n tier items (where n is the currently obtainable highest tier gear). Also, this would not be exclusive to the highest tier. Let’s say if from 3 months now there are new tiers, you would not have to own the second best set in order to be able to obtain the best at that time.
Your exotics could be a starting point to upgrade to ascended, then ascended +1, and in the end ascended +2. But what is important is it to have a set and reasonable price.
This should be capable to satisfy both the “OMG GEAR GRIND IM LEAVING” and the “I WANT MOAR SHINIES/ENDGAME” crowd.
There should be some new vendors introduced that are able to upgrade your Exotic gear to Ascended tier for a reasonable price, 1-10g a piece. Keeping the skin, the stat combinations, but upgrading stats and adding infusion slots. This way the easy to obtain max gear status quo remains, while the cooler/rarer skins are still something to work for/brag about/sell for tons of cash (oh wait, you can’t – that also needs to be fixed).
That could be difficult for ANET to code. Especially if higher tier equipment doesn’t use runes and has nothing similar to some rune effects.
Making vendors, copying an items stats onto a different skin, and stocking those vendors up with the new items seem much simpler. So minimal new code, and that’s mostly going to be a copy and paste of known working code.
Also, I think ANET would be against free skin transfers because those would reduce transmutation stone sales.
I was thinking about that also, but I’m not familiar with the exact stats of Ascended items, so I assumed that they can come with identical (but improved) stats that we can produce, + the infusion slot. But if this is the case then we essentially killed off runes?
Btw “difficult to code” should not be an excuse. This is not the 7 year old GW1 with a small Live Team. The game is 3 months old, fully backed up by multiple teams.
The transmutation stone reasoning is valid, but my approach would stop Anet pricing ugly looking Ascended items like t3 cultural sets.
This is the main point of the issue. Max gear to be easy to obtain. Just like the main philosophy of GW. It seemed to be the case in GW2 also, but nowadays? Not so much. I still hope they’ll prove me wrong, and it’ll just turn out that we were impatient little kids.
I was thinking about that also, but I’m not familiar with the exact stats of Ascended items, so I assumed that they can come with identical (but improved) stats that we can produce, + the infusion slot. But if this is the case then we essentially killed off runes?
All we know so far is that an Ascended backpiece/ring without an infusion has greater stats than an Exotic backpiece/ring with the same jewel attached. Then infusions raise stats further.
We don’t know if there will be rune equivalents or not.
Btw “difficult to code” should not be an excuse. This is not the 7 year old GW1 with a small Live Team. The game is 3 months old, fully backed up by multiple teams.
Difficult to code also means a higher chance of bugs slipping through testing and making it live. It also means more work each time best in slot changes, as they have to test all the possible new upgrade paths. A new vendor just needs to be tested to ensure it spits out the right gear.
So the vendor could be implemented basically overnight, plus however long it takes to get through ANET’s internal code approval processes. An upgrade path would take longer.
But lets ignore coding difficulties, I still see nothing in the upgrade system that would make me prefer it to just replacing my gear. But I do see one thing that might make me prefer the replacement method: How would I go about getting a second set of max stat armor with a different stat combo under the replacement method ?
This is the main point of the issue. Max gear to be easy to obtain. Just like the main philosophy of GW. It seemed to be the case in GW2 also, but nowadays? Not so much. I still hope they’ll prove me wrong, and it’ll just turn out that we were impatient little kids.
Agreed.
No. I don’t want some lazy loser wearing my gear just because he sold some gems…
Go to a dungeon, earn your gear…
No. I don’t want some lazy loser wearing my gear just because he sold some gems…
Go to a dungeon, earn your gear…
First off all, it won’t be your gear. We are not suggesting the fractal items with the same skin to be sold at vendors, but some generic skins with ascended stats.
Secondly, this is not wow. I’d go to FOTM, but I’m not really into pugs. Even if I wanted to, I guess the expectation would be big scale + full exotic + asc gear. Since I have never been there I have no big scale or asc item. Guess what? That narrows down my chances to get a group for it. I guess I’m not alone with this.
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No. I don’t want some lazy loser wearing my gear just because he sold some gems…
Go to a dungeon, earn your gear…
Would you have any objection if these vendors were karma only ?