Guild Wars 2

Mounts are most likely not even possible to create in gw2. The simple fact is that each map is an instance.
Let’s take lions arch for example. If you travel to the boundaries of the map- the map simply stops, you can’t progress to another map near it (Example: Going from Lions arch directly north to genderran fields) so if mounts were introduced; They simple wouldnt be worth the effort of being able to travel from one side of a map to another in a slightly reduced time when we clearly have waypoints that do the job better

This won’t go over well but…
What I’d love to see is an open sea based map where you and your comrades could use a ship. They have them anchored in lions arch, why not let me take it out for a spin!

As for land mounts, I love MMO mounts, but I don’t feel this is the game for them.

just let players ride each other

mXz.4512:

GreyMouser.1235:

Arenanet has already specifically said that mounts will not be added to the game. Period.

I hope they hold true to this. Adding mounts would just turn this into WoW.2, thus I’d be forced to abandon this. Never played wow, only seen it and aghast by every bit of it. This game’s perfectly fine without ’em.

You people are ridiculous.

RockSW.9147:

mXz.4512:

GreyMouser.1235:

Arenanet has already specifically said that mounts will not be added to the game. Period.

I hope they hold true to this. Adding mounts would just turn this into WoW.2, thus I’d be forced to abandon this. Never played wow, only seen it and aghast by every bit of it. This game’s perfectly fine without ’em.

You people are ridiculous.

mXz.4512:

GreyMouser.1235:

Arenanet has already specifically said that mounts will not be added to the game. Period.

I hope they hold true to this. Adding mounts would just turn this into WoW.2, thus I’d be forced to abandon this. Never played wow, only seen it and aghast by every bit of it. This game’s perfectly fine without ’em.

at around 9:11

here is a video where mounts is asked about at the recent Pax and Anet’s statement is the same now as it was at launch. Which is not 100% factual denial but more of a slight by saying “not at this time”, means at a later time it very well could become a possibility. But then again who am I to judge you based on your comprehension level of the statements.

uknortherner.2670:

Personally, I’m tired of these threads. GW2 does not need mounts.

Yep. Waypoints take away any possible need to have mounts. I’m so sick of seeing these stupid threads pop up.

mXz.4512:

GreyMouser.1235:

Arenanet has already specifically said that mounts will not be added to the game. Period.

I hope they hold true to this. Adding mounts would just turn this into WoW.2, thus I’d be forced to abandon this. Never played wow, only seen it and aghast by every bit of it. This game’s perfectly fine without ’em.

Honestly, if mounts of all things were WoW’s biggest problem, it would be the best MMO ever.

I wouldn’t object to mounts in this game. Nice vanity item, would make travel a little less painful, and all that. Mounted COMBAT, on the other hand, would be something that I’d rather not have the devs try to tackle.

How about mounts for the sake of roleplaying?

After reading through most of this thread, I believe I have come to a reasonable conclusion that there are two groups at work here.

The first group is made of players who desire mounts added to the game. Their reasons are numerous, but mainly boil down to furthering immersion and status. The addition of horses, for example.

The second group is made of players who are opposed to adding mounts to the game. Their reasons border on being outright fanatical, with many of their arguments being of the quality seen on 4chan or SomethingAwful.

The most common argument against adding mounts to the game seems to be “Lawlnope, I want my game to be unique, and I am entitled to being a special snowflake.”

The most common, and somewhat reasonable argument seems to be that players feel that adding mounts would unbalance the game, or open a can of worms that would result in what happened in WoW. (That is, the introduction of flying mounts invalidating most of the game)

Of these arguments there are two points that are brought up again and again. These two points seem to be poorly thought out and seem to play into the original argument of wanting to be a pretty, unique snowflake. So, let us look into them, shall we?

Point #1. Mounts will allow you to avoid mobs by simply running past them.

How is this different from how the game works right now? If I have a 33% movement speed boost, I can very easily just run right by a mob and they wont be able to touch me or catch up to me. Only ranged mobs can actually put me into combat, but not every mob is ranged.

However, it seems as if a number of players feel that being on a mount would prevent you from being marked as ‘in-combat’, and thus losing the speed buff, so you’d simply be able to ignore mobs. These same players also seem to believe that there is no way that this could be fixed. It is impossible. Well, let me tell you something that might surprise you: It is possible! Shocking, right?

There are a number of methods we could use in this specific circumstance. First, we could have a system similar to Aion, in which every strike has a chance to knock you off your mount, with each additional strike having a higher chance. Or, we could simply treat a mount as a passive speed buff with a unique animation, and have you enter combat normally once you’re struck with the mount vanishing in a poof of smoke. (Oh noes, mounts going poof is breaking my immersion, because magical clones are completely realistic!)

Point #2. Waypoints are there for a reason. They are the method intended to act as transportation throughout the game.

I’ve seen this argument many times, and ironically I’ve seen it used in the same paragraph as when someone suggests that mounts would remove a player’s ability to enjoy the scenery. At this point I have to question someone’s sanity, as porting around the map clearly allows you to enjoy the scenery more than running slightly faster, right?

Because of the instantaneous travel of waypoints, the addition of mounts will not invalidate their use. If you need to get across the map for an event, you will still use a waypoint, because the speed of a mount will never get you there in time, unless it was something like 5000%.

Now, what are the benefits of having mounts?

Well, one benefit of having a mount is giving all professions an equal ability to cross terrain at a reasonable pace. Take the Guardian as an example, due to the profession’s lack of a passive ability to increase their movement speed to 25%. This makes them feel incredibly sluggish when compared to other classes outside of combat. A mount would allow them an option to catch up with other characters!

There are, of course, roleplaying aspects of adding mounts. Think of the amount of money ANet could make by introducing unique mount skins! I know that some of you will complain about immersion in this area once again, but let me ask you something. Why are you willing to accept 8-bit swords, and not someone riding on a deer with a red and green saddle?

The final point I’ve heard discussed is what speed a mount should give. If mounts were ever to be added to GW2, it is my belief that they should have one speed, and one speed only. Should this speed be 25%, 33%, or something higher is entirely up to ANet. However, if you truly want to make this game unique and stand out, then have them be one uniform speed. Have players grind for skins, not how fast your mount can go.

TLDR:
Stop being lazy and respect the amount of work people put in responses. If you don’t want to read it, then go take a breath and relax for a while, as you’ve no real purpose on this thread to begin with!

Averath.6283:

The second group is made of players who are opposed to adding mounts to the game. Their reasons border on being outright fanatical, with many of their arguments being of the quality seen on 4chan or SomethingAwful.

In short, people who hold views different to your own should be ignored?

From my perspective, it is the people who want mounts whose reasons border on the fanatical: “Cos they look good”, “every other MMO has them so GW2 can’t be a real MMO without them”, “Mounts are cool”, “remove all waypoints and jumping puzzles cos I want flying mounts now!”, “I want to RP mounts in a series of games that never had them”, etc.

You see what happens when you twist what people say to fit your own pro-mount agenda?

Where exactly did I say people who hold views different from my own should be ignored? I stated that the reasons given from those opposed to adding mounts to the game border on being fanatical. Perhaps I should rephrase this slightly:

I have yet to see a solid argument stating why the addition of mounts to GW2 would be detrimental to the game.

Many of the arguments against adding mounts to GW2 are fanatical arguments where players are opposed to the idea simply because they want to have their game be the special snowflake that defies logic. A world with Centaurs that lacks actual horses?

I will concede that both groups can have arguments that are baseless, but I have only seen pro-mount arguments have any depth outside of “I am right and you are wrong.”

Personally, I would be happy if all professions had access to the same level of movement speed buffs and passives. As it is now, there are some professions, coughGuardiancough, that are kind of screwed out of a reliable means of movement speed out of combat. Compare that to a Thief, Necromancer, Ranger, and Elementalist.

Mounts would be an easy method to equalize the out-of-combat movement speed disparity and lean away from a “have” and “have not” profession system.

Why exactly are half the professions restricted to the base movement speed, by the way? (Outside of extraordinary circumstances, such as spam-equipping kits, specific trait builds + weapons, and constantly spamming utility skills?)

Valhalla.5620:

I know how you feel buddy, even with the 24/7 speed buff on ele (capped 33%). I still feel so slow. Anet should know since they are also developing another mmo “Blade and Soul” and you can run and roam really fast in that game.

ANET is not developing Blade and Soul. The only thing that those games have in common is a publisher.

Averath.6283:

I have yet to see a solid argument stating why the addition of mounts to GW2 would be detrimental to the game.

Full size Norn on a mount standing/running in front of you takes up even more of the screen than it does already. Possible clipping nightmares. Extra screen clutter that some people like myself find detrimental to the game. Possible increase in lag due to extra images being rendered. Finally people that do not want mounts and do not want to see mounts for what ever their reason would indeed find the inclusion of them detrimental to their game.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Averath.6283:

I have yet to see a solid argument stating why the addition of mounts to GW2 would be detrimental to the game.

Full size Norn on a mount standing/running in front of you takes up even more of the screen than it does already. Possible clipping nightmares. Extra screen clutter that some people like myself find detrimental to the game. Possible increase in lag due to extra images being rendered. Finally people that do not want mounts and do not want to see mounts for what ever their reason would indeed find the inclusion of them detrimental to their game.

Well why didn’t you suggest something to fix those reasoning’s. Here I would like to help with that. How about a check box in the options that allows anyone who doesn’t want to see the mounts to disable them. Even if you yourself is riding a mount if the check box was clicked it would just show your normal running animation. Now that would surely allow you to not have those reasons be a detriment to your game play, while allowing the ones who love and would not mind seeing them a chance to have the game play they prefer. Its so much nicer if you could help come up with the idea’s that help shape the idea, so everyone could benefit.

Gummy.4278:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Averath.6283:

I have yet to see a solid argument stating why the addition of mounts to GW2 would be detrimental to the game.

Full size Norn on a mount standing/running in front of you takes up even more of the screen than it does already. Possible clipping nightmares. Extra screen clutter that some people like myself find detrimental to the game. Possible increase in lag due to extra images being rendered. Finally people that do not want mounts and do not want to see mounts for what ever their reason would indeed find the inclusion of them detrimental to their game.

Well why didn’t you suggest something to fix those reasoning’s. Here I would like to help with that. How about a check box in the options that allows anyone who doesn’t want to see the mounts to disable them. Even if you yourself is riding a mount if the check box was clicked it would just show your normal running animation. Now that would surely allow you to not have those reasons be a detriment to your game play, while allowing the ones who love and would not mind seeing them a chance to have the game play they prefer. Its so much nicer if you could help come up with the idea’s that help shape the idea, so everyone could benefit.

Hey if they could do that I wouldn’t care but you make it sound like on top of adding mounts it would be a simple point and click to make a choose not to see them option as well as to make the character’s animation appear normal to those who choose not to see them. You get pretty defensive and quite honestly snotty over this stuff. let me help you with that… You act like the people saying they don’t want mounts are actually keeping you from getting them. I don’t even know why I get in these pointless mount threads. I doubt the game will ever have them anyway so this whole, “I want mounts and if you don’t you are just trying to keep me from getting them.” stuff is rather pointless.

For one last vote since you act like it is keeping you from getting mounts, I don’t want them. I don’t like the way they look and they add extra screen clutter.

Have no idea where to ride mount. There are no giant and almost empty locations like Silithus or Nagrand. ANet should add mounts for next April Fools’ Day only too let mountlikers feel how ridiculous is climb in the saddle, ride to destination and get out of the saddle in less than a minute. It’s just like cab from the bedroom to the kitchen. Tyria isn’t small, it is just… tight, while Azeroth is 70% barrens.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Gummy.4278:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Averath.6283:

I have yet to see a solid argument stating why the addition of mounts to GW2 would be detrimental to the game.

Full size Norn on a mount standing/running in front of you takes up even more of the screen than it does already. Possible clipping nightmares. Extra screen clutter that some people like myself find detrimental to the game. Possible increase in lag due to extra images being rendered. Finally people that do not want mounts and do not want to see mounts for what ever their reason would indeed find the inclusion of them detrimental to their game.

Well why didn’t you suggest something to fix those reasoning’s. Here I would like to help with that. How about a check box in the options that allows anyone who doesn’t want to see the mounts to disable them. Even if you yourself is riding a mount if the check box was clicked it would just show your normal running animation. Now that would surely allow you to not have those reasons be a detriment to your game play, while allowing the ones who love and would not mind seeing them a chance to have the game play they prefer. Its so much nicer if you could help come up with the idea’s that help shape the idea, so everyone could benefit.

Hey if they could do that I wouldn’t care but you make it sound like on top of adding mounts it would be a simple point and click to make a choose not to see them option as well as to make the character’s animation appear normal to those who choose not to see them. You get pretty defensive and quite honestly snotty over this stuff. let me help you with that… You act like the people saying they don’t want mounts are actually keeping you from getting them. I don’t even know why I get in these pointless mount threads. I doubt the game will ever have them anyway so this whole, “I want mounts and if you don’t you are just trying to keep me from getting them.” stuff is rather pointless.

For one last vote since you act like it is keeping you from getting mounts, I don’t want them. I don’t like the way they look and they add extra screen clutter.

Nothing is simple. I feel the same way about you.
Yes I said it before the fastest way to kill a thread is for the ones who oppose it to just not say anything in the thread at all. If you don’t believe me scan though to the first post I put in this thread. I would rather the thread would fail than have to continue debates with equally hardheadedness from either side.

I vote we drop out of the discussion, so this thread can make its decent down though the page and off to the next …until the next one comes about that we should just ignore too.

If Anet implement mount I wish they would be at least 10 times harder and time gated than any legendary weapon : so only legendary mounts just to make everyone raging.

Since I’ve yet to figure out how to quote someone, I will have to do this the old fashioned way.

@JustTrogdor. I should make it clear that I am not for or against mounts. I am for equality of movement speed for all professions. Mounts, however, seem to be the most logical source of such equality, as ANet shipped the game with profession inequality in movement speed, and has gone a full year without addressing such.

Your arguments of screen clutter, rendering issues, and clipping issues are completely valid in this instance. However, I would like to point out that the game suffers from this already, and there is no guarantee that adding mounts would actually influence this to any large degree, depending on how ANet decided to handle them. Also, I do not agree with the argument that mounts should not be added simply because a vocal minority of players do not want them.

@Ghertu. According to your argument, there is no point at all in movement speed boosts in the game. Every profession should move at their base movement speed, and rely entirely upon the waypoint system to get around an instance, because they’re not as open as WoW. Try playing a profession without movement speed buffs for a week. It will start to feel sluggish and slow when people zip by you at 25% or 33% movement speed.

No. I’m sick of seeing this WoW kitten in Guild Wars 2. We don’t need kittening mounts.

Izzy already said no mounts are planned any time soon. Enough with these threads already.

Gummy.4278:

Nothing is simple. I feel the same way about you.
Yes I said it before the fastest way to kill a thread is for the ones who oppose it to just not say anything in the thread at all. If you don’t believe me scan though to the first post I put in this thread. I would rather the thread would fail than have to continue debates with equally hardheadedness from either side.

I vote we drop out of the discussion, so this thread can make its decent down though the page and off to the next …until the next one comes about that we should just ignore too.

The problem with ignoring these threads from an anti-mount standpoint is that the hardcore pro-mount proponents (not including you) would view a dissent-free thread to be a ringing endorsement for mounts.

uknortherner.2670:

Gummy.4278:

Nothing is simple. I feel the same way about you.
Yes I said it before the fastest way to kill a thread is for the ones who oppose it to just not say anything in the thread at all. If you don’t believe me scan though to the first post I put in this thread. I would rather the thread would fail than have to continue debates with equally hardheadedness from either side.

I vote we drop out of the discussion, so this thread can make its decent down though the page and off to the next …until the next one comes about that we should just ignore too.

The problem with ignoring these threads from an anti-mount standpoint is that the hardcore pro-mount proponents (not including you) would view a dissent-free thread to be a ringing endorsement for mounts.

I don’t know usually if a thread hasn’t gotten any comments within a few hours it will be well on its way to the bottom of the first page…I have had some of my own suggestions go to page 2 in 4 hours time. When this happens the thread has even more of a chance of not being seen.

I think the only thing that could settle the dispute is when someone from Anet says hey other than the cosmetic mounts like the Riding Broom and the Sonic Tunneling Tool, we are not going to include a typical speed buff mounting system, this however does not rule out a combat mounted system much like we have carried in the past with the Siege Devour and Junundu and the current Alpha & Omega Siege Golem’s.

If they could do that, that would be grand. I could live with that, you know the truth. This is the real truth to the matter, I don’t know why Anet refuses to just say it. They must think its fun setting back and being silent while people are getting into arguments over it. Getting some jollies over our follies.

GW2 doesn’t need mounts , most classes have at least 1 swiftness boost, beside that WP’s are nearly instant so idk what people are on about , most likely left WoW or any other game with mounts and crying about not having them here.

A lot of people argue that mounts don`t belong in the game for some reason. Why couldn`t the people who want the mounts get the mounts and the others that don`t want them can travel the way they did and use the wp system? I personally think quaggan hats and boxing gloves don`t belong in the game but there they are. But you know what? They don`t bother me because I don`t have to use them.

In an mmo people want what they want. I also really don`t understand the arguments back and fourth because they are really petty. The people who don`t want them feel they have the right to make my decision for me and tell me the game doesn`t need them because they say so because they don`t like it. The people who do want them argue till they are blue in the face because their words just fall on deaf ears. Yeah I could take a wp to travel wherever, but I myself would like to ride around once in awhile if I am not in a rush to get from a to b. What do you honestly care if that is what I want to do? Who cares?

Mounts will come in time though, mark my words. A smart dev will look at the income other games are generating with mount sales and sooner or later get on the bandwagon. You going to quit the game if that happens? Remember before the fractals were released how everyone was in an uproar because they didn`t want a treadmill and threatened to quit if they did it? Well they were released and the people are still playing. I kind imagine it being the same if they added mounts. Still the same.

Rovaeden.8546:

Zacchary.6183:

“because every other MMO has it”, “Because it would look cool” and “Your argument is weak” are not valid reasons to have mounts.

A good majority of the time, the reason why MMOs have mounts is because of a lack of travel. WoW would have a severe lack of means of travel if they did not have mounts and flying mounts at that. On the contrary, Runescape doesn’t have mounts because you can teleport to every major city with a spell.

GW2 does not have a travel problem, it has a lag problem that stems from the fact that they are using an outdated engine. Until they upgrade it, you are never going to see mounts. The server and people’s processors do not need more crap to process.

Zacchary, there are a number of reasons why you are wrong.

(Don’t feel bad, its not just you. Lots of the mindless drones who stomp on the idea of adding mounts to the game do so as a reflexive resistance to change because they have very narrow vision and very limited imagination for what could be.)

How typical. An ad-hominem pro-mount argument focusing on how exciting watching some pixels move are in comparison to instantaneously being where you need to be, when you need to be there.

Definetly yes !!!!!!