Guild Wars 2

Since the whole fractal dungeon idea sounds great on paper, if you get left behind or unable to run them for various reasons – too low scale – too high scale etc etc….and don’t feel like sitting in LA for hours on end trying to get a group going. Basically, it is going to create a massive divide in players equipment level, and for people saying that ascended gear is only slightly better than exotics, believe me ~ it isn’t. I posted kitten of one of the weaker ascended items that someone linked – I’ve seen way better, even one that had a vendor value of 6g !!

Already noticed in LA, getting a group for fractals yesterday wasn’t that easy – I personally wanted to run a higher scale version, no one else did so I was left with two decisions, wait around for X amount of time hoping others showed up or run a lower level one and not level up my scale. Believe me, this dungeon will become hardcore paradise soon, its not going to be about getting tokens, it’ll be all about the scale.

Basically, like the title mentioned. To keep the playing field as balanced as possible, which was one of GW2 main emphasis and we all saw that with exotics and legendary items, however Ascended items can and will totally destroy any balance unless every player can get them and right now, we all know that probably isn’t going to happen unless something changes in the near future regarding these

If Fractal dungeon isn’t going to be playable for most casual/core players because of scale problems and thus, cannot get high enough level in order to get drops then other means needs to be available for players to achieve the same gear level so current balance in game remains.

Idea #1

New Dungeons/Dungeon NPC vendors that offer same level ascended items for tokens, the same way current dungeon gear is attained.

Idea #2

New zones that give ascended items for 100% map completion

In closing, I’ve personally witnessed many MMo’s suffer from poor gearing decisions and obvious knee-jerk reactions to fix them, such as WoW’s infamous Welfare Epics. Anet, if you want to keep this game more or less balanced – you have to rethink pandora’s box that is Fractal, you’ve opened it and now, you have to deal with the backlash it’s inevitably going to cause.

For now you are right to notice something like that. But then again many did much before , and already complained about it much before.

Anet then made the promise that they would add same stats gear on many kinds of gameplay like exos , so players could get them without doing fractals.

Now when , or even if they will keep their promise (something that we know they can break since their word got no value anymore anyway) , that is something we can only wait and see.

Also, not to mention ~ this could be a guild destroyer. Player wants to run hardcore fractals 8hrs a day, players in the guild do not – Player leaves the guild and creates a hardcore fractal progression guild promising constant guild fractal runs….what do you think will happen?

Your on a server with low population and no overflow server? You want to run fractals but getting a group takes forever? You transfer servers, making the W3 balance even more unstable.

Seriously anet, when creating content ~ you have to think about all the knock-on effects that content might have, not from catering to a small % of players complaining about no endgame – in all honesty, like many people have feared – this could be potentially a gamebreaker for many players.

oh and, the biggest problem is new character creation. The fractal system, and ascended items being WAY too expensive makes it nigh impossible for people to create a new character.
Paying over 120 gold for each ascended item, means you have to pull out a year’s worth of farm to get full ascended gear with infusions. Good job Anet.

I think ascended items should drop from champion mobs just out in the world (low % ofcourse). That would sort it out. [shrug]

I say make best in slot available from vendors in ugly skins.

Not even necessarily ugly – just on the same level that basic white droppable/low tier craftable eq.
Basically, Ascended eq should be available from: vendors (gold, karma, dungeon tokens – including old ones, wvwvw tokens), drops (dragon class chests, lev 80 champions, dungeon boss chests etc), crafting (with the difficulty increase no greater that rare→exotic). They must also be sellable in TP. The costs(chance) must be low(high) enough to allow us to think about getting them for multiple characters and builds, not just one.

Theres a simple solution for this, In GW1 the way “INFUSED” items worked, cause basically they are exactly the same thing just repackaged to be new and amazing, was to prevent spectral agony from the Mursaat.

To do this you needed some essence from an eidolon, you took it to a seer to ‘upgrade’ your armor. How about we have a system similiar but any mists creature of significant power can drop essence used for upgrading your current armor to infused/ascended armor, like it was originally meant to work. The stats would boost naturally based on the type of essence you got and upgraded with, enable the drops in ALL zones, naturally higher chances the higher the level satsifying the gear heads, but making it accessible for the regular player.

Just make the kitten things sellable on the TC and make t6 mats have a higher drop rate, right now the drop rate is too low.

What about using the mystic forge to combine other dungeon tokens or dungeon tokens and other materials? So you can enjoy the other dungeons and still get top tier gear?

EDIT: Dungeons that already exist

Valot.7954:

What about using the mystic forge to combine other dungeon tokens or dungeon tokens and other materials? So you can enjoy the other dungeons and still get top tier gear?

EDIT: Dungeons that already exist

That doesn’t help people who don’t like dungeons. It also creates a lot of work for ANET next time they introduce higher stats on items, as they have to change all the vendors. And it screws over people who don’t like doing things that produce tokens.

However almost everyone accumulates gold and karma. So making all stat combinations available through them works for almost everyone.

Astralporing.1957:

Not even necessarily ugly – just on the same level that basic white droppable/low tier craftable eq.

How about skins that ANET keeps changing ?

Changing them doesn’t seem too hard, just replace the files that say what it currently looks like with the new look when they patch. It might even work getting people to go hunting for skins when they see one and decide that they want to keep it, rather than risk waking up to a hated skin tomorrow.

The costs(chance) must be low(high) enough to allow us to think about getting them for multiple characters and builds, not just one.

Agreed. The important parts for acquiring best in slot get is:
– Lots of ways to acquire it. Especially for people who don’t stick to grinding one thing at a time.
– It doesn’t take too much time to acquire.

hmmm… make Fractals reset monthly, problem solved!

Okay first I find the title offensive because it’s not welfare when people who craft armors must first gather enough mats to level crafting before getting it to max before gathering enough end game rare mats to make an entire set for themselves. that’s NOT welfare, we earned making our gear just as much as any dungeon runner earns getting theirs via 500+ runs in their dungeon or raid.

Second, this game was never meant or designed for the gear treadmill. It’s not welfare when the original design was horizontal not vertical.

And finally, before this game came we were promised we would never have vertical progression in this game because it destroys whole gaming communities by having this as the standard for a game, that’s the sole reason why Infused armors are a problem.

Already I’ve seen posts requesting gearscore, dps meters, raids, another tier above infused….it’s getting worse not better.

tigirius.9014

Whoo whoo Hold up I think he was more implying that Vendors should sale gear of equal ratio to people that don’t want to or can’t run Fractals.

Which I all read is, Because World of Warcraft just hands you gear so people feel like they are winners. I think that Lazy people should be able to get the same gear as the people that Bust their Kittens off either
Crafting
Running Dungeons
or farming Karma
cause it is only fair that everyone is equal, cause we are in a day and age that no child is left behind, and even though this is making kids stupid we will still do it so A.Net should do it too.

That is my rant time to copy and paste it to another thread saying the same BS

Kaimick.5109:

That is my rant time to copy and paste it to another thread saying the same BS

Time for a copy and paste response:
Tell me how someone can bust their kitten off crafting or farming karma and acquire max stats in all equipment slots when Ascended gear comes out of exactly 1 dungeon and is untradeable.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

Kaimick.5109:

That is my rant time to copy and paste it to another thread saying the same BS

Time for a copy and paste response:
Tell me how someone can bust their kitten off crafting or farming karma and acquire max stats in all equipment slots when Ascended gear comes out of exactly 1 dungeon and is untradeable.

They can’t but they can produce Exotic equals in crafting and Karma vendors in Orr give a set that is on par with all other exotics.

Ascended is one step above Exotics and one step below Legendary

So people now want to have a vendor they can purchase Ascended gear from with Gold cause they are too lazy to run a dungeon?

You can’t even get a legendary buy throwing gold at it, you actually have to work to get it.

So why should lazy people be rewarded for not working for something?

You’re right! Because making gold in this game isn’t hard at all!

NO no it isn’t, well not for me it isn’t. But lets say the average player has a hard time.

What about all the spoiled kids and lazy payers that decided to throw out $150.00 to purchase gems to purchase gold to buy the ascended. How is that fair to the guy that doesn’t have the money nor has the need to spend real world money to look like he accomplished something rather go out and actually accomplish it?

There are somethings that you just don’t buy with gold…. or shouldn’t be able to buy with gold.

If you want the top level gear for the price of gold World of Warcraft has Gilds that allow you to pay them gold for runs and give you all the gear and loot that drops.

Why should gear wars turn to be the same thing?

What to accommodate the lazy worthless people that ruined Raiding in WoW and most of the game in the first place?

Heya Kaimick, any gold making tips? I only get around 10 silver per session I play (without dying).

Umm yeah I use Omnomberry bars and farm up north by HoTW or Orr events or just do exploratory dungeons. Take that money buy 4 rare Items of the same type and Mystic forge them get an exotic and sale it.

I spend about 2 hours farming between each location and come out with around 10 gold, then I hit up usually CoF all three paths and make around 5 gold spend 1.5 gold on rares and forge 2 out of 10 times I get a Exotic sale it for 5 gold min up to 50 gold. I can do all this in about 3 hours of playing. at the end of the day I make around
(not including forge ) 15 gold a day.

I usually spend a lil more time on farming but I posted the minimal time I put in and usually come out around 50 to 65 gold a day

Their fool pocily dicision will cause ending of this game really.

Is that a fool policy of the player or the company ?

That suggestion wont work. Jewelry has no skins, so making welfare versions of it is no option.

@Malediktus.9250 that is because they don’t care about the skins they just want to be lazy and act like they achieved something when they haven’t.

It is like people that ask Mesmer’s to portal them to the end of a jumping puzzle and then say I got all the jumping puzzle achievements I am awesome

Kaimick.5109:

Umm yeah I use Omnomberry bars and farm up north by HoTW or Orr events or just do exploratory dungeons. Take that money buy 4 rare Items of the same type and Mystic forge them get an exotic and sale it.

I spend about 2 hours farming between each location and come out with around 10 gold, then I hit up usually CoF all three paths and make around 5 gold spend 1.5 gold on rares and forge 2 out of 10 times I get a Exotic sale it for 5 gold min up to 50 gold. I can do all this in about 3 hours of playing. at the end of the day I make around
(not including forge ) 15 gold a day.

I usually spend a lil more time on farming but I posted the minimal time I put in and usually come out around 50 to 65 gold a day

O_O Cool! Ok I’ll try this when I’ve gotten the last of those achievements I’m gunning for. Thankies!

Kaimick.5109:

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

Kaimick.5109:

That is my rant time to copy and paste it to another thread saying the same BS

Time for a copy and paste response:
Tell me how someone can bust their kitten off crafting or farming karma and acquire max stats in all equipment slots when Ascended gear comes out of exactly 1 dungeon and is untradeable.

They can’t but they can produce Exotic equals in crafting and Karma vendors in Orr give a set that is on par with all other exotics.

But they can not get Ascended gear, which has the highest stats of all gear. You said

I think that Lazy people should be able to get the same gear as the people that Bust their Kittens off either
Crafting
Running Dungeons
or farming Karma

Because of Ascended gear, it is impossible for crafters/karma farmers to get the same stats as FOTM grinders.

Ascended is one step above Exotics and one step below Legendary

In terms of acquisition, maybe. In terms of how the finished item compares to an exotic, definitely not:
– Legendary weapons have the exact same stats as an Exotic with the same stat combo. They only differ in stats.
– Ascended gear has higher stats than Exotics. Rings don’t even have skins.
So how can something that is different from Exotics in a way that a Legendary is not be considered to fit between Legendaries and exotics ?

So people now want to have a vendor they can purchase Ascended gear from with Gold cause they are too lazy to run a dungeon?

Because this is our entertainment. Why should we have to work at one small part of the game we may not like, just to be put on a level playing field with everyone else ?

You can’t even get a legendary buy throwing gold at it, you actually have to work to get it.

So why should lazy people be rewarded for not working for something?

Why should someone with no life outside of GW2 have any advantage over someone who doesn’t ?
Because it’s not laziness. It’s the fact that people who hate grinding have time consuming things like work and children. We don’t have the time to grind for stats and enjoy ourselves in game.

Kaimick.5109:

What about all the spoiled kids and lazy payers that decided to throw out $150.00 to purchase gems to purchase gold to buy the ascended. How is that fair to the guy that doesn’t have the money nor has the need to spend real world money to look like he accomplished something rather go out and actually accomplish it?

That’s why you set the gold price of maximum stats low enough that it’s within the reach of everybody. Then there is no advantage to the gold buyer, no advantage to the person with no life outside of GW2, just a level playing field where skill is the determining factor.

There are somethings that you just don’t buy with gold…. or shouldn’t be able to buy with gold.

What about using Karma vendors instead ?

If you want the top level gear for the price of gold World of Warcraft has Gilds that allow you to pay them gold for runs and give you all the gear and loot that drops.

Why should gear wars turn to be the same thing?

The only way I can see to stop that happening is to make max stats easily obtainable to remove the incentive. Anything else leaves the incentive and while the incentive remains, some people will see the transaction as worthwhile.

Malediktus.9250:

That suggestion wont work. Jewelry has no skins, so making welfare versions of it is no option.

Seems ANET was lazy and introduced the Ascended items that required the least work first.

In terms of acquisition, maybe. In terms of how the finished item compares to an exotic, definitely not:
– Legendary weapons have the exact same stats as an Exotic with the same stat combo. They only differ in stats.
– Ascended gear has higher stats than Exotics. Rings don’t even have skins.
So how can something that is different from Exotics in a way that a Legendary is not be considered to fit between Legendaries and exotics ?

Legendary’s not Legendaries fyi

this right here made me stop reading your book. You should probably do some better research, as Arena Net has already stated that Legendary’s will be getting a boost to reflect the differences and that Ascended will be between Exotic and Legendary’s.

Or better yet a Dev could come down and just say your wrong and your information is wrong. Although the fact that you should probably do some better research is the key lesson for today.

Anet really needs to read this post, and they really do need to add another way to get the gear.

Even my guild(Sorta of. I can ask for help, and they will 100% give it to me. ) is kinda of doing the same thing. They want to play where they left of. Which I completely understand, BUT they will help me if I ask. So I really don’t care either way.

But between school, having a serious relationship(:D Engaged!<3.), and a job.
I can’t be on all the time, and i’m already behind, because I rolled a new toon.

Ps. I bookmarked this forum, because Anet really needs to read this.