Guild Wars 2

Every game that has made an “invis” class always has issues. I think thiefs need high evade not invis/stealth. Make them hard to hit, its such a generic thing for a thief class that somehow they must always be invis and it has caused alot of issues on the game side.

If you don’t want to get rid of invis/stealth maybe these 2 options

Here is a thought that I think would be cool is during the night the thief goes translucent and if they stopped moving at night would be almost invisible (but could still be targeted just very hard to see) until they moved again. He could be targeted while moving as well just hard to see maybe even dim his name above his head so that its very hard to see them (at night only) until they are very close if they are moving. This could also be used in dark areas around cliffs or in dungeons or any area with shadows.

You could have a skill that throws down a smokescreen that gives the same night time effect while the thief is in it he looks translucent and if he stops moving he will look invis. These are just 2 thoughts. Allow them to still be targeted but make them hard to see so you don’t know exactly where they are.

I feel there should never be a “i can hit you but you can’t hit me because i’m invis” or “I can target you but you can’t target me because i’m invis” type of deal (to OP) but if you play a thief class you should be hard to hit however I should still be able to target and hit you as well.

OMG use Search feature this QQ comes up about 6 times a week. How about people just learn to fight against stealth and stop making new threads about stealth

Kaimick.5109:

OMG use Search feature this QQ comes up about 6 times a week. How about people just learn to fight against stealth and stop making new threads about stealth

OMG did you even read it?

Did you use the search function and research that fact your saying the same thing that at least 7 other people have already said.
Don’t feel bad Thief Stealth is right up there with
*Duel
*Raids
*Bring Back Trinity system
*Mounts
*Give us free stuff cause we are to lazy to get it any other way

Ok the last one was made up, doesn’t change the fact your making a thread that has already been made at least 20 times over. I realize you have a different solution to the problem but post your solution to one of the many other threads, it will get pushed to the top of the Forum I promise.

Sorry didn’t mean to be rude just sick of seeing the same thing posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The same as you probably only read about 2 to 3 of those over and over’s before you got sick of reading and skipped to the end

You miss the part that this is a “suggestions” forum and I put up a suggestion. I clicked your name and read a couple of your posts and if you think i’m just complaining maybe you should look at your posts. Anyhow I should be able to post any suggestions I like in this forum if you don’ like them don’t read them. The reason you see so many posts about them is because this IS an issue and I feel I have a decent “suggestion”

What a thief needs is the ability to steal useful things I can sell.

No thieve Invisibility is not an issue, it is only an issue of people that can’t grasp the concept of combating against it properly.

Now with that said, most of my post are not complaining about anything other than people wanting to make this game into another World of Warcraft or any other countless MMO’s.

lastly you missed my point is your creating another topic of something that has been said time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again ( you see what I did there?) Post on one of the many other threads about this exact same issue.

LOL at Onshidesigns.1069

scooby treat.8420:

I feel there should never be a “i can hit you but you can’t hit me because i’m invis”

There isn’t. Just because they’re invis doesn’t put them on god-mode. AoE your best guess location – facing a d/d thief that usually means target yourself. If that’s on cooldown, spam a directional attack.

Hey Joseph Skyrim.2470
I wouldn’t worry about trying to explain as most people that start these threads refuse to try and work around it, instead they come to the suggestion forums and “Suggest” a change to a mechanic that only last 3 seconds, cause they can’t or don’t want to learn how to fight it.

Hehe that’s actually good for me Kaimick, because I am a thief!

yeah people forget about Oh look the thieve disappeared and he was 10 feet in front of me roll back.

Or the Thieve teleported to me a few seconds ago from a spot behind me and is now invisible roll to where he was

Or look it is a red circle with a cottage above it step 5 feet back AoE the area. as he can’t step out side the area.

Kaimick.5109:

Or look it is a red circle with a cottage above it step 5 feet back AoE the area. as he can’t step out side the area.

Hehe not entirely true this one, since I like turning on my second invis then run from the circle or use steal + longreach to get right beside whoever I was hiding from. :P

Well yes you can do that but you just blew 2 Invis’s to get to me and now have one to use if you start taking to much damage your going to pop that last one and turn tail and run if your opponent is not lower than 50% or has friends.

There is a trade off for doing things like that

Kaimick.5109:

No thieve Invisibility is not an issue, it is only an issue of people that can’t grasp the concept of combating against it properly.

Now with that said, most of my post are not complaining about anything other than people wanting to make this game into another World of Warcraft or any other countless MMO’s.

lastly you missed my point is your creating another topic of something that has been said time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again ( you see what I did there?) Post on one of the many other threads about this exact same issue.

LOL at Onshidesigns.1069

Ok so as a hunter I have one AOE and that is my barrage which has a 24 second cooldown 30 if you don’t have points in it which is the only thing I can hit a thief with except if I am using my number 2 ability on my longbow right before he stealths it still hits him other than that as a hunter I can’t hit a thief when they are invis. When I fight a thief and they are invis my pet just stands there and doesn’t attack (pets suck anyways) Sure you want me to AOE ok then give perma arrow barrage so I can still hit a stealthed thief and watch the complaints pile up on a hunter.

As a warrior I have no problems because I can still hit a thief when he is invis by swinging my sword in all directions. Play a hunter and see how you fair against a thief with invis that you can’t target. Again there should never be a “I can target and hit you but you can’t hit me”

Further a hunter is suppose to be kinda sneaky where is their “stealth”

LOL Presumptive aren’t we, my main PvP toon is a Ranger ( not hunter) Which if you have read my post like you said you have, you would have knowing that.

Sooo Playing my Ranger I have no problems with Thieves in a 1v1 issue. I keep him at range if he gets close flip to melee and proceed to show him not all ranger suck at melee and then bounce back out and nuke him.

I rock a Long bow ( main ) and a sword and horn ( off set) I don’t tend to have issues sorry.

Have I been rocked by Thieves before sure, I don’t win every time but I do not think there is anything wrong with Stealth because I lost lol

Kaimick.5109:

LOL Presumptive aren’t we, my main PvP toon is a Ranger ( not hunter) Which if you have read my post like you said you have, you would have knowing that.

Sooo Playing my Ranger I have no problems with Thieves in a 1v1 issue. I keep him at range if he gets close flip to melee and proceed to show him not all ranger suck at melee and then bounce back out and nuke him.

I rock a Long bow ( main ) and a sword and horn ( off set) I don’t tend to have issues sorry.

Have I been rocked by Thieves before sure, I don’t win every time but I do not think there is anything wrong with Stealth because I lost lol

I go longbow/shortbow so I guess i will continue to not hit thiefs

A lot of people do LB/SB, you see that right there let me Bold it for you
“so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” (corrected your spelling of Thieves)

That exact statement is the reason why you can’t beat the stealth of thieves. You need to get that out of your mind. When I first started pvping I got destroyed by stealth. Instead of sitting on the bench and sobbing saying “so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” I kept trying different things and watching people fight them learning. Eventually I came up with something that works for me. It is not 100% i would put my odds at 50/50 but it is not something that most Players see, I mean sure I do the common stuff but you need to get this negative crap out of your head and start seriously trying to develop a way to combat it. Your going to fail a lot and you may have to ask someone, but eventually you will get it and smile nice and big and say, “Holy Kittens” I rocked the hell out of him.

Maybe you have to go with a different skill set up till you can figure it out traps, CC ect.

Kaimick.5109:

A lot of people do LB/SB, you see that right there let me Bold it for you
“so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” (corrected your spelling of Thieves)

That exact statement is the reason why you can’t beat the stealth of thieves. You need to get that out of your mind. When I first started pvping I got destroyed by stealth. Instead of sitting on the bench and sobbing saying “so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” I kept trying different things and watching people fight them learning. Eventually I came up with something that works for me. It is not 100% i would put my odds at 50/50 but it is not something that most Players see, I mean sure I do the common stuff but you need to get this negative crap out of your head and start seriously trying to develop a way to combat it. Your going to fail a lot and you may have to ask someone, but eventually you will get it and smile nice and big and say, “Holy Kittens” I rocked the hell out of him.

Maybe you have to go with a different skill set up till you can figure it out traps, CC ect.

You think i’m just on the sidelines crying because I say I can’t hit a stealthed thief? All I do is WvW and when you can’t target something with the bow you can’t hit them it has nothing to do with “attitude” as I said earlier the only time I can hit something stealthed is barrage with a 24 second cooldown or rapid fire IF i target and attack them with it before they go stealth it will finish the attack out hitting them. My entangle with a 2 and a half minute cooldown a thief can break it just by going stealth. Again glad you seem to “own” them with you build I will continue to only hit thiefs with my barrage or rapid fire when i get it just right or when i can see them

Your right you can’t target something you can’t see, nor can I so if I happen to not be lucky enough to hit them with an aoe I avoid the radius in area in which they can get me for 3 seconds and hope that does the trick.

I never said you sat on the side lines and cried about it, that is an expression of the attitude you have. Since I can’t hit something, I am going to come on the forums and insist that they remove stealth in lude of something I can continue to target and hit.

So you want to cripple one class so you can play a class that has no dis-advantage against them?

When the solution to stealth is learn to evade stealth.

Kaimick.5109:

Your right you can’t target something you can’t see, nor can I so if I happen to not be lucky enough to hit them with an aoe I avoid the radius in area in which they can get me for 3 seconds and hope that does the trick.

I never said you sat on the side lines and cried about it, that is an expression of the attitude you have. Since I can’t hit something, I am going to come on the forums and insist that they remove stealth in lude of something I can continue to target and hit.

So you want to cripple one class so you can play a class that has no dis-advantage against them?

When the solution to stealth is learn to evade stealth.

In my post I said change stealth to evade and make them harder to hit so I can at least target and fight. See because of your build with the sword if you swing it you will hit the thief if he is in the area but bows only hit single targets and they must be targeted which is also why warriors and guardians rip through thiefs. I think it would add more ballance if the invis was gone and they just made them harded to hit and I could at least fight them instead of dodge, lightning reflexes, and quick shot in hopes I somehow got far enough away from them but they will usually be right on top of you

So…. this turned into a “I claim to be better than you” thread….
Too bad, I kinda liked the idea of night semi-invi

This is not meant to be " I am better than you " but I don’t have to switch to a sword to defend against stealth.

You asking for a profession to be crippled by removing stealth and giving the a evade ( which has a chance to dodge for x amount of time ) instead of a stealth that last 3 seconds. So you don’t have to lose targeting.

What about Mesmer’s should we remove their ability to stealth ? That one last 5 seconds and leaves a clone of the Mesmer that is worse than the Thieve.
Mesmer’s also can make their whole team invisible shall we remove that, since it is a 5 second stealth?

Since Week one of the launch of GW2 people have been screaming for a nerf ( and yes a nerf is what you are asking for, since your asking to take away a skill and replace it with a skill that isn’t even the same) on thieves stealth, and yet it is still around.

Like I told you at the beging use your search tool. Also stop sitting there and sayign "I can’t do it cause I use two bows. For your information I just played 30 minutes of TPvP with LB/SB and ran into about 6 thieves and not one I had a problem with.

Use your long bow for your power before they can make it to you, spike hem as hard as you can. When they make it to you or hit stealth, flip to your SB and start back peddling till they come out and kite them for about 30 seconds then switch back over to your LB and Spike them again.

You don’t need a sword you don’t need something special to counter stealth you just need to logically think of how to counter it with out running to the forums screaming NERF