Guild Wars 2

Good day.

I’ve basically summarized my suggestion in the topic name.

As of now, WvW encourages night-zerging. Your server just can’t be competitive if you do not have people from around the globe playing, defending your assets 24/7.

This is very disappointing for most of us who stay true to region we belong to – Europe in my case – you work very hard during day sieging that keep for hours, finally capture it, and in several hours you lose it in under 20 minutes because you have 5 people defending it and 40 canadians attacking it, since its 5 AM in Europe and primetime in Canada.

It would be great to lock all three Borderlands map for at least 8 hours per day to prevent Players vs Doors @ night that happens all the time. You can even freeze Borderlands point income for that time.

Eternal Battlegrounds can still remain available 24/7 (so people can hop in WvW at any time).

The exact Borderlands lock time should depend on region primetime (you should have enough data on that already). Something like 01:00 AM to 09:00 AM CET for example should work for EU.

It would also encourage the “natural” behavior of sticking to your home region instead of promoting transfers to different regions where you can have your assets defended 24/7 on all maps.

It’s simple. Make rewards scale with how many people are on the enemy team, compared to yours.

EX: 500 on your team 500 on the enemy team = high rewards.

500 on your team, 50 on the enemy team = next to no rewards.

50 on your team 0 on the enemy team = next to no rewards.

I disagree, I’m sure that many of the people who play at “night” do it because they don’t have a specific server region for their time-zone, so they just had to pick between EU and US…this would not be fair to such people.

GADefence
What sort of reward are you talking about? Point income? Lol, it would work out VERY wrong if you do it.
Example of your suggested system exploit:
My server has 150k points. Enemy servers have 10k points each. It is still 5 days till the rematch.
Optimal modus operandi for us: Cease all WvW activity to artificially reduce the income of enemy servers so they can’t catchup with us.

Azaziel.3608:

I disagree, I’m sure that many of the people who play at “night” do it because they don’t have a specific server region for their time-zone, so they just had to pick between EU and US…this would not be fair to such people.

Eternal Battleground should be open 24/7, so they can play there.

If you check out the queue graphs for WvW maps (ANet published it several times) you will notice the absence of queues (which means the maps are not full) for many hours per day.

“GADefence
What sort of reward are you talking about? Point income? Lol, it would work out VERY wrong if you do it.”

“high reward = 150k exp, 3’000 karma, 5 silver for grub, low reward = 25k exp, 500 karam, 1 silver for grub”. I’m meaning that rewards would be you get from capping, making night capping less lucrative. Full points has to stay on since it’s bad overall. But less points mean the population will be more balanced.

GADefence.5634:

“GADefence
What sort of reward are you talking about? Point income? Lol, it would work out VERY wrong if you do it.”

“high reward = 150k exp, 3’000 karma, 5 silver for grub, low reward = 25k exp, 500 karam, 1 silver for grub”. I’m meaning that rewards would be you get from capping, making night capping less lucrative. Full points has to stay on since it’s bad overall. But less points mean the population will be more balanced.

Sadly, pve rewards (currency, karma, xp) are not the reason of nightcapping.

Nightcapping is done to get wvw points. The changes to event rewards would not stop or discourage Players vs Doors during nights.

ArenaNet said that server locking will never be an option.

Get a night crew instead. If you don’t have one, you can advertise for one. If you don’t want to, you don’t deserve one.

Not server locking.
Merely partial map locking.

1. There are no breaks in war.
2. There is nothing stopping you from nightcapping and/or defending objectives at night.
3. What you are suggesting is locking things so that other people can ONLY play when you can play.

Echo.7634:

1. There are no breaks in war.
2. There is nothing stopping you from nightcapping and/or defending objectives at night.
3. What you are suggesting is locking things so that other people can ONLY play when you can play.

You really did not participate much in wvw did you?

Right now all you need to pwn in wvw is not skill, not coordination, not teamplay – you need 50 people who can waltz in empty enemy keeps during night.

Many very bad, weak, uncoordinated servers with very few guilds who have +100 income during primetime are rocking +600 income during night ONLY thanks to off-primetime nightcapping zerg doing PvDoors action.

Current design is a counter-intuitive dynamic that encourages europeans to play on NA servers and americans to play on EU servers.

And point by point response to your post:
1) I do not suggest a break in a war. Eternal Battleground should be opened always. Only Borderlands maps should be locked and only for 8 hours per day.
2) I have a life to live outside of Guild Wars 2. I can’t play WvW 24/7. I need other people to cover it for me. Read above.
3) I suggest not to “lock things for everyone except me”. That would require locking all the maps for 21 hours per day. I suggest locking 3 maps out of 4 for 8 hours per day. One map active should be more than enough for any owls who enjoy nightly WvW.

Echo.7634:

1. There are no breaks in war.
2. There is nothing stopping you from nightcapping and/or defending objectives at night.
3. What you are suggesting is locking things so that other people can ONLY play when you can play.

I would guess you play on a server that have nightcappers..

1. This is a game. It needs to be balanced for it to be any fun at all. Referring to a real life situation of war is just trying to dodge the problem with the game.
2. Yes there is. It’s called sleep. There is no way you can match a server with US guilds on it by telling you server with no US guilds, that everyone have to stay awake the whole night. Use a little logic here please, this argument is getting old and does not make any sense.
3. Even tho i don’t agree with his suggestion i would like to point out that he suggest EB to still be open and playable by all.

Something HAS to be done, but i don’t think locking something is it. Rather make the night not count as much, and not so hard to recover from after a night full of nightcappers. This would make it so Americans play on US servers and Europeans plays on European server and skill and strategy would actually count for something. Because right now it simply doesn’t whatsoever!

Everyone should understand this. Those who doesn’t usually plays on a server dominating because of nightcappers.

I bought the game because of WvW and i feel ripped off. I feel me and my server have to actually recruit hundreds of Americans to leave their server to play on our server to keep us from being dominated and hence make WvW totally unplayable!

Doesn’t anyone see how stupid that is?? Im about ready to give up on this game wich i love so much.

So people who are not in the US should have penalties when doing WvW, or play at times that suits US only. Sorry, any suggestion like this is not going to get much consideration. Anet has already stated that they will NOT enforce some “penalty” simply because they play at a different time because others are in bed.

Well guess what, technically the US is “night capping” on people who play in other countries and there should be a penalty in place. You should play during the times that people from the EU and other countries play.

Rather than having US and EU only servers. How about recruiting guilds/people from those other countries to your server. Organize a nightcrew that can hold the line at night. Anet has already made it clear that they will not institute ANY “penalties” simply because some people play the game at different hours.

Doesn’t anyone see how stupid that is?? Im about ready to give up on this game wich i love so much.

I see, and I feel for you. Yes, something needs to be done.

So people who are not in the US should have penalties when doing WvW, or play at times that suits US only. Sorry, any suggestion like this is not going to get much consideration. Anet has already stated that they will NOT enforce some “penalty” simply because they play at a different time because others are in bed.

I am not suggesting any penalties. I suggest that if you play on US when it’s night in US (Mere 8 hours per day), you have only one WvW map available to queue. Whatever you do there still counts towards the objective 100%.

Rather than having US and EU only servers. How about recruiting guilds/people from those other countries to your server. Organize a nightcrew that can hold the line at night. Anet has already made it clear that they will not institute ANY “penalties” simply because some people play the game at different hours.

1) That would defeat the whole point of HAVING divided EU and US servers.
2) Americans on EU would suffer from lag and vice versa.
3) What you suggest is basically forcing everyone who wants to be competitive to either recruit a nightcrew or become a nightcrew.

night capping is fine.

please do not fix what is not broken.

Please can folks give Anet their individual play times so they know when they should cater the game for their every need.

so because i can only hop on and play when you are asleep means my effort in wvw should be less rewarded then yours?

DanteKovac.8975:

so because i can only hop on and play when you are asleep means my effort in wvw should be less rewarded then yours?

Of course you should be punished for playing when these all important people are sleeping. Whats wrong with you man…………….

Personally id punish all those that play during the peak times cos some people have to work then to. Infact punish everyone at all times cos there is always someone out the having to do something they dont want to while others are able to play GW2. thats sounds fairer right?

DanteKovac.8975:

so because i can only hop on and play when you are asleep means my effort in wvw should be less rewarded then yours?

So because I hop on and play wvw while you are asleep my effort should be rewarded 6x times more than yours, right? Because I’m in ur keeps freecapping your orbs.

So what about the people who work at peaks times? They paid the EXACT same ammout as you to enjoy this game. You aint a special snowflake that the entire game should revolve around. Get over yourself and accept that other people have different gaming schedules.

I saw a interview about this on gamebreaker tv and Anet basically said. “War dont stop because you decide your tired.” Maybe the exact wording may not be the same but the general jist is.

So because i work during the night and sleep at day means i am not allowed to do WvW?
Or because i have insomnia this means i am not allowed to play when i am usually online?
(last is true , first was example)… seriosuly dude, its part of the game, deal with it

Lutharr
So… You totally failed to notice how that guy’s own argument actually counterproves his (and also yours) point. All right.

So because i work during the night and sleep at day means i am not allowed to do WvW?

Read better.
1) I suggest leaving EBG open 24/7 so you can play there
2) ANet has data on amount of players in WvW every hour during 24 hour-day. EVERY server (even ones with full nightcrew) has several hours when wvw is barely even played by people. If you’re that one special cornflake who plays only at 5 AM – you’re welcome to do so in EBG.

This is such a dumb topic. “I only care about myself so other people should conform to what I think is right.” No, sorry, too bad. Night capping does not equal win anyway, superior forces do, those who know what they are doing do. If a good server is going up against a mediocre one and the mediocre one takes everything during the night, they still will not win, it wont matter as the better server will hold things for longer when they are around more.

No mater the case, no suggestion will change this, there will be no server locks, time locks, or anything of the sort. This is a constant battle, if one force gets low in numbers due to sleep and another doesn’t, sorry but they care more about their virtual land. I know for a fact plenty of people on TC loosing sleep because they want to ensure we keep what we have, it’s dedication.

Metalize.5680:

Lutharr
So… You totally failed to notice how that guy’s own argument actually counterproves his (and also yours) point. All right.

So because i work during the night and sleep at day means i am not allowed to do WvW?

Read better.
1) I suggest leaving EBG open 24/7 so you can play there
2) ANet has data on amount of players in WvW every hour during 24 hour-day. EVERY server (even ones with full nightcrew) has several hours when wvw is barely even played by people. If you’re that one special cornflake who plays only at 5 AM – you’re welcome to do so in EBG.

So, you get to choose between 4 maps and others are forced to play in one if they want to do WvW….yes, that seems so fair.
And not to mention someone might want to go for map completion.

And understant this people: your daytime is others nighttime, if they’re nightcapping you, you’re nightcapping them too…