Guild Wars 2

ANet, this is ridiculous.

Seeing as the majority of people who are in these zones are there to PvP, no one is going to take the time to escort me to all the little points I need to get my 100% completion. Nor should they. I can’t tell you have many times I have been ganked just running down the road toward a point, in my team’s own territory even!!! Then having to respawn all the way back at my base, and try all over again. Then we can only get to the majority of these points if out teams holds the structure… I read somewhere that we change locations each week…. I should not have to sit around for weeks waiting for my server’s rotation to come up to the points I/we need. I don’t even know if that’s accurate.

I hate PvPing. I SHOULD NOT be forced to do so in order to explore 100% of the map. By me having to run in here to do this, I take up a slot that someone who is looking to contribute should be in, my repeatedly getting ganked just trying to run to a point is costing my team points, racking up my repairs costs, and wasting my time and seriously taking away from my enjoyment of this otherwise excellent game.

I even see people in the chat window complaining about all the players who are just there to hit the points and bail out.

ANet, you have to change this requirement. The way you currently have this set up is a detriment to everyone.

Its called sneaking and avoiding the main roads. Its called an achievement for some reason.

Another post yes, same arguments …yes

100% map exploration = discovering all the maps not just 90% of them. Deal with it

It’s not like you HAVE to get 100% of the map. If you don’t like it, then don’t do it.

tzko.2370:

Its called sneaking and avoiding the main roads. Its called an achievement for some reason.

Another post yes, same arguments …yes

100% map exploration = discovering all the maps not just 90% of them. Deal with it

Another know-it-all with smart and snide comments…

First of all, I don’t always run down the main roads… I have done plenty of “sneaking” and get ganked almost every time by packs of enemy players. Not to mention, many players have caught on to this, and they camp at these points. Again, making this requirement a ridiculous aspect of this achievement, and nearly impossible, if not actually.

Secondly, no one has any problem discovering 100% of the maps… We have a problem with having to PvP to do so. I can assure you, I do not need you to explain to me what an achievement is. There is zero correlation between exploration and PvP. That is just wrong, as you are. So you “deal with it”.

Thirdly… “Another post”… you can take that up with A-Net, as their feedback function instructed me to post in this forum. And seeing as it is “Another post”, clearly there are a significant portion of players who have the same issue. So while you’re at it, you can deal with that to.

SevenSigma.7462:

It’s not like you HAVE to get 100% of the map. If you don’t like it, then don’t do it.

Unless you want to make Legendaries.

The 100% map completion is incredibly easy. Getting that title in GW1 was a PAIN and took hours upon hours of extra time after getting all of the major points in the first game to achieve this title. I actually think that this title is far too easy to come by…

I can understand people’s frustrations. I’m on a pretty weak WvW server, and I’m sure that when my time comes that I need to get these points, I’ll be frustrated. But then I just remember how difficult it is in GW1 and I say, “Hey, we have it easy.”

TheRamosOnline.2670:

SevenSigma.7462:

It’s not like you HAVE to get 100% of the map. If you don’t like it, then don’t do it.

Unless you want to make Legendaries.

You don’t have to make Legendaries either.

Well.. Map completion is an achievement, meaning that your character traveled through ALL parts of Tyria – and the mists. It shows you’ve been every where and everywhere! So I think it should be there, personally.

SevenSigma.7462:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

SevenSigma.7462:

It’s not like you HAVE to get 100% of the map. If you don’t like it, then don’t do it.

Unless you want to make Legendaries.

You don’t have to make Legendaries either.

That’s not addressing the issue for people who want Legendaries but don’t want to have to WvW for them.
As someone from a losing server, it’s pretty much impossible to get WvW maps points.
And don’t say “change servers”, that isn’t solving the issue, that’s a personal fix that shouldn’t need to be done.

Well ive seen this thread many times and i think its ok the way it is, if i did it and so many people was able to do it why you cant do it?

100% completition its not a requirement to get better and its a gold sink

if you want to do it, its because you accepted the challenge of completing 100% in all maps and you gotta accept that it wont come easy.

you might argue that in a losing server blah blah blah

you know how this game works?

/m who wanna tag along and get this fortress im trying to complete map and i need that PoI anyone wanna tag along?

get 5-10 people with you and you can take that fortress.

avoid main roads and if you have to take a fortress to get the PoI wait until its late and most of the WvWvW have gone to sleep.

Look, getting Map Completion and Legendaries are strictly for vanity purposes. They’re supposed to be hard. They exist to give you long term objectives and make you feel like a kitten. If you think they’re too hard, then don’t do it. You won’t lose anything but imaginary internet points.

Also remember that the WvW servers reset each week, so if thinks are looking dire for your side, just try again a few days later. Follow the zerg around and get the points on its path, and then stealth whatever it’s left. It’s really not that hard.

I can’t tell you how many times I have blown past a battle, just to get inside the structure to grab my PoI/Vista, and move on, before the things falls to the other side. I contribute nothing to the WvW players… and I have had people blow past me while getting ganked… because they are only after the point and have zero interest getting wrapped up in the PvP. By people’s repeated attempts to run through these areas, all they are doing is giving free points to the other side(s). This is a serious detriment to the WvW players even more so than my irritation in having to PvP in obtaining this achievement.

Once again, as so many people seem unable to understand this argument… No one has a problem with having to put effort into obtaining an achievement. No one is asking for anything to be handed to them. We’re just saying that we should not have to PvP, or hinder the PvP’ers in WvW, to obtain this achievement.

If you are on a weak WvW server, you will be matched against weak servers. If you are on a strong server, you will be matched against strong servers. So the strength of your server doesn’t really matter all that much.

People on the other servers want their 100% too. Having “pedestrians” on your team’s side is balanced by the same on your opponents’.

I play mostly PvE, but I do my share of WvW too. If you’re tagging along for a ride to a tower, I don’t mind, really, I don’t. Two people look scarier than one. Do you have friends that want to do this too? 10 are really scary, especially if most have the same guild tag.

I’ve gone for a PoI only to bump into a member of an opposing faction doing the same. We both walked up, got it, and left, without incident. It happens. I’ve also had to fight someone around a PoI we were both after—I still get my PoI even when I die, the trick is to make that your focus.

If your server doesn’t hold a tower/camp/keep and you need that PoI, then come back later when they do hold it.

It is pretty easy to get to most locations in the borderlands from your keep. Just wait until your server is on the borderlands you need, then explore it. Explore the others in the area immediately surrounding your startnig area.

Stonemist is the only difficult one to get. I waited for my server to hold it, then I queued. I got in before it fell. It was an easy run in.

If there are a lot of greifers hanging out, wait a week. You’ll probably be mtched against another server.

When in doubt, run away. If I am standing in an area for a reason, I won’t chase you just for the kill—I’m supposed to be where I am. If you are no threat to me, I will only go so far out of my way for a kill—I value my team’s score above my kill count.

When I stopped stressing over these points, I had a lot more fun getting them—I have 2 maps done, I’m just waiting until we are assigned a color other than blue for the rest. Also, as I did more WvW, I became a lot more confident and comfortable. Those world invaders… they can smell fear. After I got my bearings, it was fun—and I couldn’t stand the same gameplay model in either DaoC or Aion.

SevenSigma.7462:

Look, getting Map Completion and Legendaries are strictly for vanity purposes. They’re supposed to be hard. They exist to give you long term objectives and make you feel like a kitten. If you think they’re too hard, then don’t do it. You won’t lose anything but imaginary internet points.

Also remember that the WvW servers reset each week, so if thinks are looking dire for your side, just try again a few days later. Follow the zerg around and get the points on its path, and then stealth whatever it’s left. It’s really not that hard.

No… you look. How is it possibly earning an achievement if I’m just going to be logging in and out waiting for other people to take the objective that I need for my achievement? Or waiting several days/weeks for things to be re-re-set and just walking in??? No one said anything about it being “too hard.” The problem is forcing people to PvP, who detest PvPing, in order to do it. And in the process hindering your server’s team in the WvW. Instead of focusing on how you’re going to shoot each person’s post down, why don’t you actually pay attention to what’s being said.

The majority of you nay-sayers are so busy arguing and mouthing off, you’re not even addressing the valid points people have made about how this is a detriment to both PvE and PvP players. And anyone who “server-hopped” to get this… That’s an exploit. And you did not truly earn it.

I don’t care if A-Net changes it so we will have to group up to take down incredibly hard level 80+ bosses in order to reach PoI’s/Vistas to complete this achievement… Just remove this BS WvW requirement. Having to explore the dungeons makes far more sense than forcing non-PvP players to have to do it.

a·chieve·ment (-chvmnt)
n.
1. The act of accomplishing or finishing.
2. Something accomplished successfully, especially by means of exertion, skill, practice, or perseverance. See Synonyms at feat.

People have it in their mind that any achievements should be easily gotten, and be able to obtain them quickly.

Map completion is not a timed event, so you don’t have to get it done yesterday. it is something that is suppose to take time, and yes in some cases, take some effort.

As already stated a hundred times, it is not something you HAVE to even do. If it is something you want to complete, then accept the routes required.

I have no where near getting all the WvW vistas, and no I am not some big time pvp’er, but when I stray out on my own or with a couple of others, it is so much fun if we run into resistance. It is all perspective. Look at it as the challenge it is, accept the challenge.

Esha.1842:

SevenSigma.7462:

Look, getting Map Completion and Legendaries are strictly for vanity purposes. They’re supposed to be hard. They exist to give you long term objectives and make you feel like a kitten. If you think they’re too hard, then don’t do it. You won’t lose anything but imaginary internet points.

Also remember that the WvW servers reset each week, so if thinks are looking dire for your side, just try again a few days later. Follow the zerg around and get the points on its path, and then stealth whatever it’s left. It’s really not that hard.

No… you look. How is it possibly earning an achievement if I’m just going to be logging in and out waiting for other people to take the objective that I need for my achievement? Or waiting several days/weeks for things to be re-re-set and just walking in??? No one said anything about it being “too hard.” The problem is forcing people to PvP, who detest PvPing, in order to do it. And in the process hindering your server’s team in the WvW. Instead of focusing on how you’re going to shoot each person’s post down, why don’t you actually pay attention to what’s being said.

The majority of you nay-sayers are so busy arguing and mouthing off, you’re not even addressing the valid points people have made about how this is a detriment to both PvE and PvP players. And anyone who “server-hopped” to get this… That’s an exploit. And you did not truly earn it.

I don’t care if A-Net changes it so we will have to group up to take down incredibly hard level 80+ bosses in order to reach PoI’s/Vistas to complete this achievement… Just remove this BS WvW requirement. Having to explore the dungeons makes far more sense than forcing non-PvP players to have to do it.

Well all I have to say is this game is based off of PVP. It is one of the pillars of the game. This is why theres no trinity or typical endgame raids and such 8 20 or 40 man grouped raids and such.

I played PVP in SWTOR The last MMO I played before that is EQ1&2. I think the pvp part of this game at least WvWvW is pretty kewl and well done. All you need todo is make some friends and go togather and get the POIs and such.

We got lucky last week our server was dominating in WvW so we ran in and did 2 of the 4 zones.

One question though I thought the completion for WvWvW was separate from the normal map completion… I have looked at the global completion poi number before getting one in WvWvW and it stayed the same after getting a WvWvW POI.
Was that a bug? If they are separate isn’t this argument MOOT?

Although I’m sure this and any other “don’t force us to PvP to get X” posts will be a massive flamefest, I agree with the OP and I wish that the game’s big goals like 100% map completion and legendary weapons didn’t require PvP. It feels like the PvE-only players don’t have anything big to work towards or anything to show for their time spent in-game and their commitment to completing the game’s PvE.

As the OP pointed out, it’s NOT about difficulty or time taken. Some people don’t like PvP – they just don’t like the idea of fighting real people – and only want to play the game’s PvE – that’s why games offer both and usually don’t force you to do both in order to progress. GW2 is great for not requiring PvP to complete its story or level cap, but unfortunately the game’s big end-game goals all require PvP.

It is just a shame for us carebears that there are no equivalent PvE-only goals or rewards for people who would be willing to spend JUST AS MUCH time & effort – if not more, to achieve the same things in a PvE way. It is a shame that there is nothing to mark or reward players for their dedication and time to the game unless they ALSO PvP, as if the PvE doesn’t matter.

It is a pity that this is not catered to, and it would be lovely if these end-game goals had PvE alternatives, hopefully ones just as time-consuming and challenging as the current PvP ones.

Kosh.6473:

One question though I thought the completion for WvWvW was separate from the normal map completion… I have looked at the global completion poi number before getting one in WvWvW and it stayed the same after getting a WvWvW POI.
Was that a bug? If they are separate isn’t this argument MOOT?

Nope, sounds like you might have an issue. That’s the whole argument. The WvW is not separate from the normal map. It should have given you credit toward the global PoI numbers. I hope it’s just an oversight. I’d hate for you to have to go through all of that and not get credit for things you actually have accomplished.

I’d like to point out that there are other maps that aren’t included in “100% map completion” already: dungeons and sPvP. WvW maps should, honestly, be excluded for the same reason sPvP is, if not for the fact that the points are direly boring as they’re practically all the same for each map.

daemonlama.5413:

a·chieve·ment (-chvmnt)
n.
1. The act of accomplishing or finishing.
2. Something accomplished successfully, especially by means of exertion, skill, practice, or perseverance. See Synonyms at feat.

People have it in their mind that any achievements should be easily gotten, and be able to obtain them quickly.

Seriously? You have to be snide and subtly insulting by posting the definition of achievement??? Clearly you are just another one of the idiots unable to read the actual message, and too busy looking for a way to insult people.

And who said they wanted the achievement to be “easily gotten”? I’d gladly quote them… Wait.. I can’t. Because NO ONE said anything about getting it handed to them easily. PAY ATTENTION! I would tell you, a 4th time, but that would be just handing something to you. You need to go “achieve” to concept of communication. Best of luck to you.

I’m fed up with this. Some of you people are either hell bent on just arguing and being insulting, cognitively deficient, or just under-developed.

For the last time… A-Net. Please do not force PvE’ers to have to PvP in WvW to obtain this achievement. For both the fact that the vast majority of PvE’ers hate PvP. And the fact that zoning in just to get the vistas/PoI’s hurts the WvW server team. Please come up with an alternative challenge in order to obtain this achievement. And I have been writing all this as someone at 98%. I’m almost done with this BS. And it has been almost as irritating as trying to communicate with some of these people.

You can be very happy now as you succeeded in one thing… I’m done reading/posting in this thread. It is futile trying to communicate with some of you simpletons.

Also many people here with 100% also just abused the server transfer feature before the 24 hour cooldown was implemented which allowed them to jump servers and go to areas that were controlled by there server and get the POI’s and vistas.
Then jump to another server and repeat until done.

So most the people saying its meant to be a challenge and blah blah blah probably did this themselves…

I think the locations should jsut be moved to be more accessible.

Btw I love PVP but the way this is does sem a little “meh” for those who enjoy PVE only

why did you buy guild wars if you don’t like pvp…..it’s the entire focus of the game.

or did the utter lack of pve content not give away the foundation of the game enough.

or maybe the title of the game wasn’t clear enough for you, guild wars…join a guild do battle…in pvp.

you want that achievment i suggest you get into those pvp zones and get to work.

orlen.7810:

why did you buy guild wars if you don’t like pvp…..it’s the entire focus of the game.

or did the utter lack of pve content not give away the foundation of the game enough.

or maybe the title of the game wasn’t clear enough for you, guild wars…join a guild do battle…in pvp.

you want that achievment i suggest you get into those pvp zones and get to work.

I think you also left out the part with the utter lack of PVP to lol.
Thats all Ill say Ill leave this to the sPVP thread lol.

tzko.2370:

Its called sneaking and avoiding the main roads. Its called an achievement for some reason.

Another post yes, same arguments …yes

100% map exploration = discovering all the maps not just 90% of them. Deal with it

It’s 100% world completion. WvW is not of this world, it is in the Mists, which is a separate dimension between worlds. Therefore, it should not be included.

Solution:

Get together a group of people, even 5 is enough, who all want to do this. There is enough complaining on the forums to find some.

Group up, and run to the points together, its 100% WORLD for a reason. Its an achievement, for completionists, if you don’t want to COMPLETELY explore, then don’t. Explore as much as you want to do, and dont do something you don’t want to.

As for “having to take areas to get the points”, lots of the POI’s can be grabbed from outside the keep, and even so, TALK TO YOUR SERVER. Gather a team, build up supply, and attack the keep! I think you will find it enjoyable and immersive instead of turning your arrow towards the next POI, and auto-running without a worry.

It is a completion achievement, so don’t complain about having to complete it. Overcome the challenge, work together, or just ignore the achievement, it won’t change your game experience by not doing stuff you don’t enjoy. But don’t diminish others achievements because you want it a certain way.

I know i had to struggle through WvW exploration to get it, but i ended up finding a few people who wanted to as well, and it became much more enjoyable, and easier, and i found i actually got into the WvW side of the game during that time. Plus you will get a fair bit of Collectibles if you gather along the way, and some Tokens if you get any kills. And you can work for other achievements in the game! Seeing as thats what you are doing this for anyway right?

orlen.7810:

why did you buy guild wars if you don’t like pvp…..it’s the entire focus of the game.

or did the utter lack of pve content not give away the foundation of the game enough.

or maybe the title of the game wasn’t clear enough for you, guild wars…join a guild do battle…in pvp.

you want that achievment i suggest you get into those pvp zones and get to work.

Why would you possibly think that PvP is the entire focus of the game? There are only 4 spvp maps and only 2 WvW maps, with one of the WvW map just being cloned a couple times to get up to 4 total. A grand total of two PvP game modes. Compare that to… 25 explorable zones? plus 8 or so dungeons? and the whole personal story with all of its different paths? And funny… You think the game is called Guild Wars because of PvP, but have you noticed that there isn’t even a GvG gamemode in the sequel? It’s called Guild Wars because that’s the name of an event that took place in the PvE lore. Wars between Krytans, Ascalonians, Orrians, etc.

Heck, just look at the advertising. How many grawl and risen and dragons do you see? How much PvP?

sounds like orlen is stuck in gw1, where it actually was the focus of the game.

Jumpers.5069:

sounds like orlen is stuck in gw1, where it actually was the focus of the game.

It was actually a pretty even focus in GW1. You could easily spend years on the game without touching one side of the fence.

I don’t have 100% map completion but already have all my 4 wvw maps done, and my server is not the best in wvw (actually right now we’re getting our kitten kicked)…
Wanna know how I did it?…3 matches, that’s all it took me, the rotating starting positions pretty much assure that you’ll get most of the map done if you try during 3 matches…
And I wasn’t a burden for my team either…whenever I died I went to do some skill point or vista in our controlled area as fast as possible, and then back to the battle. The rest I got it by attacking towers or supply camps…
I’m sure most of those who complain are just lazy. I bet most of them saw wvw was part of the world completion and didn’t even tried to see if they could do it or got in for 20 minutes, died and rage quitted and then just started to complain.

100% world completion is optional.

u dun need to do it.