Guild Wars 2

I will not PvP or WvW. I use WvW only for a portal to Lion’s Arch. I will not participate in PvP or WvW no matter what you say or do to cajole me into it. I simply refuse.

This means I cannot get World Completion and cannot craft Legendarys. Too bad.

The more you try to force people into doing things they don’t want to do, the more they will resent it – and leave without telling you why.

I am doing you the courtesy of telling you why.

I will not PvE. I use Lion’s Arch as a portal for WvW and PvP. I will not participate in PvE no matter what you say or do to cajole me into it. I simply refuse.

This means I cannot get World Completion and cannot craft Legendaries. It also means that my income is at best 30% of what it could be if I played PvE. Too bad.

The more you try to force people into doing things they don’t want to do, the more they will resent it – and leave without telling you why.

I am doing you the courtesy of telling you why.

Wolfheart.1938:

I will not PvE. I use Lion’s Arch as a portal for WvW and PvP. I will not participate in PvE no matter what you say or do to cajole me into it. I simply refuse.

This means I cannot get World Completion and cannot craft Legendaries. It also means that my income is at best 30% of what it could be if I played PvE. Too bad.

The more you try to force people into doing things they don’t want to do, the more they will resent it – and leave without telling you why.

I am doing you the courtesy of telling you why.

Well said.

Sadly both are right in their own way neither should be forced to do what they don’t want too to complete stuff, but hey its a mmo and it seems the way of things..

PvE players should get 100% of the world in PvE….
PvP players should get 100% of the world in PvP….

Seems fair to me as they are completely different aspects of the game, yes even WvW..

I don’t quite see where the forcing is to be honest. World comping isn’t anything like actually playing WvW, it’s basically hopping over to WvW to grab a PoI or vista when your server ends uP on the right side of the map (which is admittedly awkward).

Badges come from achievement chests as well, in mass quantities.

Xae Isareth.1364:

I don’t quite see where the forcing is to be honest. World comping isn’t anything like actually playing WvW, it’s basically hopping over to WvW to grab a PoI or vista when your server ends uP on the right side of the map (which is admittedly awkward).

Badges come from achievement chests as well, in mass quantities.

As PvEer’s, part of our problem is that we don’t have individual control over what goal we are able to attain in WvW. We need to rely on our server’s performance each week to move us to the map we need, and then we need to rely on them again to take the objectives we need on that map.

Before they shook up the system, we had fallen into a rut of the same opponents and same maps week after week, and month after month. It’s much better now. But it’s still a waiting game. And unlike most of PvE, our goals in WvW still aren’t often able to be accomplished when we are ready to tackle them. We need to wait for the tide of war to swing in our direction.

I’ve completed mapping WvW on 4 or 5 of my eight characters, and I have learned that I can hold my own most of the time against other players. But I still get little enjoyment out of anything in WvW. I just don’t get a thrill from being part of a zerg, and much of WvW seems to be just that. I prefer smaller fights where I get a sense that my participation actually made a difference.

And if I were a WvWer I think I would resent having people on the map that don’t want to participate. Today marks the beginning of a new “season” of WvW, and I can’t tell you how many people I heard in LA that do want to participate complaining that they couldn’t get in to WvW.

So yeah… I agree, and I wish the ANet folks would also figure out that WvW and PvE and PvP are all different, and should be kept separate.

This happens all the time, people feel entitled to a legendary/world completion without doing what’s required to get it.

Are you forced to get world completion? No.
Are you forced to get a legendary? No.
Are both of these required to exclusively PvE? Not at all.
Do you want them? Probably, else you wouldn’t be here complaining about it. If you want something then go do the things required to get it. If you don’t want to do those things then you forfeit the right to get it. It’s pretty simple. These things are supposed to be hard to get!

I don’t like WvW (read: ZvZ) a whole lot but I do like the idea of having a legendary, so I went out and got world exploration. I was lucky enough to receive way more than enough badges of honour to cut that step out completely due to achievement chests but I was about to start farming badges, too. I didn’t want to do those steps at all, in fact, I don’t even like the Ascalon areas and didn’t want to do those either, however, at no point was I actually forced to partake in any of these because it is my choice to embark on getting a legendary.

I will not PvE. I use PvE only for a waiting room. I will not participate in PvE no matter what you say or do to cajole me into it. I simply refuse.
This means I cannot get World Completion and cannot craft Legendarys. Too bad.
The more you try to force people into doing things they don’t want to do, the more they will resent it – and leave without telling you why.
I am doing you the courtesy of telling you why.

Now shut up, there are two sides to every story.
I don’t like PvE in the slightest, but if i want a legendary or map completion i will do it…

To this guy:
“As PvEer’s, part of our problem is that we don’t have individual control over what goal we are able to attain in WvW. We need to rely on our server’s performance each week to move us to the map we need, and then we need to rely on them again to take the objectives we need on that map.”

What about areas which are contested so I can’t teleport to them? What about the fact that I have to actually explore all of the PvE area?

Everyone who agrees with this OP is completely ignorant. Think you have it hard, imagine a flip of your scenario, atleast you have the map uncovered for you to explore and WvW is around 5% of the completion. 95% of my map completion will be to me what WvW completion is to you.

Am I complaining that I have to enter PvE? No
WvW and PvE ARE 100% the same game, they are the areas where everyone isn’t automatically maxed out with equal opportunity. You are like kids who can’t get their cookie, there are two options.

1. The current system whereby PvE and WvW are seperate from sPvP
2. Remove WvW as a separate entity, make PvE open world PvP. From then on, I will come and hunt you down while you hunt trash mobs for pointless loot and I will slit your throat and teabag your face every time I kill you.

Option 2 would be my preference to be honest, but apparently my care bear victims don’t like that and they cried to NC-Soft when they took this approach in Lineage2.
Be thankful that you got your way, other wise my way would be in place, and good luck trying to get your map completion when i’m camping your completion required spot.

Silver.8023:

Are you forced to get world completion? No.
Are you forced to get a legendary? No.

But if (as it sounds) he wants a Legendary, then like you he is forced to do WvW for the World Completion requirement.

Rick bought the game to do PvE. The Guild Wars people have always said that they want people to be able to play the game the way THEY want to play it. So there should be ways to get what you want out of the game without having to leave the aspect that you enjoy (PvP, PvE, or WvW).

Anyhooo…

It really is 3 different games, and should be treated as such. Most people tend to stick to the one part they like best. There is no reason that skills need to work the same in PvP as PvE. Balancing one need not ruin the other. If some skills need to be a little different, then make them different. It worked fine for GW1. Don’t like the downed state in WvW? Get rid of it! But leave it alone in PvE. The 3 aspects are NOT the same game, so the rules don’t need to be the same.

Fragment.2793:

I will not PvE. I use PvE only for a waiting room. I will not participate in PvE no matter what you say or do to cajole me into it. I simply refuse.
This means I cannot get World Completion and cannot craft Legendarys. Too bad.
The more you try to force people into doing things they don’t want to do, the more they will resent it – and leave without telling you why.
I am doing you the courtesy of telling you why.

Now shut up, there are two sides to every story.
I don’t like PvE in the slightest, but if i want a legendary or map completion i will do it…

To this guy:
“As PvEer’s, part of our problem is that we don’t have individual control over what goal we are able to attain in WvW. We need to rely on our server’s performance each week to move us to the map we need, and then we need to rely on them again to take the objectives we need on that map.”

What about areas which are contested so I can’t teleport to them? What about the fact that I have to actually explore all of the PvE area?

Everyone who agrees with this OP is completely ignorant. Think you have it hard, imagine a flip of your scenario, atleast you have the map uncovered for you to explore and WvW is around 5% of the completion. 95% of my map completion will be to me what WvW completion is to you.

Am I complaining that I have to enter PvE? No
WvW and PvE ARE 100% the same game, they are the areas where everyone isn’t automatically maxed out with equal opportunity. You are like kids who can’t get their cookie, there are two options.

1. The current system whereby PvE and WvW are seperate from sPvP
2. Remove WvW as a separate entity, make PvE open world PvP. From then on, I will come and hunt you down while you hunt trash mobs for pointless loot and I will slit your throat and teabag your face every time I kill you.

Option 2 would be my preference to be honest, but apparently my care bear victims don’t like that and they cried to NC-Soft when they took this approach in Lineage2.
Be thankful that you got your way, other wise my way would be in place, and good luck trying to get your map completion when i’m camping your completion required spot.

“This guy” did World Completion on 3 characters and is shooting for all 8. I don’t want a Legendary and I don’t fly the “Been there, done that” title to “brag”. I just wanted to do it. I am not complaining it’s hard. I’ve done it and plan to continue doing it. The OP never said anything about it being hard either. He just said he doesn’t care for WvW or PvP. And I agree with him that WvW and PvP and PvE are essentially different games and should be kept separate. They are most certainly not “100% the same game”.

Telling us to shut up and calling us ignorant doesn’t help a thing. You are getting upset because you seem to think we are whining that PvEer’s have it hard and WvWer’s don’t. Well guess what? World Completion is the exact same requirement for both of us. Nobody ever said differently. Nobody complained it was too hard.

We said we like Solitaire. You said you like Poker. Anet is forcing both of us to play each others games to get a desired reward. We are telling ANet that we would like to be able to get that reward by playing the game we want to play (which is what ANet has always said is their desire). That is all. Chill out. Nobody is painting a target on your forehead.