Guild Wars 2

so they tried to monetize sPvP with the custom arena starter kit
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Custom_Arena_Starter_Kit
1600 gems for 30 days.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Custom_Arena_Time_Token
then each token adds 1 day
150 Gems for 5 (30 gems per day)
480 Gems for 20 (24 gems per day)

it has been more than a year since release, still no news of guild halls.
what do we have?

lots of gem store items for sale.
- gem store armor skins
- gem store town clothes
- flutes
- music boxes
- continue coins
- etc

now, what if, they introduced these items:
(note: the following are merely some general examples, to stroke the minds of fellow forum goers to spark some discussion, strictly not suggestions)

“Guild Hall Starter Kit”
- allows you choose from a selection of starter guild halls
- 30 days of guild hall rental
- 1600 gems

“Guild Hall Time Token”
- each token adds 1 day to guild hall rental
- must use guild hall starter kit first to rent a guild hall
- 150 gems for 5 tokens (+ 5 days)
- 480 gems for 20 tokens (+ 20 days)

price it the same as sPvP Custom Arena Starter Kit and Custom Arena Time Token. i.e. 1600 gems, 150 gems, 480 gems.

then all additional guild hall upgrades require gems to purchase to unlock.
i think upgrades are best at one time unlocks via gems, not further rental. the 150 gems / 480 gems should be more than enough for the ongoing rental upkeep.

let the players have some sense of ownership.

some examples
(note: again, these are examples for discussion, not suggestions)

gems price | description

basic necessities:
500 | general merchant (various salvage kits, gathering tools)
500 | armor repair
500 | trainer
500 | guild bank (a chest, a huge box, not a NPC)
500 | personal bank (a chest, a huge box, not a NPC)
500 | crafting stations (each crafting station requires 500 gems to unlock)

special PvP interests:
1600 | guild arena (guild members can PvP each other with PvE gear, foods in here)
1600 | guild banner (unlocks guild versus guild, allows you to challenge other guilds and receive challenges)

champions monsters pit: (why farm outside when you can do it at home?)
1600 | champions monsters pit (unlocks, empy, no monsters yet)
300 | level ?? champion, drops basic champion loot bag (30 types)
500 | level ?? champion, drops fine champion loot bag (20 types)
800 | level ?? champion, drops masterwork champion loot bag (10 types)
1200 | level ?? champion, drops rare champion loot bag (5 types)
1600 | level 80 champion, drops exotic champion loot bag (1 only)

jumping puzzles?
1600 | jumping puzzles room (unlock, spend additional gems for jumping puzzles)
various gem prices for various jumping puzzles that offer chests of various quality

asuran gates:
800 | asuran gate to lion’s arch
500 | asuran gate to divinity’s reach
500 | asuran gate to hoelbrak
500 | asuran gate to rata sum
500 | asuran gate to the grove
500 | asuran gate to black citadel
500 | asuran gate to southsun cove

asuran gates to some far away lands:
800 | asuran gate to iron marches
800 | asuran gate to fireheart rise
800 | asuran gate to frostgorge sound
800 | asuran gate to mount maelstorm
800 | asuran gate to cursed shore
etc

with this, they can finally start working on guild halls, since this will greatly boost gem sales to facilitate on going rental upkeep of guild halls

any “pay to win” argument is invalid, because you can buy gems using in game gold.

the goods:
1. guild halls!
2. we can rent guild halls!
3. the upcoming new guild feature 5% tax will be useful
4. golds to gems rate will increase
5. people who buys gems with dollars to convert into gold will be happy

the bads:
1. cost gems
2. golds to gems rate will increase
3. people who buy gems with gold will not be happy
4. rent only, no buy. no real ownership
5. poor guilds cannot afford guild halls

the uglies:
1. people may complain on the forum
2. people may start taxing guild members
3. guild members may refuse to pay tax for guild hall
4. people may only represent guilds with guild halls
5. guilds with guild halls may be come more elitism

so, people, what do you think?
lets hear your opinions regarding this matter.
if guild halls are bought using gems, they will definitely start work on guild halls.

everyone, come! (spoken with risen voice)
discuss!

no need to thank me.
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after some discussion with Louveepine.7630,

instead of buying, renting, unlocking everything with gems, maybe a middle ground arrangement could benefit both parties?

say, for example:
1. buy and own guild hall with non-gems (influence, merit, gold, etc)
2. unlock additional convenience, cosmetic upgrades with gems

it gets a little expensive when even a force, farmer, is a long time = /

We can not rather pay gold coin, or karma guild?

Louveepine.7630:

it gets a little expensive when even a force, farmer, is a long time = /

We can not rather pay gold coin, or karma guild?

ideally, it would be better to use influence to unlock guild halls, and the various guild halls upgrades. if everyone chips in a bit, it would not hurt that much. plus we can always spend gold to buy gems.

but, look at what happened in a year?
what did they spend their efforts on?

gem store items.
more gem store items.

we let them know it is fine to buy, upkeep guild halls with gems, then they might finally start working on guild halls, because, more gem store sales.

it would be a little bad for the players, the store must remain “cosmetic”. Sell ??as skins, “toys”, or stuff for “fun”.

The guild hall is a comfort mode, no doubt, but but the halls are so hoped … Whereas …that sell shop, would a very bad calculation.

it would be nice to find an arrangement, without the shop, for halls.

Louveepine.7630:

it would be a little bad for the players, the store must remain “cosmetic”.

it would be nice to find an arrangement, without the shop, for halls.

but custom arena starter kit is not cosmetic.

a non gems arrangement would be nice.
but without gems, i dun see them working on guild halls, ever.
they need some motivation.

why do we keep seeing living story content?
because, gem store sales.

a middle ground arrangement that i can see is, do away with initial basic cost for guild halls, and even rental.

but the “convenience guild hall upgrades” are unlocked via gems.
not sure if this is enough motivation for them to work on guild halls or not.

let’s look at the revised middle ground plan eh?

“Guild Hall Starter Kit”
- allows you choose from a selection of starter guild halls
- 30 days of guild hall rental
- 1600 gems
- 100 guild merits

“Guild Hall Time Token”
- each token adds 1 day to guild hall rental
- must use guild hall starter kit first to rent a guild hall
- 150 gems for 5 tokens (+ 5 days)
- 480 gems for 20 tokens (+ 20 days)
- 1 guild merit for 5 tokens (+ 5 days)
- 5 guild merits for 20 tokens (+ 20 days)

price it the same as sPvP Custom Arena Starter Kit and Custom Arena Time Token. i.e. 1600 gems, 150 gems, 480 gems.

then all additional guild hall upgrades require gems to purchase to unlock.
i think upgrades are best at one time unlocks via gems, not further rental. the 150 gems / 480 gems should be more than enough for the ongoing rental upkeep.

let the players have some sense of ownership.

some examples
(note: again, these are examples for discussion, not suggestions)

special PvP interests:
50 merits | guild arena (guild members can PvP each other with PvE gear, foods in here)
50 merits | guild banner (unlocks guild versus guild, allows you to challenge other guilds and receive challenges)

I find it a little unfair anyway = (

Gw1, hall costing 12 gold tokens + Choice + NPCs sales / armor etc … which cost between 1piece gold, and 100 gold …

but it too has not touched the bank card. And we do not rent the premises. it was to us. everybody was putting in there guild.

it did not bother anyone.

while in the shop, it is very disturbing.

after, maybe sell adds for “rp” … dormitory, bathroom, addition of buildings … Much decorated in the game ..

A much richer set, or very different habits ig.

That is not the normal settings asura, charr, sylvari, norn and human.

sale:

- Sets Largos, quaggan, grawl, skritt, Etherlames, nightmares, Krait, Hyleck, Kodan.
- Or furniture of the same kind for home.

against it by, yes!

Louveepine.7630:

I find it a little unfair anyway = (

Gw1, hall costing 12 gold tokens + Choice + NPCs sales / armor etc … which cost between 1piece gold, and 100 gold …

but it too has not touched the bank card. And we do not rent the premises. it was to us. everybody was putting in there guild.

it did not bother anyone.

while in the shop, it is very disturbing.

what can i say? life is indeed unfair. we need to learn how to deal with it. >.<

well, this is guild wars 2, not guild wars 1
guild wars 1 – 50+ employees
guild wars 2 – 300+ employees

anyway, i got the idea of “renting” from the “custom arena starter kit” gem store item.
i wanna see if this will motivate them to work on guild halls.

and i thought they are lots of people who want guild halls?
where are them now?

if they do not agree on gems with guild halls, they should come forth and voice out.

kitten , I edited too late xD

can not be paid in shop basic things: Halls / classic decor.

and pay rather sets “other”?

In France, we all dream of guild hall and housing, it is expected that it xD

Louveepine.7630:

kitten , I edited too late xD

can not be paid in shop basic things: Halls / classic decor.

and pay rather sets “other”?

what if the “basic” guild halls is purchased or unlocked via non-gems,
for example, say

1. guild merits
2. guild influence
3. gold
4. any combination of the above
5. all of the above

then various additional convenience, cosmetic guild halls upgrades are unlock via gems.

also, the guild hall better be not too big, or else the loading time might be too long.
ideally, the guild hall would load up as fast as loading the hall of monuments.

yes!
it would be much more attractive!

(I have the impression to remake the world, while you’re there, two, dreaming xD …

I do not think the devs look … but it’s still interesting to discuss.)

Louveepine.7630:

yes!
it would be much more attractive!

(I have the impression to remake the world, while you’re there, two, dreaming xD …

I do not think the devs look … but it’s still interesting to discuss.)

okies i have placed the fruits of our discussion in the first post.

well, personally, i think they only look at forum topics if that forum topic have enough feedback from various players in it.

at the moment, it is just the two of us talking to one another. >.<

well, it is certainly better than having no feedback at all.

Absolutely not. Terrible idea.
Small guilds will again be shut out unless the members want to spend loads of real world money. Guild halls should be free. Internal upgrades should be reputation points, nothing more.
There are enough gem store money sinks for individual players, there should never be gem store items for guilds.

Who knows! that tomorrow can be a courageous with other ideas, join us!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Louveepine.7630:

yes!
it would be much more attractive!

(I have the impression to remake the world, while you’re there, two, dreaming xD …

I do not think the devs look … but it’s still interesting to discuss.)

okies i have placed the fruits of our discussion in the first post.

well, personally, i think they only look at forum topics if that forum topic have enough feedback from various players in it.

at the moment, it is just the two of us talking to one another. >.<

well, it is certainly better than having no feedback at all.

They only look at suggestions that have been placed in the suggestions forum where they should be posted. This thread should be there, not in general discussion.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Absolutely not. Terrible idea.
Small guilds will again be shut out unless the members want to spend loads of real world money. Guild halls should be free. Internal upgrades should be reputation points, nothing more.
There are enough gem store money sinks for individual players, there should never be gem store items for guilds.

+1 Pretty much this. Guild related stuff should be available with in game currencies and deeds rather than milking ridiculous amounts of real life money.
Honestly I would lose even my tiniest bit of faith I have left for this game, if that “gems this, gems that” scenario would happen. :P

Already quite fed up how little we get new in game skins etc stuff for free.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Absolutely not. Terrible idea.
Small guilds will again be shut out unless the members want to spend loads of real world money. Guild halls should be free. Internal upgrades should be reputation points, nothing more.
There are enough gem store money sinks for individual players, there should never be gem store items for guilds.

why it is terrible? could u state a few more reasons?

shut out? i think not. with enough grind. they can achieve it. just a matter of time.

if guild halls are free. then we will never see guild halls in guild wars 2, at least, for a very long time. have you been observing the trend of guild wars 2 since its release?

only gem store items get prioritized. everything else does not seem to matter.
by making guild halls an gem store item, or at least have a chance to spend gems on, guild halls might actually be worked on faster.

it might be prioritized.

as now of, we get nothing. it is just “kept in view” on some cold corner of their table.

custom arena starter kit already costs gems.
i dun see why guild hall will not cost gems.
or at least the various convenience and cosmetic guild hall upgrades.

i remain firm on my stance that, if guild halls cannot be monetized, they will not prioritize work on it.

you could always keep on waiting for free things i guess.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

They only look at suggestions that have been placed in the suggestions forum where they should be posted. This thread should be there, not in general discussion.

hmmm no. the suggestions forum is the forum graveyard. no one goes there.
they look at topics of discussion with most feedback in them.

look at all those controversial topics.
so much developer input in them.

Maethril.9586:

+1 Pretty much this. Guild related stuff should be available with in game currencies and deeds rather than milking ridiculous amounts of real life money.
Honestly I would lose even my tiniest bit of faith I have left for this game, if that “gems this, gems that” scenario would happen. :P

Already quite fed up how little we get new in game skins etc stuff for free.

but we can buy gems with in game gold.

what if guild halls require an insane amount of gold to purchase?
what if one needs 80 gold (around 1600 gems) to purchase and unlock guild hall?
people would still complain anyway.

also, again, any argument about “using in game gold only” is invalid, since, gems can be purchased via in game gold.

i would like to see guild halls being worked on.
but without gems involved, they will not work on it.

do we see some other supporters for this concept?
or everyone else wants things for free?

I honestly don’t think this would work very well. The primary reason being that the gems store is geared towards selling items to the individual player. If you had to buy a guild hall with gems, who foots the bill? The person buying the guild “kit” would be the owner of the guild hall instead of the guild owning the guild hall. Once it’s instituted, getting a guild hall by influence makes a lot more sense, because essentially everybody in the guild has contributed towards it.

Berelious.3290:

I honestly don’t think this would work very well. The primary reason being that the gems store is geared towards selling items to the individual player. If you had to buy a guild hall with gems, who foots the bill? The person buying the guild “kit” would be the owner of the guild hall instead of the guild owning the guild hall. Once it’s instituted, getting a guild hall by influence makes a lot more sense, because essentially everybody in the guild has contributed towards it.

hmmm good point you have there.

so what do you think about the 2nd concept?
the basic guild hall is unlocked with guild influence, guild merits, gold while additional convenience, cosmetic upgrades are unlocked via gems?

hmmm i see a 3rd option.
i.e. additional guild hall convenience upgrades are unlocked personally for each account. with gems.

now that would be true monetizing!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Absolutely not. Terrible idea.
Small guilds will again be shut out unless the members want to spend loads of real world money. Guild halls should be free. Internal upgrades should be reputation points, nothing more.
There are enough gem store money sinks for individual players, there should never be gem store items for guilds.

why it is terrible? could u state a few more reasons?

shut out? i think not. with enough grind. they can achieve it. just a matter of time.

if guild halls are free. then we will never see guild halls in guild wars 2, at least, for a very long time. have you been observing the trend of guild wars 2 since its release?

only gem store items get prioritized. everything else does not seem to matter.
by making guild halls an gem store item, or at least have a chance to spend gems on, guild halls might actually be worked on faster.

it might be prioritized.

as now of, we get nothing. it is just “kept in view” on some cold corner of their table.

custom arena starter kit already costs gems.
i dun see why guild hall will not cost gems.
or at least the various convenience and cosmetic guild hall upgrades.

i remain firm on my stance that, if guild halls cannot be monetized, they will not prioritize work on it.

you could always keep on waiting for free things i guess.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

They only look at suggestions that have been placed in the suggestions forum where they should be posted. This thread should be there, not in general discussion.

hmmm no. the suggestions forum is the forum graveyard. no one goes there.
they look at topics of discussion with most feedback in them.

look at all those controversial topics.
so much developer input in them.

You asked for our opinions, I gave you mine with my main reason.
If you do not want people to answer something other then what you want to hear, then do not ask. It’s as simple as that. It’s getting kind of tiresome for people to ask an opinion then try to argue with responses they do not agree with.

Suggestions belong in the suggestions forum, that is what it is for.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

You asked for our opinions, I gave you mine with my main reason.
If you do not want people to answer something other then what you want to hear, then do not ask. It’s as simple as that. It’s getting kind of tiresome for people to ask an opinion then try to argue with responses they do not agree with.

Suggestions belong in the suggestions forum, that is what it is for.

well, you are free to voice out your opinions, and i am free to shoot them down. this is what we call, freedom of speech, yes?

oh, i do want people to voice out, so i can, you know, negate their feedback.
and what do we do in forums? argue, of course! but, politely, so we do not get infractions.

and for the last time, this is not a suggestion.
this is a discussion.

Nope, no gem system for this kind of things. In my opinion guild/player housing should be something fun and relaxing. A place to rest and enjoy the things you have managed to gather during your adventures.

Not to require a horrible nonstop grind and/or a thick wallet.

Ameepa.6793:

Nope, no gem system for this kind of things. In my opinion guild/player housing should be something fun and relaxing. A place to rest and enjoy the things you have managed to gather during your adventures.

Not to require a horrible nonstop grind and/or a thick wallet.

but. why not?
a lot of people are already paying gems for custom arena starter kit.

i dun see many people complaining.
in fact, i see quite a number of custom arenas in the pvp game browser.

the gem store offers “convenience” and “cosmetic” items.
“fun” and “relaxing” kinda relates well with “convenience” and “cosmetic” yes?

do you have more reasons and opinions to share?

anyway, i’ll say mine again.

pushing guild halls to gem stores will most likely accelerate the development on guild halls.

insisting that guild halls should be free, does not require gems, etc will very well mean that guild halls development chucked into a corner of the table as they work on more profitable things, such as living story and the time limited gem store items associated with it.

no one wishes to challenge me on this subject?

I’d much rather a system that a guild can work towards together. Influence seems the logical ’currency’ to me.

There is still the option to buy influence with gold, as well as a guild being able to work towards it.

Adding a basic guild hall and then expansions via the guild upgrade panel, would be something I would love to see.

A new crafting profession: Carpenter, could allow us to create items for our guild halls. I would like to see the ability to furnish and decorate a guild hall with free positioning on all three axis and not fixed placements.

This system could be expanded to personal housing, with an upgrade that allowed ’doors’ that matched the guild size. This feature would need some kind of eviction process for inactive members, though.

Talenna.4052:

I’d much rather a system that a guild can work towards together. Influence seems the logical ‘currency’ to me.

There is still the option to buy influence with gold, as well as a guild being able to work towards it.

Adding a basic guild hall and then expansions via the guild upgrade panel, would be something I would love to see.

A new crafting profession: Carpenter, could allow us to create items for our guild halls. I would like to see the ability to furnish and decorate a guild hall with free position on all three axis and fixed placements.

This system could be expanded to personal housing, with an upgrade that allowed ‘doors’ that matched the guild size. This feature would need some kind of eviction process for inactive members, though.

yes, personally, for me as well, it makes much more sense if guild influence and guild merit is used for unlocking guild halls. this, i agree.

however, we are getting nothing.
it has been over a year since release.

people has been asking for guild halls.
what do we get? living story. gem store items.

what does this tells me? their priority is gem store sales.
this gave me the impression, unless we some associate guild halls with the gem store, we will never see guild halls being worked on, ever.

anyway, what if the basic guild hall unlock does not require gems, but additional “convenience” and “cosmetic” guild hall upgrades require gems?

what do you make of that?

Absolutely not. No ‘buying’ guild halls with gems. Nothing basic for guild halls with gems.

As for ‘monetization’, it would be acceptable to obtain upgrades and/or ‘decorations’ with gold, which for those that wish to, can be purchased with gems. If nothing else, as you, yourself, stated, the gold-to-gem conversion would skyrocket out of everyone’s reach but the most wealthy in-game, should guild halls or their amenities be only obtainable with gems.

You say nothing has been introduced into the game without gems being associated with it. Might I remind you of the wallet? The ability to preview items? The LFG tool? There have been many additions to the game that haven’t needed to be purchased with gems….or even gold.

No on ‘buying’ guild halls.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Ameepa.6793:

Nope, no gem system for this kind of things. In my opinion guild/player housing should be something fun and relaxing. A place to rest and enjoy the things you have managed to gather during your adventures.

Not to require a horrible nonstop grind and/or a thick wallet.

but. why not?
a lot of people are already paying gems for custom arena starter kit.

i dun see many people complaining.
in fact, i see quite a number of custom arenas in the pvp game browser.

the gem store offers “convenience” and “cosmetic” items.
“fun” and “relaxing” kinda relates well with “convenience” and “cosmetic” yes?

do you have more reasons and opinions to share?

anyway, i’ll say mine again.

pushing guild halls to gem stores will most likely accelerate the development on guild halls.

insisting that guild halls should be free, does not require gems, etc will very well mean that guild halls development chucked into a corner of the table as they work on more profitable things, such as living story and the time limited gem store items associated with it.

no one wishes to challenge me on this subject?

Challenge you how? You are correct in everything you say. Involving gem store would of course accelerate the developement.

But would I want gem store based housing? No, I would not.

no- sorry
the gem shop is supposed to be about fluff and cosmetics.
Not paid game content.
you are seriously overstating the importance of the gemshop

It is Anet’s interest to add guild halls and personal housing to the game because they are very aware of the benefits for the community and the longevity of the game.

We will see these things but not in the gemshop- cosmetics for guild halls and housing may very well end up in the shop but that is entirely appropriate.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Absolutely not. No ‘buying’ guild halls with gems. Nothing basic for guild halls with gems.

aye, somehow they got away with gems for custom arena starter kit and custom arena time tokens. -_-

As for ‘monetization’, it would be acceptable to obtain upgrades and/or ‘decorations’ with gold, which for those that wish to, can be purchased with gems. If nothing else, as you, yourself, stated, the gold-to-gem conversion would skyrocket out of everyone’s reach but the most wealthy in-game, should guild halls or their amenities be only obtainable with gems.

hmmm fair enough.

You say nothing has been introduced into the game without gems being associated with it. Might I remind you of the wallet? The ability to preview items? The LFG tool? There have been many additions to the game that haven’t needed to be purchased with gems….or even gold.

ah, you got me there. :p
hopefully, we would get guild halls soon too.

but i can’t think of any other methods to speed up that process.

No on ‘buying’ guild halls.

thanks for the feedback!

Ameepa.6793:

Challenge you how? You are correct in everything you say. Involving gem store would of course accelerate the developement.

But would I want gem store based housing? No, I would not.

hmm true.

even if the basic guild hall is non-gems, while convenience and cosmetic upgrades cost gems. you would not accept that as well?

again, thanks for the feedback!

Morrigan.2809:

no- sorry
the gem shop is supposed to be about fluff and cosmetics.
Not paid game content.
you are seriously overstating the importance of the gemshop

but they are charging gems for custom arena starter kit and custom arena time tokens!
those certainly are not fluff and cosmetics.

It is Anet’s interest to add guild halls and personal housing to the game because they are very aware of the benefits for the community and the longevity of the game.

seriously though, guild halls should have been in the game at launch.

now we have wait for more than a year, still no news.

We will see these things but not in the gemshop- cosmetics for guild halls and housing may very well end up in the shop but that is entirely appropriate.

so, can i take it that your stance is:
basic guild hall = no gems
cosmetic for guild halls, housing = gems, ok

correct? yes?

also, thanks for participating in this discussion!

MM interesting question.
I do think we should get guild housing and personal housing for free and I would also want the crafts and the ability to craft cosmetics for those form the game in addition to little perks for your house as rewards from doing things in game.

I might be very optimistic but I feel that there is a good chance that this will happen.

Gemshop housing items to me would be things along the line of- the ability to put all your alts in your house- so you can have them lounge around as it where.
lol! I am actually finding it pretty hard to imagine gemshop items for housing may be, I just drew a complete blank.

I don’t think you have to try and think up ways for them to feel more urgent about it though, Anet is aware that players want it very much- just because we do not know anything about it doesn’t mean much honestly.

Slapping housing or guild halls into the gem store would be a completely backwards idea. Without even delving into pay2win (I use this term, because guild halls in GW1 were pretty much a straight upgrade to the average player) let’s get into the whole influence and merits system.

At current, we have -no- high end influence or merit sink. An active guild who has been of a reputable size as of launch will have well over 200,000 influence and all permanent upgrades. Tacking this on to gem store trite, would be (and apologies for being blunt) completely and utterly a stupid idea.

From another direction, it seems to me like the only reason you are suggesting this is to have the content developed faster. It seems you would rather, instead of having a nice, well thought out system that may take a year or two to develop, have a completely rushed system that’s only validation is being a quick cash grab. This is -not- the way to handle content. The gem store should be used for costumes, and little anecdotes (Such as the boom box, musical instruments, the kites) that really only add a bit of flair, rather than meaty content, to the game. Hell, even having gem store armor skins is a bit…wrong. Especially when you consider that there has not been an entire set of armor added to the game available in-game since release. And using the “convert gold to gems” argument is complete insanity, as the conversion of gems to gold is unregulated, and is the sole cause of ridiculous inflation in game.

To reiterate, having a rushed, crap version that relies on gems, would not only drive people away, but it’s going to pretty much destroy yet another facet of Anet’s “vision” of the game. (This is a little personal gripe regarding game state and manifest) Have a little patience, and let’s see what happens.