Guild Wars 2

Change it to “grants 20 levels of experience”!

I have all my chr slots maxed with characters all around the lvl 50 range….with 3 80’s….so the scroll of experience is worthless to me

this way people who are trying a new class in a spare chr slot can get to 20 instantly or faithful players can get a 50 alt to 80 faster

How about ‘No’?

I feel like 20 levels is a bit much. That’s skipping past a lot of content.
Its one thing pushing an alt from 1 to 20 but a character from 50 to 70 for a one year birthday? Nah. Heck, I am pretty sure I have a character somewhere that is almost a year old and not 80 yet lol.

They couldn’t do that and still have them be half as common as they are now. If you don’t need the scrolls for unlocking skills on characters, you can always use the skill points to buy stuff for forge recipes. Get crystals for upgrading mats, guides for upgrading siege equipment, an eldritch scroll to craft mystic forge exotics, or philosopher’s stones to work on clovers for a legendary.

You do get an “experience scroll” in the 5000 point achievement chest that jumps a character to level 20 as you wish.

Dunno what I’m gonna do with 8 of these.

Thalfon.1269:

They couldn’t do that and still have them be half as common as they are now. If you don’t need the scrolls for unlocking skills on characters, you can always use the skill points to buy stuff for forge recipes. Get crystals for upgrading mats, guides for upgrading siege equipment, an eldritch scroll to craft mystic forge exotics, or philosopher’s stones to work on clovers for a legendary.

You do get an “experience scroll” in the 5000 point achievement chest that jumps a character to level 20 as you wish.

The OP is not talking about the scrolls that drop from the champion loot bags, which award skill points. He’s talking about the Scroll of Experience that you get on the birthday of your character. The assumption is that it is the same scroll as the one in the 5,000 and 10,000 AP chests. What the OP wants is a scroll that gives 20 levels ups to a character of any level. That is, instead of being “levels up from x to 20”, he wants “levels up from x to x+20”, such as from 50 to 70.

Olba.5376:

Thalfon.1269:

They couldn’t do that and still have them be half as common as they are now. If you don’t need the scrolls for unlocking skills on characters, you can always use the skill points to buy stuff for forge recipes. Get crystals for upgrading mats, guides for upgrading siege equipment, an eldritch scroll to craft mystic forge exotics, or philosopher’s stones to work on clovers for a legendary.

You do get an “experience scroll” in the 5000 point achievement chest that jumps a character to level 20 as you wish.

The OP is not talking about the scrolls that drop from the champion loot bags, which award skill points. He’s talking about the Scroll of Experience that you get on the birthday of your character. The assumption is that it is the same scroll as the one in the 5,000 and 10,000 AP chests. What the OP wants is a scroll that gives 20 levels ups to a character of any level. That is, instead of being “levels up from x to 20”, he wants “levels up from x to x+20”, such as from 50 to 70.

Thanks for explaining it. You hit it on the nail.

I mean you can keep the 5,000 and 10,000 AP chests the same as “x to 20”…but for our chrs birthday you could give us one that does “x + 20” meaning i could use it at 50 and still profit from it

However i could see the problem of getting 8 of these if you made 8 chrs on Aug 25th. So make them soulbound, and if that persons chr is at lvl 80, they get 20 skill points.

Zayd Akira.1942:

How about ‘No’?

I feel like 20 levels is a bit much. That’s skipping past a lot of content.
Its one thing pushing an alt from 1 to 20 but a character from 50 to 70 for a one year birthday? Nah. Heck, I am pretty sure I have a character somewhere that is almost a year old and not 80 yet lol.

1 to 20 and 50 to 70 is skipping pretty much the exact same content…the story lines are parted by 10’s….so your skipping two story arcs either way you look at it…plus your doing it on an alt so you’ve already seen the content anyways

Some level ranges are far harder than others to pass. The ~20-40 range for example is completely insane due to a lack of good events and massive level jumps between each stage of the personal story.

yea but it’s not like it isn’t as easy as spending 5-8g and just leveling cooking/artificing/jewelcrafting

levels in this game are practically given to you already…i could spend 40 bucks on gems to get 80g and just level to max through crafting….which would actually hurt Anet if they would change it to what i’d like them to change it to

Correct. Levels are practically given to you – So why should you get a booster to give you +20 levels? Levelling in this game isn’t difficult at all. I’ve levelled from playing a few hours a day, from 1-80 in a week without crafting. I levelled my theif in 3 days through the Pavillion. It’s not hard, and to be honest, the world is better than a lot of worlds that I have played in – Why would you wanna miss all that? Okay, so you’ve done it before, doesn’t mean you should just be handed 1/4 of your characters final progress.

I started a thread almost identical asking for the XP scrolls to change from 1-20 to X+19. Making a new character is something that takes time. Many people spend an hour (or more) just in the character creation screens making them look perfect. Then you start playing a brand new profession and won’t really know if you’ll even like it till 20 levels. How long does it take a new Ele to unlock all those weapon skills and do some DEs and hearts? Before you know it, you’re lvl 10-15 and you’ve decided “I like this” and by then the scroll is a waste. Or you roll a new necro, use the scroll, play for an hour and realize you wasted the scroll on a profession you hate.

If you can make the scrolls X+19 then they function the same way but without robbing players of the joy of discovering a brand new profession. Heck, limit it so you have to be lvl 50 or lower to use it. That way nobody can skip 70-80 without doing it for real.

or just have the scroll assigna fixed amount of ~116k experience – which is what’s needed to level from 1-20
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Experience

Zayd Akira.1942:

How about ‘No’?

I feel like 20 levels is a bit much. That’s skipping past a lot of content.
Its one thing pushing an alt from 1 to 20 but a character from 50 to 70 for a one year birthday? Nah. Heck, I am pretty sure I have a character somewhere that is almost a year old and not 80 yet lol.

It’s not skipping past content because you can do that particular leveled content any time you want no matter what level you are.

Seras.5702:

I started a thread almost identical asking for the XP scrolls to change from 1-20 to X+19. Making a new character is something that takes time. Many people spend an hour (or more) just in the character creation screens making them look perfect. Then you start playing a brand new profession and won’t really know if you’ll even like it till 20 levels. How long does it take a new Ele to unlock all those weapon skills and do some DEs and hearts? Before you know it, you’re lvl 10-15 and you’ve decided “I like this” and by then the scroll is a waste. Or you roll a new necro, use the scroll, play for an hour and realize you wasted the scroll on a profession you hate.

If you can make the scrolls X+19 then they function the same way but without robbing players of the joy of discovering a brand new profession. Heck, limit it so you have to be lvl 50 or lower to use it. That way nobody can skip 70-80 without doing it for real.

+1

Yeah, I agree with this.

I only have 3 level 80s after a year and I still have 5 to go, but I get this is pretty useless for those who have all 80. There’s always going to come a point where this is a useless item unless you keep a character under level 20 for a year or you constantly delete and re-make characters.

Jordo.5913:

Change it to “grants 20 levels of experience”!

I have all my chr slots maxed with characters all around the lvl 50 range….with 3 80’s….so the scroll of experience is worthless to me

this way people who are trying a new class in a spare chr slot can get to 20 instantly or faithful players can get a 50 alt to 80 faster

Good idea, but I have a better one, that is also just as easy to program: “Grants the XP equivalent required to go from 1 to 20”. Now no one feels like they’re getting too much XP, leveling too fast, etc, and those with 80s can get bonus skillpoints from a few extra levelups (need those for making the high end stuff, I hear).

I think what would be fair is if the scrolls work as normal, but if you’re level 21 or higher and use it, it gives 10 levels instead of 20.

make it grant half the levels, i mean levels arent hard to gain anyways….but when you have 10 characters like me, and 5 of them are level 80 and the other 5 are above level 20…the scrolls as the are are useless.

Mizuki Kusanagi.6584:

or just have the scroll assigna fixed amount of ~116k experience – which is what’s needed to level from 1-20
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Experience

That is less than half a bar for an 80

OR you could just accept its by design an incentive to make an alt, not to power up a main.

Nike.2631:

OR you could just accept its by design an incentive to make an alt, not to power up a main.

see thats nice for people who still have characters under level 20….i wont be buying a new character slot unless they add another race, and a new class. so until then for me they are useless.

Then they are meant to be useless to you.

Its a coupon. You don’t buy the product, you don’t save the 18 levels of time.

Nike.2631:

OR you could just accept its by design an incentive to make an alt, not to power up a main.

I have 6 alts. 3 level 80, 3 above 60, and my main is level 80. The scroll is useless to me.

So?

Come on people – when you get a coupon for $10 off a meal, you KNOW you can just walk in to the place and demand $10 for it.

Don’t pretend this thing is more than it is… or that nearby restaurants are about to start showering you with money.

Mizuki Kusanagi.6584:

or just have the scroll assigna fixed amount of ~116k experience – which is what’s needed to level from 1-20
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Experience

Hey, that’s a pretty good idea!

i do like the equivalent of the same amount of exp

@ Nike: This is a coupon that is being given to people for playing since launch, and continuing to play a year later on that same character. You would think they would want to give out a coupon that 100% of the recipiants could use rather than one that 20% can use, for those who have a chr slot open to try out an alt.

This argument is futile. You will all be ignored by ArenaNet.

The scroll is only to have a little head start with making alts.
It should remain as it is.

( P.S. Where was it when I was making my 9 characters… )

So does this mean that you can start an alt, use the scroll and get your free BL key for making it to level 10?

You don’t get a BL key by getting level 10 but by doing the level 10 personnal story. I think the best would be to get your character to lvl20 if said character is under 20 and giving a set amount of xp for characters above lv20.

20 levels is a bad idea, in my opinion. A player with four one-year old characters could create a fifth and get him to the level cap in a matter of seconds. Now if the scrolls gave 20 skill points to any character level 20 or higher, then I could throw my support behind that change.

Alissah.9281:

Mizuki Kusanagi.6584:

or just have the scroll assigna fixed amount of ~116k experience – which is what’s needed to level from 1-20
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Experience

Hey, that’s a pretty good idea!

Yeah i’d be fine with that. If the scroll was changed to give a set experience that happens to be enough to get from 1-20.

darkace.8925:

20 levels is a bad idea, in my opinion. A player with four one-year old characters could create a fifth and get him to the level cap in a matter of seconds. Now if the scrolls gave 20 skill points to any character level 20 or higher, then I could throw my support behind that change.

That’s why a set amount of xp for characters above level 20 would be good, and on the matter of creating a character and getting him to the level cap in a matter of seconds, I can and already did it thanks to crafting (well not seconds, but you get the point, it’s already pretty kitten quick).

I’m really, really, hoping it’s not the same as the level 20 scroll. I have 10 characters and only one is under 20. At level 18, this isn’t much of a gift. A useful gift, keeping in mind that this is received after playing at least an entire year, would be a scroll that at minimum boost any character’s level by 20. The principle is the same (create/use alternates) but it would be useful in allowing experienced players to more quickly do new things rather spending time in a zone they already know front and back.

The scroll should remain as it is now. With a possible upgrade to “You are instant level 20 and each level you had before gives 1 free skill point” (example: next paragraph). I got a few level 80 chars, level 50, 45, 35 and 20 (that one thanks to the scroll) and I guess I can say you level fast enough (so you don’t need the scroll) and as long as you have enough new chars these scrolls are quite nice. My ele got my first scroll and “one kill, one skill” was quite nice to get all weapon skills. Starting with 3 utility skills is pretty awesome too. The only thing you need: better gear! When I have the 10k chest a new warrior will be the next.

char level —> result (level, skillpoints)
1 --> 20, 1+10 (1 for the first level, 10 points for levelups from 11 to 20)
2 —> 20, 2+10
3 --> 20, 3+10
4 —> 20, 4+10
5 --> 20, 5+10
….
20 —> level 20 + 20 skillpoints
21 --> level 21 + 20 skillpoints
…
80 —> level 80 + 20 skillpoints

would not be much, but something… and since there are so many xp scrolls thanks to champs it would not make a difference that would have a bad influence…

€dit:
Another way:
It could give a specified amount of xp but at least 1 or 2 levels + x skill points…

e.g. with 2 levels

char level —> new level & skillpoints
1-19 —> 20 & 1-10 (like before)
20+ --> level+2 & 2 +x skillpoints
…
77 —> 79 & 2 +x skillpoints
78-80 --> 80 & 2 +x skillpoints

It should bump a player 20 levels regardless of their level.

There is no reason otherwise since every level past 20 is the same experience/events to get.

1. not correct, you get more xp at the beginning (multiplicator for several xp sources of 2 that decreases slowly to 1)… the time needed to level up will constant somewhere after level 20…
2. why 20 levels? why not ~160k exp for free? that is the amount you would need to get from level 2 to 20… when you are level 80 that would be ~60% of the level…
3. when your parents would give you a car for free would you nag until you get a Ferrari/Porsche? If “it should bump a player 20 levels…” then it would work that way…
4. it’s a FREE coupon (“earned” by playing the game, but they don’t need to give us those…) and of course Anet tries to sell more character slots… use it, save it or throw it away…
5. Would be unfair if it would be changed since many players used 1-? scrolls already… maybe they wouldn’t have used another way if it would have been working your way…

/no

+1 from me. I’ve got 1 of each class well over level 20. This item is completely useless to over half the people I know in game… and now we have 2 of them.

I wonder why Anet put that scroll into the higher achievement points. I mean, if you have that many achievement points, you probably already have a ton of classes at level 20+ anyway. But yeah, I agree. It’s completely useless to me.

Galtrix.7369:

I wonder why Anet put that scroll into the higher achievement points. I mean, if you have that many achievement points, you probably already have a ton of classes at level 20+ anyway. But yeah, I agree. It’s completely useless to me.

Assuming it’s not for new players because of the F2P period, which I don’t think it is since I don’t think they get the gift.

Then yeah, it’s a bit silly.

Galtrix.7369:

I wonder why Anet put that scroll into the higher achievement points. I mean, if you have that many achievement points, you probably already have a ton of classes at level 20+ anyway. But yeah, I agree. It’s completely useless to me.

Don`t assume. I`ve been playing since headstart and only have 3 80s. Most of my other characters are still level 2-6.

This level 20 scroll is so useful on my 1 year old character, he only made it to level 10 in 1 year.

said no1 ever

Galtrix.7369:

I wonder why Anet put that scroll into the higher achievement points. I mean, if you have that many achievement points, you probably already have a ton of classes at level 20+ anyway. But yeah, I agree. It’s completely useless to me.

Not really. I have 4100~ AP, and only have 2 characters. I’ve played since release. It would be very useful if I decide to roll another in the near future. I do not like leveling at all, so anything that reduces time spent leveling is good.

The level 20 scroll is a complete waste for me. I have 8 level 80 characters (one of each profession). I made them at launch. I appreciate that A-Net is giving us items for achievements and for being long term players. However, they should be more realistic. With over 10k achievement points, I really do not have a need for 10 of these scrolls. How about an option to put them into the mystic forge?

They just do not seem like a well thought out idea…. I can’t help but feel like it was added in at the last moment as an after thought.

Thought not useless, the majority of people who would be able to get one would have little to no use of it. Yes some people may still have use for it but from what I see that’s the minority.

Making it +20 levels instead of to level 20 would make a lot more sense due to the time required of play to get these. This would help those, such as I, who have every class above level 20, and those who don’t, cause it’d still give them the 20 levels anyway.

This has literally no use for me.

Chorel.1720:

Galtrix.7369:

I wonder why Anet put that scroll into the higher achievement points. I mean, if you have that many achievement points, you probably already have a ton of classes at level 20+ anyway. But yeah, I agree. It’s completely useless to me.

Don`t assume. I`ve been playing since headstart and only have 3 80s. Most of my other characters are still level 2-6.

I only have 2 lvl 80’s, but my alts are like 15+.

So….

If most people have all their alts above 20, what good would the scroll be? You have to look at it from the monetization perspective……to entice you into buying more toon slots from the Gem Store. In the end, it’s all about the $$$.

Villious.8530:

If most people have all their alts above 20, what good would the scroll be? You have to look at it from the monetization perspective……to entice you into buying more toon slots from the Gem Store. In the end, it’s all about the $$$.

What good is that if someone has no desire to level another character?

And if I want to level my lvl 25 character only, how would restarting him to use the scroll help lol.

Knote.2904:

Villious.8530:

If most people have all their alts above 20, what good would the scroll be? You have to look at it from the monetization perspective……to entice you into buying more toon slots from the Gem Store. In the end, it’s all about the $$$.

What good is that if someone has no desire to level another character?

And if I want to level my lvl 25 character only, how would restarting him to use the scroll help lol.

Not sure you got the point of my post. My point being, they are trying to entice us to buy more toon slots. Key word….“entice”.