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Posted by: Sad Swordfish.9743

Sad Swordfish.9743

More people who buy GW2, more potential revenue from the gem store, and more resources allocated to the future development of GW. Thus we have to conclude that more people is good for the game. Though, having lots of ppl in your game also create negative circumstances.

Looking at the massive success of games like LoL and DOTA2 (which now, in its beta form has over a quarter of a million people playing at the same time) it seems that these games win as e-sport games for their accessibility.

Some people feel that sPvP in GW2 has missed the ball, and even with all these new additions, the party is over. It’s done. It’s chance to become big is almost impossible, even if they fixed whatever is wrong with it. It’s a shame because there is so much potential there, and GW2 hits a gameplay style between action games and MOBA games and MMORPGs, and it’s entertaining to watch.

sPvP is currently stale. It’s also separated from the main open world game.

If ArenaNet used the sPvP to lure in lots of potential players to promote their sport by offering access to sPvP for free (with sneaky possibility for buying the full game digitally if they like it) wouldn’t it push in a lot of new breath into the game?
Nobody says that sPvP needs to be Starcraft2 or DOTA2 level of e-sport, but I think many of us would have loved to have seen it.

Benefits;

-entry point for playing with friends who wont commit to buying a game; lets face it, lots of us have friends who play games like DOTA2 and LoL because they are free, and thus gamers end up playing the games that their non-gamer friends play. Not exclusively but it happens often. This would allow non-gamers who wont initially , take the plunge.

increased revenue for ArenaNet and a new income of players into populating the sPvP and possible also the open world; Having access to 1-2 character slots and sPvP, a person who enjoys the game might upgrade digitally to the full game, and take their pvp character they have potentially played for hundreds of hours into the real world, and/or use the gem store to buy vanity stuff inside sPvP or more character slots, and other things.

increased spectatatorial audience; GW2 is a massive world, with lots of servers. within each server is WvWvW, personal story, tons of dungeons and overflow servers. This spread up a massive population thin. one of those places that are spread thin are sPvP. Nobody can become famous, notorious or renowned in sPvP because there is not a following, watching, commenting, promoting, discussing and feeling it.
We all remember the insane numbers LoL had for people who was watching its championships. Being able to have a following, creates purpose and initiative and makes it more fun. If its the players world, they want to make their mark.

The ugly;

- more stress on the servers

- if. IF, this would become popular and draw lots of new people in, which it might not – many MMOs go free-2-play and fewer and fewer people seem to care. GW2s sPvP would have to be of significantly high quality, and it would need to have a level of long term value that makes such a commitment worth it.

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Posted by: DreamOfACure.4382

DreamOfACure.4382

If it’s only sPvP, I could see it work.

There could even be a gag with the Asura Gates saying they have no soul, so they can enter the Open-World unless they buy one for $60. :P

However, there’s a lot more issues then simply server-stability.
1. Hackers
2. Jerks

1 and 2 are things ArenaNet would no longer be able to manage if the game went F2P.

You pointed towards LoL and DotA as successes when it comes to F2P games, but they are also equally good examples of games that are renowned for having abusive communities.
Nobody wants that floodgate being let loose on here.

Maybe instead of going F2P, ArenaNet could start selling a PvP edition of Guild Wars 2 that only gives you access to sPvP.
It would cost $15, significantly less then the full-game price.

“Bleeding, Poison, Confusion, Torment, they all look delightful on you.”

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Posted by: Nuka Cola.8520

Nuka Cola.8520

spvp for free could be a very solid deal cuz right now its not exactly populated much.

Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.

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Posted by: Ronah.2869

Ronah.2869

GW2 F2P model:
- 2 character slots instead of 5 with the possibility of buying more till maximum 5
- 5 out of 8 professions available with no paid option for unlocking the other 3 ( no thief, guardian or necromancer)
- 3 out of 5 races (no humans or norns) with no paid option for unlocking the other 2
- no chat access except the party channel
- no guild joining or creating ability
- no mail sending possibility, just receiving
- limited access to LFG tool when available
- no access to explorable paths in dungeons
- higher taxes for teleporting, TP listing, armor repairs
- option to upgrade to standard and deluxe edition unlocking all the existing options
- prices with 25% higher for the TP gem items
- no WvW access
- limited sPvP access for only 15 matches / day

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Posted by: Monkey Fritz.9052

Monkey Fritz.9052

GW2 F2P model:
- 2 character slots instead of 5 with the possibility of buying more till maximum 5
- 5 out of 8 professions available with no paid option for unlocking the other 3 ( no thief, guardian or necromancer)
- 3 out of 5 races (no humans or norns) with no paid option for unlocking the other 2
- no chat access except the party channel
- no guild joining or creating ability
- no mail sending possibility, just receiving
- limited access to LFG tool when available
- no access to explorable paths in dungeons
- higher taxes for teleporting, TP listing, armor repairs
- option to upgrade to standard and deluxe edition unlocking all the existing options
- prices with 25% higher for the TP gem items
- no WvW access
- limited sPvP access for only 15 matches / day

A simple two week free trial would be better than that. But that won’t happen until the game has been out at least a year. Anything in the realm of trials or limited access is a PR nightmare screaming “Our game is dying, please buy it!”

Since spvp is only one aspect of the game, which is otherwise still selling record numbers, I wouldn’t expect much to happen.

As I understand it sPvP is nowhere near what they intended, it wasn’t “done” when the game shipped. Whenever it gets expanded, expect some heavy PR and in-game promotion.

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Posted by: JemL.3501

JemL.3501

Game is already free to play, terrible idea -1, i would ask for a refund if something were to be handed for free…what would be the point in paying for a box…this isnt p2p.

I took an arrow to the knee

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Posted by: DreamOfACure.4382

DreamOfACure.4382

Game is already free to play

Where are you getting this silly notion? I keep seeing people saying it.

Guild Wars 2 is not free-to-play. It’s buy-to-play.
This is a big difference with huge underlying ramifications (such as the inability for botters to infinitely remake new accounts)

“Bleeding, Poison, Confusion, Torment, they all look delightful on you.”

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Posted by: Fred Fargone.3127

Fred Fargone.3127

Game is already free to play

Where are you getting this silly notion? I keep seeing people saying it.

Guild Wars 2 is not free-to-play. It’s buy-to-play.
This is a big difference with huge underlying ramifications (such as the inability for botters to infinitely remake new accounts)

You keep seeing that “silly notion” as another definition, a rather logical one, of “free-to-play” is that playing the game costs nothing. (Owning it however does.)

People who can argue often offer a good and meaningful conversation about the subject.
People who can’t tend to call the opponent troll, scream something utterly incomprehensible
and finally result to personal insults.

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Posted by: GummiBear.2756

GummiBear.2756

(Owning it however does.)

and THAT is the reason it is a “silly notion” Free-to-play means it is free to BUY AND PLAY, which is not the case, thus B2P (buy-to-play) is what it is NOT F2P

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Posted by: Monkey Fritz.9052

Monkey Fritz.9052

Game is already free to play,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play

You mean “Sub-Less.”

F2P specifically means zero upfront cost to access the content.
Otherwise any multiplayer game on PS3 would be considered F2P.

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Posted by: Fred Fargone.3127

Fred Fargone.3127

(Owning it however does.)

and THAT is the reason it is a “silly notion” Free-to-play means it is free to BUY AND PLAY, which is not the case, thus B2P (buy-to-play) is what it is NOT F2P

As I said, there are two common opinions on the definition of F2P. It’s good to understand both sides.

1. People who define “F2P” as literally “Free to play” (E.g. Only playing is free)
2. People who define “F2P” as “Free to acquire and play.” (Which is not quite as literal)
Neither of these exclude the possibility of having micro transactions.

People who can argue often offer a good and meaningful conversation about the subject.
People who can’t tend to call the opponent troll, scream something utterly incomprehensible
and finally result to personal insults.

(edited by Fred Fargone.3127)

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Posted by: Sad Swordfish.9743

Sad Swordfish.9743

Game is already free to play, terrible idea -1, i would ask for a refund if something were to be handed for free…what would be the point in paying for a box…this isnt p2p.

its like being a drug dealer. you give the first merchandise away for free to make the customer hooked. then you charge.

sPvP would be a trojan horse.. once it has been fixed. a new influx of players, allowing sPvP to get their own community and lots of spectators.

they will see how cool the game is and witness that sPvP is only a small part. you can play DOTA2 or team fortress 2 for free, but you cant take your character out in some big open world, make him grow and socialise or do WvWvW.

I think many people will be lurred into coming for the f2p, but end up buying the whole game (40 dollars usd right into Anets pocket) to get more than the sPvP module.

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Posted by: Killyox.3950

Killyox.3950

MAking game that makes money > making e-sport game that does not make money.

GW2 first and foremost is an investition that is expected to generate revenue.

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Posted by: SoPP.7034

SoPP.7034

As I understand it sPvP is nowhere near what they intended, it wasn’t “done” when the game shipped. Whenever it gets expanded, expect some heavy PR and in-game promotion.

lol, if sPvP wasn’t done then WvW must have still been in alpha mode. WvW has gets even less <3 than sPvP.

A warrior, a guardian, and an elementalist walk into an open field…
The Warrior turns to the guardian and says, “Did you hear something?”
Guardian replies, “No, but how’d the elementalist die?”

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Posted by: Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981

I think there would be more population if the glory weapons and armor had their own unique models and could be worn outside the Mists.

Grind Wars 2: Heart of Tears

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Posted by: Sad Swordfish.9743

Sad Swordfish.9743

MAking game that makes money > making e-sport game that does not make money.

GW2 first and foremost is an investition that is expected to generate revenue.

It will make revenue for them if e-sport players buy the full game and keep populating the base game:)

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Posted by: Eladriel.7295

Eladriel.7295

Game is already free to play

Where are you getting this silly notion? I keep seeing people saying it.

Guild Wars 2 is not free-to-play. It’s buy-to-play.
This is a big difference with huge underlying ramifications (such as the inability for botters to infinitely remake new accounts)

You keep seeing that “silly notion” as another definition, a rather logical one, of “free-to-play” is that playing the game costs nothing. (Owning it however does.)

Free to play, buy to play who gives a skirtts butt. You all just agree to disagree and go on and stop beating the horse he’s dead already…pfft

Together we stand in the face of evil!

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Posted by: Halanna.3927

Halanna.3927

If you’ve played any true F2P, meaning no paying for the box game, just download and play – you’ll realize these games are anything but F2P.

Yes you can download free, you can log in free, but if you want to access additional content, you pay, if you want to do just about anything within the game other than log in, you’re going to be paying.

There is no true F2P game. Since the company is getting not a dime from you at the outset, they will certainly get it out of you for basic features and necessary items to play, that you have to pay for.

I think Anet has it right. You buy the game, other things are optional. You don’t need more storage space, you want it, so you buy it. Need and want are not the same thing.

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Posted by: GummiBear.2756

GummiBear.2756

@Halanna: Then you never played any of the proper F2P games, there are certainly games out there where you dont dont need to spend ANY money at all, DDO (dungeons and dragons online) or LOTRO being two, where the currency you actually can pay for can also be earned by playing the game normally