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Posted by: Pinder.5261

Pinder.5261

I don’t naturally gravitate towards evil alignment. I play lawful good. Neutral if I have an itch for something really out there. But the nightmare court charms me, they weaken my knees. I think, because they appeal to some rational truth about the way I approach the world. Centaur, bandit, Inquest, Flame Legion, Svanir, pirate, or any other of the names on this very, very long list? Kill them. On sight. And if possible, with a bit of flair.

As I am inclined to destroy (also inclined to feel pride, even joy, on the quality of my destruction) I feel immediately separate from those who lionize safety and salvation. I am ruthless and dangerous, a nest of brambles, a thorn upon the flesh. Good or bad, I am the Sylvari with the gun. And though I champion causes, cities, people; though I have no interest in the dragons’ relentless finality; though I want to see the world survive; I aid by reaping blood and sowing graves.

While neither sadist nor torturer, and considered a savior by many, perhaps… perhaps, I am still Nightmare.

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Posted by: Recycle.5493

Recycle.5493

Freedom or not, I feel fine the way I am, Ventari’s guide lines exist for a reason. For those who had tasted the joy and praise the so called “freedom,” there is no need to force others into your thinking. Brainwashed? Tricked? I, child of the Pale Tree, child of Tyria, am proud to follow Ventari’s teachings. Sure, there’ll be times when I have to stray afar, but it will only be for the greater good of races, of Tyria.

P.s. OP’s post sounds like a severe case of “Eighth Grade Syndrome.” :P

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Posted by: Curae.1837

Curae.1837

I am born under the pale tree, yet I feel suffocated by the dream, telling me what path to choose. It feels like I am not allowed to have a free will, like I am forced to walk the path the tree choose.
The nightmare is tempting, they’re free, different. Maybe they are evil and corrupted, but maybe the pale tree is brainwashing us.
The nightmare court is intriguing, interesting…
Something new. (and they look awesome xD)
signed- my necromancer…

“When we remember that we are all mad.
The mysteries dissapear and life stands explained.”

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Posted by: Tsubaki.2508

Tsubaki.2508

“All things have the right to grow”… except the nightmare court.

I’ve always seen nature as neutral, and it bugs me that GW2 Ventari sylvari are much more good than neutral, and not only that, but to actually pick a strong side every time. Yes, I think that some of the nightmare court themes are appealing, and it’d have been nice if you could actually choose your race’s “evil” faction in your story, but alas.

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Posted by: Zeefa.3915

Zeefa.3915

I have no desire to join the nightmare. The Pale Tree is not controling me, merely trying to guide my step, it is my choice if I will follow this direction. The nightmare court are but spoiled children, lead astray and lost.
Their acts are cruel and not only against the mother and Ventari, but against the good of life.

Life doesn’t stop being funny just because the dead can’t laugh.

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Posted by: tablespeaker.5864

tablespeaker.5864

soooo the posts so far seem pretty over the top, but hey i guess some people really get into role playing (though i’ve never seen the appeal who am I to judge).

But I more or less agree with tsubaki, would be good to have a choice and id personaly prefer nightmare, games with a moral compass tend to be more fun when your on the negative side.

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Posted by: ddoi.9264

ddoi.9264

“…the easiest way to enslave people is to promise them freedom. Dangle that carrot in front of them and they’ll move exactly the way you want.”

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Posted by: sevtrisen.5247

sevtrisen.5247

As a joke whenever I do TA Dungeon I’ll say “Why can’t we just be Nightmare Courtiers?”
( Plus points if you get the reference )
Also during the quest at Caledon where you disguise as a Nightmare Courtier I’d hang around there, asking players why they resist Nightmare.
I get pretty interesting answers saying that the Nightmare Courtiers are misled and this hurts everyone around them and that they must be punished/killed. Something like that.

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Anyways, no.
If I need to make a choice between Nightmare or Dream though.
I’d rather be Soundless. Seriously. :P
Since I agree that shared… well… everything is pretty… overwhelming.
And I’m not really into torturing others just for fun… :s

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Posted by: Doggie.3184

Doggie.3184

Nope, my Sylvari is a Blade of the Darkmoon and punishes sinners like the Nightmare Court.
He’s also a mama’s boy and loves Mother Tree. <3 Although he does like his freedom still and makes choices for himself. The Nightmare people are just too much of a crazy cult for me to want to join if they had the option available. I didn’t even want to join the Whispers either because of their underhandedness. Joined the Priory to be a Tomb Raider.

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Posted by: Rainydays.5368

Rainydays.5368

I am the Soundless. The Pale Tree is content to force it’s children into lives not of their own choosing. Destiny is forced upon you, pleasures stripped from you. The Nightmare Court strays far.. much too far from the dream. Uncaring for who is hurt, be it innocent or not. The ends do not justify our means. The Sylvari are still very young in this world.. Let us learn from the older races of Tyria before we try to change the path of the world. I am the soundless. Peace. Coexist. Knowledge unswayed by emotion.

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Posted by: Deim Hunir.8503

Deim Hunir.8503

If I wanted to stray from Ventari’s teachings for whatever reason and especially the dream I would definitely become soundless.
Even though I reckon it should be possible to stay connected to the Dream and still follow your own path eitherway.
The nightmare court as interesting as they are (one of the better evil factions imo) are still completely unreasonable.
Their attitude towards everything is just manipulative and their reasons overly convenient to excuse their extremist and twisted ways.
The teachings and the dream are just a cheap excuse they use to blame anything but themselves to act like conniving psychopaths with no boundaries.
Seriousness put aside it would be interesting to play as one though !
I still don’t support their ideology at all though.
I do like their passion and strong emotions though… but other sylvari have them too.

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Posted by: Advent.6193

Advent.6193

I’d roll Caithe-style. Balance right on the frigging edge, and call it a necessary thing.
Full Nightmare is an extreme, just as is blindly trusting the Tree. Either option is an unneeded complexity. And the Soundless … they’re just indecisive wimps; not whacked enough to fall completely, not hardcore enough to deal with the Dream on their own terms.

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Posted by: Oglaf.1074

Oglaf.1074

If I could be as overpowered with the Knockdown spamming as Nightmare Knights, I would!

I can do thirty Five-Dolyak Arm Curls.

Do you even lift, bro?

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Posted by: diamondgirl.6315

diamondgirl.6315

All the time, yes. I was kind of hoping it would be an early story choice, but …. no.

*EDIT for spelling

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Posted by: Yuki.4826

Yuki.4826

All the time I wish I was Part of the Nightmare court they look so cool and I like that so much better than the dream storyline thing
I would like it if we could have a choice to join the nightmare court somewhere in the storyline and if we said yes we could change our appearence and dye colors, with the black dye avalible.
It would be a nice twist to the storyline
Plus I love evil things XD I spend most of my time on my Sylvari standing in the Briarthorn Den thinking about how good it would be to join the nightmare and actually look like the disguise I am wearing (sigh)……….
Guild Wars 2 Please add the option to join the Nightmare Court Please
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Posted by: M Steel.2574

M Steel.2574

I hope to see the developers expand on Sylvari culture and factions in later expansions; fingers crossed. If you chose “Where Life Goes, So Too Should You,” then you know there is more to the dream/nightmare dichotomy than meets the eye. Personally I’d love the chance to join the Nightmare Court. The White Stag quest line shows that they consist of a wide range of characters (they are not all sociopaths) and if you listen to what they have to say and why they don’t follow Ventari’s teachings, it actually makes a lot of sense. There are also sylvari who cut themselves off from both the dream and the nightmare entirely. There is a lot of room for further exploration of sylvari culture and I hope we will see some in future game updates.

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Posted by: Nageth.5648

Nageth.5648

Honestly, I’d enjoy them putting more in regarding the soundless (they pretty much cease to exist after you leave the sylvari starting areas outside of some of the chatter in the Grove). How the sylvari of the dream handle more frequent interactions with the soundless would prove more interesting than the rather diametrically opposed dream vs. nightmare.

And regarding how the White Stag shows the one person in the Nightmare court who wasn’t a complete jerk (and is now dead) he really is more of the exception rather than the rule. The court’s leadership consists of a bunch of backstabbing jerks (is the hope of being the leader what draws people to like the idea of the court? I really do not understand how people sympathize here).

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Posted by: Akiko.2364

Akiko.2364

I sometimes feel, having gone through just about all the sylvari story lines, that the Nightmare Court is really the true nature of the sylvari and the Grove sylvari are the ones who are going against thier nature trying to be good.

the way they say that if someone becomes nightmare there is no way to bring them back… why is that? because they have had thier eyes opened to thier true nature?

Also Caithe in one story line kills a nightmare court recruiter you have kidnapped, dispite your character promising to release her for certain information (which she gives) .. certainly not the action of a “good” character. …

I also found it a bit suprising after her cold blooded murder of the girl your character dosnt even get upset…. you just carry on to the next story.

These and other clues from the game lead me to believe the Sylvari are really evil people who are being tempered by the Tablet …

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Posted by: Tsubaki.2508

Tsubaki.2508

Akiko’s idea is really interesting but I’m afraid Anet’s intention was to have the player always on the “good” side, that it was a conscious choice while writing the stories. As for your character not being upset – that’s a story writer mistake, been noticing stuff like that happens pretty much throughout all the stories >_> Characters that you’re told are your best friend you never meet again, etc.

All of the race nemeses are depicted as evil murdering scum (and we know nothing about why they do this), but it’s also totally alright to annihilate them too. So in reality, the Nightmare court exists in this form because Anet’s writers couldn’t come up with a good enemy. They’re not there to tempt you, they’re there because we need some reds to kill.

I think the concept of Nightmare court – being free from the Pale Tree and the dream is a good idea, and I would’ve examined it in what I was told was to be MY personal story. In my opinion, Anet did this all wrong. The writers for their weak personal storylines did such a poor job… bleh. That said, the society of Nightmare Court makes no sense with how poorly the underlings are treated, why don’t they……. just leave? Even if the Pale Tree is somehow hypocritically unwilling to welcome them back, why aren’t there more/*any sylvari in the middle grey area, unwilling to follow the dream, but not willing to join Nightmare Court? Writer mistake again.

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Posted by: Nageth.5648

Nageth.5648

The underlings are brainwashed. Their inability to leave is quite believable (the speed at which sylvari can fall to nightmare is a bit fast though, see the moon shield story).

The soundless exist to explore the philosophical discussions regarding the nature of the dream, they just forgot they existed extremely quickly to focus completely on killing the nightmare court. Here is hoping they put in content to address this.

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Posted by: Akiko.2364

Akiko.2364

I just want the cool whip weapon they have!

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Posted by: Pasha.2367

Pasha.2367

Nature is both good and terrible. Nature is savage and wild and dangerous. It is also beautiful and peaceful. The children of the Pale Tree have had this very natural duality stripped from them by the human influence and Ventari’s tablet. The Dream, to me, has always seemed like a form of hive mind keeping the Dreamers in some kind of permanent bliss so they are more affable to being controlled. And SPOILERS to any who haven’t done all of the personal quests but there are Sylvari out there not born of the Pale Tree and thus not trapped in the Dream. The problem with the Nightmare Court is that however good their initial intention, i.e. freeing the Pale Tree from Ventari’s tablet, they have become corrupted by the Elder Dragons. Instead of seeking balance and what is natural they’ve gone too far in the direction of darkness.

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Posted by: Akiko.2364

Akiko.2364

I’n not sure the nightmare court are under a dragons influence. There are many references in the personal stories about Sylvari’s natural resistance to dragons corruption, and its also been pointed out there are no Sylvari risen anywhere in the game.

Also from what I have seen Nightmare will fight with risen if they run into each other, which indicates they are on a different faction.

You also see this this with Bandits/Pirates and the Hirathi, they also fight any risen which seems to indicate to me they are a 3rd faction in the game who are between the “good” races and the Dragons.

The only ones who definitly are on the side of a dragon from what I have seen are the “evil” Norn’s

This is just from my observations of course, and I will easily admit I am no expert in GW lore.

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Posted by: Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Anakita Snakecharm.4360

The problem with the Nightmare Court is that however good their initial intention, i.e. freeing the Pale Tree from Ventari’s tablet…

I wouldn’t see that as a good intention, because they aren’t giving other Sylvari the same choice they insist on having for themselves.

The Sylvari personal story makes clear that 1.) Sylvari can and do choose not to follow Ventari’s teachings, and 2.) They don’t always agree on the interpretation of those teachings even if they basically agree that they should be followed. For example, in the “All things have a right to grow” storyline, the twins have a disagreement where they throw tablet quotations at each other to support completely opposing plans of action, and neither is portrayed as being unreasonable or deluded.

The Ventari Tablet provides a mental framework for life, but it doesn’t compel any specific action in any particular situation. The Sylvari still have to choose for themselves what to do and how to live.

The Nightmare Court may be able to make a good case for refusing to follow Ventari themselves, but I think one would be hard-pressed to defend their intention of forcing their will on others. I don’t see how they can call their plan making the Sylvari “free” when in fact they are taking away the opposing choice.

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Posted by: Rhinzual.7861

Rhinzual.7861

Ehh, the Nightmare Court is rather evil, and in my own (flimsy) theory, corrupted by Zhaitan. I mean the Nightmare poisoning the Dream, all the Risen around the starting area with the Nightmare court going unmolested, wanting to be isolated from everything else which would remove them entirely as a threat, willing to just stand by and do nothing, then there’s the first tutorial boss being in the shape of a Dragon itself.

So to me it’s basically mental corruption instead of physical corruption. The Nightmare Court members may say things differently, but it seems to be more akin to being unaware of the influence creeping into their minds. Plus, the lady who loves Caithe wants her away from Destiny’s Edge and with her, which would make it impossible for the group to cooperate long enough to bring down Big Z, again furthering his own goals.

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Posted by: Pasha.2367

Pasha.2367

Think of it this way… The Dream is like a religious cult that has brainwashed the saplings born to the Pale Tree. A religious cult is often viewed as harmful by others even when the members seem happy and may have chosen to be a part of it. While the Nightmare Court may have originally started out as an attempt to rescue those who were being brainwashed and put an end to the cult they have become corrupted by Zhaitan (as explained in the above post by Rhinzual) and become a cult themselves brainwashing their initiates in the completely opposing viewpoints. The Soundless and other Sylvari not born to the Pale Tree aren’t a part of either cult. They are the only Sylvari with true freedom. At least this is my take on things.

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Posted by: Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Think of it this way… The Dream is like a religious cult that has brainwashed the saplings born to the Pale Tree. A religious cult is often viewed as harmful by others even when the members seem happy and may have chosen to be a part of it.

That’s the whole point, though – how exactly is it like a cult?

The Sylvari still have complete personal autonomy, freedom of individual decision making, ability to interpret Ventari’s teachings (should they accept them at all) any way they see fit, and – based on the existence of the Soundless – the ability to leave entirely if they so choose.

Also, I think you’re misunderstanding the Nightmare Court’s goals. They don’t want to get rid of the Dream, they want to corrupt it. They’re trying to turn it into a Nightmare, but they still want it to exist. So I don’t really see your “rescue” angle, even if you’re assuming they’ve changed for the worse in the meantime.

You can call any belief system a “cult,” but in this case I don’t see any actual basis for the accusation from the Nightmare side; even if the Soundless could possibly make the argument that the existence of the Dream is inherently harmful, the Nightmare don’t intend to get rid of the Dream or the Pale Tree, they just want to corrupt them for their own purposes.

I just don’t see any way to twist this to make the Nightmare side the freedom-loving heroes who went astray through no fault of their own, when their whole purpose has been to reduce the autonomy and decision-making ability of their fellow Sylvari.

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Posted by: teh persun.6517

teh persun.6517

If I join the Nightmare Court, I would only fight the wardens and those that don’t want to fight. Serving the Pale Tree, I get to fight those that actually relish fighting and would break down the moment I draw my sword. Further more, I’ve yet to see any Courtiers outside the Sylvari homelands. I would rather die than have to kill the same foe over and over and over and over! Plus, the dream promised me dragons!

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Posted by: Syn Faal.5027

Syn Faal.5027

Slight necro post but I agree, I want to know how they get to choose their colors to be black and red like that. Is it just a stylistic choice ANet took without considering immersion? That seems so messy for them.

I hope to see the developers expand on Sylvari culture and factions in later expansions;

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Posted by: loneknight.8425

loneknight.8425

Short answer “Yes.”

Long answer “HELL yes!”

I have this perversion of warping the Sylvari’s idealistic/Arthurian worldview into something darker :p

The thief who did dat – Crystal Desert

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

No.

As my Sylvari (Necromancer!) put it, “The Nightmare Court make Mother sad… And anything that makes Mother sad can’t be right!”

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Posted by: Rhinzual.7861

Rhinzual.7861

No.

As my Sylvari (Necromancer!) put it, “The Nightmare Court make Mother sad… And anything that makes Mother sad can’t be right!”

That is some bizzare logic, but fitting for a relatively young race.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

No.

As my Sylvari (Necromancer!) put it, “The Nightmare Court make Mother sad… And anything that makes Mother sad can’t be right!”

That is some bizzare logic, but fitting for a relatively young race.

I roleplay my Sylvari with a very child-like mentality. Physically she may be fully grown, but she still tends to see the world through a child’s outlook, which has resulted in some amusing RP sessions.

“So I told this man in the Busted Flagon yesterday that I was a jeweler, and he asked if I wanted to see his family jewels. I said I’d love to, but before we could go back to his room, my friend Velda (she’s a Norn) walked over and grabbed him between the legs. His face went all funny, and she told him to stay away from me. When I said that he was just going to show me his family jewels, she said, “Trust me, they weren’t great specimens.” I’m still not sure what all that was about, but Velda said she’d explain some other time."

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Posted by: Manticore Five.9867

Manticore Five.9867

Not really.

Nightmare court acts like they’re rebels from an overmind, but like most rebels they just want to replace the control scheme with their own, more tyrannical one.

Joining the soundless and taking mercenary contracts from the Pale Tree? I’d go with that. She wants my help, she can pay for it, not place a gaes on me that burns everytime I go do a jumping puzzle instead of warring de dragonz 24/7.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

She wants my help, she can pay for it, not place a gaes on me that burns everytime I go do a jumping puzzle instead of warring de dragonz 24/7.

That would make bringing home potential partners to “meet the parent” rather awkward. XD

“Mother, I’d like you to meet James. Yes, I know he’s human, but you just need to get to know him! No, Mother, I love him and I will not stop dating him! You’re not the boss of my life! OwowOW! It burns! IT BURNS!”

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Posted by: Pinder.5261

Pinder.5261

The Pale Tree burns her children who wander astray?

My friends, you have a perverse vision of your mother tree.

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Posted by: cargan.5689

cargan.5689

The Pale Tree burns her children who wander astray?

My friends, you have a perverse vision of your mother tree.

Nah seems pretty normal,

" you do this to your mother after i carry you for 9 month and the pain 2 days in labor i was and what do i get, you stab me in the heart i should go away and die this is the respect my children give me"

The guilt the guilt it burns Ok mom ill do my homework.

On topic first quest i got to dress as a nightmare court it was like ok i look so cool where do i join up

Ulfar SOR

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Posted by: Parsee Komeiji.2049

Parsee Komeiji.2049

“All things have a right to grow … except the Nightmare Court.”
I thought of this almost immediately, too.

I see both the Dream and the Nightmare as forces for control and subjugation. Then again, I’m naturally Chaotic. (No one is quite sure on my Good-Evil alignment…)

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Posted by: Akiko.2364

Akiko.2364

Wonder where the Sylvari pirates fall. they dont seem to support the nightmare. and are definitly not following the dream. are they soundless?

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Posted by: Peccavi.2978

Peccavi.2978

I would like more of a choice in the game, I feel like i m forced to be good and I am a thief, one reason I went with the order of whispers in my story line. they are more grey.

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Posted by: Tinni.4351

Tinni.4351

No I don’t. I have no wish to engage in depraved and degrading acts or bring pain and suffering on myself or inflict them on others. Besides which, joining the Nightmare court isn’t “freedom”. You just abandon the teaching of Ventari for the teaching of Grand Duchess Faolin and do as SHE bids. You are more a “slave” in the Nightmare court then you are as a Sylvari of the Grove.

Besides, forget the Soundless, who cut themselves off from the dream but I never got the impress they had abandoned Ventari’s teaching, what about all the Sylvari Pirates? Clearly they aren’t exactly following Ventari’s teachings either. So clearly, if you don’t want to be good and stuff, you are free to walk away and do whatever you want. You don’t HAVE to join the Nightmare Court to not follow Ventari’s Teaching. I would argue that you are more free as a “Dreamer” then a member of the Nightmare Court.

Basically, as a Sylvari your choices are,

1. Follow Ventari and remain connected to the dream – Sylvari of the Grove

2. Cut yourself off from the dream but still follow Ventari’s teaching – Soundless

3. Cut yourself off from the dream and stop following Ventari’s teaching – Soundless Pirate!

4. Keep yourself connected to the dream but stop following Ventari’s teaching – Pirates!

5. Keep yourself connected to the dream and not only stop following Ventari’s teaching but engage in acts of vile deprivation and evil in an attempt to corrupt the pale tree and turn the dream into Nightmare – Member of the Nightmare court and become subject to the hierarchical nature of the Nightmare court

What people forget that those title “Knight”, “Courtier” etc are not just quint things done for fun but an actual hierarchy followed by the members of the court. The Grove has no equivalent of this. A most you have the reverence for the Firstborn but that’s more “respect your elders” as opposed to an actual hierarchy.

My brain is shagging under the weight of changes… having six characters was not a good idea!

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Posted by: Rin Shian.1932

Rin Shian.1932

The last thing the members of the nightmare court probably are is being free. Once they join, they have no choice anymore, are unable to leave and they are bound to do anything to spread their ideals by any means available. They get stuck into a rigid structure and can’t simply decide to act differently.

If a Sylvari want to be trully free they have to stay with the Grove-side of life. Be it either with a dream or as a soundless. Since those can happily decide on how they want to live, if they want to follow the teachings or if they want to spend whole days discussing the implications of the ideals of the tablet compared with the harsh realities of the world. Or they can just decide to follow a completly different life even to the point of trying to get away from the dream.

The Sylvari are not ‘programmed’ by the teachings of the tablet or ‘corrupted’ (of course who knows that the devs will reveal later on) by it as they freely choose the degree of how much they follow them or if they follow them at all (I suspect Caithe not being one who put that much weight into the tablets teachings but I am sure she recogniezes the ideal those teachings would represent).

The Naightmare Court on the other hand is totally bound by it’s opposition to the tablet and twisted beyond anything that could be considered reasonable. They go way away from simply being against it or wanting to ‘free the Sylvari’ from it. They want to press their ideology on the others against their will and – to put it simply – remove the Sylvari ability to freely choose their individual way of life.

Joining the Court would however be a very intereting thing from a Role Play perspective (and there are Nightmare RP guilds around that do just that) but since there is no way out of it and they havve this outright crazy-torturer-serial-killer kind of mentality it would be difficult to get them tied into a game (outside RP game-mechanics and setting) where the setting it that the world of Tyria needs to unity against a overwhelming common foe.

Making the Court playable would also require to give the same attention to the other ‘opposite-groups’ of the other races. It woudl also need to have them changed to allow the players more freedom in acting (and the Sons of Svanir would need to get some daughters and stop following a dragaon .. what of course would make the gorup implode and remove the reasons for it’s existance). It might be more possible with the Inquest or the bandits since those can decide on their degree of evilness.

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Posted by: Riot Inducer.8964

Riot Inducer.8964

You know, if you think about it the very existence of the nightmare court disproves the nightmare court’s assertion that Ventari’s teachings are corrupting and brainwashing. If it really was a corrupting control scheme Faolain and the second born founders of the court would’ve been killed outright by the tree or other Sylvari rather than let them successfully “rebel”.

The fact that the soundless exist further proves the court’s ideals are full of crap, being that they left the tree’s influence peacefully. Then there’s the whole issue of sylvari pirates who most certainly don’t hold true to a fair number of Ventari’s teachings but also aren’t crazed courtiers.

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Posted by: Dahern.6728

Dahern.6728

Just going a bit apart.

I think that the pale tree is one of the champions of the sixth dragon.
Remember 6 gods >>> 6 dragons
We know five dragons and the 6th is still unknown.

But there is more than one mother tree.
Sylvaris resist dragons corruption may be because there are part of a dragon themselves. He’s still sleeping may be.
May be like Brill, Mother tree has chosen a different path the one she was meant to follow.

By myself, no I’m totally Lawful good
I can’t follow Faolain and her twisted court.
I really like sylvaris stories but I hope for more
More cultural story, more cultural armors and weapons.
I would love to craft myself my cultural stuff.
And this, if u are from nightmare or dream

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Posted by: Akiko.2364

Akiko.2364

Another point is who actually controls the dream? what is it’s source?

several times the pale tree says she is not in control of the dream and is mearly the caretaker… so where is it coming from? … the 6th Dragon as some have mentioned? … or maybe one of the still absent gods?

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Posted by: Riot Inducer.8964

Riot Inducer.8964

Another point is who actually controls the dream? what is it’s source?

several times the pale tree says she is not in control of the dream and is mearly the caretaker… so where is it coming from? … the 6th Dragon as some have mentioned? … or maybe one of the still absent gods?

It could also be just a collective pool of knowledge that the pale tree maintains for use by her future children. Sort of like a sylvari wikipedia, the pale tree just keeps the servers running.

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Posted by: Grim.1376

Grim.1376

I still hold out hope that we will get to join some version of the Nightmare in the future.

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Posted by: ikumarbeh.9182

ikumarbeh.9182

Im not satisfied with the Sylvary story experience at all, as far as making choices is concerned. I feel likewise for all the races, but I`m most frustrated about the Sylvary.

Both Sylvary factions – Ventari and Nightmare – have their viewpoints.

Both viewpoints regard belief systems, alien mindsets, that demand devotion to “higher”, more perfect ideals. Caithe even admits, that Ventari beliefs are “sacred” and as such, they are a burden that every sapling should bear (much like the “original sin” motive). This suggests that the sapling (which is ME, because the character is MY digital incarnation) is not sufficient by its own self, and needs to adopt a higher alien ideal – to become a tool for a “higher”, “sacred”, more “adequate” value, because its own ego is not of high enough value to be followed.

Which is contradictory, because Sylvary, as far as I uderstand it, are ment to find their proper place in the world – that is, to discover their true interests outside the Dream and develop as egos.

The Avatar of the Mother Tree herself says to Caithe, that “You must not question the Dream, but fulfil your part”. This is a sure mark of a relygious system, based on oppresion. A system, which does not care for the sapling as an ego, as a personality, but the sapling has value ONLY by its being a useful subject, a useful SERVANT of the Ventari belief system and the Dream.

Where is the difference between the Ventary and the Court?

Caithe on the other hand, in her role as a representative of the Ventary authority and interests, reveales herself as a pure hypocrit – thats when she killed the tricked Court member that reveales the White Stag location in the personal story line. And she does that by virtue of all her beliefs – that is, her deeds are completely justified according to the powers she represents.

So its like the player already IS a part of the Court, because both sides are one and the same. Thing is, the developer could`ve at least give me a choice – in the game lore`s sake, Because Sylvary after all aim at discovering THEMSELVES, and not the Pale Tree, or The Dream, or Ventari, or the Court.

In the other races` story lines the self-interest streak is present in minimal deree, but is totaly MISSING at the Sylvary. And as far as role-playing is concerned, I feel kinda sory i chose a Sylvary for my char -.-

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Posted by: Meowwilson.5106

Meowwilson.5106

I thought it would be great to join the nightmare court. But every time i tried.. they pushed me away, tried to kill me… and denied any moves i made toward them.. Then i finally got to Twilight Arbor with Caithe. The 3 paths… the nightmare court thought that if they got smushed by a tree they would take over all of tyria.. only to be stopped by 6 people. after that i just decided nightmare court was too lame and moved on to bigger better things -like dragons.

My second sylvari though, she is just insane.. Just runs around exploring everything.. just .. lighting lighting it all on fire with her flame thrower. not even sure the nightmare court would even want her. specially after what she has done to some of their camps.

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Posted by: Lis.6475

Lis.6475

I like the idea of Ventari’s tablets but I’ll also like to be able to choose the path I wander instead of being forced fed someone else’s ideas. Sure, the nightmare court may commit “evil” acts but their ultimate goal seams to to be free. I also like to do as I wish but not commit to some “evil” cult so I made my sylvari (in my own little fantasy version of tyria) a soundless one.

Also she’s a cannibal. : )

What? No one thought sylvari sap actually may taste good?