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Posted by: Fateless.7146

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To start off, I don’t believe that every Sylvari is a dragon minion, that’s ridiculous for so many reasons. However, i have come to think that although they are immune to most dragon magic they are susceptible to mordremoth’s and that it corrupts their minds and replaces the dream with the nightmare.

Sorry if this has been posted before, checked a couple pages and didn’t notice it

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

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It’s possible. Mordremoth may have found a way around sylvari immunity to dragon corruption by opting to corrupt the source of the sylvari instead. Like poisoning the water supply of an enemy that you can’t get to.

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

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Or the other way round, the pale tree was ment to produce dragon minions but ventaris tablet prevents it. So silvary bear the evil seed of the dragon but the pale tree got altered and changed by the existence of the tablet and so are her children.

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Posted by: Fateless.7146

Fateless.7146

Or the other way round, the pale tree was ment to produce dragon minions but ventaris tablet prevents it. So silvary bear the evil seed of the dragon but the pale tree got altered and changed by the existence of the tablet and so are her children.

From what I know of it ventari’s tablet is not a magical object, right? Simply the record of ventari’s life. I sees no reason for simple writing to have such corruptive quality. Plus there is the look of nightmare hounds compared to sylvan hounds, the same kind of corruption seems to affect them.

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Posted by: Pirlipat.2479

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What I mean is that the nightmare and the dream are two sides of the same medal. Silvary have the choice between beeing good and bad. But the real evil is falling apart from the connection of all Silvary entirely be it nightmare or dream, because that turns them into “minions” (beeings that have no free will). The soundless only don’t “hear” the connection anymore but it is still there somehow.

So the dream can be twisted and turned into something bad but in the end it shields the Silvary from something that would break their free will.

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Posted by: Facepunch.5710

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A problem is that the nightmare court don’t behave like minions. They fight even amongst themselves for power, e.g. TA explorable. If they were corrupted and bent to Mordy’ s will, why would they backstab each other?

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Posted by: Celestina.2894

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A problem is that the nightmare court don’t behave like minions. They fight even amongst themselves for power, e.g. TA explorable. If they were corrupted and bent to Mordy’ s will, why would they backstab each other?

One possibility is that until Mordemoth exerts full control, the Nightmare Court still operates as individuals. I base this entirely on the Son of Svanir that sells you corrupted weapon recipes after the defeat of Jormag’s Claw due to him understanding the error of his ways. This shows that, at least with the sons of svanir, they DO retain their free will at least until they are fully corrupted. It’s possible the Nightmare Court is a similar way.

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

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Saying that the nightmare court are not fully corrupted until they’re fully corrupted is tautologous.

It is difficult to reconcile the behaviour of the court with corruption – mainly because or their avowed aims, which include killing dragons. This could, in theory, be a clever ruse on the part of the court, or the court could themselves be deceived. However, I wonder how the nightmare court could be secretly influenced by Mordremoth, and the Pale Tree not know about it. Even other Sylvari should become aware of it, via the dream. Yes, you could argue that the nightmare court have no idea, even subconsciously, that they have fallen under the spell of a dragon.

This poses several problems – if they are dragon minions but the dragon has no influence yet, why then, do they behave evilly? If the court can be dragon minions without knowing it, could anyone be a secret dragon minion? Queen Jenna? Logan? The Player?

The theory essentially paints Mordremoth’s corruption of the court (and/or the Sylvari and/or the Pale Tree) as an invisible pink unicorn , i.e. something that exists without any possibility of proof.

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Posted by: Fateless.7146

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It is difficult to reconcile the behaviour of the court with corruption – mainly because or their avowed aims, which include killing dragons. This could, in theory, be a clever ruse on the part of the court, or the court could themselves be deceived. However, I wonder how the nightmare court could be secretly influenced by Mordremoth, and the Pale Tree not know about it. Even other Sylvari should become aware of it, via the dream. Yes, you could argue that the nightmare court have no idea, even subconsciously, that they have fallen under the spell of a dragon.

Could Mordremoth have some reason to want the other dragons dead though? i.e. more magic to hoard to himself rather than the split they currently have.

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Posted by: Jenstone.6891

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Isn’t that the idea? Why share when the possibility of having it all exists? The eternal concept of not enough magic (power) is what typically drives good things bad and bad things evil. There can never be enough magic, there will always be the desire to have more…

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

Wanderer.3248

It’s still an Invisible Pink Unicorn. And Bad Writing to boot.

I mean, for all we know the Three Orders could be secret and unwitting agents of the Forgotten. This, and any number of undisprovable theories, would make about as much sense and would be no less cringeworthy than having the court as secret dragon minion agents.

To be frank, anything that sounds like a conspiracy theory makes for a bad plot.

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Posted by: FlamingFoxx.1305

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It’s still an Invisible Pink Unicorn. And Bad Writing to boot.

I mean, for all we know the Three Orders could be secret and unwitting agents of the Forgotten. This, and any number of undisprovable theories, would make about as much sense and would be no less cringeworthy than having the court as secret dragon minion agents.

To be frank, anything that sounds like a conspiracy theory makes for a bad plot.

You know the Forgotten are good guys right? So that wouldn’t be the worst thing ever (though I totally understand the point you are making and am just being silly)

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Posted by: Vylden.8526

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I haven’t seen anywhere that the sylvari or nightmare court are anything to do with the dragons. The nightmare count were essentially created when one of the second born didn’t like the ventari tablet. Just makes me think of a grumpy teen not liking his mums house rules.
There may be sylvari in season 2 that are dragon minions though, as if we get access to magus falls we will most likely find the second sylvari tree. There isn’t any clues yet as to what those sylvari are like. They would not have had the ventari tablet though.

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Posted by: FlamingFoxx.1305

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The Sylvari are immune to dragon corruption – so you don’t be seeing them as minions. IF they were to be minions, the corruption would have to be completely different to present dragon corruption – which can be both mind (Jormag) and body (all the others). So I don’t see how it would work.