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Nah. The Dream is the source of their progress. It substitutes for initial schooling but it is also limited by the info of current advancement that the sylvari experience from the other races. The knowlege it provides is fractured and incomplete to the point that the sylvari still need schooling after they ‘ripen’.
lol no.
First of all, sylvari doesn’t use "technology". At all. Thus, don’t advence in that. Scarlet is an exception and does not represent an entire race, she is an outcast anyway.
Plus, if you would have read the lore you can find ingame including conversations, one liners, the way sylvari live their lives in general, it’s all about peace and harmony with their enviroment and other races.
@SaltyDave
where did you get the idea that sylvari do not use technology at all?
if anything, their natural curiosity makes them excellent scientist or engineer material. Scarlett is only an exception in the sense of who she studied under and what she was allowed to learn because of it.
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Technology doesn’t mean computer chips and laser beams. It just means an applied knowledge. A spoon is technology. So is a chair.
lol no.
First of all, sylvari doesn’t use “technology”. At all. Thus, don’t advence in that. Scarlet is an exception and does not represent an entire race, she is an outcast anyway.
Plus, if you would have read the lore you can find ingame including conversations, one liners, the way sylvari live their lives in general, it’s all about peace and harmony with their enviroment and other races.
Kahedins designed the mortar seed turrets. That would imply that they are an invention and thus technology, even if they are not “conventional.”
As for the peaceful nature of the Sylvari – it is at risk. As the Nightmare Court corrupt the Dream, the Sylvari race slowly drifts off further into become a potential threat to the other races. It is possible, after all, that they are dragon minions of the jungle dragon (Mordremoth) and their good nature is merely the result of the Pale Tree being influenced by Ventari’s teachings.
It is possible, after all, that they are dragon minions of the jungle dragon (Mordremoth) and their good nature is merely the result of the Pale Tree being influenced by Ventari’s teachings.
Really, no. Play the “Where life goes, so too, should you.” personal story.
There are other pale trees and the Sylvari from there wish to fight the elder dragons too. Even without the influence of the tablet.
It is possible, after all, that they are dragon minions of the jungle dragon (Mordremoth) and their good nature is merely the result of the Pale Tree being influenced by Ventari’s teachings.
Really, no. Play the “Where life goes, so too, should you.” personal story.
There are other pale trees and the Sylvari from there wish to fight the elder dragons too. Even without the influence of the tablet.
We’ve seen one Sylvari from one other tree, who, might I add, was isolated from his tree and influenced by the kindness of the wardens – who were then attacked by the Nightmare Court (which, if the theory that Sylvari are dragon minions is correct, would give him all the more reason to want to fight the elder dragons).
We’ve also (correct me if I’m wrong) never seen him again after he went to search for his kin. This would imply that he is either still searching or has met with an ugly fate – possibly even at the hands of his brothers.
As far as I’m concerned, that still leaves the distinct possibility that the pale trees are dragon champions. Dragon champions, after all, tend to often be identical (as was the case with the various Tequatl clones) and be capable of intelligent though. Glint also creates a precedent for dragon minions turning against their masters (the difference being that Glint was freed through magic, whereas the Pale Tree, if she is a dragon champion, was never subjugated in the first place).
what I think most races should be more concerned with is the population grown rate.
In 20 years, Sylvari went from 12, to a major race on par with the others…. if they were to keep that curve going for another 20 they would have a higher population than all the other races combined.
It is possible, after all, that they are dragon minions of the jungle dragon (Mordremoth) and their good nature is merely the result of the Pale Tree being influenced by Ventari’s teachings.
Really, no. Play the “Where life goes, so too, should you.” personal story.
There are other pale trees and the Sylvari from there wish to fight the elder dragons too. Even without the influence of the tablet.
We’ve seen one Sylvari from one other tree, who, might I add, was isolated from his tree and influenced by the kindness of the wardens – who were then attacked by the Nightmare Court (which, if the theory that Sylvari are dragon minions is correct, would give him all the more reason to want to fight the elder dragons).
We’ve also (correct me if I’m wrong) never seen him again after he went to search for his kin. This would imply that he is either still searching or has met with an ugly fate – possibly even at the hands of his brothers.
As far as I’m concerned, that still leaves the distinct possibility that the pale trees are dragon champions. Dragon champions, after all, tend to often be identical (as was the case with the various Tequatl clones) and be capable of intelligent though. Glint also creates a precedent for dragon minions turning against their masters (the difference being that Glint was freed through magic, whereas the Pale Tree, if she is a dragon champion, was never subjugated in the first place).
You’re making a couple of errors. Glint was originally free and was then corrupted, and subsequently freed again. Any dragon champion who has always been a champion is one created specifically by the dragon and it is pretty obvious that they are so.
You’re forgetting one really prime piece of information as well, dragon champions are ALL draconic. Even the great destroyer had a dragon shaped body and wings. The pale tree is a tree. Then there’s the fact that dragons and their champions don’t simply magic up minions out of thin air, destroyers are made from lava and stone, jormag’s minions from ice or corrupted living creatures. The Pale tree produces Sylvari in the same way a normal tree produces fruit. It’s very different.
The pale tree is not a dragon champion, the Sylvari are not minions. It’s the most ridiculous theory ever that came out of one person misinterpreting one tiny little bit of information.
It is possible, after all, that they are dragon minions of the jungle dragon (Mordremoth) and their good nature is merely the result of the Pale Tree being influenced by Ventari’s teachings.
Really, no. Play the “Where life goes, so too, should you.” personal story.
There are other pale trees and the Sylvari from there wish to fight the elder dragons too. Even without the influence of the tablet.
We’ve seen one Sylvari from one other tree, who, might I add, was isolated from his tree and influenced by the kindness of the wardens – who were then attacked by the Nightmare Court (which, if the theory that Sylvari are dragon minions is correct, would give him all the more reason to want to fight the elder dragons).
We’ve also (correct me if I’m wrong) never seen him again after he went to search for his kin. This would imply that he is either still searching or has met with an ugly fate – possibly even at the hands of his brothers.
As far as I’m concerned, that still leaves the distinct possibility that the pale trees are dragon champions. Dragon champions, after all, tend to often be identical (as was the case with the various Tequatl clones) and be capable of intelligent though. Glint also creates a precedent for dragon minions turning against their masters (the difference being that Glint was freed through magic, whereas the Pale Tree, if she is a dragon champion, was never subjugated in the first place).
You’re making a couple of errors. Glint was originally free and was then corrupted, and subsequently freed again. Any dragon champion who has always been a champion is one created specifically by the dragon and it is pretty obvious that they are so.
You’re forgetting one really prime piece of information as well, dragon champions are ALL draconic. Even the great destroyer had a dragon shaped body and wings. The pale tree is a tree. Then there’s the fact that dragons and their champions don’t simply magic up minions out of thin air, destroyers are made from lava and stone, jormag’s minions from ice or corrupted living creatures. The Pale tree produces Sylvari in the same way a normal tree produces fruit. It’s very different.
The pale tree is not a dragon champion, the Sylvari are not minions. It’s the most ridiculous theory ever that came out of one person misinterpreting one tiny little bit of information.
To address the point on Glint, I was not forgetting or neglecting that piece of information – I just don’t find it relevant. So what if champions can be made or corrupted. There is nothing to suggest that they can’t be freed in either scenario.
Your second bit of information is simply wrong. No, not all dragon champions are draconic.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dragonspawn
Appeared in destiny’s edge. It’s description in the novel (and on the wiki) does not hint at a draconic appearance.
There was also the Nornbear (Svanir) from GW:EotN
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Herboza_the_Wretched
Herboza the Wretched, a corrupted explorer, was also referred to as a champion.
The Eye of Zhaitan and the Mouth of Zhaitan are also referred to as dragon champions.
The list goes on, but I think I’ve made my point.
Not to mention that the very argument you made about the way minions are produced can also be used can be refuted or even twisted to support the theory that Sylvari are converted dragon minions. Each dragon produces them differently. So far, only Zhaitan, Kralkattorik, and Jormag are shown to actually corrupt things as a primary mode of production. Primordious produces them (and if the Skritt storyline is to be believed) can also corrupt them. We have no idea how Mordremoth or “Bubbles” produce minions.
A group of virtually identical seeds in a region known to have an elder dragon sounds suspiciously like a dragon champion – especially because the trees produced by said seeds both produce and have some measure of hive-minded influence over their spawn. What is the main purpose of your typical champion? Oh, right. Dragon champions act as the minds of their dragon’s military. They are generals, first and foremost, and the Pale Tree seems to be perfectly capable of that.
The theory, unless there are better refutations than those, still stands as a distinct possibility. It might be right. It might not. But it’s far from ridiculous.
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Edge of Destiny was written by a writer from outside of Arenanet and whilst the novels have been checked there have been inconsistencies with the lore found in the novels vs. the lore found in game.
The dream is not a hive mind… The Pale Tree cannot force the Sylvari to do anything >.>
Lets also look at how mindless all previous dragon minions have proven to be. They may be intelligent but their goals and actions always head in one direction towards a single purpose.
I’m not going to continue with this, if you want to believe something so ridiculous as the pale tree being a dragon champion then go ahead. Nevermind the fact that this would make all Sylvari evil aides of an Elder Dragon… You could argue that the Pale Tree as a champion could be uncorrupted, but in your scenario the Sylvari are akin to a Destroyer in that they are MADE by the “champion” rather than being a previously living being – we know that you can’t uncorrupt a minion, you just kill them. So it wouldn’t make any sense given that we know the Sylvari to be good and given that it would make for the worst plot line ever if thye suddenly turned around and said, you know what, everyone who made a Sylvari is now evil.
Then there’s the fact that the Pale Tree is working to REMOVE the dragons from Tyria and that a ton of Sylvari have gotten Wylde Hunt’s from the dream to kill Zhaitain – including Trahearne who ends up leading the war effort against dragons -_-
After reading posts on this topic, I think of an upcoming twist in GW2 lore.(I am new to GW2 lore and is not familiar with GW1)
What if the Jungle Dragon is the ‘good dragon’?[like Glint]What if the final dragon is working against the other elder dragons and support life on Tyria? Pale Tree may be essentially a champion of Mordremoth and “he” is just setting up premises for his battle against the antagonist Elder Dragons. And therefore the Jungle Dragon’s supposed to be minions, “sylvari”, are good.After all it is a First Born Sylvari ,the Marshal of Pact Forces.Many other syvlari hold strategic offices in Tyria’s top orders and organizations,fighting against Dragon minions. For example, Caithe who was instrumental in forming Destiny’s Edge and Laranthir ,Vigil Second-in-command.
Earth is the one of the basic elements, but jungle is just thriving wild life(flora and fauna).Why did they name it Jungle Dragon when they could have named it Earth Dragon,if destruction was to be it’s sole purpose.That itself may imply that Jungle Dragon is a symbol of life and supports life. Mordremoth may be the "light dragon and the rest five the “dark dragons”.
Also most of the sylvari wyld hunts are to protect life,they might have got the inspiration from their overlord “The Jungle Dragon” but they just don’t know it yet.It is like fate have decided them to be the guardians of life on Tyria.
It is said in the lore that the last time Elder Dragons woke up they destroyed every life on the planet and then went back to slumber.What if the last dragon to sleep was the Jungle Dragon and before he slept ,he sowed the seeds of life back on the planet.Only this time he chose to defend what he have created and so decided to make his own minions, sentinel creatures “the sylvari”,connected to a collective mind-a champion so powerful even capable of premonitions ,“the Pale Tree”?
And about the Nightmare Court, there are perverted minds all along history and that is all they are, they just got the message wrong.
How about that ? :P
Gandara
The problem with that is that Glint was only “good” because she existed BEFORE she was corrupted and then the corruption was eventually removed from her by the Forgotten (Serpent like race from GW1). The Dragons are the source of corruption, rather than corrupted beings themselves, which would sort of suggest that they don’t have the capacity for good.
Also it’s worth pointing out that it has been named the Jungle Dragon by players. There has been no official confirmation of it’s name or titles. Also given that the most likely location of Mordremoth is the Maguuma Wastes – I would hazard a guess that he isn’t conducive to growth. The Maguuma Wastes was a thriving ancient Jungle in GW1, we can’t go there in GW2 yet but from the map it seems as though the entire area has been dried out – sort of like the top corner of Brisban Wildlands.
The Sylvari Wyld hunts are more likely to have been influenced by Ventari’s tablet and it’s teachings, since you can generally follow a Wyld Hunt as coming from one of his teachings.
Of course you could be absolutely right, I just think it would be kind of weird for them to give us an Elder Dragon as an ally – it would downplay the importance of the player character’s actions even more than they have been already.