Guild Wars 2

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, is does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preservers. Love never fails.

Love is an abstract concept.

I’m sorry I was feeding the trolls a bit by posting nothing but that block of text. I suppose I figured I’d get those sort of comments any which way and I just wanted to get them out of the way before moving on to talk about Caithe, which is what this topic is really about.

Those who know Caithe’s story know that she is in danger of falling into nightmare and the reasons why revolve around love. The thing is though is that everything that the nightmare is about is the exact opposite of what love is about. The reason that I want to tell these words to Caithe is that I want her to realize that. I want to tell her that I love her, and to never fall into nightmare, because love is about never giving up hope.

The story of Caithe is an interesting one and how it will end is yet to be seen, but for now… What do you think? Do you think Caithe will eventually fall and join the Nightmare Court? Do you want her too, or do you, like me, hope that she never gives up hope?

you are probably not going to like me much :P
I have never liked or trusted Caithe and most of my characters are Sylvari.

In the personal story where you give your word to let one of the Court live if they give you info- she just turns right around and kills it, breaking my word without a by your leave- I wanted to give her one upside the head.

She has always struck me as rather mean and unfeeling and untrustworthy.
It makes me very uncomfortable that she is a firstborn that most Sylvari look up to

Add the recent Living Story into the mix and- yes- I don’t trust her at all.
I wouldn’t be surprised ar all if she is a lot darker than we are led to believe.
So what I most would like to say to her – is stay the heck away form me and mine, or else

Morrigan.2809:

you are probably not going to like me much :P
I have never liked or trusted Caithe and most of my characters are Sylvari.

In the personal story where you give your word to let one of the Court live if they give you info- she just turns right around and kills it, breaking my word without a by your leave- I wanted to give her one upside the head.

She has always struck me as rather mean and unfeeling and untrustworthy.
It makes me very uncomfortable that she is a firstborn that most Sylvari look up to

Add the recent Living Story into the mix and- yes- I don’t trust her at all.
I wouldn’t be surprised ar all if she is a lot darker than we are led to believe.
So what I most would like to say to her – is stay the heck away form me and mine, or else

The reason she seems so dark and untrustworthy is because she was touched by Faolain, and while it is never stated I’m pretty sure that her body is slowly being taken over by Nightmare – a fact which she is trying very hard to conceal. (The Aetherpath possible touches on this a little as well, Caithe is trying to stop Scarlet from revealing information about her).

Why is that important? Because a Sylvari cannot be returned from Nightmare, so I guess the idea is that Caithe has been touched by nightmare and cannot be cured.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Morrigan.2809:

you are probably not going to like me much :P
I have never liked or trusted Caithe and most of my characters are Sylvari.

In the personal story where you give your word to let one of the Court live if they give you info- she just turns right around and kills it, breaking my word without a by your leave- I wanted to give her one upside the head.

She has always struck me as rather mean and unfeeling and untrustworthy.
It makes me very uncomfortable that she is a firstborn that most Sylvari look up to

Add the recent Living Story into the mix and- yes- I don’t trust her at all.
I wouldn’t be surprised ar all if she is a lot darker than we are led to believe.
So what I most would like to say to her – is stay the heck away form me and mine, or else

The reason she seems so dark and untrustworthy is because she was touched by Faolain, and while it is never stated I’m pretty sure that her body is slowly being taken over by Nightmare – a fact which she is trying very hard to conceal. (The Aetherpath possible touches on this a little as well, Caithe is trying to stop Scarlet from revealing information about her).

Why is that important? Because a Sylvari cannot be returned from Nightmare, so I guess the idea is that Caithe has been touched by nightmare and cannot be cured.

I realize this
that is even more reason for me not to trust her though- as I said I have no sympathy for her.
I don’t want to tell her that I love her or some such- I want as little to do with her as possible

Trahearne on the other hand, I do trust, I have a lot of time for him

Trahearne is dead inside… But yes I trust him xD.
I trust Caithe as well, but she has some serious issues and I’d rather keep my distance >.>

One thing I have noticed is that Caithe’s story is very melodramatic at times. There is a certain polarization of good and evil, and as you said, Caithe has issues. Faolain acts as the central dark/antagonistic/evil character but I haven’t seen much of a light/protagonistic/good character to foil and balance Faolain. Caithe does have Destiny’s Edge, but she isn’t all that good at sharing herself with them. I know it is quite fantastical to think I could do such, but I have wanted to step into Guild Wars and be apart of Caithe’s story. I know she has a certain darkness about her (night cycle, not afraid to gaze into the darkness). And for those who have read the book: if the hand shaped poison scar over her heart has anything to say about it she is most certainly touched by nightmare. This sort of story is not for everyone but as for me: I want to be a light in her life. I guess I am just a dreamer like that.

Caithe is also the one the said the thing to Cadeyrn that finally made him snap and go make the Nightmare Court. She told him that “you are either Firstborn, or you are simply Sylvari” when he was trying to speak to the Pale Tree about whether or not Ventari’s Tablet was a necessity to the Sylvari as a whole. To quote the thing:

“Have we not already lost ourselves, Mother? We are not centaurs or humans. Let me destroy the tablet, and we will see what it truly means to be sylvari.” There was no answer. As dawn rose and bathed the clearing in gold, Cadeyrn realized that the tree would say no more.

“She will not hear you.” The quiet voice was feminine, but it was not the tree who spoke. Spinning, Cadeyrn readied himself for battle but froze when he saw Caithe, cold and still, standing in the last shadows of night. “She will not hear you,” Caithe repeated.

“I am the first of my generation—” he began, raising his voice in argument.

Caithe shrugged and interrupted, “Why should she care? She has thousands of children now, Cadeyrn. You are either firstborn…or you are simply sylvari.”

A storm gathered upon his features. “I will never be one among many, Caithe. Not even to the Pale Tree,” he vowed, storming away. “I will make you hear me, Mother, like it or not. When I am finished and you are free at last, then I will be first in your heart!”

Caithe lingered in silence and watched him go.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dream_and_Nightmare

You know it’s odd when you read those bits on the wiki, they shed The Nightmare Court in a whole new light and the Pale Tree in quite a different one. Not such a loving mother but more of one that plays favorites and doesn’t have all the answers. It’s to note if you go to the link and read all the way through that The Pale Tree stops talking at one point because she doesn’t know how to answer Cadeyrn.

The funniest part of that is when you do TA Story and not only has Cadeyrn relinquished leadership of the Nightmare Court to Faolain, but he behaves like a totally loyal and obedient servant towards her. It clashed quite a bit with the image I had of him after reading his short story.

Zaxares.5419:

The funniest part of that is when you do TA Story and not only has Cadeyrn relinquished leadership of the Nightmare Court to Faolain, but he behaves like a totally loyal and obedient servant towards her. It clashed quite a bit with the image I had of him after reading his short story.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, especially seeing his disdain for the firstborn in the story.

And Faolain’s comment as the fight starts:

“Cadeyrn! Seek your revenge against the firstborn!” (Yeah, you’re a firstborn too..)

(I guess nightmare also follows the Dark Side Will Make You Forget rule.)

I’ve actually been working on a fan fic idea about my main, a sylvari thief name Renee, who has a crush on Caithe. One of the important moments is centered on that particular phase.

Renee sat outside in the dark night looking at Caithe through a window. She had dreamed of Caithe and knew of her darkness. She could see Caithe, but wondered if Caithe would see her. It was Caithe herself who had said, “You are either firstborn, or you are Sylvari.”

The fact that Faolain is also a firstborn only makes the moment more dramatic.

Shadeofgrey.3065:

I’ve actually been working on a fan fic idea about my main, a sylvari thief name Renee, who has a crush on Caithe. One of the important moments is centered on that particular phase.

Renee sat outside in the dark night looking at Caithe through a window. She had dreamed of Caithe and knew of her darkness. She could see Caithe, but wondered if Caithe would see her. It was Caithe herself who had said, “You are either firstborn, or you are Sylvari.”

The fact that Faolain is also a firstborn only makes the moment more dramatic.

I knew my Sylvari wasn’t the only PC who has ever had a crush on Caithe.

The only problem is that my Dusk bloom Sylvari is a dude, so when he found out that his crush was a lesbian, the relationship just stayed at puppy-love status.

Oddly enough, he did get this really intimate letter from Caithe. Take a look at the attached screenshot and read the letter very, very carefully. The first three sentences in this letter sound an awful lot like a secret love letter.

BTW, are you planning to post your fanfic on Fanfiction.net? I would love to read it!