Guild Wars 2

Before I delve into why Tequatl and Blackgate ruined gaming for me, let me give you a little background about myself. I grew up gaming casually. My husband introduced me to the wonderful (although less wonderful in the last 48 hours) world of MMOs. My first was Guild Wars 1, mainly because of the free to play option – I’m uber cheap. At launch, I loved Guild Wars 2 so much I quickly became quite addicted and what I will classify as semi-hardcore. I spend at least 30 hours a week in game (probably more but that just sounds sad and pathetic). My GW1 guild that transitioned over to GW2 no longer fit my play style. So, I sought change. I made the jump to an up-and-coming server, Kaineng. It was exciting. We were dominating in WvW and quickly rose in ranks to the top of tier 2. I found a great guild and learned a lot about the game and alternate professions. However, that’s as good as it got. When it became apparent that Kaineng would never be tier 1, people bailed by the hundreds. What was left in their wake was a frustrated, discouraged and angry populace.

Fast forward to Tequatl. My server can’t do it. Not even close. It’s an exercise in futility trying to get people to listen to instructions and participate in a meaningful way. There is mostly just angry arguing back and forth about how everyone sucks for this and that reason. Blah blah blah.

On Thursday I got lucky, I was thrown into an overflow that was hosted by Blackgate. I got as many of my guild mates as possible in with me so they too could experience the amazing bright and happy place known as Blackgate. BG welcomed us lowly peasants with open arms to join them on their TeamSpeak. The commanders were organized, informative and nice, something lacking where I’m from. The fight itself was amazingly fun. The strategy is really not too involved or even complicated. But the requirement to coordinate at that level is crucial.

After the event, I was on a gaming high. This is the PvE content I want! This is what I’ve been asking for! But, I can’t have that on a regular basis. I have tried for hours and hours and hours to get back on a tier 1 server event. Frustrated with trying, I decided to just go back the kaineng and give the event a try. When I logged on, there were 5 people there. Five.

I find myself frustrated and extremely discouraged. I don’t want them to nerf the fight. It was challenging and fun. But, if they don’t, how are the rest of us supposed to do this in 15 mins? The players don’t seem interested in getting better. To highlight my point, a quote from a random person at one of the many failed attempts, “This is a video game, I shouldn’t have to study.” He refused to watch a youtube video or read the forum post showing the basic strategy!

What are my choices? Pay to transfer servers and try finding a new guild, cut my losses and quit the game, suck it up and forget participating in “Guild Wars 2’s answer to raiding”?

Transfer to Blackgate or some other more dedicated server is the answer.

I will, once this whole thing calms down. I’m not pro or anything, but I like things to be done right and always feel the need to put effort into them.

Aster Sage.5417:

I find myself frustrated and extremely discouraged. I don’t want them to nerf the fight. It was challenging and fun. But, if they don’t, how are the rest of us supposed to do this in 15 mins? The players don’t seem interested in getting better. To highlight my point, a quote from a random person at one of the many failed attempts, “This is a video game, I shouldn’t have to study.” He refused to watch a youtube video or read the forum post showing the basic strategy!

If your defense, if that person doesn’t want to learn, then he doesn’t deserve to play Elite content. GW2 rewards those to use game mechanics to succeed. In fact, the game was made in a way that forces people to play smart, or be punished by the computer AI.

Give it time, people will learn the mechanics eventually without the need of guesting/teamspeak. It’s only day four and we’re seeing more and more servers having success.

TDWIG.9712:

Give it time, people will learn the mechanics eventually without the need of guesting/teamspeak. It’s only day four and we’re seeing more and more servers having success.

One must be critical of how much that is due to guesting.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

GW2 rewards those to use game mechanics to succeed. In fact, the game was made in a way that forces people to play smart, or be punished by the computer AI.

What reward? What playing smart? What ‘being punished by the AI’???

You go into the fight on the mercy that 6 people aren’t afk and know what they’re doing, while everyone else mashes 1 just like before. If those 6 people are doing their job, the zerg doesn’t need to do ANYTHING.

Being punished by the AI = Not getting a chance at the grand RNG wheel, which never pays out?

Hope everyone enjoys their blues and greens for content that is 100x more reliant on individual players not trolling than before.

This isn’t elite content. This is barely content at all.

bravoart.5308:

…..while everyone else mashes 1 just like before…..the zerg doesn’t need to do ANYTHING.

While I will agree that the event is too dependent on who gets on the turrets…what kind of absolutely absurd Power and Autoattack DPS do you think people have to just stand there and autoattack?

Honestly you’re either misrepresenting how the DPS zerg works or you haven’t done it yet in a competent group.

bravoart.5308:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

GW2 rewards those to use game mechanics to succeed. In fact, the game was made in a way that forces people to play smart, or be punished by the computer AI.

What reward? What playing smart? What ‘being punished by the AI’???

You go into the fight on the mercy that 6 people aren’t afk and know what they’re doing, while everyone else mashes 1 just like before. If those 6 people are doing their job, the zerg doesn’t need to do ANYTHING.

Being punished by the AI = Not getting a chance at the grand RNG wheel, which never pays out?

Hope everyone enjoys their blues and greens for content that is 100x more reliant on individual players not trolling than before.

This isn’t elite content. This is barely content at all.

Just because you can’t do it, doesn’t mean this isn’t content, esp. content that we can enjoy.

Even if you have 6 good people on the Turrets, if everyone else doesn’t know what to do, you still fail. Only spamming “1” is the one of the main causes for failing this event, since it takes skill to understand the mechanics of jumping, dodging, kiting, etc. That’s something you should consider.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If your defense, if that person doesn’t want to learn, then he doesn’t deserve to play Elite content. GW2 rewards those to use game mechanics to succeed. In fact, the game was made in a way that forces people to play smart, or be punished by the computer AI.

The problem is that, regardless of whether or not they want to learn, or whether or not they “deserve” to be there they are there.

That means the event scales up and with enough people running around like headless chickens failure becomes all but inevitable.

I was just in a Tequatl fight where two turret operators were firing on the Risen near them another just abandoned the turret to go fighting mobs. There were three commanders with tags on running randomly around the place, “stack on the commander!” people cried, which bloody commander? The one running left, the one running right or the one running in to melee him?

I’m from BG. BG ppl are awesome, just move there.

Serkz.3140:

I’m from BG. BG ppl are awesome, just move there.

Whoa there. We’re debating Teq, not recruiting for the upcoming league play in Season 1. hehe /wink

No need to transfer when guesting is just as good and free. Players whose home world is BG can’t get in themselves. So even if you tranfer you’ll still be stuck in overflow just as the guests are. I think you just need to change your perspective because you’re looking at it in the wrong way. PvE content is mainly for everyone. Guesting allows everyone in Guild Wars community to play with each other. So why attach any server pride to completing PvE content? Transfering to a server should be done because you want to represent that server in WvW or if you particularly like a certain server because of their community. But where you complete your content shouldn’t matter much as long as you can still play with your friends. I enjoy playing content with nice people from all other servers as well as my fellow Kainengs.

Come over to TC. We welcome all! We have a very solid community as well as doing well as a server (PvE and WvW).

TonyNariksan.4023:

Come over to TC. We welcome all! We have a very solid community as well as doing well as a server (PvE and WvW).

LOL I think some of the native TC are complaining about guests causing overflows. I think it might be because there are too many TCs.

THIS, is part of the problem. This content is dividing the community. Not uniting it. It’s NOT a good thing when a game makes you hate the place you’ve been happy with. There is no reason that people should feel like they HAVE to transfer to be successful! Yet this content does exactly that. NO ONE likes to fail repeatedly. Sure the success when you do finally succeed is amazing, but a person is automatically more likely to go where success is more likely. That means depriving EVERYONE, their server, the home server they are guesting to, of something so that their chances can be higher. THAT is not a good event. A good event is one that brings each server together, not sends them hightailing it just so they can complete an event.

Note: I was the first person in the Teq success thread to admit I was guesting to another server (Blackgate) because I’d already been on for 8 hours doing teq and failing repeatedly. Miserably. It’s not fun when all you see is failure. Mind you I never made it into BG main, and never completed a successful teq run. I finally gave up, and I haven’t done it since. The waiting, the failing, the everything…make me not even want to log in.

The only thing that need fixing is they need to number the overflows and let us choose which one to join, just like how it was in gw1, so that like-minded people can get together and organizing a fight is not a logistical nightmare.

Yeah, currently it involves a lot of spamming “join in overflow” of someone in your party who is in the right overflow, till you manage to get inside.

I love how epic the event is, but I fear that it has placed the bar a bit too high. It requires a ton of coordination and huge amounts of players. Not something all servers will be able to do, nor even a decently sized group of players using Team Speak. I know, I’ve tried with about 60 people. Not at all a small group, and we were very organized, but it was not enough. We got him down to 50%.

It eventually took a completely filled overflow with hundreds of people on TS today, to finally bring Tequatl down on Aurora Glade.

While it was epic, I do not think that is entirely reasonable.

I don’t get why everyone is thinking BG are the ultimate Tequatl killers. TC and SoR have been downing Tequatl consistently, the only times we don’t are during off hours. The last thing BG needs is more people.

I’d have to agree on the reason-ability. I think the difficulty level on the mechanics of the fight and such are spot on. What I disagree with is the ratio of health to time limitation. I agree it should be a struggle, but when it requires armies that can only be brought about once in a blue moon, it is a fail. Nothing in the open world should fail 90% of the timeor more and be considered a success…

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It eventually took a completely filled overflow with hundreds of people on TS today, to finally bring Tequatl down on Aurora Glade.

So which was it? Overflow or Aurora Glade?

The numbers are amiss too, dragonbrand hasn’t actually beaten teq, we had 2 huge superguilds basically login, beat him and move on. As a server we actually are in a constant state of 50% best.

Narcemus.1348:

I’d have to agree on the reason-ability. I think the difficulty level on the mechanics of the fight and such are spot on. What I disagree with is the ratio of health to time limitation. I agree it should be a struggle, but when it requires armies that can only be brought about once in a blue moon, it is a fail. Nothing in the open world should fail 90% of the timeor more and be considered a success…

Are you saying one of the most successful games in human history, World of Warcraft, was a failure because 90% of the population couldn’t complete end-game type content in less than a weeks time?

Once the overall community understands how to fight Tequatl, you’ll realize just how simple this fight really is.

Once the overall community understands how to fight Tequatl, you’ll realize just how simple this fight really is.

It is simple, and we are doing the right thing/foods/tactics – but the dps needed is insane. If anet said 80 they meant 20 defenders and 60 fullon pvt dps

The whole reason your gaming experience was ruined was because this content is in the open world. Because of this one hundred people are punished for the choices of six individuals whether they don’t know what to do or just being trolls and there is no solution to remove them from the turret once they are on.

Arena Net is also just plain bad at implementing content, they always seem to put it in the worst possible place. A notable example are Precursors. Why does getting one just come down to luck or a fat wallet…

Hands down this encounter should be in an instanced dungeon or raid and the fact they put it in the open world makes me question their ability to create decent future content… even more so than the past lame updates

Be happy that you even got it down. I’m on gate of madness and for the life of me I can’t get it down. Despite spending hours typing the same crap into map about tips, tricks, and to join TS to listen to me give even more advice. The amount of effort I have pooled into this boss makes me sick.

This massive zerg required content must mean it’s almost time for server merges! But before that buy a transfer to the more populated servers so you can enjoy this content such as Tequatl and Bloodlust in the Borderlands.

Raven Paradox.1860:

I don’t get why everyone is thinking BG are the ultimate Tequatl killers. TC and SoR have been downing Tequatl consistently, the only times we don’t are during off hours. The last thing BG needs is more people.

I hope you find peace in your heart.

Yes many others servers are having as much success as BG. It’s better to spread out more than to flood into a single server. It just lowers everyone odds of a successful run!

pot.6805:

Raven Paradox.1860:

I don’t get why everyone is thinking BG are the ultimate Tequatl killers. TC and SoR have been downing Tequatl consistently, the only times we don’t are during off hours. The last thing BG needs is more people.

I hope you find peace in your heart.

TC is always… ALWAYS packed. I wouldn’t try guesting to TC if you’re looking to get in without people you know already there… and even then you’re probably looking at 1h+ of spamming join in sparkfly.

Doon.2364:

No need to transfer when guesting is just as good and free. Players whose home world is BG can’t get in themselves.

Which isn’t fair at all, might I add. Guesting is currently broken as it is.

They should make the world fight much easier and less rewarding, and add an instanced version guildd can start.

Go to flag pole, use it, spend merits and influence to set, your guild members can enter to the instance by using the pole. 75-100 people at a time.

That’ll do much better than how it is right now.

To be fair, it doesn’t even matter that my server can down Teq. I can’t even get onto the main TC Sparkfly Fen most of the time to do it. As annoying as not being able to get in, that is one of the plus sides of guesting for people on a smaller server.

But with that said, I can understand being frustrated with the lack of people to do the event. I haven’t been happier since transferring to TC from Kaineng a few weeks ago. I went from never seeing anyone on maps to running across people everywhere. I can do WvsW at any time during the day and have people beside me, instead of hardly having enough during prime time on Kaineng. Transferring to TC was one of the best decisions I’ve made in game, so if you’re that frustrated it couldn’t hurt to transfer somewhere else.

Kaia.6859:

To be fair, it doesn’t even matter that my server can down Teq. I can’t even get onto the main TC Sparkfly Fen most of the time to do it. As annoying as not being able to get in, that is one of the plus sides of guesting for people on a smaller server.

But with that said, I can understand being frustrated with the lack of people to do the event. I haven’t been happier since transferring to TC from Kaineng a few weeks ago. I went from never seeing anyone on maps to running across people everywhere. I can do WvsW at any time during the day and have people beside me, instead of hardly having enough during prime time on Kaineng. Transferring to TC was one of the best decisions I’ve made in game, so if you’re that frustrated it couldn’t hurt to transfer somewhere else.

Glad to see you’re enjoying TC. Have you checked out Divinity’s Reach late at night yet?

I dont see how BG is ruining your gaming experience. You have beaten him, correct? some of us who are in BG havent even been able to get to the main server for an “organized” fight with teq.

But I get what you are saying. You are welcome to guest to whatevver server you want.

pho.9412:

I dont see how BG is ruining your gaming experience. You have beaten him, correct? some of us who are in BG havent even been able to get to the main server for an “organized” fight with teq.

I’m being tongue-in-cheek about BG. What I’m implying is they ruined me for my own server. And as I stated in my post I didn’t get into BG main. It was a BG heavy overflow.

I read your title thinking this would just be someone complaining, but now that I read it I sympathize with your frustration.
You need to keep in mind this content is brand new and is not designed to be doable by just anyone. Right now every player is trying to do the event, which causes it to often scale out of control from large amounts of AFK people and many of us being unable to even come close to doing it on our own server. On top of that you have hordes of achievement whores who could care less about learning the fight and just want their points, although some of them do indeed read up on the event first.
In a few weeks when people get frustrated and new shiny content comes out the people bogging down the event will move on, leaving only those truly interested in beating him in the area. The farmers have better ways to spend their time and the people who lack the determination to succeed at this event will give up. At that point people will be able to get in on their own servers. You already have people in this thread that are prime examples of why the event fails.
You can always guest to a larger server for the event, I am on dragonbrand and I was lucky enough to be there the first time we killed Tequatl, and truthfully the fight is not that hard, the players make it hard. Just be patient and let the initial turmoil settle. It’s not just Blackgate that is able to handle this, although it sadly sounds like your server never will. You can always just guest to a better populated server for the event a few weeks down the road, I just would avoid TC and BG since they will sadly be plagued by the wrong type of people guesting to them to try to get carried through the event for weeks to come

Condition builds still broke, Anet promotes Zerker/Power builds, they want events to fail and people to not make so much gold so they will be forced to pay cash for gems to convert to gold so they can make more money. GW1 had style, had more common sense, and more dedication. GW2 is starting to feel like a cheap grab for as much gem money as they can get and careless about the player base. This attitude and model keeps up they will have to set all the events to easy mode in a few years cause no one will be playing this game. I played GW1 scince beta and still do today. GW2 im starting to fall out of love with cause of the devs ignoring core issues in the game that still havnt been fixed. I myself like many people and guildmembers are just going to skip teq for more rewarding, less buggy, less troll worthy content and teq in a few weeks or months will become an empty event, till they go back and fix it. I love the direction they are trying to head in, but simply put.. BAD implementation and no consideration on what else is broke in this game that needs fixing. Just look at the priorities.. they Release Teq a new Hard World Content updated world boss that needs an organized team… before a fully working LFG tool for people to team up. Starting to feel anet devs are brain dead!

Aster, I feel for you. I know your frustration but as a non-hardcore player I get as frustrated as you. I tried doing it on our Server. I stayed with the main zerg and did what I was told to do. I may not have the perfect build, I may not sit and study for hours how to do a certain fight, but I try. That is what ticks me off so much about this is I really should not have to go to Youtube, read pages of how -to’s just to participate in an event. I have a real life and do GW2 for fun. When I do get into a difficult fight etc. I really try to listen to what I am being told to do and do it.

Should I not have fun too? I think the main problem is that the dev. have made it so difficult for guilds/servers to get together. They have added nothing in-game that allows a guild or a server to come together for stuff. A guild have to have an outside website just to announce events. Servers if they want it do too. There is no way now for officer to really tell who is active in their guilds. You need Teamspeak or mumble to talk to people. Which everyone has their own, so coordination their is difficult. There isn’t even a good LFG in guild wars. Guild leaders can’t send emails or messages in mass to all players in the guild. So on these smaller servers with smaller guilds it makes it really difficult to do a mass event like this.

I want to participate and help, but no I am not a hard core player. So I will try to get most of the achievements and help, but no I will probably never do it again after that.
Aliya

What you experienced is what many of us have been waiting for in video games. That sense of accomplishment, of beating something hard and enjoying in the celebration of it. Now, if you experience that feeling over and over again, it has less of an effect, till it no longer matters anymore.

As for your friend who doesnt want to ‘study’ to beat a boss. Fine, then he can learn what didnt work this time and try something else. Im glad anet is moving away from just stacking on boss and dpsing. Also, that other guy away from any n64 or older video games.