Guild Wars 2

Just curious what people’s best attempts while in an overflow have been? For me personally I have gotten no better than about 85% health left. Debating on never even attempting again in an overflow unless posts here renew my enthusiasm for my chances while in a overflow.
Cheers.

It’s pretty much impossible with randoms. You need an organized guild to all join the same overflow in order to get it done. So unless you see a lot of guild presence I suggest just logging out and doing something more productive with your day.

Yes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1mp5on/overflow_just_killed_teq_d/

Looks like not so much….

Rednop 10 points 5 hours ago
Eh. It was barely considered an overflow. We had someone scout for an empty overflow, found one with 2 people in it, and migrated all of the organized people off the main SoR server and into that overflow. Had a total of about 120 people on Raidcall. It wasn’t a bunch of people that got thrown into an overflow, got organized, and killed it; we basically just took our own instance.

zamalek.2154:

Yes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1mp5on/overflow_just_killed_teq_d/

But that was a bunch of raids that organised to meet and moved to an overflow, I don’t think that’s quite what the OP is talking about.

zamalek.2154:

Yes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1mp5on/overflow_just_killed_teq_d/

“Eh. It was barely considered an overflow. We had someone scout for an empty overflow, found one with 2 people in it, and migrated all of the organized people off the main SoR server and into that overflow. Had a total of about 120 people on Raidcall. It wasn’t a bunch of people that got thrown into an overflow, got organized, and killed it; we basically just took our own instance.”

Just a few comments in.

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

I think the issue people are pointing out is that it doesn’t just punish those that refuse to work together, but also those who do.

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

/facepalm

The reason people are being shuttled into overflows is because a lot of people (including them) want to take part in the event. They want to dedicate effort to it. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be in the overflow.

What do you think? That overflows are full of people who don’t really care about the event that the game somehow determines the likelihood of you being “hardcore, dedicated and competent” and puts you into an overflow or the main server depending on it. Wow, that’s pretty amazing! I mean, how does the game determine that? Magic I assume.

I’m always amazed at the mental gymnastics that people will pull to somehow convince themselves that they’re better than others and those others deserve whatever happens to them.

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

Shanaeri Rynale.6897:

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

I think the issue people are pointing out is that it doesn’t just punish those that refuse to work together, but also those who do.

That’s the nature of games in general, where you’re part of a team (server). In real sports you can have 2 out of 25 people on a team be the best in the league and that’s not enough to help your team since no one person is a difference maker.

Same in these games. Just cause your 15 man guild is the elite of the elite doesn’t mean you’ll win out in the end since your server as a whole needs to work.

Pifil.5193:

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

/facepalm

The reason people are being shuttled into overflows is because a lot of people (including them) want to take part in the event. They want to dedicate effort to it. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be in the overflow.

What do you think? That overflows are full of people who don’t really care about the event that the game somehow determines the likelihood of you being “hardcore, dedicated and competent” and puts you into an overflow or the main server depending on it. Wow, that’s pretty amazing! I mean, how does the game determine that? Magic I assume.

I’m always amazed at the mental gymnastics that people will pull to somehow convince themselves that they’re better than others and those others deserve whatever happens to them.

If you’re really dedicated that you want to do Teq and you still end up in an overflow? Well, sorry, tough luck. It’s happened to me many times, and I’ve grown to accept that there are limitations that are outside of your control. You need to readjust your expectations and know that you have a very slim chance you’re not going to get it. Whining about it isn’t going to do you any favors, so just accept it and deal with it.

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

Uh, what? I was there when Teq was first downed on TC and got booted right before the kill. I have since been unable to return to my own home instance due to the ensuing mass guesting.

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

It’s common sense. The organization and mechanics of Teq leaves very little room for error, which is something casuals can’t afford to risk.

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

I’m sorry, I missed the part where I was asked how much effort I planned to put in to the encounter before attempting to zone into Sparkfly Fen. Good to know there is a fair assessment of player quality going into the instancing process.

Vol.5241:

If you’re really dedicated that you want to do Teq and you still end up in an overflow? Well, sorry, tough luck. It’s happened to me many times, and I’ve grown to accept that there are limitations that are outside of your control. You need to readjust your expectations and know that you have a very slim chance you’re not going to get it. Whining about it isn’t going to do you any favors, so just accept it and deal with it.

Who says I’m whining about anything? You’ve made a hell of an assumption there.

I’m ok with overflows, I’ve tried the event a few times on overflows, I’ll continue to try it on overflows when I can’t get onto the main server and I’ve come to accept that I’m ultimately at the mercy of the other 100 or so players in the event (overflow or main) I can play fantastically well and it doesn’t really matter at all but that’s the nature of these open world events where everyone must play fantastically well too and that’s less likely in an overflow where half the people aren’t even speaking the same language as you.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Vol.5241:

I’m glad overflows can’t do it. It punishes those that refuse to work together. If you want faceroll meta content, do kitten or Jorlag.

Teq is for the hardcore, dedicated and competent. If you don’t want to dedicate any type of effort to it, you will lose, and justly so.

Uh, what? I was there when Teq was first downed on TC and got booted right before the kill. I have since been unable to return to my own home instance due to the ensuing mass guesting.

I’m sorry that happened to you.

But now what do you want? You want the overflow to be able to kill Teq with no coordination?

Science.6709:

I’m sorry, I missed the part where I was asked how much effort I planned to put in to the encounter before attempting to zone into Sparkfly Fen. Good to know there is a fair assessment of player quality going into the instancing process.

It uses magic! Which is the best and fairest way.

Obviously it can happen in an overflow. It’s just not all that likely, given the coordination required and the fact that an overflow is filled with people from several different communities who don’t know each other and didn’t want to be there in the first place. Ironically it will probably be more viable in overflow after people are all more experienced with it and need less leadership, by which time you’d be less likely to be in overflow.

That, or drag all of an organized group into an overflow. I imagine this will happen occasionally (it already has at least once) when they find getting into the main server is futile.

Pifil.5193:

Vol.5241:

If you’re really dedicated that you want to do Teq and you still end up in an overflow? Well, sorry, tough luck. It’s happened to me many times, and I’ve grown to accept that there are limitations that are outside of your control. You need to readjust your expectations and know that you have a very slim chance you’re not going to get it. Whining about it isn’t going to do you any favors, so just accept it and deal with it.

Who says I’m whining about anything? You’ve made a hell of an assumption there.

I’m ok with overflows, I’ve tried the event a few times on overflows, I’ll continue to try it on overflows when I can’t get onto the main server and I’ve come to accept that I’m ultimately at the mercy of the other 100 or so players in the event (overflow or main) I can play fantastically well and it doesn’t really matter at all but that’s the nature of these open world events where everyone must play fantastically well too and that’s less likely in an overflow where half the people aren’t even speaking the same language as you.

Didn’t mean as you were whining, I just say it in general when I read threads like these.

“I’ve come to accept that I’m ultimately at the mercy of the other 100 or so players in the event (overflow or main) "

And this is exactly the mentality that everyone else should be taking. You can’t do kitten about it, there is no point in complaining now. It’s the nature of the encounter and the nature of MMOs. “Deal With It”

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

It’s common sense. The organization and mechanics of Teq leaves very little room for error, which is something casuals can’t afford to risk.

So you agree this content shouldn’t be open world where you can not control who does the event with you?

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

It’s common sense. The organization and mechanics of Teq leaves very little room for error, which is something casuals can’t afford to risk.

So you agree this content shouldn’t be open world where you can not control who does the event with you?

Personally I think this content would have been great as an instance, so yes.

But I also recognize that Anet is trying to introduce and experiment with open world raiding (I don’t think any other MMO has done it).

For those who have successfully completed it and worked together for it, it has been a great experience. You can ask those who completed it yesterday on SoR how exciting it was to progressively get better and then finally beat him with 1 second left.

And there are also those who have not successfully completed it, who have been stuck in overflow, or who are just not skilled enough to complete the content. I’m sure they’re not happy or indifferent.

There are some things that Anet can improve for the above group, such as increasing map cap, instituting map lock-outs or introducing a server reconnect buffer when you DC. But there are also some things that Anet cannot/should not do, such as remove the overflow system, allow home players prioritization, or even nerf Teq or increase his timer.

never been able to get into main server map for days now trying allday. overflolws have no chance they are just fields of dead and trolls on turrets. this is a terrible event for open world something needs to be donenot everyobne can coordinate 80 people, theres no way to reprimand people for not doing the right thing or akitteng and its not fun at all to waste hours losing with no chance of winning

The more servers that get the hang of the event the more likely it will be for overflows to be able to handle it. Currently an overflow that was primarily comprised of servers that have finished the event has succeeded, so this seems sound.

Vol.5241:

I’m sorry that happened to you.

But now what do you want? You want the overflow to be able to kill Teq with no coordination?

I want to be able to get into my main instance obviously. I want to be able to actually enjoy this content on some level. And that just isn’t possible right now. So yeah, I’m going to go ahead and call that bad game design. They did not consider the issues overflows would cause and now they have a kitten ed off playerbase.

Vol.5241:

Didn’t mean as you were whining, I just say it in general when I read threads like these.

“I’ve come to accept that I’m ultimately at the mercy of the other 100 or so players in the event (overflow or main) "

And this is exactly the mentality that everyone else should be taking. You can’t do kitten about it, there is no point in complaining now. It’s the nature of the encounter and the nature of MMOs. “Deal With It”

OK, fair enough. I think that in another couple of days the overflows will be fewer and we’ll be more likely to be in the main server anyway. Until then I think we’re largely wasting our time but that’s the nature of these mob events. The effort of the individual is lost when a mob is needed, our efforts feel futile when regardless of how well we play the overall progress remains the same and so the player continues to feel less and less powerful.

That is frustrating and will be what causes a lot of people to just give up.

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

It’s common sense. The organization and mechanics of Teq leaves very little room for error, which is something casuals can’t afford to risk.

So you agree this content shouldn’t be open world where you can not control who does the event with you?

Personally I think this content would have been great as an instance, so yes.

But I also recognize that Anet is trying to introduce and experiment with open world raiding (I don’t think any other MMO has done it).

For those who have successfully completed it and worked together for it, it has been a great experience. You can ask those who completed it yesterday on SoR how exciting it was to progressively get better and then finally beat him with 1 second left.

And there are also those who have not successfully completed it, who have been stuck in overflow, or who are just not skilled enough to complete the content. I’m sure they’re not happy or indifferent.

There are some things that Anet can improve for the above group, such as increasing map cap, instituting map lock-outs or introducing a server reconnect buffer when you DC. But there are also some things that Anet cannot/should not do, such as remove the overflow system, allow home players prioritization, or even nerf Teq or increase his timer.

Open world raiding does not work on an event/mob that requires this much paying attention from so many people. Then have 80% of the fight rely on 6 people who may or may not have a clue on what to do with turrets. Hard stuff like last Arena enemy, and SAB trib it relied on person skill or skill of those you brought.

This event punishes people are are geared, who understand the mechanics, and who want to improve because not everyone puts equal effort into things.

An event also should not punish something that is out of peoples controls like overflow. People group others into main server and they sit there all day. This cuts infront of people in que stuck in an overflow.

I’ve said many time before this event is awesome, it is just in the wrong place. Open world mid-high level zone is not the right place.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Vol.5241:

I’m sorry that happened to you.

But now what do you want? You want the overflow to be able to kill Teq with no coordination?

I want to be able to get into my main instance obviously. I want to be able to actually enjoy this content on some level. And that just isn’t possible right now. So yeah, I’m going to go ahead and call that bad game design. They did not consider the issues overflows would cause and now they have a kitten ed off playerbase.

It would be nice if we didn’t have overflows. The forums have been filled with these complaints.

But they are here for a reason, and it’s unfortunately due to the limitations we have in technology these days.

As I said a few days ago, you have to choose between
Having everyone in a zone with tremendous lag/DC’s and no chance at getting teq done

or

Having 100-150 players in a zone with no/little lag and have a legit chance at getting teq done, with 50-100 other players being put in an overflow.

Unfortunately it’s the case of picking from the worst, and we are better off with overflows than without.

Pifil.5193:

Vol.5241:

Didn’t mean as you were whining, I just say it in general when I read threads like these.

“I’ve come to accept that I’m ultimately at the mercy of the other 100 or so players in the event (overflow or main) "

And this is exactly the mentality that everyone else should be taking. You can’t do kitten about it, there is no point in complaining now. It’s the nature of the encounter and the nature of MMOs. “Deal With It”

OK, fair enough. I think that in another couple of days the overflows will be fewer and we’ll be more likely to be in the main server anyway. Until then I think we’re largely wasting our time but that’s the nature of these mob events. The effort of the individual is lost when a mob is needed, our efforts feel futile when regardless of how well we play the overall progress remains the same and so the player continues to feel less and less powerful.

That is frustrating and will be what causes a lot of people to just give up.

I can see those who have downed Teq and know how to fight it will still do Teq since he is NOT that difficult when you have coordination. Those who don’t will probably give up from the overflows alone

Vol.5241:

Unfortunately it’s the case of picking from the worst, and we are better off with overflows than without.

You know, having waited for almost eight hours I’m going to have to disagree with that.

As bad as those old queues were they worked. Players couldn’t just skip the queue by spamming join and everybody was forced to wait their turn to participate. It was a fair system. A better system than the joke currently going on.

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Vol.5241:

Wargrave.4936:

Please show where it says where it says it is for hardcore people only.

What, you think that casual Ele who uses Chaos Armor and doesn’t bother dropping Conjure Bows or Fiery GS while wearing green/rare zerk gear is going to contribute?

So i assume you have no proof.

It’s common sense. The organization and mechanics of Teq leaves very little room for error, which is something casuals can’t afford to risk.

So you agree this content shouldn’t be open world where you can not control who does the event with you?

Personally I think this content would have been great as an instance, so yes.

But I also recognize that Anet is trying to introduce and experiment with open world raiding (I don’t think any other MMO has done it).

For those who have successfully completed it and worked together for it, it has been a great experience. You can ask those who completed it yesterday on SoR how exciting it was to progressively get better and then finally beat him with 1 second left.

And there are also those who have not successfully completed it, who have been stuck in overflow, or who are just not skilled enough to complete the content. I’m sure they’re not happy or indifferent.

There are some things that Anet can improve for the above group, such as increasing map cap, instituting map lock-outs or introducing a server reconnect buffer when you DC. But there are also some things that Anet cannot/should not do, such as remove the overflow system, allow home players prioritization, or even nerf Teq or increase his timer.

Open world raiding does not work on an event/mob that requires this much paying attention from so many people. Then have 80% of the fight rely on 6 people who may or may not have a clue on what to do with turrets. Hard stuff like last Arena enemy, and SAB trib it relied on person skill or skill of those you brought.

This event punishes people are are geared, who understand the mechanics, and who want to improve because not everyone puts equal effort into things.

An event also should not punish something that is out of peoples controls like overflow. People group others into main server and they sit there all day. This cuts infront of people in que stuck in an overflow.

I’ve said many time before this event is awesome, it is just in the wrong place. Open world mid-high level zone is not the right place.

Well anet wanted to put their own twist on raiding, and I think we are seeing it with open world dynamic meta events such as teq (although it really isn’t all that dynamic)

I do hope Anet will consider instanced content later on so that these problems can be mitigated, but until then..

Fungalfoot.7213:

Vol.5241:

Unfortunately it’s the case of picking from the worst, and we are better off with overflows than without.

You know, having waited for almost eight hours I’m going to have to disagree with that.

As bad as those old queues were they worked. Players couldn’t just skip the queue by spamming join and everybody was forced to wait their turn to participate. It was a fair system. A better system than the joke currently going on.

So you’d prefer the system where you have a 5-20 second skill/movement delay in this fight? Where poison wells will kill you in 5 seconds and where time is very important?

If you have ever participated in a WvW map with three blobs engaging one another at the same time, you’d understand that it’s NOT pleasant. PvE will be exactly the same.

I don’t know, is that kinda hard to enter in a map and ask what TS are you guys using ? If there is none ok move to another one.

I bet that those who are asking for nerf manage to kill it in an organized way will notice how good is the feeling and will stop asking easy content.