Guild Wars 2

Mirta.5029:

Lostwingman.5034:

It’s (almost) impossible for potatoes and afks because they sabotage themselves.
It is NOT impossible for you as the only thing holding you back is them and numbers.
Do you understand the difference now?
Or are you going to keep lashing out over any perceived slight because of your frustration?

Well the argument is flawed.
1. It’s impossible for servers filled with AFKers and potatoes due to them upscaling the event
2. If the servers overcomes potatoes upscaling the event, potatoes get the reward too, therefore making it not impossible for potatoes.
Pick one!

1. So Potatoes and AFKers sabotage the event for themselves when in any appreciable numbers.
2. This is why I added the “almost” caveat because it is possible if they aren’t allowed on turrets and the ratio of Humans:Potatoes is very high towards Thinking Users. It just isn’t feasible for many to win that way outside of a statistically infinitesimal amount.
That’s the thing, some things are always possible. Like winning the lottery. You’re treating Potatoes winning the lottery like its a regular thing for Potatoes.
Plus I was replying to the OP who had abandoned his home server (not guested out, outright transfered which happens to be my home server) that is constantly sabotaged because of the INCREDIBLE amount of Potatoes and AFKs.
I don’t think you understand having a server in overflow but only a dozen or so people doing the event. It was in that context that I made the statement.

sirsquishy.8531:

The only way to beat this content is to have voice chat. I have NOT seen any groups complete this with out being on Mumble or Teamspeak.

There wont be a kill without a voice chat being used. Because there are too many players using it all the time. It’s like expecting a random group of 100 people picked from the street not having any mobile phones.

but the voice chat is not required. I say this as someone that defeated Tequatl without using voice chat myself. All organization and information required was organized well enough beforehand, AND people didnt abandon those instructions. The latter part is where the usual overflow fails.

However the encounter does require organized efforts – there is no doubt about that. Taking 10 minutes to set up teams and make sure everyone knows their place and the strategy will remain required – using VoIP for this setup isnt required.

This encounter will remain totally unpuggable and as soon as the novelty wears off it will become a ghost town unless heavily nerfed.

For all those that “give it 2 weeks every pug group will be farming it”, just look at the failure rate of Grenth several months after it has been introduced, and remember that event is dozens of times easier than Teq.

I have 4 Teq kills so far. In its current state it won’t be a spur of the moment event. People will need to be there ready and in place for it to go. And even then it will take a lot of coordination. I still think the timer will end up being extended at some point to allow people to get to the event.

Just look at the livestream today.

Mastruq.2463:

but the voice chat is not required. I say this as someone that defeated Tequatl without using voice chat myself. All organization and information required was organized well enough beforehand, AND people didnt abandon those instructions. The latter part is where the usual overflow fails.

You didn’t use it but your zerg certainly did. I didn’t use VoIP for downing him on TC or CD but I know for a fact that the commanders and the zerg did. Most players require being lead by the nose and the game currently doesn’t offer the option so we have to resort to third party software.

Face it, you’re just being disingenuous at this point. We both know that this event will never be completed on a random overflow.

Seems like it was impossible for the a.net livestream anyhow…

rizzo.1079:

Seems like it was impossible for the a.net livestream anyhow…

I’ve seen a lot of ANet staffers hang out in the overflows observing the efforts and occasionally lending a hand. Needless to say, every single observed attempt has ended in catastrophic failure. A bunch of randoms just don’t have the resources necessary. You can plan all you want but without somebody shelling out the dosh for a VoIP server capable of holding over a hundred people you’re not going to be able to adapt during the encounter.

So much to the chagrin of the anti-nerf crowd I’m pretty confident that a nerf will happen as it’s simply necessary for the future health of the event. The question is what kind of nerf it will be and that’s where I believe it’s important to speak out. I don’t think anybody here wants him to be reduced to a loot pinata like so many other world bosses. Still, smaller servers and overflows must be given a fair shot at taking him down. Otherwise the guesting issue is just going to get worse and worse.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Face it, you’re just being disingenuous at this point. We both know that this event will never be completed on a random overflow.

It will never be completed on a random overflow, I agree with you on that. The niche for this encounter is multi-group content that requires coordination and teamwork. As such a if you pick 150 random people out of LA and say “do it”, it will fail. No doubt about it.

The raids in this game so far have been simple tank+spank, which given that GW2 doesnt have the tank/healing angle is just a giant dps check (if it even has a time limit). The few exceptions were escort-based which is prone to random failures because of one or few individuals (Grenth and Balthazar). This encounter still has the same weakness, but instead of standing in the wrong place the players that fail occupy turrets without knowing what to do with them.

The main obstacle this week (and a few more weeks probably) is people showing up with no intention to learn and adapt or follow instructions and expecting to get succeed. I blame nobody for doing that because that’s how it is in GW2. I do think people that enjoy this kind of content will adapt, and those that dont enjoy it will stop doing it. which leads to the encounter being done the way it was intended by Anet: by a raid of likeminded people that organized for it.

rizzo.1079:

Seems like it was impossible for the a.net livestream anyhow…

LOL I had a laugh, that was kinda embarassing. Anyways I guess we’ll just stop arguing about this event for now and maybe come back in 20/30 days to see hows it going. With no changes it’s going to be a ghost town on pretty much every server, with rare exceptions of people joining an exploitable guild created ad-hoc just to farm the achievements of this disposable event. Everyone else will go back to Frostgorge to farm champions cause “we like hard contents”.

You know considering this was put together to bring people together, play and share an experience has done nothing but divided the playing community, all people are doing is bickering.

Conclusion, this doesn’t work in it’s current form. Somehow it needs to be changed to meet a middle ground.

Time and time again the player base continue to state what’s wrong with the living story and these events ala Teq.

Maybe a new lead head to take over GW2 is required with fresh ideas because at the moment every two weeks all you hear are complains in one form or another because it seems no one is listening.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

As far as I know it has yet to be done using only ingame resources. Every successful attempt I’ve heard of needed TS to win.

SO… technically still impossible without 3rd party programs.

Also the majority of the attempts have been performed by either BG or TC. They just keep guesting around and beating it on different servers to help people out. Which is great, and very nice of them, but not representative of the majority.

Not saying I don’t like the challenge, beating it is fun, i’ve done it once, hoping to do it again tonight. But to be fair it has yet to be beaten by normal players, which is what the people claiming it was impossible had in mind I think.

Under that logic, doing tPvP with voice chat is cheating. It’s ELITE content. If voice wasn’t required/extremely helpful, it wouldn’t be hard.

If voice is REQUIRED, then why the kitten doesn’t ANet have ANY method to use Voice that doesn’t involve running a third-party tool outside the game?

Last I checked, the license/TOS forbids the use of third-party utilities.