Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 1 and earlier added content in this game offered a lot for casual gamers. All titles were eventually obtainable. Arenanet seems to have gone down a different road now with this Tequatl redesign in favor of content requiring high numbers of players and coordination to complete. I can only hope that future content doesn’t follow this model since it places players like me at a disadvantage. I don’t know but I would guess that more of the player base is like me with limited time to play.
Personally, I’m at 9 of 10 on the Tequatl achievement and I have no illusion about being able to complete 10.

……..dude, obviously this isnt an event for casuals, that was the god kitten idea. Look, the content for casuals is EVERYWHERE on gw2, the small events, shatterer and the other bosses (outside of claw) are easy for casuals. in fact imo if they make ALL the dragon bosses/big world bosses content that requires skill and coordination gw2 would have great endgame pve content worth for both for casuals and hardcore. But complaining that they made ONE GOD kitten BOSS for hardcore players instead of the usual casual players is pretty crappy indeed

Defend the turrets. It is a casual role.
The event is not casual as a whole, but that doesn’t mean that a casual player can’t be part of it.

I am not a casual gamer and I still can’t do it. Why? Because it’s impossible to do with 4 people. Is this event meant to promote guesting?

Any casual who knows how to guest and follow instructions can complete this event, as long as it’s run by competent commanders. I just completed a successful teq raid over on Baruch Bay, Teq was killed in record time, the commanders knew their stuff, and any casual in that zerg would have found it easy to complete this. It’s just a matter of finding out where it’s being organized.

I don’t think it’s bad to have at least one boss in the game, that requires a huge organized effort. However, requiring almost an entirely full overflow/district, along with a ton of guilds on Team Speak, may be putting the bar a bit too high. The sheer number of players required to beat this content it a bit unreasonable.

@OP
Are you trying to say that casual players are complete idiots that are unable to participate in open event because they cant follow commander or be part of organisation?
Or is it because concept of +power gear is out of their grasp, along with using food and potion?
I consider myself casual player, since i dont play more than 2 hours a day due to little kid i have and very little free time. I also find this thread insulting to casual players.

edit: you are mentioning gw1, so explain to me how is The Deep or Urgosz Warren casual content, they required at least 2 hours to complete (im not considering Eotn skills that broke any content that was challenging)…

kRiza krimos.1637:

@OP
Are you trying to say that casual players are complete idiots that are unable to participate in open event because they cant follow commander or be part of organisation?
Or is it because concept of +power gear is out of their grasp, along with using food and potion?

The second. If you are willing to go as far for one event as to seek out and use special gear, builds and buffs for only this occasion, then you are not really a casual player. It’s not that those concepts are “out of grasp” of casuals, it’s just that they are generally unwilling to go out of their way and go that extra mile. That is why they are called casuals.

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kRiza krimos.1637:

@OP
Are you trying to say that casual players are complete idiots that are unable to participate in open event because they cant follow commander or be part of organisation?
Or is it because concept of +power gear is out of their grasp, along with using food and potion?

The second. If you are willing to go as far for one event as to seek out and use special gear, builds and buffs for only this occasion, then you are not really a casual player. It’s not that those concepts are “out of grasp” of casuals, it’s just that they are generally unwilling to go out of their way and go that extra mile. That is why they are called casuals.

Then they shouldn’t care about one event out of whole game either. Or complain about it on forums. Even if all dragons get revamped like this, they can always go and do pinata bosses.

kRiza krimos.1637:

Then they shouldn’t care about one event out of whole game either. Or complain about it on forums. Even if all dragons get revamped like this, they can always go and do pinata bosses.

Where? Did you notice that suddenly one area was practically just removed from the map available for casuals? Are you surprised that they don’t want to see more areas taken away from them?

Astralporing.1957:

kRiza krimos.1637:

Then they shouldn’t care about one event out of whole game either. Or complain about it on forums. Even if all dragons get revamped like this, they can always go and do pinata bosses.

Where? Did you notice that suddenly one area was practically just removed from the map available for casuals? Are you surprised that they don’t want to see more areas taken away from them?

Area? Its a single event! Enough with drama already, 90% of people are ignoring 99% of events in this game and sudfdenly one is such a big deal…please.

Surfing the overflows, organizing pugs and camping for random amounts of minutes/hours/days isn’t designed for casual players.

The 15 minute event itself? Easier than any raid boss of actual raiding games.

kRiza krimos.1637:

Area? Its a single event! Enough with drama already, 90% of people are ignoring 99% of events in this game and sudfdenly one is such a big deal…please.[/quote]

One reason it’s a big deal is because it give Dragonite now. Because my server has never won this event and because when I guest to another server I get into overflow and it fails, this means a good source of dragonite is not available.

Tequatl is for “casual gamers” as well. Join TTS and you will see that we will get you kills. We have 1700+ members full of casual gamers and pro gamers, all killing Tequatl 5-10 times daily now.

kRiza krimos.1637:

Area? Its a single event!

A single event that requires that everyone in the map participates, or it will fail. You just can’t have groups of casuals doing their own thing running around the same map taking valuable spots – which means that “Kill teq or GTFO” is the mantra of the day. Even if they have as much right to be there as the would be Teq killers.

The fight fine as it is for casual players. Its only doesnt work for players who dont know how to act as a team or listen to instructions. I play weekends mostly as i work and all i All i did was use the lfg tool and join a team with someone on teamspeak and just follow there lead, (and read the messages from commaanders) job done.

I think it was designed for casual gamer’s, however, I think it went seriously wrong for Anet, probably why they haven’t posted anything in this forum.

Tequatl is designed so anyone can come and do it. However, it is not designed for those who don’t want to adapt, change their build and gear for purpouse of event. Those people will bring little contibution, and they are not called casual players but selfish and lazy players.
And i bet there will be responses to this in lines of: “Anet advertised that i can play this game way i want to…”

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kRiza krimos.1637:

Area? Its a single event! Enough with drama already, 90% of people are ignoring 99% of events in this game and sudfdenly one is such a big deal…please.

One reason it’s a big deal is because it give Dragonite now. Because my server has never won this event and because when I guest to another server I get into overflow and it fails, this means a good source of dragonite is not available.
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You gotta be kidding me?

That is such grasping for straw to reinforce your arguments that its outrageous. Now dragonite is biggest issue for casual players? Like there isn’t 6 temples that give 30 ore each…tequatl give maybe 40 total.
And why does everything in this game has to be handed to casuals just because?

It’s Fairly nice event but i guess the biggest problem is the “afkers” everytime ive tryed it on my own server there’s usually 20 if not more afk taking spots from active people and spawning champs making things complicated, it would be lot easier to do if afk timer would be reduced to 5 min, ive done it few time and waited countless hours to get last 2 achievements that i find hard to do with all bloody afkers near turrets. It’s simply stupid to have over 30min afk timer on such area, i love hard content but i hate when it becomes broken glass up the kitten cuz of some people >.>

Astralporing.1957:

kRiza krimos.1637:

Then they shouldn’t care about one event out of whole game either. Or complain about it on forums. Even if all dragons get revamped like this, they can always go and do pinata bosses.

Where? Did you notice that suddenly one area was practically just removed from the map available for casuals? Are you surprised that they don’t want to see more areas taken away from them?

Disclaimer: I believe casual players can take part in this event if they happen to be there, but to follow your negative view on casuals I will say this:

I doubt casual players care if you remove another 4 meta bosses from their doable list. That still leaves a dozen or so per day for the bonus, or per character each day for the chest. That is FAR more then they do IF they are casual. If you are casual about GW2 you play in spurts of less then an hour here and care to use or even know about API timer websites. So you maybe hang out in queensdale or especially wayfarers for the occasional world boss even there since the Maw is fairly frequent, but that is it.

There is another kind of player though that affected by this a bit more:

They use timer websites, and spend each day doing them with as many of their 7 characters that they can, spending upwards of 3 or even many more hours per day in GW2. You also encounter then on the champ train outside of metas. They are not what I would call casual, and they get 1 bonus rare less and probably 2-3 big chests less if they just skip Tequatl now that he was changed. I dont think that is a loss worth whining about, tbh, but that’s just me.

I have a bit of a negative opinion on those players because many (not all) of them act very entitled most of the time, while at the same time being unwilling to adapt or change. Many of them post on this forum bemoaning their loss of the old Tequatl encounter if the entire zone of Sparkfly was removed, or as if they are now legally barred from the Tequatl encounter. Fact is, those players do have the means to adapt and organize for Tequatl, they just dont accept change and pout that its now too hard, and they no longer have a 100% guarantee to get their rare quality item as if thats the end of the world.

im a casual and ill probably not do teq but it doesnt bother me as long as i have some way to get dragonite. hey as long as they leave me a boss or two im fine. i dont mind if they change 2 to 4 bosses to make them harder as long as i have that many to do. i mean the teq zone is a little bit unconvenience for me but its ok its not that bad of a zone and if i wanted to finish it on an alt i still can. i dont get this where one person think everything should fit his playstyle balance it out so everyone has things to do if i ever get time hopefully il get my teq achievements so far ive gotten zero ive tried him four times but all those times the overflow wasnt that good i did my part in defending the turret funny thing that was the only turret standing at end of event and it was me and one other guy defending it. nope let them change a few bosses for those who want hard stuff but leave a few for us casuals too please

Thanks to the community, it is now for casual games. Just join any of the dedicated tequatl slaying guilds (check the threads in this forum), when you do want to do the fight, represent the guild, zone into sparkfly fen and ask for a party invite to be able to join into the designated overflow, and follow instructions.

I also have limited time to play, rarely outside of weekends I get more than 1 hour of uninterrupted game time, yet thanks to one of those guilds (Tequatl Terror Squad in my case) I’ve killed him several times already.

Also, as of now, there are 22 bosses (not counting Scarlet) that give bonus chests, and as of right now 21 of them are practically guaranteed to succeed. I’d like to see some more being actually hard and with a much higher chance to fail, actually I’d leave most of them as they are now and buff up the actual dragon champions to tequatl level of difficulty, that would leave 3 fights for those that want challenging content and 19 for those that just want to show up and get the loot.

I am a total casual gamer. I usually don’t play more than 4 or 5 hours a week. I was able to get my Teq wings and do all the Teq achievements for the title (minus jump the huge wave). I have played him roughly 8 times and beat him probably 5.

I don’t have great armor or weapons on my warrior. I have what the game has given me. I haven’t crafted or bought any that I am wearing or using. I think that my boots are green but I know for sure my leggings are. The rest of my armor is rare. I use that pact greatsword (rare) and the Arc longbow (exotic). I couldn’t tell you what type they are for sure, some are carrion and others are even berserker (I know it is a big no-no for this fight but it is the best I got, sorry). The last 4 fights I have done I haven’t been all the way dead once.

I love this event.

As a casual gamer, I get it. Not all content is for me and I am okay with that. I am not paying a subscription so it is fine. I didn’t even enter SAB. I wasn’t my cup of tea. There is plenty of other stuff for me to work on in the game.

I don’t get why people are so up in arms and ready to quit the game because they don’t like the way one thing was done. I don’t think it is perfect and there are things that could be done differently but in my mind that is no reason to light up the torches and grab the pitchforks.

Drew Blood.1586:

I don’t have great armor or weapons on my warrior. I have what the game has given me. I haven’t crafted or bought any that I am wearing or using. I think that my boots are green but I know for sure my leggings are. The rest of my armor is rare. I use that pact greatsword (rare) and the Arc longbow (exotic). I couldn’t tell you what type they are for sure, some are carrion and others are even berserker (I know it is a big no-no for this fight but it is the best I got, sorry). The last 4 fights I have done I haven’t been all the way dead once.

Then you must thank your luck, that apparently majority of the players that did the killing weren’t as casual as you, or you would likely have failed.

OP has it wrong. This isn’t about being Casual or Hardcore. Any Casual type player can play and complete this event. Just because you can’t get full achievements, doesn’t mean others can’t.

Drew Blood.1586:

I am a total casual gamer. I usually don’t play more than 4 or 5 hours a week. I was able to get my Teq wings and do all the Teq achievements for the title (minus jump the huge wave). I have played him roughly 8 times and beat him probably 5.

I don’t have great armor or weapons on my warrior. I have what the game has given me. I haven’t crafted or bought any that I am wearing or using. I think that my boots are green but I know for sure my leggings are. The rest of my armor is rare. I use that pact greatsword (rare) and the Arc longbow (exotic). I couldn’t tell you what type they are for sure, some are carrion and others are even berserker (I know it is a big no-no for this fight but it is the best I got, sorry). The last 4 fights I have done I haven’t been all the way dead once.

I love this event.

As a casual gamer, I get it. Not all content is for me and I am okay with that. I am not paying a subscription so it is fine. I didn’t even enter SAB. I wasn’t my cup of tea. There is plenty of other stuff for me to work on in the game.

I don’t get why people are so up in arms and ready to quit the game because they don’t like the way one thing was done. I don’t think it is perfect and there are things that could be done differently but in my mind that is no reason to light up the torches and grab the pitchforks.

You’re patting yourself on the back for something you didn’t actually do. It wasn’t you that won, it was the groups you happened to be with that won. If you had gotten in 8 different groups, after waiting an hour or two, and these groups failed as most groups do then maybe you would be seeing what others are complaining about.

I have tried and tried and tried all I can say is the more you try and fail at this the quicker this whole fight becomes a wasted game. I for one hate the fact that it has a time limit i hate having to rush around to get things done before the time runs out that’s how mistakes are made. Fair enough the game mechanics are OK ‘ish but there are too many things that can cause the event to fail and that to me just isn’t fun when you spend so much time waiting around to try get this thing done. Just so you know my main is a ranger (since Necromancers got killed) and I am being blasted because I have a berserker bow (Zojja’s Greatbow) and full Melandru armor this fight really brings out the negative side of the GW2 community in Aurora Glade server and I am getting sick and tired of having to be put through the abuse from these players my Suggestion would be to simply Remove the timer and the conditions of which to beat him for example the megalaser gets destroyed.

Finn Quicke.9561:

Guild Wars 1 and earlier added content in this game offered a lot for casual gamers. All titles were eventually obtainable. Arenanet seems to have gone down a different road now with this Tequatl redesign in favor of content requiring high numbers of players and coordination to complete.

GW2 offers a lot of casual content, and if you recall GW1 also had areas for non-casual player in the form of Underworld, Fissure of Woe, The Deep, Urgoz Warren, and the Tomb of the Primeval Kings, to name a few. These took a coordinated group effort and specific builds/weapons to accomplish. Old GW1 players and other “non-casual” players still look for this kind of content and now they have it with the new Tequatl.

It is not required to do, and the rewards are nothing special so if you don’t think it is for you…don’t do it. Armor and weapon gear is not as important if you know what you are doing and play smart, but take the time to bring skills that help the group not just yourself and change traits as needed…ie remove/lower points in precision and crit for now and add toughness and vitality (fast, cheap, and easy to do).

For the other person complaining, you can get dragonite fragments from any other world boss and WvW. To me a “casual” player is not worried about dragonite fragments needed to reach 500 in crafting though.

Astral Projections.7320:

Drew Blood.1586:

I am a total casual gamer. I usually don’t play more than 4 or 5 hours a week. I was able to get my Teq wings and do all the Teq achievements for the title (minus jump the huge wave). I have played him roughly 8 times and beat him probably 5.

I don’t have great armor or weapons on my warrior. I have what the game has given me. I haven’t crafted or bought any that I am wearing or using. I think that my boots are green but I know for sure my leggings are. The rest of my armor is rare. I use that pact greatsword (rare) and the Arc longbow (exotic). I couldn’t tell you what type they are for sure, some are carrion and others are even berserker (I know it is a big no-no for this fight but it is the best I got, sorry). The last 4 fights I have done I haven’t been all the way dead once.

I love this event.

As a casual gamer, I get it. Not all content is for me and I am okay with that. I am not paying a subscription so it is fine. I didn’t even enter SAB. I wasn’t my cup of tea. There is plenty of other stuff for me to work on in the game.

I don’t get why people are so up in arms and ready to quit the game because they don’t like the way one thing was done. I don’t think it is perfect and there are things that could be done differently but in my mind that is no reason to light up the torches and grab the pitchforks.

You’re patting yourself on the back for something you didn’t actually do. It wasn’t you that won, it was the groups you happened to be with that won. If you had gotten in 8 different groups, after waiting an hour or two, and these groups failed as most groups do then maybe you would be seeing what others are complaining about.

The ones that I failed were the first two days when nobody knew what they were doing and I was in an overflow on my own server with less than a 100 people. I don’t die. I am good enough to jump 90% of the waves, which seems to be the biggest kill of the zerg. I am accurate with the Ice Bows that are dropped. I use an exotic weapon in the ranged zerg so the DPS is decent, could be better but is good enough. I get quite a few kills when defending the batteries.

To say that I am just riding coattails is incorrect.

Edit: after rereading your comment, I may have misunderstood you. The biggest part of the challenge is making sure that you are with the correct group that puts you in the best position to win. That is the reason why I joined TTS. To make sure I was in a group that was dedicated to beating Teq. They aren’t arrogant hardcore jerks or whiny casuals (which seems to be the too labels). They are cool have are willing to invest time to teach others how to do it.

Astral Projections.7320:

Drew Blood.1586:

I am a total casual gamer. I usually don’t play more than 4 or 5 hours a week. I was able to get my Teq wings and do all the Teq achievements for the title (minus jump the huge wave). I have played him roughly 8 times and beat him probably 5.

I don’t have great armor or weapons on my warrior. I have what the game has given me. I haven’t crafted or bought any that I am wearing or using. I think that my boots are green but I know for sure my leggings are. The rest of my armor is rare. I use that pact greatsword (rare) and the Arc longbow (exotic). I couldn’t tell you what type they are for sure, some are carrion and others are even berserker (I know it is a big no-no for this fight but it is the best I got, sorry). The last 4 fights I have done I haven’t been all the way dead once.

I love this event.

As a casual gamer, I get it. Not all content is for me and I am okay with that. I am not paying a subscription so it is fine. I didn’t even enter SAB. I wasn’t my cup of tea. There is plenty of other stuff for me to work on in the game.

I don’t get why people are so up in arms and ready to quit the game because they don’t like the way one thing was done. I don’t think it is perfect and there are things that could be done differently but in my mind that is no reason to light up the torches and grab the pitchforks.

You’re patting yourself on the back for something you didn’t actually do. It wasn’t you that won, it was the groups you happened to be with that won. If you had gotten in 8 different groups, after waiting an hour or two, and these groups failed as most groups do then maybe you would be seeing what others are complaining about.

Exactly, killing Tequatl requires coordination and teamwork, which is why I decided not to get in 8 different groups (as you put it) waiting for hours in different overflows or in regular maps to see the event fail because of AFK players or people that didn’t knew what to do… instead I took the initiative to seek and joined a group that was coordinating and working together (in my case it was the TTS guild).

As every has said already, the Tequatl fight isn’t THAT hard, but it does require coordination, teamwork and being lucky enough to be on a group that has both… and well, the community has ralied together and created ways to overcome the need for luck in that sense, there are hassle free anyone-can-join organized groups doing the fight and preparing for future hard content that might come our way… now it’s up to each individual whether they take the initiative to seek those groups, stay in random maps complaining or just avoiding any harder content (there’s still, plenty of easy content… actually too much too easy, IMHO).

Yeah, I usually spend about an hour but usually a little less in Sparkfly waiting but I use that time to finish map completion and work on my dailies.

I don’t get what all the complaints are about coordination. You need 6 people on turrets (who know what they are doing), a small handful to guard each turret location, and the rest join the zerg. If you don’t know where to go ask in map or the easy default is join the zerg.

The afk players can screw things up.

The main issue with this event for “casuals” is the crap needed for participation. I don’t consider myself a casual player and I try to minmax my stuff as much as I can, but I feel really strongly that this event is utter kitten when it comes to convenience of access. Many people, myself included, really don’t feel like joining a special guild with a gazillion ppl and hanging out with hundreds of ppl on TS all day long just to kill one freaking boss that is completely impossible to do otherwise.

That said, I play on desolation, the server which has the highest number of teq kills EU, and I still haven’t been able to get out of overflow in sparkly fen once.

Is the event hard? Honestly no idea, never got to an overflow good enough to do more than just hit it a few times then afk for the achievement. But it’s definitely poorly executed. Such open world encounters shouldn’t have such restricted accessibility in order to succeed. That’s what instanced raids are for. And if it was like that I would have 0 problems with it being as hard as possible. Hell after a certain update in a certain mmo on “A” I was persistent as kitten to kill the then-new bad mad hard kitten dragon Tiamat with my legion. But the thing is – as hard as that content was until ppl learned to do it properly, it was all instanced. As should this kind of gw2 content be.

Instead of recycling old dragons it would be far better to just create instanced raid zones with new epic bosses, but that’s asking too much I guess.