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I believe that is the general concept behind the characters. They are the new Destiny’s Edge. Marjory, Kasmeer, Rox, Braham.. we just need a couple new pieces to the puzzle. Hopefully Hobo-Tron will be added into the group.

But where is Kiel?

Jeffonna.2619:

But where is Kiel?

Busy with politics in LA.

I still think it was useless to elect her. I know it may be useful for later but come on.

lordkrall.7241:

Jeffonna.2619:

But where is Kiel?

Busy with politics in LA.

“Politics” Riiiight. XD
So far her biggest decision here seems to be if she’s going to have another beer. Why else would she always be at the bar?

All the captains are in the bar. They do politics there… among other… stuff.

I instantly loved this update…why?

Kasmeer and Marjory that’s why!

I love both characters! they have an amazing back story and their appearances are stunning. My favorite about them is the skills they have. When they fight and use the different skills, the visual effects and movement is amazing. i love how they dont have the default NPC hack and slash animation.

The main thing is that they actually have distinct personalities.

I thought there was a story behind the disappearances in Divinity’s Reach that these two were going to uncover.

Kasmeer: This festival reminds me of when I was little, and my father and I used to go to the carnival in Divinity’s Reach.
Player: Does your father still live in Divinity’s Reach?
Kasmeer: No. He’s…He’s gone. My mother died when I was young, and my father…He was taken earlier this year.
Player: You must miss him.
Kasmeer: I miss the man who used to hold my hand at the carnival, yes. But, let’s not talk about that. It’s too nice a day!

Marjory’s reason for leaving the Ministry Guard was the boy that was murdered and the cover up.

Somehow there was some other story happening at the time (or so little story happening at the time) that made me think there was trend of missing people going on in Divinty’s Reach. I thought Kasmeer’s father was tied up in that and the two were going to be relevant in the story as we exposed that. Looking at it again it looks like I’ve minsterpreted vague back story as hints of a future story.

It sounds more like Kasmeer’s father was not taken by kidnappers or an evil faction but rather taken as in killed. She doesn’t sound too upset that he’s gone, with some sort of implication that he was a less than lovable man towards the end of his days and (reading into and and speculating a lot) Kasmeer may have even had a hand in his death.

I was excited by Kasmeer when I had mistakenly imagined she was was investigating some big mystery. Turns out I misread her vague backstory instead and her purpose for being in the story is non-existent up until now.

I don’t want to see more characters wedged into the story through some kind of convenient plot device. Suddenly out of nowhere Kasmeer is a master mesmer. Why? Because a giant veil appeared in the middle of Kryta and Anise – who is known to be a powerful mesmer and was active beyond her role as the Queen’s Bodyguard in the personal story – decided to ignore it. They decided Kasmeer is now a notable mesmer simply to shoehorn her into this story. Why didn’t Anise or even someone from Divinity’s Reach get involved in the situation?

Something that Destiny’s Edge does better than the Living Story cast is their characters have reasons for having a thumb in every pie. Rytlock is a Tribune, Logan is captain of the Seraph, Caithe is a firstborn, Zojja is the apprentice of a genius inventor and Eir’s legend is one of the most impressive of the current generation of norn (and was before GW2 began if we go off of Braham’s story). That is all in addition to their status as Destiny’s Edge – the first to kill an elder dragon champion in 250 years (since it was done in GW1). When kitten goes down, they will often be involved simply because of their positions in their respective races, but we also want them around because they are Destiny’s freaking Edge.

Why do we want Kasmeer around? She’s a master mesmer. Is she going to become a master of something else next time she’s in the story? How many times are we going to need a detective or master of poisons before they create another thing for Marjory to be good at? Rox is a lackey for Rytlock. She had a weak reason for being involved with Tequatl (and it has no story depth to it which is partially why her involvement with the Tequatl Rising patch wasn’t very interesting). Braham is unusual in that he’s a norn and norn can honestly be wherever they want to be (although why we’d care is another story). Kiel is the only one who has moved to the level of Destiny’s Edge and to be honest, when were the Captain’s Council ever relevant prior to the assassination attempt? I guess she has an air ship now (too bad she doesn’t have an interesting bone in her body).

I want characters to be relevant to the story because it makes sense, not because of magic plot developments (Scarlet acquires the obelisk shards out of nowhere, Kasmeer is suddenly a powerful mesmer). I don’t think the current Living Story cast are prominent enough in Tyria to make sense as people who keep turning up without lots of convenient plot devices which weaken the overall story.

Side note: Anyone else think that Kasmeer and Marjory are lovers? I say so because of:

Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you.
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.

Marjory Delaqua: You did your bit, Kas. Go on back to Divinity’s Reach where it’s safer.
Kasmeer Meade: You’re sweet, but I couldn’t leave you here alone.
Marjory Delaqua: I’ll be fine, cupcake. Go on now.
Kasmeer Meade: Mmm, I don’t think so. I would, but to be honest I’m itching to see what’s in that tower. I think I’ll stay.
Marjory Delaqua: Hm. If you insist.

(Marjory calls her “cupcake” – though Jory does seem quick on endearing nicknames, she only calls Kasmeer such, as well as “Kas”)

(less so)

Kasmeer Meade: Marjory?
Marjory Delaqua: Yes?
Kasmeer Meade: If we don’t make it out…
Marjory Delaqua: We will. Promise.

Then there was how Kasmeer says the final line in:

Kasmeer Meade: The moment they break into the tower, we should head down there.
Marjory Delaqua: What’s your hurry? Let them clear it out a bit first.
Kasmeer Meade: This whole place has mesmer magic woven through it. I don’t want to miss a single thing.
Marjory Delaqua: I see. Curiousity killed the cat, you know?
Kasmeer Meade: Meeeow!

And just their overall conversational tone. Kind of makes me wonder if there’s more than just “business partners” and “friends” between them… Which would prove to be an interesting plot development with potential.

What potential though?

Jennah and Logan’s relationship is relevant to the story because she’s the Queen. Any suitor of hers is a potential ruler of Kryta (and for as long as she is single with no heir, Kryta’s leadership passes onto someone else). There are major political ramifications to her relationship status. They’ve also played off of Logan’s relationship and how it conflicts with his job.

Braham’s relationship was a throw away motivation to have him involved with Flame and Frost (and it wasn’t necessary either – he could have easily justified it as save his fellow villagers). Rescue the captured partner? Done. Caithe and Faolain also have the whole non-traditional couple story covered. Despite that, it rarely feels important to the world of Tyria, mostly just as a reason to explore the sylvari culture and concept of love.

For the most part, there isn’t a lot of room for relationships in the story unless they are central to the plot or a story that needs to be told. The only reason I could think of Marjory and Kasmeer’s “relationship” (so far they are pulling a Xena) being relevant to the plot without recycling what has been done before is if one of them were killed by Scarlet (or another) creating a personal vendetta for that character and a real reason for being involved in future Living Story chapters.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Side note: Anyone else think that Kasmeer and Marjory are lovers? I say so because of:

Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you.
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.

Marjory Delaqua: You did your bit, Kas. Go on back to Divinity’s Reach where it’s safer.
Kasmeer Meade: You’re sweet, but I couldn’t leave you here alone.
Marjory Delaqua: I’ll be fine, cupcake. Go on now.
Kasmeer Meade: Mmm, I don’t think so. I would, but to be honest I’m itching to see what’s in that tower. I think I’ll stay.
Marjory Delaqua: Hm. If you insist.

(Marjory calls her “cupcake” – though Jory does seem quick on endearing nicknames, she only calls Kasmeer such, as well as “Kas”)

(less so)

Kasmeer Meade: Marjory?
Marjory Delaqua: Yes?
Kasmeer Meade: If we don’t make it out…
Marjory Delaqua: We will. Promise.

Then there was how Kasmeer says the final line in:

Kasmeer Meade: The moment they break into the tower, we should head down there.
Marjory Delaqua: What’s your hurry? Let them clear it out a bit first.
Kasmeer Meade: This whole place has mesmer magic woven through it. I don’t want to miss a single thing.
Marjory Delaqua: I see. Curiousity killed the cat, you know?
Kasmeer Meade: Meeeow!

And just their overall conversational tone. Kind of makes me wonder if there’s more than just “business partners” and “friends” between them… Which would prove to be an interesting plot development with potential.

On reddit someone post a convo that was in the data but not in the game. They were talking about picking out curtains. It really seems all but officially confirmed now that they are a couple.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Side note: Anyone else think that Kasmeer and Marjory are lovers? I say so because of:

Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you.
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.

Marjory Delaqua: You did your bit, Kas. Go on back to Divinity’s Reach where it’s safer.
Kasmeer Meade: You’re sweet, but I couldn’t leave you here alone.
Marjory Delaqua: I’ll be fine, cupcake. Go on now.
Kasmeer Meade: Mmm, I don’t think so. I would, but to be honest I’m itching to see what’s in that tower. I think I’ll stay.
Marjory Delaqua: Hm. If you insist.

(Marjory calls her “cupcake” – though Jory does seem quick on endearing nicknames, she only calls Kasmeer such, as well as “Kas”)

(less so)

Kasmeer Meade: Marjory?
Marjory Delaqua: Yes?
Kasmeer Meade: If we don’t make it out…
Marjory Delaqua: We will. Promise.

Then there was how Kasmeer says the final line in:

Kasmeer Meade: The moment they break into the tower, we should head down there.
Marjory Delaqua: What’s your hurry? Let them clear it out a bit first.
Kasmeer Meade: This whole place has mesmer magic woven through it. I don’t want to miss a single thing.
Marjory Delaqua: I see. Curiousity killed the cat, you know?
Kasmeer Meade: Meeeow!

And just their overall conversational tone. Kind of makes me wonder if there’s more than just “business partners” and “friends” between them… Which would prove to be an interesting plot development with potential.

Yep yep. I noticed it in the other thread asking about their working relationship and came to this conclusion. It was already kinda hinted when you talked to them in the Dead End, but now it seems all but confirmed.

I would follow Kasmeer so much more than Trahearne

Shiren.9532:

What potential though?

Jennah and Logan’s relationship is relevant to the story because she’s the Queen. Any suitor of hers is a potential ruler of Kryta (and for as long as she is single with no heir, Kryta’s leadership passes onto someone else). There are major political ramifications to her relationship status. They’ve also played off of Logan’s relationship and how it conflicts with his job.

Braham’s relationship was a throw away motivation to have him involved with Flame and Frost (and it wasn’t necessary either – he could have easily justified it as save his fellow villagers). Rescue the captured partner? Done. Caithe and Faolain also have the whole non-traditional couple story covered. Despite that, it rarely feels important to the world of Tyria, mostly just as a reason to explore the sylvari culture and concept of love.

For the most part, there isn’t a lot of room for relationships in the story unless they are central to the plot or a story that needs to be told. The only reason I could think of Marjory and Kasmeer’s “relationship” (so far they are pulling a Xena) being relevant to the plot without recycling what has been done before is if one of them were killed by Scarlet (or another) creating a personal vendetta for that character and a real reason for being involved in future Living Story chapters.

Jennah and Logan cannot have much progression in their relationship both due to lore reasons as well as the involvement in the personal story and dungeon stories. Same goes for Caithe and Faolain, really. Marjory and Kasmeer only exist in the Living Story thus the Living Story can produce an actual plot with them rather than “it is here, there are side-effects” – for example, what if one of them does die when the tower is breached?

LoganxJennah and CaithexFaolain cannot have that. Hell, because of the whole PS/LS disconnection, they cannot even further the bromance between Rytlock and Logan as one could have seen that both of Logan’s relations with Jennah and Rytlock are effectively deadlocked during Queen’s Jubilee. There was no progression and Anet went out of their way to make it unclear whether or not things were cleared up between Logan and Rytlock.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

- for example, what if one of them does die when the tower is breached?

That’s what I’m kinda afraid of. It’s like in all the war movies. The guy who always talks about his girl at home, or that they will all make it back, always gets picked off by a sniper of something. It doesn’t help my imagination at all knowing that Scarlet in going to be in the next patch, and she has had sniper training in the past…

I’m afraid Anet might actually make Scarlet do something villain-ish (the irony, I know), like kill off a liked character.

As much as I like Marjory and Kasmeer, making Scarlet an actual villain by allowing her to kill one of them would probably the best thing to happen to the Living Story.

BobbyStein.2315:

nopoet.2960:

I think it is important to write failure into the living story itself. It’s kind of there now but in a half kitten way. We didn’t get Scarlet but we didn’t really lose anything either. Let’s say she was successful in her assassination attempt of the queen. Immediately you have a power vacuum needing to be filed. We already have powerful human actors on the edges that would love to either cease control or toss it off. Second, the player would want revenge. Third how would the char react… some would definitely see it as an opportunity. Fourth, with the human nation distracted centaurs and bandits will have greater freedom to take land so they have to be fought back… and so on and so forth.

That’s among the many things we discussed doing, but we currently have technical limitations preventing us from making such a drastic change because it would break Personal Story dependencies. Until we have a system in place that separates the timelines of the Personal Story and Living World stories we are limited in the kinds of changes we can show in the open world.

I don’t understand this stance at all (Queen Jennah exists solely in instances, several of which take place in the past – every time you do an explorable instance of a dungeon, the Story Mode has completed) but he’s said they can’t kill Jennah because she’s in the Personal Story (I disagree, to do it that way would freeze almost the entire world and never advance most of the biggest plots in Tyria – an incredibly ironic decision in a game with a “Living Story”). Having said that, Marjory and Kasmeer are immune to this, as Konig pointed out, because they are Living Story exclusives. They haven’t been around long enough for their deaths to have the impact that Jennah’s would but it would give some real consequence to Scarlet’s actions.

@Konig I only bring up the other relationships in Tyria not because I want them to develop, but because I wanted to point out that they had reasons for being in the story. This is a fantasy MMO, not Gossip Girl.

You’re wrong, Shiren. The best thing that could happen to the Living Story is the complete and utter removal of Scarlet and all her dealings and involvement with the world, making them fully non-canon.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Side note: Anyone else think that Kasmeer and Marjory are lovers? I say so because of:

Marjory Delaqua: I’ve been thinking about Scarlet.
Kasmeer Meade: She can’t have you.
Marjory Delaqua: She’s behind all these crazy alliances. I’d rest my reputation on…wait. What did you say?
Kasmeer Meade: (laugh) I think you’re right. She has all the landmarks of a blooming psycho hag.

Marjory Delaqua: You did your bit, Kas. Go on back to Divinity’s Reach where it’s safer.
Kasmeer Meade: You’re sweet, but I couldn’t leave you here alone.
Marjory Delaqua: I’ll be fine, cupcake. Go on now.
Kasmeer Meade: Mmm, I don’t think so. I would, but to be honest I’m itching to see what’s in that tower. I think I’ll stay.
Marjory Delaqua: Hm. If you insist.

(Marjory calls her “cupcake” – though Jory does seem quick on endearing nicknames, she only calls Kasmeer such, as well as “Kas”)

(less so)

Kasmeer Meade: Marjory?
Marjory Delaqua: Yes?
Kasmeer Meade: If we don’t make it out…
Marjory Delaqua: We will. Promise.

Then there was how Kasmeer says the final line in:

Kasmeer Meade: The moment they break into the tower, we should head down there.
Marjory Delaqua: What’s your hurry? Let them clear it out a bit first.
Kasmeer Meade: This whole place has mesmer magic woven through it. I don’t want to miss a single thing.
Marjory Delaqua: I see. Curiousity killed the cat, you know?
Kasmeer Meade: Meeeow!

And just their overall conversational tone. Kind of makes me wonder if there’s more than just “business partners” and “friends” between them… Which would prove to be an interesting plot development with potential.

I’d ship it.

Everyone! To the Tumblrmobile!

Shiren.9532:

As much as I like Marjory and Kasmeer, making Scarlet an actual villain by allowing her to kill one of them would probably the best thing to happen to the Living Story.

No. After all the deaths in the Personal Story, I’d rather not have it becoming a trend in the Living Story. The only character that needs to die is that invasive weed.

I would say it’s too early to kill Marjory or Kasmeer off. We haven’t developed enough interest in them yet. The PS ruined killing NPC deaths in that they barely had meaningful deaths – I can only think of three deaths that mattered in the full PS. Four if you’re human street and killed Quinn. The three being mentor, the Whispers agent who’s name I cannot recall ATM in the Whispers’ invasion plan into Orr, and Tegwen (but really, only if you did sylvari Act with Wisdom).

The deaths I can recall:

-Your mentor (Forgal/Seiran/Tybalt) at Claw Island. (the one everyone remembers)

-Demolitionist Tonn, if the fear you chose was of someone dying because of you.

-Lionguard/Crusader Apatia, if your fear was of someone suffering because of you.

-Explorer Hekja, if you choose to attack the Mouth directly.

-Tegwen (as Konig Des Todes said, it’s especially personal for a sylvari that picked Act With Wisdom) in the Vigil path when invading Orr.

-Explorer Kekt, if you choose the Priory Path.

-Arda Gyreshriek, at the end of the Priory Path.

-Agent Zott, right at the end of the Whisper Path (sniped by the last boss of that path, no less.)

-Havroun Grechen in Against the Corruption.

The sad thing is that most of those characters get just enough time for you to become interested in them, and then they’re killed off (Forgal/Seiran/Tybalt, Tonn, Zott, and Apatia come to mind especially so).

On top of that, even if you don’t pick the paths/missions for the that lead to the deaths of certain characters, they still don’t show up in the rest of the Personal Story, implying that they still died regardless.

Yeah, given ANet’s tendency to kill off every halfway interesting character, I fear for Marjory and Kasmeer’s life, :p

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Side note: Anyone else think that Kasmeer and Marjory are lovers?

I actually dunno if they’re actively lovers or if Kasmeer is actually the crazy “stalker” (not the word I want but the real word is eluding me). Actually hearing the convo, I got the feeling that while there’s genuine affection there, Marjory seemed a bit oblivious of Kasmeer’s feelings of possessiveness.

At any rate, it was an interesting exchange.

actually what would be nice if something bad happened to one of them. People do like them and it would add to the emotion of the story.

Somehting like one of them gets corrupted then you have to do a few quests to break the corruption

Actually, what would be nice is if the invasive weed finally died or just vanished without any trace and was simply forgotten.

Killing/corrupting one or both of them soon into the story would just repeat what the Personal Story did with killing characters off, and then we’d stop caring eventually.

Also, seeing as an ancient Forgotten ritual is pretty much the only thing we know of that breaks one’s mind free of corruption, unless we have that on hand without needing the altar in Arah, being corrupted is pretty much irreversible. So…not sure how a few quests to break it would work at all.

So no. Keeping them alive and well is actually better right now.

Nilkemia.8507:

The deaths I can recall:

-Your mentor (Forgal/Seiran/Tybalt) at Claw Island. (the one everyone remembers)

-Demolitionist Tonn, if the fear you chose was of someone dying because of you.

-Lionguard/Crusader Apatia, if your fear was of someone suffering because of you.

-Explorer Hekja, if you choose to attack the Mouth directly.

-Tegwen (as Konig Des Todes said, it’s especially personal for a sylvari that picked Act With Wisdom) in the Vigil path when invading Orr.

-Explorer Kekt, if you choose the Priory Path.

-Arda Gyreshriek, at the end of the Priory Path.

-Agent Zott, right at the end of the Whisper Path (sniped by the last boss of that path, no less.)

-Havroun Grechen in Against the Corruption.

The sad thing is that most of those characters get just enough time for you to become interested in them, and then they’re killed off (Forgal/Seiran/Tybalt, Tonn, Zott, and Apatia come to mind especially so).

On top of that, even if you don’t pick the paths/missions for the that lead to the deaths of certain characters, they still don’t show up in the rest of the Personal Story, implying that they still died regardless.

Thanks for the Spoilers!!!!!!!!

:p

5 lvl 80’s and still haven’t completed the personal story lol

Erukk.1408:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

- for example, what if one of them does die when the tower is breached?

That’s what I’m kinda afraid of. It’s like in all the war movies. The guy who always talks about his girl at home, or that they will all make it back, always gets picked off by a sniper of something. It doesn’t help my imagination at all knowing that Scarlet in going to be in the next patch, and she has had sniper training in the past…

I’m afraid Anet might actually make Scarlet do something villain-ish (the irony, I know), like kill off a liked character.

Of course she has sniper training. She has training in literally everything else.

Don’t worry. She only used it once in Queen’s Jubilee and still missed.

Delvoire.8930:

Thanks for the Spoilers!!!!!!!!

:p

5 lvl 80’s and still haven’t completed the personal story lol

Whoops. Guess I should’ve spoiler tagged it…oh well. I suffered to save many.

Delvoire.8930:

I believe that is the general concept behind the characters. They are the new Destiny’s Edge. Marjory, Kasmeer, Rox, Braham.. we just need a couple new pieces to the puzzle.

This is what I’m hoping as well. It would be great to see them begin to interact with each other over the course of a few living story updates, maybe in 6 months to a year they’ve become a fully-fledged group.

Talonblaze.3175:

lordkrall.7241:

Jeffonna.2619:

But where is Kiel?

Busy with politics in LA.

“Politics” Riiiight. XD
So far her biggest decision here seems to be if she’s going to have another beer. Why else would she always be at the bar?

Well, lorewise, that bar is the center of the executive (and technically legislative as well) power of LA. The city is ruled by the captain’s councils, according to the seas of sorrow novel the rules to join are that you must be a captain (which is why Magnus gave Kiel control of the captured aetherblade airship so she could become a captain), pay the joining fee (which goes towards LA’s treasury) and be voted favorably by the current captains in the council, and when the captains meet they do it in that particular bar.

I love both characters, but I’m getting the strong impression that in Tyria there are far more heroes of the female type than there are male. Is it because the woman care more about the safety of the planet, or is it to off-balance the number of male PC characters running around? O.o

It might be because i am playing the new batman right now, however…
What if Kashmeer dies at the hand of Scarlet (Bobby mentioned the possibility of failure) and Majory vows to pledge her life to become a force to hunt her down and bring her to justice…
She allready is an detective as far as i am concerned.

Nah, just some random thoughts haha

Out of all the living stories to date, I love Marjory and Kasmeer the most (cetainly hope neither one of them gets killed off!). Marjory’s voice is just too sexy to be removed from game.

Oh, and I’d sure like to see an official confirmation that they are lovers! Or at least a progression to that, A snarky necro and a cheery mesmer…think of all the potential fanfiction and fanarts!

Then again, relationship between females can be utterly intimate yet non-sexual or of a romantic nature. Calling each other pet names is not a rare concurrence especially between girls who are close. Kasmeer could just be worried about losing her friend if anything should happen (whether loss by way of death or to a psychotic salad), and Marjory could just simply enjoy having her company wherever she goes (and also, always good to have a mesmer around, hohoho!)

We all know why you want to see Kasmeer stay around.

/wink.

Jaken.6801:

It might be because i am playing the new batman right now, however…
What if Kashmeer dies at the hand of Scarlet (Bobby mentioned the possibility of failure) and Majory vows to pledge her life to become a force to hunt her down and bring her to justice…
She allready is an detective as far as i am concerned.

Nah, just some random thoughts haha

That’s what I’m hoping for atm (or have Marjory go down – seeing Kasmeer drop her cheerful persona to turn into a vengeful dark force could be interesting). I agree with Konig that they haven’t been around long enough for some heavy attachment to take place (it also seems strange to design armour for her only to kill her off first) but Scarlet has moved into Team Rocket territory when it comes to inconsequential villain. People dislike her because they think she’s a bad character, not because she does evil things. Killing a character we like would give this shark back its teeth. Currently we all expect Scarlet to fail at doing anything meaningful or be threatening at all, if her arc is to end any time soon (or if it’s going to be entertaining as a villain) she needs to have a win somewhere. Braham and Rox are back too, so it could be one of them. Their friendship seems similair to Marjory and Kasmeer and one of their deaths would likely motivate the other (and would likely ripple onto Eir and Rytlock).

I wonder if Braham has immunity because of Eir’s involvement in the Personal Story. Losing her son would be one of the most notable moments of her life, I don’t think they could pretend it happened during the personal story without recognising it.The Queen’s Speech was a let down. It was Scarlet’s chance to make an impact and live up to her backstory and she failed to deliver. Every appearance since then has been getting worse.

Scarlet needs a win to be a threat, something the players care about. If they can’t kill personal story characters (like the Queen, Logan or Farren) and her one big world changing appearance was when Divinity’s Reach got even more beautiful, their options are limited.

Think of the alternative. We climb the tower, defeat the Toxic alliance and wait for the next appearance of Scarlet’s lucky dip of evil factions and the random motivations they give to Living Story cast to participate this month. Does that sound particularly interesting to you?

Jaken.6801:

It might be because i am playing the new batman right now, however…
What if Kashmeer dies at the hand of Scarlet (Bobby mentioned the possibility of failure) and Majory vows to pledge her life to become a force to hunt her down and bring her to justice…
She allready is an detective as far as i am concerned.

Nah, just some random thoughts haha

In this Scenario… does Marjory then start dressing up like a bat?

Delvoire.8930:

Jaken.6801:

It might be because i am playing the new batman right now, however…
What if Kashmeer dies at the hand of Scarlet (Bobby mentioned the possibility of failure) and Majory vows to pledge her life to become a force to hunt her down and bring her to justice…
She allready is an detective as far as i am concerned.

Nah, just some random thoughts haha

In this Scenario… does Marjory then start dressing up like a bat?

It’d go from a Noire-themed character to THEGODkitten BATGUY.

I really would prefer we kept the Noire character.

Shiren.9532:

I thought there was a story behind the disappearances in Divinity’s Reach that these two were going to uncover.

Kasmeer: This festival reminds me of when I was little, and my father and I used to go to the carnival in Divinity’s Reach.
Player: Does your father still live in Divinity’s Reach?
Kasmeer: No. He’s…He’s gone. My mother died when I was young, and my father…He was taken earlier this year.
Player: You must miss him.
Kasmeer: I miss the man who used to hold my hand at the carnival, yes. But, let’s not talk about that. It’s too nice a day!

Marjory’s reason for leaving the Ministry Guard was the boy that was murdered and the cover up.

Somehow there was some other story happening at the time (or so little story happening at the time) that made me think there was trend of missing people going on in Divinty’s Reach. I thought Kasmeer’s father was tied up in that and the two were going to be relevant in the story as we exposed that. Looking at it again it looks like I’ve minsterpreted vague back story as hints of a future story.

It sounds more like Kasmeer’s father was not taken by kidnappers or an evil faction but rather taken as in killed. She doesn’t sound too upset that he’s gone, with some sort of implication that he was a less than lovable man towards the end of his days and (reading into and and speculating a lot) Kasmeer may have even had a hand in his death.

I was excited by Kasmeer when I had mistakenly imagined she was was investigating some big mystery. Turns out I misread her vague backstory instead and her purpose for being in the story is non-existent up until now.

I don’t want to see more characters wedged into the story through some kind of convenient plot device. Suddenly out of nowhere Kasmeer is a master mesmer. Why? Because a giant veil appeared in the middle of Kryta and Anise – who is known to be a powerful mesmer and was active beyond her role as the Queen’s Bodyguard in the personal story – decided to ignore it. They decided Kasmeer is now a notable mesmer simply to shoehorn her into this story. Why didn’t Anise or even someone from Divinity’s Reach get involved in the situation?

Something that Destiny’s Edge does better than the Living Story cast is their characters have reasons for having a thumb in every pie. Rytlock is a Tribune, Logan is captain of the Seraph, Caithe is a firstborn, Zojja is the apprentice of a genius inventor and Eir’s legend is one of the most impressive of the current generation of norn (and was before GW2 began if we go off of Braham’s story). That is all in addition to their status as Destiny’s Edge – the first to kill an elder dragon champion in 250 years (since it was done in GW1). When kitten goes down, they will often be involved simply because of their positions in their respective races, but we also want them around because they are Destiny’s freaking Edge.

Why do we want Kasmeer around? She’s a master mesmer. Is she going to become a master of something else next time she’s in the story? How many times are we going to need a detective or master of poisons before they create another thing for Marjory to be good at? Rox is a lackey for Rytlock. She had a weak reason for being involved with Tequatl (and it has no story depth to it which is partially why her involvement with the Tequatl Rising patch wasn’t very interesting). Braham is unusual in that he’s a norn and norn can honestly be wherever they want to be (although why we’d care is another story). Kiel is the only one who has moved to the level of Destiny’s Edge and to be honest, when were the Captain’s Council ever relevant prior to the assassination attempt? I guess she has an air ship now (too bad she doesn’t have an interesting bone in her body).

I want characters to be relevant to the story because it makes sense, not because of magic plot developments (Scarlet acquires the obelisk shards out of nowhere, Kasmeer is suddenly a powerful mesmer). I don’t think the current Living Story cast are prominent enough in Tyria to make sense as people who keep turning up without lots of convenient plot devices which weaken the overall story.

The problem with using Anise in any story is that she is involved with the personal story and therefore can’t die. The same is true for the members of Destiny’s Edge. They have to continue in the game world. So, we know nothing is really going to happen to them. This isn’t true of Rox or Braham, Kass or Jory. If one of these people goes missing the player NEEDS to go check on them. Something might happen to them!

Faran being kidnapped by Scarlett wasn’t a big deal since Faran is so very involved in the Human Noble story. But when Marjory calls Kassmere krait bait, well… Things could happen to this pair. We need to be ready to defend them, and that makes me happy.

CeruleanRevolver.6085:

Out of all the living stories to date, I love Marjory and Kasmeer the most (cetainly hope neither one of them gets killed off!). Marjory’s voice is just too sexy to be removed from game.

Oh, and I’d sure like to see an official confirmation that they are lovers! Or at least a progression to that, A snarky necro and a cheery mesmer…think of all the potential fanfiction and fanarts!

Then again, relationship between females can be utterly intimate yet non-sexual or of a romantic nature. Calling each other pet names is not a rare concurrence especially between girls who are close. Kasmeer could just be worried about losing her friend if anything should happen (whether loss by way of death or to a psychotic salad), and Marjory could just simply enjoy having her company wherever she goes (and also, always good to have a mesmer around, hohoho!)

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Rhialto.8423:

CeruleanRevolver.6085:

Out of all the living stories to date, I love Marjory and Kasmeer the most (cetainly hope neither one of them gets killed off!). Marjory’s voice is just too sexy to be removed from game.

Oh, and I’d sure like to see an official confirmation that they are lovers! Or at least a progression to that, A snarky necro and a cheery mesmer…think of all the potential fanfiction and fanarts!

Then again, relationship between females can be utterly intimate yet non-sexual or of a romantic nature. Calling each other pet names is not a rare concurrence especially between girls who are close. Kasmeer could just be worried about losing her friend if anything should happen (whether loss by way of death or to a psychotic salad), and Marjory could just simply enjoy having her company wherever she goes (and also, always good to have a mesmer around, hohoho!)

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Agreed, though I think the dynamic of one reading more into the relationship than is there could be a fun change of pace.

Rhialto.8423:

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Not every pair needs to be lovers, but when the snarky one is calling other one “cupcake” and there is dialogue about them deciding what color their curtains will be then it’s pretty hard to not to see something there.

Rhialto.8423:

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Not every pair of females in this game are lovers.

Also, their dialogue already implies they’re quite close.

So…what’s your problem?

They’re the new Antitoxic Four (Marjory, Kasmeer, Rox and Braham) – of course, Anet won’t kill off Scarlet, they’ll do like GRRM and kill off at least one of our dear hero NPCs first.

panzer.6034:

Rhialto.8423:

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Not every pair needs to be lovers, but when the snarky one is calling other one “cupcake” and there is dialogue about them deciding what color their curtains will be then it’s pretty hard to not to see something there.

I haven’t seen the dialog about curtains, but the other stuff just seems like things really close female friends would say to each other. A close friendship often takes more time to form than a romantic attachment as well, so there’d be more opportunity for story along the way.

Besides, there’s precedence for a Bogart-type character like Marjory making same-sex friendships. Just look at Rick Blaine and Captain Renault in Casablanca. Two dudes who don’t really like each other all that much, but go from having a mutual understanding to a sort of friendship by the end of the movie.

Rhialto.8423:

panzer.6034:

Rhialto.8423:

Please no, not every pair of females in this game has to be lovers. They’re fine the way they are.

Not every pair needs to be lovers, but when the snarky one is calling other one “cupcake” and there is dialogue about them deciding what color their curtains will be then it’s pretty hard to not to see something there.

I haven’t seen the dialog about curtains, but the other stuff just seems like things really close female friends would say to each other. A close friendship often takes more time to form than a romantic attachment as well, so there’d be more opportunity for story along the way.

Besides, there’s precedence for a Bogart-type character like Marjory making same-sex friendships. Just look at Rick Blaine and Captain Renault in Casablanca. Two dudes who don’t really like each other all that much, but go from having a mutual understanding to a sort of friendship by the end of the movie.

romantic attachment can take just as much effort to work too, so depending on how the storywriter plan it out, it can be more interesting. So long as it’s not a Twilight-ish romance, shudders

I’ve never watched Casablanca, but seeing that Kasmeer and Marjory seems pretty comfortable with each other to start off this living story, perhaps the other direction would be to have them become enemies.

Then throw in romance in the mix.

inb4 FaolainXCaithe version human.

I don’t see why not something more than friendship could be developed between them, if storywriters want to torture the minds of speculative players, they could potentially drag it out to a couple more living stories.

There’s no reason for them to become enemies however.

I also want Faren. Lol’d at that latest cutscence. He is good for funny stuff cause he thinks he is great and strong and can protect the women. But then he is weak and needs you to rescue him. Lol.