Guild Wars 2

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

Well, way back at launch (and eve since) people said they wanted more armors and that they’d be willing to buy them from the gemstore if they would simply give us more armors.

We should be more careful what we wish for.

They really need to stop with this black lion bullkitten. Gem armors will sell alot but these skins from the random rng horse kitten of the blacklion chests are is stupid.

Stop making ticket scrap bs anet. People buy your strait up gem skins more then your ticket scrap shiz unless ppl feel very backed into a corner to buy and give in.

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

I’d have to say get use to it, ’cuz thats all they seem to want to do. Sure we maybe get a piece here or there (Scarlet shoulder thing, fused gauntlets) but never a full set. (And does anyone even use the Scarlet shoulder thing?)
Same goes for the weapons, why does it pretty much always have to use those kitten tickets?

I also think it’s dumb, but they keep doing it because it works. I wish it didn’t, but, sadly, it does.

Here’s an idea. You know, if everyone just would stop buying them they would stop putting them behind a gambling screen.

But apparently people are still throwing heaps of cash at this crap, begrudgingly or not, arenanet doesnt care. They’re making bank with this system they got.

I mean come on, 20$ to gamble on getting a skin. And you dont get it! Buuut, you did get 7 scraps… aw, you’re so close now. Dont give up! Buy more chests, get those last scraps, go on.
Another 10$ wont hurt. There you go. Ow by the way, here is a new tier of gear!

Whats that? You want to keep using those skins you spend a lot of money on? No problem! Just buy these transmutation crystals so you can keep using what you already payed for.

And everyone just eats it up.

I can accept gem store skins, you get what you pay for. But about the RNG tickets, hell no, that’s an awful system.

Gem store armor is good, because at least you know what you’re buying.
The kittenty black lion tickets need to go.

skullmount.1758:

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

I’d have to say get use to it, ’cuz thats all they seem to want to do. Sure we maybe get a piece here or there (Scarlet shoulder thing, fused gauntlets) but never a full set. (And does anyone even use the Scarlet shoulder thing?)
Same goes for the weapons, why does it pretty much always have to use those kitten tickets?

Royal weapons during Queen’s Pav, Aetherized Nightmare weapons for TA. Having said that I am very disappointed those weapons aren’t rewards for completing the actual content.

If you don’t expect all new weapon and armor sets to be introduced via the gem store at this point, you haven’t been playing GW2 for over a month. Until we get an expansion (or something that equates to that) we will not see anymore weapons or armor skins added to the game that don’t revolve around RNG boxes, gems, or ca$h.

Such is GW2. I’d say get used to it. Just don’t buy them and urge your friends not to and maybe they’ll take the hint (They won’t – because nobody will stop buying RNG boxes) and stop making EVERY SINGLE NEW ARMOR AND WEAPON SET BE FROM THE GEM STORE.

Xae Isareth.1364:

skullmount.1758:

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

I’d have to say get use to it, ’cuz thats all they seem to want to do. Sure we maybe get a piece here or there (Scarlet shoulder thing, fused gauntlets) but never a full set. (And does anyone even use the Scarlet shoulder thing?)
Same goes for the weapons, why does it pretty much always have to use those kitten tickets?

Royal weapons during Queen’s Pav, Aetherized Nightmare weapons for TA. Having said that I am very disappointed those weapons aren’t rewards for completing the actual content.

Agreed. Remember in GW1 (And other MMOs) how when new weapons were introduced, they were a reward from completing content and overcoming challenges? Dhuums Soul Reaper? Yeah that was a sick reward that you didn’t have to spend any cash on – just had to complete a dungeon and get one to drop for you. Those were the days.

TehPwnerer.7215:

Xae Isareth.1364:

skullmount.1758:

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

I’d have to say get use to it, ’cuz thats all they seem to want to do. Sure we maybe get a piece here or there (Scarlet shoulder thing, fused gauntlets) but never a full set. (And does anyone even use the Scarlet shoulder thing?)
Same goes for the weapons, why does it pretty much always have to use those kitten tickets?

Royal weapons during Queen’s Pav, Aetherized Nightmare weapons for TA. Having said that I am very disappointed those weapons aren’t rewards for completing the actual content.

Agreed. Remember in GW1 (And other MMOs) how when new weapons were introduced, they were a reward from completing content and overcoming challenges? Dhuums Soul Reaper? Yeah that was a sick reward that you didn’t have to spend any cash on – just had to complete a dungeon and get one to drop for you. Those were the days.

You can still do that…. you can get Aetherized Nightmare stuff to drop for you if you do TA. Queen’s Pav weapons were purchasable by Watchworks +10g.

It would be nice if they added new FULL ARMOR SETS to the game that were NOT from the gem store – ZERO new sets since launch (all gem store.)

azurrei.5691:

It would be nice if they added new FULL ARMOR SETS to the game that were NOT from the gem store – ZERO new sets since launch (all gem store.)

^THIS

Who said anything in this thread about grinding?
kitten , NM first post… my bad

I don’t mind the gem store armors. I think they are worth it. but the rng weaps on the other hand… meh…

edit: new armor sets not in gem store would be nice too.

Its not RNG weaps,they will go in TP for 60-80gold…..

I like the fact that we are getting new armor, and it’s about the skin, not the stats. Keeps the game balanced and gives new pretty stuff. You don’t have to grind to buy them, because they are just aesthetic.

I just wish the upcoming ascended armor is changed to look like something as nice as the gem armors, and not the wupwup armors that were leeked.

Nevertheless, I would gladly buy gems for black lion tickets but not for a 10% chance to get 1/10th of a ticket.. I’ll just try buying them directly from TP

The new weapon skins show drop from the new story,not the same old pay for RNG crap.

I don’t see an issue with the armor and for once they look like nice sets. (opinion)

However more data mined RNG dyes, BL skins, which you can save for it you like them but it is still an gamble and or grind gold and buy from TP.

the weapons go up in price after the event ends thats why people complain because no one wants to pay 800 gold for a skin they could easily spend that much trying to get out of a chest

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Well, way back at launch (and eve since) people said they wanted more armors and that they’d be willing to buy them from the gemstore if they would simply give us more armors.

We should be more careful what we wish for.

I’m pretty happy with the new gemstore armors. If ascended armor was out, I’d grab them now and skin up! I’ll probably buy them as soon as I get my ascended.

Terrahero.9358:

Here’s an idea. You know, if everyone just would stop buying them they would stop putting them behind a gambling screen.

sort of.. I think the result would simply be that they’d stop making any armor skins.

Deth.4109:

the weapons go up in price after the event ends thats why people complain because no one wants to pay 800 gold for a skin they could easily spend that much trying to get out of a chest

There is 1 weapon skin that is 800 gold and the set it came from (which are all the previous Halloween skins) did not use the same system we have now with the tickets.
As of now the most expensive weapon skin that uses this method is 390 gold. It needs 7 tickets and has some of the best fiery particle effect in game for weapons. The only reason it’s that expensive is because combine the 7 ticket price plus all the 13 years old kids want it.

So even taking the most expensive and most “traditionally” visually pleasing weapon in an MMO (Ever since MMO’s were invented anything with fire coming out of it was overhyped). a 400 gold price tag which rivals Volcanus is fair in my opinion. And this is, once again, going by the most expensive weapon available that is using the current ticket system. Looking at all the other skins that use the same system the price drops significantly to an average of less 200 gold for a skin. Again this is all considerably cheaper than all the other MF recipe exotic weapons.

So your point is completely invalid for using a skin as an example which does not use the same system these skins do and is also the ONLY skin out of all other available skins to reach that amount of gold.

Yeah, everyone needs to stop buying BLC keys. I’m starting to loose faith in the B2P model because of how Anet has been handling it.

-Any new fancy skin that you can earn in-game is hidden behind some of the most extreme low rng I have seen in any mmo because they want to be buying them with gems.

-New fancy skins are hidden behind gamble boxes which also have low rng. Not to mention the fact that they are 2 bucks a pop. low rng+2 bucks each = a lot of money.

-Because of the above business model, everything that is introduced in the game needs to lead to monetization in some way.

While this business model in theory should be good. Its all about finding the right balance. Anet so far has not and not even close. I feel like so far, everything I do, leads to the gem store. Far from being “convenient” which is what Anet intended the store to be.

I don’t mean for everything to be easy to get either. But there should be a even rarity scale with skins. I love how there aren’t a lot of greatsaws.

-Hard, Medium, Easy to get in-game item.
-Expensive, Medium, cheap gem store weapons.
-Some you can only get in-game and some only gem store.

So far the scale is leaning a LOT towards the gem store.

Compared this business model with the subscription model.

-Everything is earned through in-game and since there is no store, then everything is based on rarity level. Most subscription models have a pretty good rarity level scale, and most of those items are earned through skill.

In before someone mentions that I can get dungeon skins already in-game. Those are super old content that came with the core game. I’m talking in regards of all the new “content” that’s coming out. I’m also aware that Anet came out with the new skins from champs…..but most are lamer than the BLC ones….and quantity wise, we have less. So the scale is still heavily tipped towards the gem store.

^ that was well put and a very good analysis of how the game seems to be being developed right now and its unfortunate.

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I really don’t understand all this QQ about items being available from the gem store only. The currency converter exists solely for the reason that everyone is able to get every item in the game.

‘but man, 1 gem costs like a 100g’

No it doesn’t, I just checked the rate and 800 gems needed for a fancy new armor set costs exactly 56g, that is less than 50% of a full T3 cultural armor set without the need for transmutation crystals.

I also think that if the infamous Infinite Continue Coin was just available from Moto for 30g nobody would have complained, instead most ppl went haywire complaining about Anet’s p2w philosophy when all they had to was to use the converter to get the gems needed to buy the weapon.

Be careful about sarcastic comments.
I wonder if this will get deleted as well?

As for the RNG weapon skins, I quite honestly don’t care anymore. Last time I even bothered to preview their RNG weapon skins was the aetherized ones; they were so “meh” that I haven’t been motivated to care about where they are acquired. Nothing to get worked up about, imo.

I do support gem store armor skins. I haven’t ever bought a gem store armor skin set, however, for two reasons. One, I CAN’T PREVIEW THEM ON MY CHARACTER. Seriously arenanet – why would I just buy something costing 800 gems without being able to see what it would look like on my character? Stupid. You have the preview feature everywhere else in the game…. dunno why gem store can’t have it. Second, after going to look at Dulfy for the previews I can’t get in-game, I find that the gem store armors almost invariably look terrible (or if they don’t, they are decent on only one race/gender). I haven’t seen anything unique enough to make me want to spend gold or, god forbid, real money on them…

Asko.4120:

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I really don’t understand all this QQ about items being available from the gem store only. The currency converter exists solely for the reason that everyone is able to get every item in the game.

‘but man, 1 gem costs like a 100g’

No it doesn’t, I just checked the rate and 800 gems needed for a fancy new armor set costs exactly 56g, that is less than 50% of a full T3 cultural armor set without the need for transmutation crystals.

I also think that if the infamous Infinite Continue Coin was just available from Moto for 30g nobody would have complained, instead most ppl went haywire complaining about Anet’s p2w philosophy when all they had to was to use the converter to get the gems needed to buy the weapon.

What i think most people are trying to say is that rather than putting the new armour sets exclusively to the gem store, why not put them as an incentive in the living world content? And yes, this game is hardly p2w but rather since all the new skins are in the gem store (or BLC) and having most of the playerbase not wanting to spend real money on gems, majority of us will have to go farm gold which is really a pain and IMO not the way the game is meant to be played.

I thought buying the gem armor, but then I remembered how Braham’s armor, which is designed for burly norn warriors and clearly built with Vikings in mind, DELETES BEARDS! Ram’s horn helmet, horn shoulders, fur chest piece, no beards. Seriously.

skullmount.1758:

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

I’d have to say get use to it, ’cuz thats all they seem to want to do. Sure we maybe get a piece here or there (Scarlet shoulder thing, fused gauntlets) but never a full set. (And does anyone even use the Scarlet shoulder thing?)
Same goes for the weapons, why does it pretty much always have to use those kitten tickets?

Simply because people use real money to buy them. If they made the armor/weapons a reward for beating a living story boss then they wouldn’t profit

Gw2 is about profit and not entertaining content that users want.

I never have used real cash to purchase stuff in game and I never will.
Probably won’t buy any expansions if they come out either. I’m not
out to rag on the game, I mean…it’s fine?
I guess it’s just not up to the standard to keep me interested like it’s
predecessor was (more like a namesake, they really aren’t very similar).

The gemstore and the living world content factor into that. It’s just no
fun to have to play content on their time (living world stuff) or to
have limited access to a great deal of content (gemstore), especially
when I shell out $60 for a game. If that’s not enough, and you have to
continue squeezing for more…well, I’m sorry, you’re just pushing me away.
Better than subscription gaming I guess. Still, given the other game choices
I have, GW2 is probably the end of the line for me and Anet/NCsoft.
There’s just other stuff out there that’s a better value, and where I’m
not constantly begged for more money.

Anyway, that’s my take on gemstore in general, and I suppose, the living story
patches like Tower of Nightmares.
I don’t think the companies are greedy, they just see an opportunity and they’re
going after it. But, its just not for me. Others maybe, but not me.

Name any other MMO that gets meaningful updates every two weeks that doesn’t have a subscription fee or is pay2win (you have to pay to get top-tier stats i.e. Vindictus). The RNG skins are an effective way to pay the salaries of the people who make this game so good. If you can’t afford to support the people giving you free content, then farm gold and buy the skins of the TP. I really can’t see any problem with the system other than the low chance of scraps (20%-50% would be better).

Havana.8625:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Well, way back at launch (and eve since) people said they wanted more armors and that they’d be willing to buy them from the gemstore if they would simply give us more armors.

We should be more careful what we wish for.

I’m pretty happy with the new gemstore armors. If ascended armor was out, I’d grab them now and skin up! I’ll probably buy them as soon as I get my ascended.

I don’t mind buying them either, tbh. I just wish they worked similarly to costumes in GW1 – ie, 1 purchase, multiple uses across the account.

White Dragon.5429:

Name any other MMO that gets meaningful updates every two weeks that doesn’t have a subscription fee or is pay2win (you have to pay to get top-tier stats i.e. Vindictus).

Guild Wars 1.

We used to have meaningful updates within the confines of lore without the needs for a villain Mary Sue. That included the rebellion in Kryta against the White Mantle and History scrolls to explore the History of Tyria.

White Dragon.5429:

he RNG skins are an effective way to pay the salaries of the people who make this game so good. If you can’t afford to support the people giving you free content, then farm gold and buy the skins of the TP. I really can’t see any problem with the system other than the low chance of scraps (20%-50% would be better).

No they are not an effective way.

GW1 had a system so superior that it makes the RNG system in GW2 laughable. Back then there was no ridiculous RNG gem store. The in game store was separate from the game itself and you could buy armor skins that you wore as a costume over your existing armor, no transmutation stones needed. That fact alone made people want to play the game more because they wanted to show off their skins during missions.

GW2 made the mistake of integrating the Gem store into the game economy. This now means every game decision (mechanics, drops, etc) Anet makes revolves around the Gem Store instead of the actual game economy itself compared to GW1.

GW1 was a stronger game with a stronger community back then, with frequent expansions with lore-relevant, interesting and epic storylines, filled with characters you wanted to learn more about and massively expanded the lands of Tyria to include Cantha and Elona.

I was more willing to throw my money at the expansions for the extra in-game content that had new armors, weapons, skills, zones, lore and story in GW1. I had zero incentive to spend money in the GW2 gemstore for items that were not guaranteed for me.

If Anet wants to run the game like a giant casino, fine by me. But don’t go around pretending that running a casino is the ONLY way to earn money. Legit buy/sell trading works and always had worked in real life and in GW1.

TehPwnerer.7215:

Until we get an expansion (or something that equates to that) we will not see anymore weapons or armor skins added to the game that don’t revolve around RNG boxes, gems, or ca$h.

You know, except for all those many champion bag weapons they added a while back.

Stormcrow.7513:

Gw2 is about profit and not entertaining content that users want.

This, the way they are doing things now must be way more profitable than actually giving us a real expansion.

Of course if we got an actual expansion, you know something that they have to put out on a disc or do a massive download I would buy it on day one of release.

Another commenter in this thread said, “get used to it” and I also agree with that. I have gotten used to it, it’s just a glaze now nothing special.

Oh, I don’t mind paying for more armors.

Put I mind paying more than ONCE for the right to use an armor.
Unless they become unlocks as they should, I’m not spending a cent on those.

Make them unlocks, and I’ll eventually get them all, like I did with GW1’s costumes.

Everything but gemstore consumables and services should be unlocks like the HoM rewards, finishers and the achievement point rewards.
Account bound miniatures, gem store, armors, town clothes, achievement rewards, toys, tools, upgrades….
Some may still require a price in gold or gems once unlocked to get more of it (e.g. infinite gathering tools) but they should still be unlocks nonethelss so players that get them once can get as many as they want and can after that, so they can use them with as many characters as they want.

Even for the character styles there should be unlocks.
Along the makeover kits, there should be a stylist NPC that lets you try the changes and pay with gems just for the changes you want to make. And if it’s not a slider or gender, it should be an unlock. Change hair, or ornament color, or beard, and the old ones become unlocked and you can go back to them for a reasonable coin fee. That way people can aim to get all hair styles unlocked, and change them as often as they want without having to sell a kidney for it.

Also, at least for activities, players should be able to choose between showing town clothes, PvE armor and PvP armor.
It’ll be even better if at least for PvE they could use town clothes during combat.

Nick.6972:

Again, another Living Story, another set of RNG gem store weapons, another gem store Armor.
Well, I guess time to grind gold again since I don’t want to spend god knows how much money gambling on Black Lion chests.

How about you?

This is the way the entire game was designed to work so i’m not sure why you are actually complaining? Rather than paying 15 bucks a month for content and items we may or may not see / get we are only paying for stuff in the gem store that we actually want. Of course they are going to release awesome looking stuff in the gem store so they can make money off of all of us. If the gem store offered crap items and made them no money do you think this game would even exist at all? I think their black lion trading company model is absolutely flawless. New items every few weeks that are bringing in the money for their company AND its not a pay to win scheme either like certain other games COUGH Tribes

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Well, way back at launch (and eve since) people said they wanted more armors and that they’d be willing to buy them from the gemstore if they would simply give us more armors.

We should be more careful what we wish for.

I believe this was in contrast to them being hidden within RNG boxes. Sure, gem store purchases are better than RNG boxes, but I think most players would rather see new armors introduced as drops in actual gameplay. Still haven’t figured out why this concept isn’t being embraced by the devs.

Seras.5702:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Well, way back at launch (and eve since) people said they wanted more armors and that they’d be willing to buy them from the gemstore if they would simply give us more armors.

We should be more careful what we wish for.

I believe this was in contrast to them being hidden within RNG boxes. Sure, gem store purchases are better than RNG boxes, but I think most players would rather see new armors introduced as drops in actual gameplay. Still haven’t figured out why this concept isn’t being embraced by the devs.

We’ve had that one as well, but no, the one I was thinking of was just a general plea for ‘more’ armors. Before the living story stuff started occurring and locking stuff in the RNG boxes. Somewhere in like the first 60 days after launch, hell might have been in the first 30 days. We had the “more more more” “gimme gimme gimme” chants going just 36 hours after launch. Was sooooo sad to see.