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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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Okay so there is already a thread I see on removing the “finish them” stuff from pve so I won’t repeat that. There has also been mention of keeping the pve content out of wvw so I won’t repeat that. I do agree with both of those opinions by the way.

But I couldn’t find anything about this when I searched. Please pay more attention to the achievement requirements you make.One in particular I am thinking of is the spore cleanser achievement. In order to get this we have to wait for the enemy to get a toxic corruption buff before the kill will count. The problem with this is players can use this to troll or grief everyone else as they kill them without waiting for the buff. Some players have limited windows when they can play and for other people on the server to prevent them from getting their achievements is extremely annoying.

Please, for the love of god, do not put achievement requirements for which the progress can be blocked by a few annoying players. If you must do so, save those achievements for instanced areas only.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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This is really only an issue if you try to do it in wellpopulated areas.
Every single Veteran and up in the whole game can get said buff, that means you don’t have to run around with the Champ Train in Queensdale or whatever to do it, as you can just run around in Snowden Drifts or Fields of Ruins and kill veterans and complete it.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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My point is it shouldn’t even be an issue at all.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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And my point was that it is an issue.

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Posted by: bravoart.5308

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I thought it wasn’t as bad when I found out that the toxic spore pods made patches that you could drag mobs in to give them the debuff — then I found out it didn’t count.

Same debuff, thinking outside the box, creative use of mechanics…

Nothin. :\

Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the
peasants had no bread and who responded: “Let them eat brioche.”

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Posted by: Encarton.3985

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Just kill the Krait Champions that spawn on the way points and the one that spawns in the ruins. 100% of the time they have the corruption buff and will always count for the achievement. Easy.

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Posted by: slurpey.6014

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Please pay more attention to the achievement requirements you make.One in particular I am thinking of is the spore cleanser achievement. In order to get this we have to wait for the enemy to get a toxic corruption buff before the kill will count. The problem with this is players can use this to troll or grief everyone else as they kill them without waiting for the buff. Some players have limited windows when they can play and for other people on the server to prevent them from getting their achievements is extremely annoying.

Please, for the love of god, do not put achievement requirements for which the progress can be blocked by a few annoying players. If you must do so, save those achievements for instanced areas only.

Thanks

Your Suggestion/Complaint includes the answer already. It’s the PLAYERS fault. Anet can’t and won’t babysit players. If you’re fed up with the people on your server and at times I am too, guest on a other server or play to a different time. That would be one option. Now since you will say that you shouldn’t be forced to play when the kids aren’t online then there’s option 2. Go to a other champion and wait there. Champions are spawned over 4 different maps with the same buff. Most of them are ignored by players and you have plenty of time defeating those champions. Problem solved.

I don’t like the idea of Anet having to re consider their patches because some players can’t be nice to each other. That’s another reason you have multiple options with nearly every update/patch. It’s up to you as a user to make the decision.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

SaiKosis.4587

Please pay more attention to the achievement requirements you make.One in particular I am thinking of is the spore cleanser achievement. In order to get this we have to wait for the enemy to get a toxic corruption buff before the kill will count. The problem with this is players can use this to troll or grief everyone else as they kill them without waiting for the buff. Some players have limited windows when they can play and for other people on the server to prevent them from getting their achievements is extremely annoying.

Please, for the love of god, do not put achievement requirements for which the progress can be blocked by a few annoying players. If you must do so, save those achievements for instanced areas only.

Thanks

Your Suggestion/Complaint includes the answer already. It’s the PLAYERS fault. Anet can’t and won’t babysit players. If you’re fed up with the people on your server and at times I am too, guest on a other server or play to a different time. That would be one option. Now since you will say that you shouldn’t be forced to play when the kids aren’t online then there’s option 2. Go to a other champion and wait there. Champions are spawned over 4 different maps with the same buff. Most of them are ignored by players and you have plenty of time defeating those champions. Problem solved.

I don’t like the idea of Anet having to re consider their patches because some players can’t be nice to each other. That’s another reason you have multiple options with nearly every update/patch. It’s up to you as a user to make the decision.

lol I don’t think you understood my post.

In every mmo it is important for the developer to not introduce mechanics which can be used to grief. Otherwise you will end up with empty servers. We shouldn’t have to pay to go to another server for anet introducing a mechanic which players can use against others on the same server to block progress in pve. If Anet is going to do that, then they should make server transfers free.

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Posted by: voidwater.2064

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lol I don’t think you understood my post.

In every mmo it is important for the developer to not introduce mechanics which can be used to grief.

What you pointed out is not griefing though.

What if other players don’t care about the buff and just want the champ bag? Why should they wait for you?

As others pointed out, you can simply go to other maps and kill veterans/champs there.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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lol I don’t think you understood my post.

In every mmo it is important for the developer to not introduce mechanics which can be used to grief.

What you pointed out is not griefing though.

What if other players don’t care about the buff and just want the champ bag? Why should they wait for you?

As others pointed out, you can simply go to other maps and kill veterans/champs there.

It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

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Posted by: voidwater.2064

voidwater.2064

Just sounds like you’re too lazy or incompetent to get the achievement outside of a champ train…

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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Just sounds like you’re too lazy or incompetent to get the achievement outside of a champ train…

Sounds like you’re just trolling. If anet didn’t introduce that requirement it wouldn’t even be a problem in the first place. It isn’t rocket science.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

But they don’t.
At least not unless they run around and speed kill every single champion and veteran in the whole game at all times.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

But they don’t.
At least not unless they run around and speed kill every single champion and veteran in the whole game at all times.

They might not on your server, but earlier I was there in Kessex on ours and there was a group going around doing just that. And as I said some of the players only have small windows to play the game. Their progress should not be blocked by others.

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Posted by: slurpey.6014

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Guesting is free there’s no reason to transfer to a specific server unless you want to WvW. I do understand that post but with every online mmo there is always the option to grief a person if you plan on it. Every developer needs a so called concept that attracts people in the short and long run, if we look at your suggestion than most content has to be erased because every part can be used to grief someone. That leads to very boring content and achievements, if that’s the case than the achievement rewards should be deleted as well. It doesn’t take much effort of let’s say just killing 20 mobs without any requirements involved.

Again the content and the achievement has been made for different areas, if the player don’t use those areas then it’s your own fault. There is no reason for Anet to change the concept of that achievement. I guess it’s easier to complain than actually teleporting to a other map if you want to get the job done.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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They might not on your server, but earlier I was there in Kessex on ours and there was a group going around doing just that. And as I said some of the players only have small windows to play the game. Their progress should not be blocked by others.

And as stated: EVERY SINGLE Veteran and Champion in the WHOLE GAME can get the buff.
That means several HUNDRED possible mobs at ALL times. I find it highly unlikely that they manage to kill off all of those at the same time.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

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Guesting is free there’s no reason to transfer to a specific server unless you want to WvW. I do understand that post but with every online mmo there is always the option to grief a person if you plan on it. Every developer needs a so called concept that attracts people in the short and long run, if we look at your suggestion than most content has to be erased because every part can be used to grief someone. That leads to very boring content and achievements, if that’s the case than the achievement rewards should be deleted as well. It doesn’t take much effort of let’s say just killing 20 mobs without any requirements involved.

Again the content and the achievement has been made for different areas, if the player don’t use those areas then it’s your own fault. There is no reason for Anet to change the concept of that achievement. I guess it’s easier to complain than actually teleporting to a other map if you want to get the job done.

I never said to get rid of the achievements all it takes is someone to actually think before they make them. They can make it instanced and it wont be hindered by anyone.

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Posted by: voidwater.2064

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It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

But they don’t.
At least not unless they run around and speed kill every single champion and veteran in the whole game at all times.

They might not on your server, but earlier I was there in Kessex on ours and there was a group going around doing just that. And as I said some of the players only have small windows to play the game. Their progress should not be blocked by others.

Does Kessex Hills count as the whole game?

You just have a terribly inflexible mind. There are paths available, but you refuse to take them and complain about being blocked.

Why do you even need the achievement? Just do dailies and skip that one if you think it’s so much trouble.

I’m not even opposed to a change in your favor, but I have nothing but contempt for your kind of thinking.

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Posted by: SaiKosis.4587

SaiKosis.4587

It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

But they don’t.
At least not unless they run around and speed kill every single champion and veteran in the whole game at all times.

They might not on your server, but earlier I was there in Kessex on ours and there was a group going around doing just that. And as I said some of the players only have small windows to play the game. Their progress should not be blocked by others.

Does Kessex Hills count as the whole game?

You just have a terribly inflexible mind. There are paths available, but you refuse to take them and complain about being blocked.

Why do you even need the achievement? Just do dailies and skip that one if you think it’s so much trouble.

I’m not even opposed to a change in your favor, but I have nothing but contempt for your kind of thinking.

My kind of thinking?
Seriously?

So I am against putting in mechanics which other players can use to grief and block the progress of others in the game. But since there is a workaround its ok and there’s nothing wrong with it at all….yeah ok…there is something terribly wrong with my thinking. My god how could I possibly think that blocking another player’s progress could be a bad thing?

You have to be trolling

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Posted by: slurpey.6014

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I never said to get rid of the achievements all it takes is someone to actually think before they make them. They can make it instanced and it wont be hindered by anyone.

Exactly my point. You want the same reward without putting any effort in it. That’s the solution to your suggestion/complain, remove the buff because people are able to block my play style and give me the same reward at the end. Even tho you chose to go to Kessex Hill instead of visiting other maps to get the achievement done. It can even be done in Kessex Hill, just visit one of the other champions there. Not all players jump on every champion to the same time at least not on my server lol.

Putting those bosses into an instance blocks more players than you think it would. I don’t include myself since I do have the option to visit instances a lot of times but take a look at the newer players or the more casual players. Some of them do not have people to play with and they wouldn’t have the option to join an instance, exception using the lfg tool, but than again most players have their steady groups and new comers are not welcome. Or the build is not the one other players suggest, that leaves a part of the community without any option of accomplishing the achievement. That’s better?

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Posted by: poziix.7285

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It is griefing when they do it to prevent others from getting the achievement as I already stated. There should not have to be any workaround. As I said if they are going to have these requirements they can do it for an instanced area and it won’t allow anyone’s progress to be blocked.

As someone who rarely gets to play the game these days, I had no idea there is an achievement on top of an achievement. So when I played last night for example, I got on, found some champs and began the process of killing them. I didn’t know I should have waited for something else to happen so other people can get some bonus points.

I play this game for me, not for other players. Had I known there was more to do I might have waited, as it was I didn’t have time to stick around and wanted to see what the champion bag was (yes it’s that rare I get to play these days, that I hadn’t seen a champion bag before). So if I have to go on and wait, so you or anyone else can get some bonus points … I’m sure there are plenty of opportunities for you to get those points throughout the game. As I said, I’m not playing the game to help you get points.

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Posted by: voidwater.2064

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So I am against putting in mechanics which other players can use to grief and block the progress of others in the game. But since there is a workaround its ok and there’s nothing wrong with it at all….

Killing buffed champs in Kessex Hills is a beneficial coincidence, not something you are absolutely entitled to from the start.

Going to any of the other maps is not a ‘workaround’, it’s a clearly intended method for you to get that achievement. If buffed monsters were limited to champs in Kessex hills, then your position would have more merit.

The achievement is not a requirement for PvE progress, you can skip it and still get the krait obelisk. You are not blocked in any way.

You can easily solve your own minor ‘problem’, but instead you complain and expect everyone else to accommodate you (killing champs before they get the buff is bad, Anet needs to make special instances for achievements).

Thus, contempt.

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Posted by: Corvax.1675

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Sorry, OP, but I have to agree with voidwater and Ema. Today I witnessed the worst type of behaviour possible in an MMO in Kessex Hills displayed by entitled players who think they can dictate how others choose to play this game. It is completely baffling to see the totally uncontrolled anger and hatred towards fellow players. So, contempt from me as well for these little tyrants, and also, reports for verbal abuse.

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Posted by: Katz.5143

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While there is no way to prevent all disagreements in game, this one could be solved by having certain champions always spawn with the buff.

I think the problem is that there are time limited achievements/content and that puts stress on the people who have less time. I had no problem getting this done but then my evenings and weekends are free of obligations. Those who have restricted time will be more sensitive to these sort of problems.

As for the bad map chat. I look at map chat for information that I can use and do my best to ignore the bad behavior that often occurs. I also observe good behavior where people ask for help and others respond and assist quickly. Its a mixed bag.

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Posted by: DaShi.1368

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Do the Queensdale train. About 1/2 of the champs spawn with the buff on them already.

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Posted by: Kris.4802

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i only did 3 champs in KH with the buff and im at 18 right now. the rest came from when i was out mapping and leveling. Not hard at all. Try another area since most all vets and champs can get the buff but then i think you just want it easy

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Posted by: FenrirSlakt.3692

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I believe this thread is an exaggeration of what’s actually happening. It took me about one hour of Queensdale champ train to finish it. I was 8/25 when I joined said Champ train.

(Also, the players that take those champs down really quickly aren’t doing it in an attempt to grief anyone, they just want to move on to the next objective swiftly. Please take off that tin foil hat).

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Posted by: Dromar.1027

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Go to queensdale and champ farm. Problem solved