Guild Wars 2

I know that there are many of these posts, and we’re not supposed to make multiple threads on the same topic, but the whiners are doing it, so unless we do it as well, it looks like the majority of voices are negative.

I just want to say I’m impressed with the event.

And maybe a short rant.

I don’t understand most (ANY) of the posts that say the event is a failure. It’s the complete opposite. Most of the complaints are laughable, like “OMG EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS RNG NOW!” And of course, by ‘everything,’ they mean they haven’t been able to get all the minis or endless/unbreakable items they wanted from gifts or chests. Many of them make exactly this argument: “I tried really hard and I didn’t get what I wanted, ANet is unfair.”

They’re called rewards and achievements for a reason, guys.

Do I love every single aspect of the Wintersday content? No.
Do I have to audacity to think that it should all be catered to my playstyle preferences? No.

That is all.

Happy Wintersday to all you reasonable people out there.

It’s pretty simple why there are so many people in here complaining about what a failure it is. It’s the same on all forums of all games.
The people who like the stuff are playing it. The people who don’t, are in here griping.
The loudest voice is an unhappy one.

No.

You seem to be mistaking “rewards and achievements” with randomly being assigned high value and low value items based on a Random Number Generator.

If person A runs the JP faster than anyone else, completes it on their very first run through without falling off they get a tiny chance at a good reward at the chest at the end.

If person B runs the JP 200 times, falls off every time and eventually hobbles through and opens the chest on their 201st time, they get that exact same chance at a good reward.

With RNG, what you get is a totally random distribution of reward. Person B is just as likely to get the awesome loot as person A.

That, surely, is the “Trophy-for-participation” mechanic at work?

The point isn’t that you need to open 2000 chests to get a specific mini, it’s that SOME people will have to, whereas OTHERS will get what they want on the first try.

It’s not fair on those people to have to spend $1000 on gems to get a mini that someone else got by spending $1.50 is it?

If they put the minis on for the gem store for $500 there would be outrage. This way, they still charge $500 on average, but since some people get them for $1.50 they can avoid being called extortionists.

Chamone.6890:

No.

You seem to be mistaking “rewards and achievements” with randomly being assigned high value and low value items based on a Random Number Generator.

If person A runs the JP faster than anyone else, completes it on their very first run through without falling off they get a tiny chance at a good reward at the chest at the end.

If person B runs the JP 200 times, falls off every time and eventually hobbles through and opens the chest on their 201st time, they get that exact same chance at a good reward.

With RNG, what you get is a totally random distribution of reward. Person B is just as likely to get the awesome loot as person A.

That, surely, is the “Trophy-for-participation” mechanic at work?

I get what you are saying with the random gem rewards and RNG system. I think the RNG system in this game is way too ridiculous.

That said, I don’t have a problem with your Jumping Puzzle example.
If Player B gets the same loot chance as Player A, I’m fine with that.

The tradeoff is that while Player A may be more skilled at it, it only took them 5 minutes for that reward, whereas Player B had to spend several hours doing it. Skill vs. Time is acceptable to me, because, let’s face it, not everyone is good at certain things. So, if they are willing to plod through it, hour after hour, and eventually succeed, then there should be a reward for finally managing to overcome the obstacle. After all, they still had to win it, they just had to put in alot more practice for equal results.

So, I don’t think the JP example was a particularly good one, but I do agree about the ridiculous RNG system.

Grateful player here as well. ArenaNets events are second to none.

Well, call it strange but I have no problem with a bit of gambling from those Boxes which drop In-Game. If there is something really nice in – good- if not, who cares. After all I’m not someone who buys tons of stuff only because I hope to gain the checkpot.

I’m also fine with the way the dungeon-minis are distributed. Get two and if you want to have the whole set buy the rest from the gemshop for a certain price.

What I do not like at all is that Mini-gambling from the shop-boxes. Call it old-fashioned, but I think people should not be made gambling with reallife money.

Yup, it’s the RL cash gambling that irritates me. Plus, the minis that are only available from the gamble boxes are also bound so they can’t be sold if you get duplicates. They really need to be unbound.

I’m not too big on the RNG thing because I’m currently broke which just makes me SOL, but everything else I really love.

Especially Snowball Mayhem. Anet, you did such a great job with that game that I’m really bummed out that it’s only temporary. Makes me nostalgic for playing snowball wars and capture the flag as a child. You did a really great thing with that game and I hope, somehow, it can be installed over in the Norn areas so people can keep playing it. It’s just very simple and fun.

Chamone.6890:

You seem to be mistaking “rewards and achievements” with randomly being assigned high value and low value items based on a Random Number Generator.

The rewards and achievements comment was directed toward people who are complaining about gameplay content, e.g. the JP, the dungeons.

I stated my thoughts on the RNG comments as well. People have made comments like “This is Gamble Wars 2 or RNG Wars 2!” There are some aspects of the game, not at all tied to gameplay, that are RNG dependent. Acquiring these event minis seems to be one of them. ANet has already told you that there is chance involved. You simply cannot say it is somehow unfair that some people take a chance and win, while others don’t. That’s what gambling is.

Working. As. Intended.

I understand that there is frustration when you take a chance and it doesn’t pay off, but you cannot say with a straight face that this event is a failure because of that. That’s what people are saying, and that’s what I find ridiculous.

If the stuff from the gamble boxes could be sold, that’s one thing. It’s a way to manage the limited inventory from duplicates or for people who don’t/can’t gamble to get the minis. I don’t know why ANet didn’t do that, but it makes the whole thing a lot less fun.

I quite enjoy the event, but the negativity is to be expected. I have yet to see an online community that shows more joy than anger. I guess happy people just don’t feel that much of a need to express their happiness. Hence why your post has a bit of complaining about complaining in it. I think some complaints voiced in the forum are valid, but probably expressed too emotionally. Overall, I think it the event is quite fun.

As an aside – this:

Facepunch.5710:

Maybe this is the parents-never-spanked-them, got-a-trophy-for-participation crowd. They’re called rewards and achievements for a reason, guys.

This is a tasteless statement and frankly, it makes me wonder about your idea of a good upbringing.

The only part I don’t like is the RNG/account bound minis

As for everything else – A rousing success. I love it!
Nice skins – fun games – good loot
A most excellent job – TY

Chamone.6890:

No.

You seem to be mistaking “rewards and achievements” with randomly being assigned high value and low value items based on a Random Number Generator.

If person A runs the JP faster than anyone else, completes it on their very first run through without falling off they get a tiny chance at a good reward at the chest at the end.

If person B runs the JP 200 times, falls off every time and eventually hobbles through and opens the chest on their 201st time, they get that exact same chance at a good reward.

With RNG, what you get is a totally random distribution of reward. Person B is just as likely to get the awesome loot as person A.

That, surely, is the “Trophy-for-participation” mechanic at work?

The point isn’t that you need to open 2000 chests to get a specific mini, it’s that SOME people will have to, whereas OTHERS will get what they want on the first try.

It’s not fair on those people to have to spend $1000 on gems to get a mini that someone else got by spending $1.50 is it?

If they put the minis on for the gem store for $500 there would be outrage. This way, they still charge $500 on average, but since some people get them for $1.50 they can avoid being called extortionists.

If there are really KITTENS willing to spend 1000$ just to get mini figure in online game, i say rip them off, rip them off good! Those 1000$ could feed village full of hungry african children for a month!

Laufey.5129:

This is a tasteless statement and frankly, it makes me wonder about your idea of a good upbringing.

It really was tasteless, and not a good way to make my point, as comments like that just stir up emotions rather than encourage civil conversation. I’ve removed it since this is not the place for that discussion. As you say, I was a bit caught up in complaining about the complainers.