Guild Wars 2

Read if you’re gonna “flip out” on me or anything: I don’t really care about this anymore. I think it would still be nice to see a recipe put in, at the very least for future instruments, but not enough to argue it anymore, so don’t rage at me, please.

Lets try this again. Do not test me this time, I was very lenient in not reporting posts I should have in my last thread. This will not be the case this time. Stay on topic, keep your insults to yourself, and keep the discussion civil. After my last thread got deleted, I’m not dealing with any immaturity. You have been warned.

The Unbreakable Choir Bell is a very nice idea, however the implementation of how to get it is not. Many people would love to get their hands on this item, myself included, however being that the only way is RNG with a minuscule chance, or farming for months on end just to likely find the price has risen again, we’re left in the dark so to speak. Is there any possibility, even the slightest one, that a Mystic Forge recipe, or crafting recipe of some sort could be added for the unbreakable bell. I’m not asking for something easy, I’m asking for some method of knowing I’ll actually be able to obtain one even after the event has ended, not having to farm for a month only to find the price has risen by another 30g by the time I actually finish.

I thought call outs were against the CoC?

Yep, here it is.

“Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.”

Good to know, removed.

As I said in the last thread, again, I think that a recipe requiring perfect scores in each part (600 for mid, upper, and lower) as well as a certain amount of cogs would be perfect. People who have spent hours playing the bell game and having fun would be able to craft the bell, rather than someone who just got lucky. It would be rewarding player skill, and if it required a limited, controlled resource like the cogs it would ensure that people were only able to craft one and not flood the market with them.

They should still be rare, otherwise they would lose the “grand prize” feeling, but as it is now the distribution of them doesn’t seem right. People who just like to troll and make noise and generally be kitten have an equal chance to getting them as musically talented people who’d use them to entertain and make music. Doesn’t seem right to me.

Nefara.2186:

As I said in the last thread, again, I think that a recipe requiring perfect scores in each part (600 for mid, upper, and lower) as well as a certain amount of cogs would be perfect. People who have spent hours playing the bell game and having fun would be able to craft the bell, rather than someone who just got lucky. It would be rewarding player skill, and if it required a limited, controlled resource like the cogs it would ensure that people were only able to craft one and not flood the market with them.

They should still be rare, otherwise they would lose the “grand prize” feeling, but as it is now the distribution of them doesn’t seem right. People who just like to troll and make noise and generally be kitten have an equal chance to getting them as musically talented people who’d use them to entertain and make music. Doesn’t seem right to me.

Agree, even something like this would be appreciated. Would give me a reason to keep doing bell hero, besides a tiny chance, and my perfect scores would actually mean something.
Though I’m sure I’m not the only one with 950 cogs sitting there doing nothing, so to prevent market flood, crafted unbreakable bells should be account bound. Also further ensuring that people who craft it actually want to use it, not make a quick buck.

Sigh… let me repeat myself then.

And you would cause an uproar with the people who have already bitten the bullet, liquidated their assets and either bought the bell or sank a lot of gold on the lottery to get one.

You are asking for an item to be drastically changed in value less than a week after people have jumped through hoops to get it.

mangOskittle.6430:

Sigh… let me repeat myself then.

And you would cause an uproar with the people who have already bitten the bullet, liquidated their assets and either bought the bell or sank a lot of gold on the lottery to get one.

You are asking for an item to be drastically changed in value less than a week after people have jumped through hoops to get it.

Because I’m asking for an account bound, way that involves playing the game (no, farming is not playing). Yep, thats really going to hurt the econ…..oh wait.
Let me repeat myself then, nobody forced any of you to buy the bell, and maybe if you stopped and thought about how few were in the market, and in turn how few people had bought, you would probably realize your claim is pretty illogical.

Yeah I’d really like a way to get an unbreakable bell as well. It’s just too cool of a game feature to not provide to more people. It’s one thing to withhold cosmetic items, but the bell offers a new gameplay mechanic that a lot of people want to play with beyond Wintersday.

Toast.6459:

mangOskittle.6430:

Sigh… let me repeat myself then.

And you would cause an uproar with the people who have already bitten the bullet, liquidated their assets and either bought the bell or sank a lot of gold on the lottery to get one.

You are asking for an item to be drastically changed in value less than a week after people have jumped through hoops to get it.

Because I’m asking for an account bound, way that involves playing the game (no, farming is not playing). Yep, thats really going to hurt the econ…..oh wait.
Let me repeat myself then, nobody forced any of you to buy the bell, and maybe if you stopped and thought about how few were in the market, and in turn how few people had bought, you would probably realize your claim is pretty illogical.

So what you are saying in a nut shell:
People that play the game and engage in player-to-player commerce should be penalized for doing so by making their purchases worthless. Instead whiners like you who spend time crying on the forums should be rewarded.

Regardless of what should have been done the fact of the matter is that the bells have 0.0001% chance of dropping. Some people ponied up the money for gifts or the item outright. You want to give everyone one, half way through the event, a bell with no regard for the people who paid 40+ gold to get one.

Lets try this again. Do not test me this time, I was very lenient in not reporting posts I should have in my last thread. This will not be the case this time. Stay on topic, keep your insults to yourself, and keep the discussion civil. After my last thread got deleted, I’m not dealing with any immaturity. You have been warned.

I wasn’t kidding. Kindly keep your insults to yourself.
Have a nice post-doomsday.

Personally, I believe the fewer players that have the bell the better. Not because of some ‘rare=rare’ issue or anything, I just don’t want to have to run around listening to it constantly. There’s probably a good reason why people are playing Guild Wars and aren’t out touring with their world-famous glockenspiel band.

I disagree, but of course respect that idea. I’ve played an instrument the majority of my (somewhat short) life, so when I first saw the minigame and the unbreakable bell the musician in me went “Yes!”, but when I saw the price, the me in me went “D’oh!”.

I’d wholeheartedly endorse an account-bound version of the unbreakable bell that’s less RNG (and subsequently less expensive) if you could only ‘play’ for your group members. That way, the ‘hardcore’ musicians can save up for the rare bell to play in public concerts or RP events, and the casual or collector can still have one to annoy their friends.

Kinda defeats the purpose then, making it account bound already limits it to those who want to use it, not sell it, limiting it so that only certain people could hear it pretty much defeats that entirely, and causes more work for the devs.

But this is good, were throwing around ideas, if we (the community) can come up with a solid one, and by some miracle get it implemented, be even better.

Toast.6459:

Kinda defeats the purpose then, making it account bound already limits it to those who want to use it, not sell it, limiting it so that only certain people could hear it pretty much defeats that entirely, and causes more work for the devs.

But this is good, were throwing around ideas, if we (the community) can come up with a solid one, and by some miracle get it implemented, be even better.

No, I mean leave the current ones as-is (extremely rare, expensive, non-bound, and able to be heard by all, the ‘professional’ version), and make another version where none of those things are true (the ‘amateur’ version). That way players could acquire the amateur version and play with their group, or practice, or just wail away, and nobody will hear it, whereas the professional version would have to be either saved up for, lucked into, or gifted, but it would be the full-featured version, and consequently maintain it’s value beyond the holidays.

Yeah, I got that. However, limiting those crafted bells to a small number of people defeats the purpose, I don’t plan on playing as a group, and I’m sure most others who want one don’t either, getting the right rhythm by yourself can be challenging enough sometimes, with a group getting the rhythm synced is even worse. I’m glad you mentioned this though, as it’s a crucial part to my argument that I probably should have broken down earlier, but slipped my mind.

As I said before, the people who go out of their way specifically to craft this bell are likely going to be ones who want to use it, account bound or not. You mentioned that the bell would “consequently maintain it’s value beyond the holidays.”, well thats the problem. After the event ends, the price of these bells is going to continue to rise, as obtaining it won’t be possible any more. Many of us will find that even if we farm for a month, obtain the 50g needed to purchase one, as that is the current price, and go to buy it, we’ll find that it has risen another 20-30g in moderate cases, or in more extreme, another 50g+, and were pretty much right back where we were even without a crafting option.

Toast.6459:

mangOskittle.6430:

Sigh… let me repeat myself then.

And you would cause an uproar with the people who have already bitten the bullet, liquidated their assets and either bought the bell or sank a lot of gold on the lottery to get one.

You are asking for an item to be drastically changed in value less than a week after people have jumped through hoops to get it.

Because I’m asking for an account bound, way that involves playing the game (no, farming is not playing). Yep, thats really going to hurt the econ…..oh wait.
Let me repeat myself then, nobody forced any of you to buy the bell, and maybe if you stopped and thought about how few were in the market, and in turn how few people had bought, you would probably realize your claim is pretty illogical.

Actually, it will most definitely impact the economy of the item itself. It’s value will be altered because there are additional ways to obtain it and those who want to have it have other ways to get it. No one is forcing you to have the bell either, but if you would like it it seems perfectly logical that you do the same that others who have it have to do, instead of being given the handout because you asked for it. And your attitude in your response really doesn’t improve your case.

mangOskittle.6430:

Sigh… let me repeat myself then.

And you would cause an uproar with the people who have already bitten the bullet, liquidated their assets and either bought the bell or sank a lot of gold on the lottery to get one.

You are asking for an item to be drastically changed in value less than a week after people have jumped through hoops to get it.

Irrelevant.

People have been getting burned because they’ve been impatient. People should know by now to hold onto things until the last three days of any event in MMORPGs, just in case something happens or changes.

It is not my responsibility to pay a guilt tax, nor is it fair to expect me to lose out on something because someone else made a mistake. That’s not even ArenaNet’s responsibility — that boils down to user error.

It should only be craftable if you can play Eruption with it.

Unbreakable should not be crafted / forged, doing so takes away the prestige of owning one.

The single-use ones should be craftable/forged, as this will create a money/time sink.

declan.3968:

Unbreakable should not be crafted / forged, doing so takes away the prestige of owning one.

The single-use ones should be craftable/forged, as this will create a money/time sink.

I have trouble associating “prestige” with “I had a lucky loot roll” personally. If someone can go through the hoops required to craft one that should be at least as prestigious as someone getting lucky with the roll of the dice.

I believe that people should be given more opportunities to get the bell. The rng is ridiculous, so far have opened 500 gifts to finds it plus any I found. Items like the bell that introduce a new feature to players should be available to all. For those that say that it wouldn’t be fair to those who already sealed out the higher price: you would haves payed for it when it was high. Think of it like the game itself right now; people who bought the game first without the digital deluxe are now at a loss compared to those get it now during the holiday season, when they’re offering the dd version for the same as the normal price. Once again, the bell should be available to all. If it does become more available for all, I will feel sorry for those who payed first, but I think it would be right.

VOLKON.1290:

It should only be craftable if you can play Eruption with it.

Challenge accepted, but I’m going to need one to figure that out.
(It probably isn’t possible, pretty limited in what works with these bells)

Agree with your statement about “lucky roll =/= prestige” too.

I think the RNG can be there for those who like surprises. The ones that come out of the boxes can be Bound on Use, but there should be a way to get one that doesn’t require randomness.

The crafted one, as you mentioned, should be Bound on Acquire to keep the BoU version from being de-valued too much. That I can agree about.

However, it should sort of like be a mini-Legendary, but doesn’t require 250 of everything in the game. I think the Mystic Forge recipe could look like this:

• Gift of Wintersday : 100 of any Snowflake (so that low-level characters can obtain it), 100 Ugly Wool Socks, 50 Ugly Woot Hats, 25 Ugly Wool Sweaters
• Unbreakable Choir Bell: 250 Choir Bells, 250 Mystic Cogs, any Minipet frame, and a Gift of Wintersday.

Of course the numbers could be adjusted accordingly to what seems reasonable and what kind of gathering could be accomplished by the average player during the general time-frame of Wintersday.

So far, I have opened over 2000 boxes of various sizes … no bell yet.

Ari Kagura.9182:

I think the RNG can be there for those who like surprises. The ones that come out of the boxes can be Bound on Use, but there should be a way to get one that doesn’t require randomness.

The crafted one, as you mentioned, should be Bound on Acquire to keep the BoU version from being de-valued too much. That I can agree about.

However, it should sort of like be a mini-Legendary, but doesn’t require 250 of everything in the game. I think the Mystic Forge recipe could look like this:

• Gift of Wintersday : 100 of any Snowflake (so that low-level characters can obtain it), 100 Ugly Wool Socks, 50 Ugly Woot Hats, 25 Ugly Wool Sweaters
• Unbreakable Choir Bell: 250 Choir Bells, 250 Mystic Cogs, any Minipet frame, and a Gift of Wintersday.

Of course the numbers could be adjusted accordingly to what seems reasonable and what kind of gathering could be accomplished by the average player during the general time-frame of Wintersday.

So far, I have opened over 2000 boxes of various sizes … no bell yet.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe 200 cogs though, so that everyone can get it, unless you NPC’d your cogs, thats on you.

The hard part is getting someone from the team to actually accept and implement the idea. I wonder if any of them looked at this thread, or the one before it.

Toast.6459:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

The hard part is getting someone from the team to actually accept and implement the idea. I wonder if any of them looked at this thread, or the one before it.

Pretty sure they have mentioned seeing it during an interview (not this particular thread but the idea). No real comment on it though.

Lacechan.6524:

Toast.6459:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

The hard part is getting someone from the team to actually accept and implement the idea. I wonder if any of them looked at this thread, or the one before it.

Pretty sure they have mentioned seeing it during an interview (not this particular thread but the idea). No real comment on it though.

Yeah I think I found that interview, mmorpg.com or something. Seems like all they said is “oh yeah we noticed it’s popular”.

Honestly if there were a recipe it could just require a gift of entertainment (10g, some mats, some gems & a little bit of dungeon work), and 3 performance roses one could receive for scoring 600, different color for each part high, mid, low. Still expensive enough to appease the crowds that already bought it without completely ruining the trade value, and provide an alternative route to the lottery which is based on just playing the game.

Oh god, please don’t….
Can only imagine the headache I’ll get as soon as I turn on the volume ingame at LA.

Leave it as is, keep the prestige only left to number of players who can afford it and eventually get tired of using it.

If you’re really in love with it, you’ll find a way to save the gold for it.

As long as Anet gives me option to mute the annoying, untalented bell ringers, I don’t care what they do. But so long as I have to listen to them in Lion’s Arch, the less bells the better.

Horheristo.3607:

Oh god, please don’t….
Can only imagine the headache I’ll get as soon as I turn on the volume ingame at LA.

Leave it as is, keep the prestige only left to number of players who can afford it and eventually get tired of using it.

If you’re really in love with it, you’ll find a way to save the gold for it.

Lol, so those of us who actually want to make music should get screwed because of a couple people who got lucky with RNG and can’t do anything but spam one note?

As for a gift being used in the recipe, Gift of Music would be more fitting. Only problem with that is, the 250 ingots and gossamer would come close to 50g themselves, and the opal orbs would probably push it over.

Toast.6459:

Horheristo.3607:

Oh god, please don’t….
Can only imagine the headache I’ll get as soon as I turn on the volume ingame at LA.

Leave it as is, keep the prestige only left to number of players who can afford it and eventually get tired of using it.

If you’re really in love with it, you’ll find a way to save the gold for it.

Lol, so those of us who actually want to make music should get screwed because of a couple people who got lucky with RNG and can’t do anything but spam one note?

As for a gift being used in the recipe, Gift of Music would be more fitting. Only problem with that is, the 250 ingots and gossamer would come close to 50g themselves, and the opal orbs would probably push it over.

Dear god no, I don’t want to make a legendary weapon gift for a vanity item. That’s absurd.

Kerithlan.1659:

Toast.6459:

Horheristo.3607:

Oh god, please don’t….
Can only imagine the headache I’ll get as soon as I turn on the volume ingame at LA.

Leave it as is, keep the prestige only left to number of players who can afford it and eventually get tired of using it.

If you’re really in love with it, you’ll find a way to save the gold for it.

Lol, so those of us who actually want to make music should get screwed because of a couple people who got lucky with RNG and can’t do anything but spam one note?

As for a gift being used in the recipe, Gift of Music would be more fitting. Only problem with that is, the 250 ingots and gossamer would come close to 50g themselves, and the opal orbs would probably push it over.

Dear god no, I don’t want to make a legendary weapon gift for a vanity item. That’s absurd.

Neither do I, but good luck appeasing the people complaining any other way.

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind the Gift of Music being a requirement as long I could craft the item any time of the year; similar to the Halloween weapons which required a specific gift, a bunch of Lodestones and Ectos, and other expensive stuff. After all, 250 Ori and Gossamer is not pretty easy to come by and would probably take longer than the entire duration of Wintersday, unless you’re full of money.

Otherwise, if the item could only be crafted during Wintersday, then it should require only items that are found only during Wintersday.

No, I know many are Bell’s fans but lot of people don’t want to constatly hear them everywhere they go.

Solution?

Make Consumable Choir Bells craftable with mats that can be found year round. Keeps both parties happy.

The Unbreakable Bell will be back next year. you don’t have to get every item in game the next day after they are introduced. Make the bell craftable and people will farm it. You wont stop the rich people from getting rich if you make it craftable. If they don’t control the bells supplies on the market they will control the crafting material market.

The bell is fine as it is. If you want to have fun singing, the consumable bell is easy enough to acquire.

Sharkinu.8096:

The Unbreakable Bell will be back next year. you don’t have to get every item in game the next day after they are introduced. Make the bell craftable and people will farm it. You wont stop the rich people from getting rich if you make it craftable. If they don’t control the bells supplies on the market they will control the crafting material market.

The bell is fine as it is. If you want to have fun singing, the consumable bell is easy enough to acquire.

You missed the “account bound” part.

Though I’m sure I’m not the only one with 950 cogs sitting there doing nothing, so to prevent market flood, crafted unbreakable bells should be account bound. Also further ensuring that people who craft it actually want to use it, not make a quick buck.

I also disagree, I’ve opened well over a thousand presents, and only have 17 consumable bells. Just because their on the TP “en masse” doesn’t mean it’s easy to acquire.

I got my unbreakable 3 days ago, after days of continuous grind in bell choir and opening almost 1500 gifts… I consider myself lucky. Now I can finally play Ode to Joy outside of the mini game

I wish the bell is given to me because I excelled my skills in the bell choir. Some of you speak of the prestige of the bell, but what exactly is that prestige? The prestige of able to spend 50G on it? Have you ever heard of any orchestra in the world conducted by someone who paid them good money to be their conductor? That idea is simply absurd. You want to have the prestige, earn it with skill, not buy it with money. Because of the RNG implementation, this bell does not come with that prestige anymore. People wouldn’t know whether it was bought for 50G or a proof of my skill. Legendary weapons have the same problem, since it can be bought off TP. You’ll never know whether the guy wielding it really earned it or he just bought it with 1900G of gold he grinded by flipping items on TP / botting.

I still support the idea that Anet should instead give people who are skilled in the game to have a better chance at acquiring the unbreakable bell. In the open world, I have not hear one person besides myself who can actually play music with the bell. All of them are just ringing random nodes. However, I won’t mind hearing skillful people playing it left and right.

Ugh, the grinding for a rare item is simply not fun. Why do they keep adding mini polar bears to the game? Because that is basically what this is. Another really rare item with a miniscule chance of dropping.

Wasn’t that in the GW2 manifesto? Grinding isn’t fun?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Ugh, the grinding for a rare item is simply not fun. Why do they keep adding mini polar bears to the game? Because that is basically what this is. Another really rare item with a miniscule chance of dropping.

Wasn’t that in the GW2 manifesto? Grinding isn’t fun?

Indeed it was, something along the lines of “You should be able to play the game the way you want to” if I remember correctly.
Opening massive amounts of gifts (blew another 1250 last night) isn’t the way I really wanted to spend my time during this event. Granted I’d have been doing a lot of bell choir either way, but as of late it feels more like a chore than fun, almost to the point where I just see “4 pieces of ugly clothing” instead of “4 personalized wintersday gifts” now.

I miss the days I play music in LOTRO.

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

TRON.1085:

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

So because of those very few (and it is a minuscule number), the rest of us should get shafted? A vanity item is slowly being turned into an item more exclusive then a legendary.

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

So because of those very few (and it is a minuscule number), the rest of us should get shafted? A vanity item is slowly being turned into an item more exclusive then a legendary.

How are you getting shafted? Like you said it’s just a vanity / novelty item. You don’t need it to play the game. If you want one cough up the gold/gems or quit crying you don’t have one, simple.

TRON.1085:

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

So because of those very few (and it is a minuscule number), the rest of us should get shafted? A vanity item is slowly being turned into an item more exclusive then a legendary.

How are you getting shafted? Like you said it’s just a vanity / novelty item. You don’t need it to play the game. If you want one cough up the gold/gems or quit crying you don’t have one, simple.

Lol, I’m explaining why a mechanic needs work/adjusting, if you can even consider RNG a mechanic, and I’m crying. Sounds to me like you’re just being obstinate for the heck of it.

Farming for legendaries already didn’t make sense, as theres very little thats legendary about doing the same things over and over for months on end. Now we have to farm for novelty items too, where is the logic there?

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

So because of those very few (and it is a minuscule number), the rest of us should get shafted? A vanity item is slowly being turned into an item more exclusive then a legendary.

How are you getting shafted? Like you said it’s just a vanity / novelty item. You don’t need it to play the game. If you want one cough up the gold/gems or quit crying you don’t have one, simple.

Lol, I’m explaining why a mechanic needs work/adjusting, if you can even consider RNG a mechanic, and I’m crying. Sounds to me like you’re just being obstinate for the heck of it.

Farming for legendaries already didn’t make sense, as theres very little thats legendary about doing the same things over and over for months on end. Now we have to farm for novelty items too, where is the logic there?

Your missing the point, your crying over what you call a vanity item, something you don’t need, yet you cry about how you HAVE TO FARM for it….

You have no logic to your argument or anything to base it from.

These are the facts. Not everyone is going to get an unbreakable bell, not everyone even cares or wants one, you dont need to do anything, you choose to do something.

If you want it then gamble your money away on gems for gold and RNG away, or gems to gold and just buy it right out off the trading outpost, or play the game, spend nothing and hope to get it for free from a gift.

So your still crying even though all the options are available to you without having to pay any real life money and even an option to get it without anything to do with RNG.

But your still crying over it….like I said before you know how to get it, go do it or don’t THATS YOUR CHOICE if you want it or if you don’t AND ITS YOUR CHOICE, how you get it and what method you choose since they have given you many options.

There is no "I need to " " I have to" “I have no choice”

Stop crying about a bell….or go get yourself one….seriously.

Also there is a quaggan piano that does the same as the bell in a location in the game world.

Do you think it’s unfair that casual players can’t afford the same things that hardcore players can?

Colbear.6425:

Do you think it’s unfair that casual players can’t afford the same things that hardcore players can?

I do when it is a whole different aspect of gameplay. I am not bothered that casual players can’t get Sunrise. I would be bothered if they couldn’t get greatswords at all.

This is a mini-game that a large portion of the population does not have access to. Ascended gear, even legendaries, with all their flaws, don’t bother me all that much, because they at least can be earned by pretty much anyone and are at least marginally dependent on actually playing the game rather than RNG or market manipulation. And there are non-legendary weapons and non-ascended gear. But this…this is not a good sign for where the game is headed

TRON.1085:

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

Toast.6459:

TRON.1085:

To change this after all this time now will just anger all the players that have spent a ton gold to get one. They already made that mistake with the mini pets, giving everyone enough cogs to make a third mini pet after some had already bought them all after being told specifically by Anet dev’s we would only get 2 in game with materials. Thats not user error or jumping the gun that is Anet’s fault.

Very bad idea.

So because of those very few (and it is a minuscule number), the rest of us should get shafted? A vanity item is slowly being turned into an item more exclusive then a legendary.

How are you getting shafted? Like you said it’s just a vanity / novelty item. You don’t need it to play the game. If you want one cough up the gold/gems or quit crying you don’t have one, simple.

Lol, I’m explaining why a mechanic needs work/adjusting, if you can even consider RNG a mechanic, and I’m crying. Sounds to me like you’re just being obstinate for the heck of it.

Farming for legendaries already didn’t make sense, as theres very little thats legendary about doing the same things over and over for months on end. Now we have to farm for novelty items too, where is the logic there?

Your missing the point, your crying over what you call a vanity item, something you don’t need, yet you cry about how you HAVE TO FARM for it….

You have no logic to your argument or anything to base it from.

These are the facts. Not everyone is going to get an unbreakable bell, not everyone even cares or wants one, you dont need to do anything, you choose to do something.

If you want it then gamble your money away on gems for gold and RNG away, or gems to gold and just buy it right out off the trading outpost, or play the game, spend nothing and hope to get it for free from a gift.

So your still crying even though all the options are available to you without having to pay any real life money and even an option to get it without anything to do with RNG.

But your still crying over it….like I said before you know how to get it, go do it or don’t THATS YOUR CHOICE if you want it or if you don’t AND ITS YOUR CHOICE, how you get it and what method you choose since they have given you many options.

There is no "I need to " " I have to" “I have no choice”

Stop crying about a bell….or go get yourself one….seriously.

Also there is a quaggan piano that does the same as the bell in a location in the game world.

Take your rage somewhere else please. You’re clearly missing my point, and I’ve no time to waste on you if all you can say is “stop crying”.