Guild Wars 2

Hamster.4861:

You need to watch this, and then say that gvg guilds have no skill and are only spamming 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrQMoOBqaI

Anyone that’s done any sort of organized PvP, from Guild Wars GvG or rated bg’s in WoW etc will tell you that looks like just a bunch of mess.

GvG in GW2 at this moment is just a ZvZ but on a smaller scale.

A+ video would watch again and again. Drigan pls teach Ark T1 meta we need to master it to be competitive ty.

Probably the best GW2 video ever made. Everything from the intentional click warrior to the 40v15 gvg gloating to the blatant BG s1-vid spoofing was brilliant.

Altie.4571:

Hamster.4861:

You need to watch this, and then say that gvg guilds have no skill and are only spamming 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrQMoOBqaI

Anyone that’s done any sort of organized PvP, from Guild Wars GvG or rated bg’s in WoW etc will tell you that looks like just a bunch of mess.

GvG in GW2 at this moment is just a ZvZ but on a smaller scale.

I’m sorry that you think that looks like a bunch of mess. It’s really an excellent example of how these fights happen. The commander in this video built up reputedly one of the best GvG guilds to play the game.

granted, a lot of stuff is happening at once, but this vid shows you how important positioning is, the stress and risk that comes with staying on pin, and how they manage both their own condition cleansing and application to the enemy.

If you’ve played for a long time you’ll recognize all of those fields and skills, and it isnt as overwhelmingly “mess” like.

It’s really an outstanding display of teamwork and discipline

Natronix.9827:

Lol at the T1 tears.

Do you guys think you’re a speacial snowflake because you optimaze your PPT play? We know what you guys do, and its extremely boring.

You dont just blob with baddies, you:
- Have mutiple 5 man ganking squads around bloodlust to cap and secure it, because this will get you loads of score from the constant fighting
-Have players willing to sit on towers/keep to scout, siege up and shoot anything that passes by
-Escort yaks en masse, play like a turttle most of the time
- If an open field fight is too difficult, set up siege
- “Map politics” lol

Rinse an repeat on all maps, ta da. Oh and when it gets “competitive” you know its time to:
-Siege grief
-Spy other teams voice comms or send alt acct
-Buy guilds for x time zone.
-Set up truces with another server that at the end you’ll the one taking more advantage

Instead of all that kitten you could be having fun just forgetting about the scoreboard and focus more on getting better at using your own character, syncronizing with your team. But nah winning matches is top leet skill amirite

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Hamster.4861:

I’m sorry that you think that looks like a bunch of mess. It’s really an excellent example of how these fights happen. The commander in this video built up reputedly one of the best GvG guilds to play the game.

granted, a lot of stuff is happening at once, but this vid shows you how important positioning is, the stress and risk that comes with staying on pin, and how they manage both their own condition cleansing and application to the enemy.

It’s really an outstanding display of teamwork and discipline

Having always been involved in PvP I disagree with you on so many of the things you listed. Just looking at the video I can see that they aren’t staying on the pin that much because it’s just the smaller scale battles being fought in a smaller area. The fact that the zerg (err guild group) is just chock full of guardians, warriors, necro’s takes care of all the other items you mentioned.

In fact all I see is the reinforcement that the battle is won long before either guild hits each other. Gearing/group composition, and that’s it. Very little skill in the meta of GvG of this video or of GW2 for that matter.

This is why I want to see Guild Wars GvG fights come back where a smaller group would have to be balanced and require both damage specs as well as protectors, not just have 10 warriors/guardians in a “outlast them” fight.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Natronix.9827:

Lol at the T1 tears.

Do you guys think you’re a speacial snowflake because you optimaze your PPT play? We know what you guys do, and its extremely boring.

You dont just blob with baddies, you:
- Have mutiple 5 man ganking squads around bloodlust to cap and secure it, because this will get you loads of score from the constant fighting
-Have players willing to sit on towers/keep to scout, siege up and shoot anything that passes by
-Escort yaks en masse, play like a turttle most of the time
- If an open field fight is too difficult, set up siege
- “Map politics” lol

Rinse an repeat on all maps, ta da. Oh and when it gets “competitive” you know its time to:
-Siege grief
-Spy other teams voice comms or send alt acct
-Buy guilds for x time zone.
-Set up truces with another server that at the end you’ll the one taking more advantage

Instead of all that kitten you could be having fun just forgetting about the scoreboard and focus more on getting better at using your own character, syncronizing with your team. But nah winning matches is top leet skill amirite

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

You do realize that Sirlin’s #1 caveat to his own philosophy is that if a game’s mechanics are so broken that winning is competitively meaningless, the best move is not to play, right?

I think this might be the best distillation of the T1/T2 divergence that I’ve seen so far. T1 has gone full-Sirlin in a meaningless game mode. Never go full Sirlin.

8/10.

Would watch again, disappointed by lack of flying golems. Full BG tactics not disclosed.

First off HOPE, best video I’ve seen in a while, the music made me laugh my kitten off. I have been on a vast number of servers to include: SFR, JQ, MAG, and TC I have learned a ton from each server and I do not regret being on any of those servers. As far as a T1 breakdown well I do believe the system is broke not the people in it. It is very obvious that my server (MAG) does not have the coverage to be in gold league. We lack serous ocx coverage and early EU. This becomes apparent when our NA shows up and we absolutely wipe most servers and that is being honest. Our NA is very very good and that is well known. If GW2 would want to fix the system base it on the numbers in coverage times maybe try that first and then select brackets.

Now I will give credit where credit it is due, T1 does an excellent job at defending objectives building siege and upgrading is the way to go no doubts there and this is all in part because yes T1 has the coverage to have guilds do certain things at certain times. This is something smaller servers just do not have the man power for. We have to resort in fast hits map hopping and keeping servers off guard and trying to keep everything paper in order to accomplish our objectives.

As far as fighting is concerned, T1 has huge number advantages which in turn has spawned smart players to organize groups to learn how to fight. Sorry T1 you created the monster deal with it. Get out of your blob mentality and learn to actually fight something besides a door. We actually managed to upgrade a certain BL last night on a map and a certain T1 server about crapped themselves when they showed up in 60+ and just couldn’t mindlessly beat on a door to take it down, was quite comical actually. Once again though it became a coverage issue because once again we do not have the numbers to sustain 50+ on all maps.

Now on all this debate about double teaming and T1 tactics. If you are a T1 server and need to help another server all I am going to say to that is WOW! This is a game have fun were not getting paid to do this. This isn’t reality TV and you are not going to be famous at the end of the day. Now I’m not talking about back capping something when someone is fighting another fight. Smart play and I am all for it. I am talking about literally blocking a path for one group just so another group cannot get in. So bad and get better. Just really, really sad that some servers need a crutch to even have a chance to come in last anyways.

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Mag Commander
“They’re So Angry”

Altie.4571:

Hamster.4861:

I’m sorry that you think that looks like a bunch of mess. It’s really an excellent example of how these fights happen. The commander in this video built up reputedly one of the best GvG guilds to play the game.

granted, a lot of stuff is happening at once, but this vid shows you how important positioning is, the stress and risk that comes with staying on pin, and how they manage both their own condition cleansing and application to the enemy.

It’s really an outstanding display of teamwork and discipline

Having always been involved in PvP I disagree with you on so many of the things you listed. Just looking at the video I can see that they aren’t staying on the pin that much because it’s just the smaller scale battles being fought in a smaller area. The fact that the zerg (err guild group) is just chock full of guardians, warriors, necro’s takes care of all the other items you mentioned.

In fact all I see is the reinforcement that the battle is won long before either guild hits each other. Gearing/group composition, and that’s it. Very little skill in the meta of GvG of this video or of GW2 for that matter.

This is why I want to see Guild Wars GvG fights come back where a smaller group would have to be balanced and require both damage specs as well as protectors, not just have 10 warriors/guardians in a “outlast them” fight.

I think you should participate in some GvGs and then check back with us.

Some guilds have reputations for absolutely terrifying melee, some are known to be harmless, and none of them are running anything that is that different from the others. Also, the periph/gank/pick subgame that is taking place around the melee, and the interaction between that and the melee struggle, is very complex.

As a 5+ year vet of the GW1 GvG scene I would definitely classify GW2 GvG as much more complicated. Any guild can achieve a median level of competence by blindly following the tag and mashing skills, but the level of coordination necessary to out-position, out-field, out-strip/cc, and out-finish/res another guild that also knows what they are doing, is very high.

lmfao why on earth was this moved all the way over to this sub-forum

KcB.6890:

Wraith.9426:

You look at what we do and see nothing more than a large zerg running around the map. This is why you failed this week. You need to stop making excuses about why you’re losing and come up with a way to win. You won’t beat us if you don’t give us any more credit than the numbers. Even when you match our numbers you still won’t beat us, and that’s because you can’t understand anything that’s going on beyond just the number of players. So in short: stop complaining on the forums about why you’re losing and try to organize better so you can compete in T1.

It boggles my mind how clueless you are.

Would you care to elaborate? I watched the video, and I’ve seen this same guy commenting on the gw2wvw.net forums. He’s kitten that he can’t compete, so he records a couple times where his group played well so he can try and denigrate the ability of BG. What he’s not showing you are all the times where his guild hit a brick wall and got mopped up. He even said on the other forums that his guild can take a BG guild at a 2 to 1 disadvantage. That’s just absurd and preposterous.

And then people come in here and talk about how they don’t care about PPT… That’s the entire point of the game, why are you playing WvW if you don’t care about the outcome? What would you think about a player on your favorite basketball team saying in an interview, “I just want to have some good isolation matchups with the other team’s best player, I don’t really care about the final score or if my team wins.” Fans would probably want him to go find another team if he doesn’t care about winning. How do you think the people on your server who actually do care about winning feel when they hear you all say that you don’t care about winning or PPT? How are you ever going to inspire your server’s players or attract guild transfers if you just don’t care about the game at all?

Wraith.9426:

KcB.6890:

Wraith.9426:

You look at what we do and see nothing more than a large zerg running around the map. This is why you failed this week. You need to stop making excuses about why you’re losing and come up with a way to win. You won’t beat us if you don’t give us any more credit than the numbers. Even when you match our numbers you still won’t beat us, and that’s because you can’t understand anything that’s going on beyond just the number of players. So in short: stop complaining on the forums about why you’re losing and try to organize better so you can compete in T1.

It boggles my mind how clueless you are.

Would you care to elaborate? I watched the video, and I’ve seen this same guy commenting on the gw2wvw.net forums. He’s kitten that he can’t compete, so he records a couple times where his group played well so he can try and denigrate the ability of BG. What he’s not showing you are all the times where his guild hit a brick wall and got mopped up. He even said on the other forums that his guild can take a BG guild at a 2 to 1 disadvantage. That’s just absurd and preposterous.

And then people come in here and talk about how they don’t care about PPT… That’s the entire point of the game, why are you playing WvW if you don’t care about the outcome? What would you think about a player on your favorite basketball team saying in an interview, “I just want to have some good isolation matchups with the other team’s best player, I don’t really care about the final score or if my team wins.” Fans would probably want him to go find another team if he doesn’t care about winning. How do you think the people on your server who actually do care about winning feel when they hear you all say that you don’t care about winning or PPT? How are you ever going to inspire your server’s players or attract guild transfers if you just don’t care about the game at all?

Oh really have you? Well that’s rather interesting considering I’m not even register on gw2wvw nor have I ever posted there.
And lol … Getting stomped on? What do you expect when going 25v blob. And actually no, when we blobbed for lols we never even got wiped, which proves our point of how mindless it is.

Also wow your post… Yup you are 100% correct that BG “wins” due to skill… Yup coverage has nothing to do with it… Lawl

Wraith.9426:

What he’s not showing you are all the times where his guild hit a brick wall and got mopped up.

I think you missed the entire satirical point of the video. The entire first part is them “hitting a brick wall,” GvOmni-Blob. In the second part, they adopt the “superior tactics” themselves by blobbing up with another guild. Hayb also does an excellent job of demonstrating the personal micro necessary for such a complex strategy to succeed.

Wraith.9426:

And then people come in here and talk about how they don’t care about PPT… That’s the entire point of the game

The final score is not a meaningful competitive metric in any matchup with a significant coverage differential. Guild priorities such as member fun and team improvement take precedence over server priorities. This is why most guilds do not take the score seriously.

Playing against T1 servers is like playing a zombie apocalypse survival game. Every time you kill a wave, the next has 20 more mindless zombies coming for you.

Drigan.7382:

Nihevil.8024:

Thanks for the bag donations tonight in ebg HOPE, too bad you left the map fast, well not really cuz you guys were worth like no wxp. :/

OHHH THE INSULTS DOE, BURN!

Ahhh you mean fights like in this 25 vs 60 fight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqoXs71JN9Q

Ohhhh burn KnT. And Thundercat I’m so stealing that line.