Guild Wars 2

http://youtu.be/u7BLhqhtszk?t=8m45s

Think Ogre has been a kind of voice of the PvP community for a while, thought this would be a nice message to spread the word more to those that don’t follow his show regularly

It’s a shame, really. There is no reason to implement this buff other than to specifically kill the GvG community.

Have fun losing 90% of your hardcore players, Anet…

ParaldaWind.4523:

It’s a shame, really. There is no reason to implement this buff other than to specifically kill the GvG community.

Have fun losing 90% of your hardcore players, Anet…

Yep. Absolutely no other reason than to kill the GvG community. No other reason. Uh-huh.

/s

I hope you don’t think that guy accurately represents your community because the part of the audio you linked to was… very dramatic. The victim complex that guy portrayed was off the charts.

The concentration camp/execution bit was something special.

Eugenides.1274:

ParaldaWind.4523:

It’s a shame, really. There is no reason to implement this buff other than to specifically kill the GvG community.

Have fun losing 90% of your hardcore players, Anet…

Yep. Absolutely no other reason than to kill the GvG community. No other reason. Uh-huh.

/s

Why else would they add a stat bonus? The orbs were specifically removed because of two things, hacking and snowballing. The snowballing will still happen, and greatly hurt WvW. Devon was made WELL aware of this by the community, and still chose to ignore it.

The only reason that Anet would add a stat bonus is to kill GvG, and it’s that simple. GW2 has some of the best open field group PvP of any game ever, and it’s obviously completely incidental, because the devs design the worst possible systems around that combat and ruin their game.

I want Ferguson back.

ParaldaWind.4523:

The only reason that Anet would add a stat bonus is to kill GvG, and it’s that simple.

Paralda, you’re not you when you’re hungry

Here, have a Snickers.

although the video is also very dramatic, his messege is very relevant to many guilds upper tier or lower tier, large and small. while the main goal of the orbs may not be to kill gvgs it can indeed cause snowballing. and push probably the toughest, active guilds that also spend a lot of gems on xfering around looking for gvgs

although the GvG community cannot ask to turn the orbs off, as that is obviously not possible. a simple arena where we could do gvg’s in peace.

although VSL has not started doing gvg yet, in my old guild we did a very large amount of gvgs and it was honestly the most enjoyable fights ive ever had in this game.

do not change WvW for GvG players, but you cannot ignore that it is part of YOUR GAME’S community. and to ignore it will cause them to move to other games like ESO/Wildstar/Unchained etc etc.

so for this do not leave the gvg community in the dark, although u cannot obviously take away the orbs, atleast gives us our own space

is that possible? an a-net response would be wonderful.
also thank you to ogre for all the videos you do on GvG. i have learned many a thing from your videos. keep it up
Cheers

way way overly dramatic soundbite

However, the change will lead towards animosity directed at the GvG players. They will get yelled at for taking up space and yelled at for the points they create via stomps. They created a community out of nothing and should get credit for that. This change does sort of push them out the door.

“Ogre has been the voice of the PvP community…” Wait, what? Since when is mindless GvG now called PvP? GvGers follows the same principle as PvE Raiding in other MMOs, follow the lead, spam AE, rely on mass boons from up to 24 allies… Sorry thats`s not PvP, try gain, when you`re capable of focus targeting, assisting, interrupting, communicating key skills, etc pp. You GvG guys amaze every day… an endless stream of tears and whine combined with an absolute deluded ego that`s blind for reality.

GvG is PvP now… seriously?

Best regards.

Moon.6371:

“Ogre has been the voice of the PvP community…” Wait, what? Since when is mindless GvG now called PvP? GvGers follows the same principle as PvE Raiding in other MMOs, follow the lead, spam AE, rely on mass boons from up to 24 allies… Sorry thats`s not PvP, try gain, when you`re capable of focus targeting, assisting, interrupting, communicating key skills, etc pp. You GvG guys amaze every day… an endless stream of tears and whine combined with an absolute deluded ego that`s blind for reality.

GvG is PvP now… seriously?

Best regards.

I suggest that people like you, who obviously have little to no clue regarding GvG, just stops commenting on the matter, as it really shines through how clueless you really are.

Moon.6371:

“Ogre has been the voice of the PvP community…” Wait, what? Since when is mindless GvG now called PvP? GvGers follows the same principle as PvE Raiding in other MMOs, follow the lead, spam AE, rely on mass boons from up to 24 allies… Sorry thats`s not PvP, try gain, when you`re capable of focus targeting, assisting, interrupting, communicating key skills, etc pp. You GvG guys amaze every day… an endless stream of tears and whine combined with an absolute deluded ego that`s blind for reality.

GvG is PvP now… seriously?

Best regards.

Are you kidding me with this post? You realize PvP stands for player vs player right? In a GvG players are fighting other players therefore it falls under the realm of PvP. Just because its something you dont enjoy some how makes it a less valid form of PvP? How about you take your kitten poor attitude towards other players and the game modes they enjoy elsewhere.

Why wouldn`t I be voicing my opinon, these are the WvW forums afaik. That`s my observations after watching countless GvG`s and after having played most of these so called tiptop GvGers myself in smallscale environment, where individual player skills actually matter…. it`s most of the time just pathetic what these guys are able to deliver.

Get PVT, some guards, warris, wellomancers, sprinkle in an ele and a mesmer and you`re good to go for the cyclejerk called GvG. Sadly, there is not much to have a clue about in GvG, that`s the point.

Your guild and BuLL, Tellerion, are actually the only notable exceptions, there are some VcY members, that indeed know how to play. That doesn`t make GvG any more challenging, tho. It`s Baby-PvP for people who are not able to master their classes properly. Yeah, and I`ve met them all on the field, at least the EU ones.

Best regards

Just ignore the BUKA guy. He is one of the many self-appointed PvP pro’s who feel superior when they hunt upscaled/player with zerg builds from the tail of a zerg while they are using cookie cutter builds (stunlock warriors/prismatic understanding mesmer/Perplexity engis/ etc.).

b2t it’s like a smash in the face for the…. well… let’s call it “the community which is organizing ingame wvw events”.
We have built up a very strong, pretty big and growing community with a huge potencial. We created on our own new incentives and long term goals for specific guilds which Anet haven’t been able to do for us for like a year.

I would be careful with the statement that we will be losing all the guilds from
“the community which is organizing ingame wvw events” up to now.
I’m sure the “ingame wvw events” will continue because of the hell of a fun.
But they will never be as competetive as they use to be because there will be always a bad aftertaste when you see you won with a +50/100/150 all stat buff. Not just because of the buff but well…it’s actually a combat changing advantage.

Lastly, I would like to personally thank MartyPartys and Ogre who get this all going.
Let’s see how it developes.

oh man…it’s so stupid to avoid one single and simple word. Don’t even know why I did that.

P.S. I bet this thread will be getting moved to Community Corner > Linksville. Seeya there. :P

I would love to change your mind. Hope some day you can watch an EP gvg from the hill, Moon. Videos cannot show what is truly happening.

This is true pvp, utilizing ANet’s combo mechanic to the max. The concentration needed in these fights are high, very high.

@Moon

So you think player killing player is not pvp but player bunkering at a point for points is a pvp? Think about it yourself, even Anet has it confused about it, making sPvP/tPvP boring as kitten.

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw: splitsecond heal/stomp interrupts, focus targeting, assisting, safe stomping, actual communication between team members (not just a single badboy shouting commands) and so on – that`s PvP. All that stuff gets lost in GvG, mark the leader.. yay.

If 20% of your GvG team sucks, it won`t make a notable difference, because it`s just four guys out of twenty, it gets lost in numbers. If 20% of any 5 man sucks, it will heavily affect the outcome. Think about it. That`s what makes GvG a joke, same as PvE raiding.

It is just not as demanding and challenging to the individual player skills, more coordination driven, very much like PvE raiding.

Best regards.

Trush me if 10% of my GvG team suck it makes a big difference had you done big gvg, like 20v20.
Pls tell me your experience in GvG Because you can NOT talk about GvG skill without doing many of it, and also not all the player during a gvg understand what is happening only the best teams have everybody in the right combat awerennes, so show us your gvg experience or GFTO

Moon.6371:

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw: splitsecond heal/stomp interrupts, focus targeting, assisting, safe stomping, actual communication between team members (not just a single badboy shouting commands) and so on – that`s PvP. All that stuff gets lost in GvG, mark the leader.. yay.

If 20% of your GvG team sucks, it won`t make a notable difference, because it`s just four guys out of twenty, it gets lost in numbers. If 20% of any 5 man sucks, it will heavily affect the outcome. Think about it. That`s what makes GvG a joke, same as PvE raiding.

It is just not as demanding and challenging to the individual player skills, more coordination driven, very much like PvE raiding.

Best regards.

You, Sir, have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Have you ever participated any form of largescale pvp by a proper guild? I guess no.
All the things you mentioned is part of GvG, you may just not see it.

Stomping is one of the most important things in an GvG. Proper guilds usually get their downed up before you can even set a stomp and if you go for it, you can expect a lot of aoes on that position. So you have to decide, do I go for a stomp or not? Can I survive that damage or is it worth to use my [oh-kitten] button to get that stomp through, in case that player doesnt get up before your stomp goes through ofcourse. You have different types of focus targeting. You have the meele ball hitting all the same targets to get the main dps rolling, you have the backline killer trying to focus down single people of the enemy backline, you have coordinated burst strikes combinated with CC to break parts of the enemy groups or force them to use their [oh-kitten] buttons. Only because you can’t see it, doesnt mean it isn’t there.

For the communication aspect: I can only heavily advise you to watch the released voiced GvG footage from Red Guard. I bet your first impression will be like: “wtf, I can’t understand anything at all, so many people shouting over each other”. But if you know what you have to listen to and what not, you can easily see the battle just by hearing it.

and for your number aspect: 20% is 20%. it doesnt matter if the size is 5vs5 or 20vs20. The relative number is the same and heavily influences the groups output regardless of their size.

And again: only because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean that this is inferior to any other aspect of the game. It only focuses other parts.

You guys enter every thread around yelling and screaming how important you are for the game, now you even call it PvP what you`re doing. It`s funny enough, that it is always the same 10-15 guys telling anybody else how special their GvG community and efforts is. Please don`t tell me what to do, as long as you guys do the same whereever you go.

I don`t have to be part of what I can see is clearly not PvP (maybe an infants version of it). Thanks to free "visitor"s access at the mill, youtube & twitch there`s plenty of opportunity to watch your performance even first person plus audio, hence the player`s mechanics as well – summary: nothing to be proud of, nothing to be called competitive, nothing to see there, really.

Have fun running cycles in PVT, hua!

Moon.6371:

Why wouldn`t I be voicing my opinon, these are the WvW forums afaik. That`s my observations after watching countless GvG`s and after having played most of these so called tiptop GvGers myself in smallscale environment, where individual player skills actually matter…. it`s most of the time just pathetic what these guys are able to deliver.

Get PVT, some guards, warris, wellomancers, sprinkle in an ele and a mesmer and you`re good to go for the cyclejerk called GvG. Sadly, there is not much to have a clue about in GvG, that`s the point.

Your guild and BuLL, Tellerion, are actually the only notable exceptions, there are some VcY members, that indeed know how to play. That doesn`t make GvG any more challenging, tho. It`s Baby-PvP for people who are not able to master their classes properly. Yeah, and I`ve met them all on the field, at least the EU ones.

Best regards

Your very much entitled to share your opinion on the matter, however, my point was that the statements you seem to be making differs a lot from the actual reality of things. You even said it yourself that the experience you have is based on having seen some videos and having fought some of these “tiptop GvG’ers” in a small scaled setting. Anyone with basic knowledge about WvW/GvG knows that these guys will be running builds/specs more suited for larger field fights, which makes them vulnerable for people that’s purely built into duels/smaller scaled combat. Small scaled combat differs from larger scale, just because you favor one over the other doesn’t give you the right to badmouth the other, as your experience/knowledge is obviously very much lacking, I for example don’t go about commenting on living story when I know kittenall about the subject.

I’m not by this implying that larger scale fights require the most of each individual, as it’s obviously more room for individuals failing when there’s more people involved, that point we can agree on. But to move fluently as a big group does require practice and a certain degree of skill, thinking otherwise is plain stupid and ignorant.

Entering every thread yelling and screaming? Can you read, we just asking for the buff to not be stats and make it selectable and pls Anet give us an arena so we can sort our stuff out, like that’s the gvg community, in 3 line, i don’t know which forum you reading but i think is the wrong one

Anyways your Argument is heavly Flawed, you don’t even want to watch proof, i guess you just want to see your opinion, i was top 300 in Tpvp, before meta went full kitten i know pvp, i played a lot with with my team mate in Tpvp, i know pvp when i see it and i’ll tell you 10v10 is very very close to big team fight on foefire, and positioning is everything, team coordination is needed 100% or the group just don’t work. Going from there to 15v15, 20v20 more coordination is needed and everyone needs to be at 100% all the time.
If you ever want to run with a proper gvg/wvw guild ask, will show you what is needed and then maybe you change your view.

Was there anyone in the wvw community who wanted these orbs in wvwvw? I didnt read about it until one of the debs started mentioning it.

Dear GvG Community,

I know you guys are begging for some structured group combat, but I have to inform and educate you guys about something.

This is WvW.

End of story, If they want to implement stuff for WvW they have the right to do it. So please stop the complaining.

GvG wont happening anytime soon, it has been said a few times already. Deal with it.

We know, thats why we ask for the simple option to turn off the buff, since we’re clearly not getting more anytime soon

Odinzu.9645:

This is true pvp, utilizing ANet’s combo mechanic to the max. The concentration needed in these fights are high, very high.

as opposed to what?

that moon guy might be wrong about gvg not being pvp (for obvious reasons), however calling that guy in the video the voice of pvp is waaaaay over the top
and his little speech where he compares your community with jews that were being hunted and exterminated is just too much. this right here is one of the reasons people don’t take you guys serious.

Well there is a wide spread of truth with something in the middle, the thing you need to understand is try to get piece by piece of voice of the Gvg community to understand who and what they want before judgeing.
Is important to don’t present flawed argument, to keep the conversation about content not Single point of view without any basis.

Well, at first you`re saying there`s a wide spread of truth inbetween many personal opinions, then you continue to call out the opinions you don`t agree with for not having any basis? You see the contradiction?

To be honest, I had and still have absolutely no problem with GvG, nor the people who enjoy it. But the amount of self-praise, whining and attention-whoring of GvGers by far exceeds its importancy and legitimacy as a form of high level PvP (in my personal opinion) within the game mode called wvw. It is an abomination of the original idea of open world roaming. Show some respect to people who might find the recently introduced and to be implemented changes to wvw very appealing, and respect will be given back to you.

The overall attitude and arrogance of this Ogre guy is just disgusting, totally out of place and generally insulting to players who prefer playing WvW instead of GvG.

I hope I made my point a bit more clear.

Anyways, have fun and good luck (sincerely) with your proposal for a game mode catering to your preferred style of play.

how hard can it be to cap pvp arenas to 20 or 25 players instead of 10?

i think this is where you guys should start pushing. maybe go to pvp forum and start asking devs for that option.

Magnetron.5823:

Dear GvG Community,

I know you guys are begging for some structured group combat, but I have to inform and educate you guys about something.

This is WvW.

End of story, If they want to implement stuff for WvW they have the right to do it. So please stop the complaining.

GvG wont happening anytime soon, it has been said a few times already. Deal with it.

I have to agree with this.

While I do respect the community the GvG’ers have created, you have to realize that your actions can be selfish and damaging to the server/WvW community has a whole. I would not be pleased with 25 players being on the map and contributing nothing useful to the actual WvW match, other than taking up 25 queue slots. Those 25 players could be defending and capturing instead of hiding in an isolated corner of the map trading kills (and points very soon) with the enemy.

What it comes down to is this. If you don’t want to participate in WvW, don’t enter it. I would like to see GvG added for those that do want it, so by all means keep pressuring Anet to add it. But consider the repercussions of your GvG matches. You are not being a valuable/needed part of the WvW community when you are doing nothing to contribute to your server’s WvW match, aside from distracting 25 enemy players.

I like ogre a lot and I respect the GvGers.

I don’t believe that this is Anet completely stamping out the GvG community, as it is phasing the GvG seperation from WvW. I believe that Anet’s intention is to eventually bring a new type of PvP that hones directly into sPvP but in a GvG style with no objectives and no cap to player limit as far as the players have control over. That’s just my speculation, but from what I hear from all Anet employees is how fun GvG was in the first Guild Wars.

Do you really think that Anet is going to just let the staple and title of a game that is literally called Guild Wars lose sight of a player base?

In the perspective of someone that has worked on game development, these contents that is being released is not easy to make. The time it takes to integrate new maps and modes is really long. I am positive that they can bring attention to a GvG oriented mode that might be in the sPvP or in a stand a lone map in WvW, much like how they made the jumping puzzle in EB it’s own instance.

I get Ogre’s perception, but the game has been out for only a year. The time it takes to make any large content updates is about a year, the fact they keep coming out with new content a month is pretty astonishing. (even though it PvE oriented)

I am not saying that this introduction of orbs is bad or good, but it is a response to stagnation that most WvWers can say needs to spice things up again. This gives small teams more to do then just flip camps or trying to ninja towers. 1 man roamer now can be a significant part in trolling the orb cap points and/or stomping some poor guy trying to rally to the main zerg.

If orbs are a solution, they’re responding to the complaints that small teams have little significance and how karma farming towers/camps gets boring. If they’re willing to make this big change in response, I am sure they’re thinking about and/or working on a way to bring a GvG team death match feel back in to the game.

Don’t worry my fellow WvW/PvP/GvG enthusiasts, have faith.

…Or until they openly say they hate GvG team death match and that it will never be supported in an official announcement. -_- ;

i really enjoy to watch some of the gvgs, but i think some of you guys go way too far with complaining.
there´s too much qq here
50 status points make the fights a little bit unequal, but it´s not the world… so stop qq, start fighting!

a gvg mode would be nice, but general wvw is more important. you have to accept that the gvg-community is still a minority compared to all randoms, smallscalers, wvw-fokused-but-not-gvg-guilds, …
i also think some of you overestimate your importance for wvw. for example my server, kodash, has no gvg-guild and wvw is still alive here. (yes, we have VII since two weeks, but i havent seen too much of them when they were not fighting gvg. they are not of any importance for kodash-wvw)
one or two servers would become weakened if some gvg guilds quit, but wvw will go on with or without you

The bloodlust gives bonuses to ur server-members as long as u stay in that <<area>> that u have captured the 3 <<bases>> ?
In <<Eternal Battlegrounds>> there will be this <<mechanic>> also ?
If not , would u be able to do ur GvG there ?

Let me debunk most of what the naysayers are typing here:

Statement: GvG hurts WvW players
Answer: GvGers paid their $60 just like you and play how they WANT to play. Just like I could xfer a 1000 man guild to your server, fill up a map, and sit there in spawn causing you to lose the week. You can’t do kitten about it…let’s not get into Jumping Puzzles, Grub, etc. mmkay?

S: Disrespecting GW1 by calling GvG in GW2 GvG
A: Go play GW1 GvG then. No one is stopping you. Guild vs Guild is simply 2 guilds duking it out. Nothing more nothing less. Infact GW1 PvP blew a herd of goats compared to PvP in other MMO’s. <— Fact and not disputable.

S: GvG is not PvP and is a slap in the face of tPvPers
A: GvG is Player vs Player. I’m sorry that GvG is more popular than tPvP. Let’s face it the tPvP/sPvP in this game sucks. There is no getting around it and we the players have found our avenue for enjoyment.

S: GvG players have no skill and die easily when I fight them outside of GvG
A: If you make that statement please list your server and play times. I’m sure there are GvG players out there who will fight you in a Fight Club or come find you. Personally my guild GvGs. Everyone in my guild is solid in small skirmishes.

S: GvGers are arrogant
A: Yes a lot are, but no more arrogant than the tPvP players of today. See lots of ppl would glorify some bunker point hugger in tPvP who just held a point vs 2 ppl….but on the flip side hate on that GvGer who just killed spiked 5 ppl by himself. Hypocrisy is strong with y’all

S: Anet is working on GvG now
A: We found a perfectly legit way of finding enjoyment. If they implement a command to turn off orb bonuses all this goes away. Also I’m not waiting kittening months for Anet to implement something that will pale to what the players have now.

There is a simple truth to successful PvP in MMO’s. EVERY single MMO that has had great PvP all have ONE thing in common.

The players create it.

You provided the game/engine/system the players take those tools and create the best PvP possible for your game.

UO/DAoC/AC/SB/etc/etc

All these games known for great PvP had the players create the standard. You aren’t a moba game….and quite frankly if we wanted that we can go play LoL, DOTA2, or w/e else there is for it. You Anet have created an MMO with tons of potential for lasting PvP.

Its time to wake up and see that your player base has found the answer for you. We’ve had single matches w/ over 1k ppl watching live world wide, matches on youtube with insane amounts of views, and a rinky-dink GvG show that has thousands of viewers as well. This is happening and all you have to do is literally NOTHING.

Please give us an option to turn off blood lust bonuses. That’s it….nothing else until we show you again beyond a shadow of a doubt that GvG is the way for this game.

ps. WvW numbers for 1 week is greater than the entire GW1 population…..The amount that GvG or watch/follow GvG is prolly greater than any amount of PvPer in GW1.

Jinks.2057:

Let me debunk most of what the naysayers are typing here:

Statement: GvG hurts WvW players
Answer: GvGers paid their $60 just like you and play how they WANT to play. Just like I could xfer a 1000 man guild to your server, fill up a map, and sit there in spawn causing you to lose the week. You can’t do kitten about it …let’s not get into Jumping Puzzles, Grub, etc. mmkay?

Actually, that would be considered match manipulation and would likely result in a lot of banning. Although I would only consider it so myself if there were large amounts of player involved, GvG could fall under the same category.

They paid their $60 and can play any way that Anet deems acceptable.

mrstealth.6701:

Jinks.2057:

Let me debunk most of what the naysayers are typing here:

Statement: GvG hurts WvW players
Answer: GvGers paid their $60 just like you and play how they WANT to play. Just like I could xfer a 1000 man guild to your server, fill up a map, and sit there in spawn causing you to lose the week. You can’t do kitten about it …let’s not get into Jumping Puzzles, Grub, etc. mmkay?

Actually, that would be considered match manipulation and would likely result in a lot of banning. Although I would consider it so myself unless there were large amounts of player involved, GvG could fall under the same category.

They paid their $60 and can play any way that Anet deems acceptable.

Nope….maybe I should do that to yak’s???? Completely make sure your WvW experience is a failure just b/c I can.

You’ll rage….you’ll cry…..and you’ll realize that what y’all suggest for GvG is the exact same thing

Except that GvGers partake in WvW frequently. GvGers are the top players on your server…wait nm you’re from Yaks

The fact ppl complain that GvG pulls players from objectives and effects the map they are on further proves my point.

Thx

Moon.6371:

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw:

Lol smallscale wvw. Yeah, it takes skillz to troll the random clueless rookies running around with pve builds.
Oh and “exciting spvp”, whahahahahhahahahahahahahha, I quess some find “Here comes the petting zoo” exciting.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Moon.6371:

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw:

Lol smallscale wvw. Yeah, it takes skillz to troll the random clueless rookies running around with pve builds.

Lol yeah it takes skill to run around in a zerg ball and smash your face against doors for a gazillion hours. ESAD.

Whats with the GW1 bashing? GW1 PvP was great, a mix of tower defense type play with MMO elements. Was a totally different game but still was the 2nd largest MMO for years. Was also much smaller in budget so what do you expect?

Anyway, GvG is very popular in this game and there are over 200 guilds involved, thats over 4200 people if you only count the people in the match. If you count the guilds as a whole its closer to 20,000 people, maybe more and its growing, and if you count the amount of people that show up to watch GvG’s the number only grows more

Anet really needs to address this. It’s a community made PvP arena that’s somewhat underground, and has that many people interested in it. If they made it official only more people would join in. This has never happened in such a large scale in any other MMO I’ve played. How can they just ignore it?

In all honestly it’s amazing it even works now. Though at anytime people can mess up a GvG, it rarely happens. There’s nothing from stopping the people watching from jumping in, or the other people on map coming to screw with it, but it doesn’t happen. In general It’s respected by players and to me that level of cooperation in a online game with little to nothing being said is amazing and demands attention from the devs

Dr Acula.3496:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Moon.6371:

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw:

Lol smallscale wvw. Yeah, it takes skillz to troll the random clueless rookies running around with pve builds.

Lol yeah it takes skill to run around in a zerg ball and smash your face against doors for a gazillion hours. ESAD.

I don’t do that though. I used to roam a lot in small groups and solo. But then I realised it’s really nothing else but trolling rookies and avoiding enemy zergs, perhaps flipping some camps and killing a couple of cows. Pointless when you find even fights against skilled opponents much more easily from fight clubs.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Dr Acula.3496:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Moon.6371:

Well at least everything that makes PvP exciting is involved in tPvP and smallscale wvw:

Lol smallscale wvw. Yeah, it takes skillz to troll the random clueless rookies running around with pve builds.

Lol yeah it takes skill to run around in a zerg ball and smash your face against doors for a gazillion hours. ESAD.

I don’t do that though. I used to roam a lot in small groups and solo. But then I realised it’s really nothing else but trolling rookies and avoiding enemy zergs, perhaps flipping some camps and killing a couple of cows. Pointless when you find even fights against skilled opponents much more easily from fight clubs.

Well my good man, i can’t argue against that. Some of the best fights ive had in this game have been at fight clubs.

Istaf.1953:

Anet really needs to address this. It’s a community made PvP arena that’s somewhat underground, and has that many people interested in it. If they made it official only more people would join in. This has never happened in such a large scale in any other MMO I’ve played. How can they just ignore it?

In all honestly it’s amazing it even works now. Though at anytime people can mess up a GvG, it rarely happens. There’s nothing from stopping the people watching from jumping in, or the other people on map coming to screw with it, but it doesn’t happen. In general It’s respected by players and to me that level of cooperation in a online game with little to nothing being said is amazing and demands attention from the devs

I do agree that Anet should embrace the idea. There is a community with a strong desire for it, and they should get a dedicated place to do this. Some of the GvG community needs to realize this, though. Stop worrying about so staunchly defending your presence in the WvW maps, and push for your own game mode to be added.

If that does get added, you’ll have a place to do GvGs in peace, and still be able to WvW anytime you want. It’s a win for both sides of this.

mrstealth.6701:

Istaf.1953:

Anet really needs to address this. It’s a community made PvP arena that’s somewhat underground, and has that many people interested in it. If they made it official only more people would join in. This has never happened in such a large scale in any other MMO I’ve played. How can they just ignore it?

In all honestly it’s amazing it even works now. Though at anytime people can mess up a GvG, it rarely happens. There’s nothing from stopping the people watching from jumping in, or the other people on map coming to screw with it, but it doesn’t happen. In general It’s respected by players and to me that level of cooperation in a online game with little to nothing being said is amazing and demands attention from the devs

I do agree that Anet should embrace the idea. There is a community with a strong desire for it, and they should get a dedicated place to do this. Some of the GvG community needs to realize this, though. Stop worrying about so staunchly defending your presence in the WvW maps, and push for your own game mode to be added.

If that does get added, you’ll have a place to do GvGs in peace, and still be able to WvW anytime you want. It’s a win for both sides of this.

The real problem is that 9 times out of 10 the devs completely ignore the player base whennit comes to things we would like (unless its PvE related). Not to mention even if they did decide to finally make a place where we could GvG, we are SOL in the mean time.

mrstealth.6701:

Stop worrying about so staunchly defending your presence in the WvW maps, and push for your own game mode to be added.

If that does get added, you’ll have a place to do GvGs in peace, and still be able to WvW anytime you want. It’s a win for both sides of this.

Pretty much every GvGer has been asking for that already. The problem is devs aren’t even acknowledging GvG exist, and seem to want to cover it up.

@ Jinks:

“S: GvG players have no skill and die easily when I fight them outside of GvG
A: If you make that statement please list your server and play times. I’m sure there are GvG players out there who will fight you in a Fight Club or come find you. Personally my guild GvGs. Everyone in my guild is solid in small skirmishes.”

My server is Kodash, I`m available almost every day, I`m waiting for you. You`re welcome any day to back up your claim to be solid at smallscale. PM me, whatever you want. With two notable exceptions (I already mentioned them) there wasn`t a single group of GvGers that were able to put up a fight during the past 12 months in duels or smallscale. I`m always pleased when I meet good players, they just dont happen to be GvGers usually.

Best regards.

Istaf.1953:

Pretty much every GvGer has been asking for that already. The problem is devs aren’t even acknowledging GvG exist, and seem to want to cover it up.

Unfortunately, it’s not something they wanted to be in the game. Guilds were intended to be a social aspect, not a competitive one. It might be called “Guild Wars”, but the name is lore reference, not a indication of wars between guilds being a part of the game. It’s quite amazing that this community does exist, but you have to realize you are going directly against the grain on what Anet intended for WvW.

That does make it a hard push to make them change their minds. That applies to every part of the game, even PvE. There are many things being asked for there, while what we get are the opposite, or totally unrelated/unwanted changes. All I can say is keeping pushing for it, and try to minimize any possible negative impact on WvW with your matches.

Try to avoid times when full queues are likely, so you’re not keeping out WvWers.

If the server not participating in the GvG decides to take advantage of the reduced WvW force, respond to calls for help or clear the queue so others may enter.

As someone mentioned above, players tend to not interfere with GvG matches, so I think it’s reasonable to expect the same courtesy from GvGers in regards to the WvW match. The two communities can exist together.

mrstealth.6701:

Unfortunately, it’s not something they wanted to be in the game. Guilds were intended to be a social aspect, not a competitive one. It might be called “Guild Wars”, but the name is lore reference, not a indication of wars between guilds being a part of the game. It’s quite amazing that this community does exist, but you have to realize you are going directly against the grain on what Anet intended for WvW.

What does that have to do with anything? I’m not shouting “the game is called guild wars, therefore there should be guild battles”. Saying that is arbitrary. What is not arbitrary is that larger 20v20 fights is fun in this game for a lot of people. While it’s called GvG, you could also call sPvP GvG assuming it was two guilds fighting.

What Anet intended is irrelevant, what players want is.

mrstealth.6701:

As someone mentioned above, players tend to not interfere with GvG matches, so I think it’s reasonable to expect the same courtesy from GvGers in regards to the WvW match. The two communities can exist together.

Generally, most GvG’s take place later in the week so it doesn’t matter. Of the 10 or so GvG’s [RET] has taken part in we’ve never had a queue and assuming there was one we’d most likely have to move BL’s anyway.

Also with the bloodlust buff, the two communities can not exist together, as one of the two has been destroyed .

Istaf.1953:

What does that have to do with anything? I’m not shouting “the game is called guild wars, therefore there should be guild battles”. Saying that is arbitrary. What is not arbitrary is that larger 20v20 fights is fun in this game for a lot of people. While it’s called GvG, you could also call sPvP GvG assuming it was two guilds fighting.

I’m not claiming that you are, but it’s something I’ve seen mentioned many times in relation to those wanting a GvG mode. It just seems to be a quite common misconception.

I do agree that bloodlust is a bad idea for both communities. It’s another way for servers with far superior numbers to gain even more of an advantage and is a definite imbalance for GvGs.

However, it is possible that both GvG teams will have the bloodlust buff. They are server-wide (across all 4 maps) so as long as each team has no or 1 bloodlust stack, it can be balanced. The problem is that any capturing of the new points during the GvG could change this.

You also have to consider that Anet might not want this happening. There is a community for it, but that is still a small portion of the playerbase. If they don’t think that community is large enough to go through the effort of making a new gametype, then that won’t happen. And, as unfortunate as it may be, they aren’t likely to change their intentions for WvW to cater to that community’s needs.

mrstealth.6701:

And, as unfortunate as it may be, they aren’t likely to change their intentions for WvW to cater to that community’s needs.

They’re not catering for WvW players either. The new buff will only enhance the coverage war problem, not the zerg problem. This update is bad for everyone, especially servers with low coverage. They should take out the buff aspect of the middle points, while keeping the “stab for points” aspect. Everyone wins.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Eugenides.1274:

ParaldaWind.4523:

It’s a shame, really. There is no reason to implement this buff other than to specifically kill the GvG community.

Have fun losing 90% of your hardcore players, Anet…

Yep. Absolutely no other reason than to kill the GvG community. No other reason. Uh-huh.

/s

Why else would they add a stat bonus? The orbs were specifically removed because of two things, hacking and snowballing. The snowballing will still happen, and greatly hurt WvW. Devon was made WELL aware of this by the community, and still chose to ignore it.

The only reason that Anet would add a stat bonus is to kill GvG, and it’s that simple. GW2 has some of the best open field group PvP of any game ever, and it’s obviously completely incidental, because the devs design the worst possible systems around that combat and ruin their game.

I want Ferguson back.

Best open field pvp? No. I could name 5 MMOs with better open field in an instant.

Theyre not adding it to remove GvG, but to improve the incentive to use the new area of the map for the other 90% of the population.

Quit being selfish

The simple removal of the stat buff would make this new mechanic really bring the 2 communities together.
Having the new orb mechanic award PPT for kills was actually a suggestion I made to Devon a while ago.
Say you’re doing a 15v15 or a 20v20 in a map. Usually a round happens every 10-15 mins.
Getting 10 stomps during those 15 mins of GvG is something totally attainable.
So now, if your guild is winning a GvG while having the buff x1, it’s basically the same as holding 1 tower. Having the buff x3, it’s like holding SM. The entire “GvGers should be gone to open up room for people that want PPT” argument falls to pieces.
Good guilds would start getting encouraged by the server to do GvGs, since that would give a really good point boost to them.

A lower poped server with really good guilds can recover some of the PPT difference by having their main guilds GvG every night against the overpopulated one.

But, not of this can happen if the stat buff comes in a kills this part of the community