Guild Wars 2

His work on lore is second to none. I fully support this!

Keenan.6724:

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Gmr Leon.1846:

Keenan.6724:

I agree with this and must say I strongly disagree with Konig Des Todes and Lonami. I think both individuals are confusing WoodenPotatoes role in the GW2 community as a ‘lore specialist’ when in fact his emphasis is community outreach. Since both are keen on backing up their claims, I will point to WoodenPotatoes many other video contributions (let’s plays, jumping puzzles, learn to PvP, and introductions to tPvP, and summaries of GW1 storylines) as suggesting that he is more broadly interested in keeping the community engaged rather than perfectly informed on the many details of Tyrian lore. I think a strong analogy is the difference between a Scientist and a Science Writer. The scientist is the expert that provides original contributions and knows the very ins and outs of their subject. Like an expert in a field, Konig Des Todes is claiming that many other lore experts are better informed on a particular subject than WoodenPotatoes, and thus they would be more deserving of an honor. However, that misses the point. WP does not claim to be any form of an expert (oftentimes admitting so in his videos). WP’s role is to disseminate any and all forms of GW2 knowledge to as many people as possible in hopes that the community stays active. Dulfy does the very same thing. She brings together widespread information and distills it into one easy to find place, so that users can share, discuss, and experience the game more easily.

If you want to argue that people who perform this task are not worthy of recognition you are free to do so, but claiming that WP has not contributed significantly to the community because he’s not lore-perfect is something I disagree with.

If it’s for community outreach or something, sure, why not? We’ve seen similarish things happen. I think the biggest point of contention here is over whether it should be for lore, which you neatly sidestep by looking at the bigger picture.

Edit:…wait, I should be angry about this. I’m the one who got the ball rolling with all the recordkeeping, darn it! I started the archives, the most absurd project ever for the lore community to make it easier to keep track of theories and speculation, which through collaboration with Konig we ensured carried forward to the more popular GW forums.

Ahaha, nah though, it’s all cool.

And if that significantly smaller subset of the overall GW2 community wants to petition for your recognition, they are welcome to do so. Obviously your contributions aren’t as far-reaching as those of WoodenPotatoes’, even if you happen to be a bigger fan of yourself than him.
Also, I did not sidestep any issue. The original post acknowledges WP for his ‘extensive work in summarizing the events of GW 1, making tutorial videos and his ongoing record keeping of the Guild Wars 2 lore.’ Clearly you’ve latched onto the lore aspect of the post, because that’s the part where you feel that you are superior to WP. However, you seem to have ignored the full extent of the original post by not seeing that the community members in this thread are also acknowledging his tutorials and GW1 summaries.
You can be as angry as you’d like, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that WP’s efforts are obviously being acknowledged by the community.

what. Dude, I’m with you. I’m backing you. Why you gotta be this way man.

But seriously, I honestly just incidentally remembered my recordkeeping contribution as I reread the OP and caught that part. I was also aiming to compliment you by saying you sidestepped the lore part as a focus to encourage refocusing the suggestion on a community role basis, not anything else. D=

Sorry if it came across the wrong way, my edit was meant lightheartedly.

I most definitely approve of this. WoodenPotatoes is the man who got me into the lore of the game and since that day, I have purchased all the books and delve as deep into the story as I possibly can.

If anyone deserves a spot in Guild wars 2’s history it’s him!

Such a wonderful idea!

So, I uh, support this whole idea.

I vote for “Woden the Potato Farmer” as an npc easter egg/dedication. It has lore flavor . Could even make him a karma vendor of potatoes and wooden objects.

I fully support this. He definitely should be a member of the priory, like a reddit user “sansamb” posted: “Yes, i think he should be a member of the durmond priory, who when spoken to gives you all the current lore in the game and will give little bits of information on GW mysteries.”

I mean, the guy’s even close to rank 50 in pvp and teaching newbies to pvp that aspect of the game. To me as an avid sPvp player that’s just amazing, besides all the outstanding work in lore!

Please make this happen.

no, i don’t like him, and making video shouldn’t for any reason grant you a special award in the game. i don’t see why.
Dulfy may be an exception because she does a lot more than video of jumping puzzles and or mixing up theory for lore

My vote, I don’t care either way. I’ve never watched one of those videos but if you all like them then cool. I almost never interact with NCPs unless they are merchants and such. I never pay attention to their looks or names anyway. So if the suggestion goes through I’d never even notice unless his NPC was giving away free stuff.

While I agree that his videos are nice and I love the fact he gets more people interested in the lore of the GW universe, I do not think he should get an ingame representation. Why? His videos are, as I said, nice. But his facts are sometimes inaccurate, or proven wrong.

If there should be an ingame representation relating to community lore efforts, there are a few people I can think of that should take precedence. Some people have been very active on the lore community since GW1. Of course would these people actually want anything like that is another story. Maybe something that would point to the lore community as a whole, instead of few individuals.

Great idea! WoodenPotatoes’ light and funny lore ramblings have immersed me in Tyria, keeping me hooked to your game by making the characters truly come alive.
(Not to mention his considerable efforts in other GW2 areas, including the only jumping puzzle tutorials that did not make me feel bad about my jumping abilities.)

Let’s ignore some of the obvious jealousy in here. WP should be in the game.

Cecht.4102:

If there should be an ingame representation relating to community lore efforts, there are a few people I can think of that should take precedence.

Can you name any please? I am interested.

Nice idea… where do I sign?

I think this is a tremendous idea, the combination of his knowledge and his easily-accessible presentation of that information warrants it.

He does not need to have been the first bloke in-game, nor strolling forums for years – he is a Lore populariser, which is far more useful a role than a +1er in my book

1. Post multiple game-related videos on YouTube.
2. Get videos upvoted by Reddit.
3. Get myself an in-game NPC.

Woo, sounds like a plan. I should get started on this right away.

Torinor.9521:

Cecht.4102:

If there should be an ingame representation relating to community lore efforts, there are a few people I can think of that should take precedence.

Can you name any please? I am interested.

I know they don’t think themselves as anything special, but Konig and drax have been extremely active on the lore community since GW1. And their knowledge of the lore is amazing.

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate WPs efforts on bringing the lore to the masses. For a community outreach, yes he might deserve an homage. But for lore, there are many who contribute more to the discussions. If anything, the whole lore community is amazing and might deserve an homage in the game (as a whole).

And I apologize Konig and drax, I know you guys don’t consider yourselves as the nr1 lore source, just my observations since GW1.

Amadan.9451:

no, i don’t like him, and making video shouldn’t for any reason grant you a special award in the game. i don’t see why.
Dulfy may be an exception because she does a lot more than video of jumping puzzles and or mixing up theory for lore

And she’s a girl so she’s more deserving.

Couldn’t agree more! WP has greatly enhanced my enjoyment ingame, the majority of lore I now know about Tyria is due to the amazing effort he puts into his channel. I hope he gets this. Durmand Priory would be perfect.

Signed.

I totally agree with the OP. WoodenPotatoes is a great source for GW and GW2 lore. He puts his heart and soul into his work and I can totally agree to an in-game representation of him!

Agreed, his videos makes me more involved in the story and also makes me more interested in the game overall.

Wholeheartedly agree! As some have said, his videos have been a great part of the reason I keep coming back to the game. It’s not just about the Lore though, it’s the way he makes content engaging and accesible.

I like the idea posted on reddit of his character updating you on the current lore. Would be an ideal way to implement the “whats happened so far”, perhaps with cutscenes, for those that have missed portions of the living world story

“I know they don’t think themselves as anything special, but Konig and drax have been extremely active on the lore community since GW1.”

You should read the first page of this; Konig seems to have a different idea as to what he thinks of himself and his contributions to the community.

As for Dulfy being put in as an NPC, well it happened. I am not sure we’ll be seeing more of those to be honest despite my opinion on the matter. I am not sure we really should. Still I felt it was a nice suggestion by the OP. Opinions on a subject such as this is always going to be very split and very “heart on your sleeve”

KOPPER.1458:

“I know they don’t think themselves as anything special, but Konig and drax have been extremely active on the lore community since GW1.”

You should read the first page of this; Konig seems to have a different idea as to what he thinks of himself and his contributions to the community.

As for Dulfy being put in as an NPC, well it happened. I am not sure we’ll be seeing more of those to be honest despite my opinion on the matter. I am not sure we really should. Still I felt it was a nice suggestion by the OP. Opinions on a subject such as this is always going to be very split and very “heart on your sleeve”

And if ye read his side point, he says he doesn’t really want or need an npc after himself. Yes, it would make him excited as it would show his dedication to the game (any GW fan would love to see themselves in game), but he “doesn’t want it”. He also says “(which I’m not too fond of the last but meh it happened)”. He never has asked for the community to acknowledge him as a ‘lore god’’, tbh my past experiences with him have him pointing out drax and leon and others as his equals.

All I am saying, as far as lore goes, Konig, drax and few others are far more deserving than WP in his aggregating of lore discussions into youtube videos.

I fully support this idea, Woodenpotatoes really deserves it for all that he has done for the community!

I support this 100%.

Cecht:
I apologize if it sounds like I am being rude or too harsh toward Koing. I read his post very well, and he did indeed make all those points you listed. I was referring to his conceded remark. It also sounds as if WP is not considered his equal. That is ok, I am clearly not well enough plugged into the lore community to know if that is true or not. I am simply going by what was posted and the tone it gave off.

I think you might be missing the point as to why people want or like WP. It isn’t a contest as to who knows more or who is more helpful on the forums. It has nothing to do with being a moderator of X or Y place, or longevity within the community. It has more to do with number of people reached with inspiring lore that Anet has presented us with that many players miss out on.

That aggregating as you mentioned has probably reached and inspired more people to enjoy and learn about GWs lore than any collection of forum posts. Some suggestions are asking for an NPC that does just this within the game, represented by WP. If he is someone who aggregates well then doesn’t that sound fitting? I am not talking deserving here, I am talking fitting.

The mystery series (which a good deal of posters who don’t approve seem to have an issue with) is a fun sense of speculation that many seem to enjoy. He doesn’t take sole credit for all those ideas or even for starting them. He often mentions the forums and the wiki as his source for much of the information. But he is able to connect a good deal many dots for what he believes is an interesting topic of subject. Many might disagree with that and or whatever theory he is pushing in the video, that doesn’t make it less entertaining or less deserving in my mind.

Perhaps I am missing something here where his videos are hurting the lore community or the GW community. Because that is the sense and tone I am getting from a lot of these posts. I am by no means saying you have to agree or like WP content but I feel like he has done quite a bit for bringing those less interested in lore of GW to the fold. I feel that is why players are opting to support this.

I did not know dulfy got this, and im horribly against it.

I know im going to be hated on immensely for stating my opinion here, but I am hoping to open a windows of discussion before this becomes something common. Now to be clear, I do visit dulfys site and I do watch woodenpotatoes and enjoy it. But that is not the point here.

Id rather have it they give this to someone who maybe spends 10.000euro or something rediculous in gems lifetime as a very unique reward then this way.

Simply because they do make income of off their videos and websites after all… So I dont feel like they are doing a huge community service from the bottom of their heart or something and believe they are sometimes overglorified. Their E-public appearance and storytelling earns them fame amongst all guild wars players. That should be more then enough.

They arent doing this just to help you, or so, while thats definitely part of their motivation I believe, and I dont want to speculate about numbers too much, I do believe they make a moderate living off of it.
No one else who sees it like this?
(not trying to be a jerk/party-pooper) I just dont see it.

If this would be all community service, id be all for it. But given thakittens probably their job, I feel like the stardom which they justifyable deserve inside the game is already big enough without the devs adding in extra perks centered around their "celebrity"status. Id rather have they give these rewards to people who have contributed in an exceptional matter otherwise.

would love to see this, WP is amazing!

KOPPER.1458:

Cecht:
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Sorry for the snip, but figured it’d be a tad too long to quote. And no yer not rude at all, it’s all part of a discussion.

I cannot say whether or not Konig considers WP as his equal. Personally I think, in my little mind, think he considers all of the lore community as his equal. All I said is he does not consider himself as being above multiple members of the lore community. The names I said were just a few on the top of my head.

As I said in my earlier post, I totally understand WPs role in bringing the GW lore to the masses. He does a great job at it, for those who do no follow the Lore forums here (or gw2guru). But as far as calling him the #1 lore source etc, I disagree with (impressions so many in this very thread give me). He does know what is going on with the lore discussions very well and I am sure enjoys reading all the stuff on the lore forums. But he by no means is the most eminent community lore source in here. And for that reason, I am doubtful he should receive recognition as a ‘lore’ source.

EDIT: And while all of this seems to be exemplifying Konig, the lore community as a whole is amazing and deserves recognition. They have kept me entertained since GW1, Prophecies.

I’ve never posted on the forum before, but I just signed up and am posting now to show my support. I’m sure there are others who feel the same way, and that’s reason enough for this to be a good idea right there.

I am absolutely in favor of this motion.

I wholeheartedly support this. WPs videos were how i first discovered the game and one of the main things that made me so interested before launch. His online prescience definitely contributes to my enjoyment of the game.

Absolutely agree!

If anyone gets and NPC it should be Gaile from the “Account Issues” forum. You should see the stuff she has to deal with there. Gaile Gray for NPC!

Routine.6194:

Hell yes, if it wasn’t for Mr Potatoes I wouldn’t give two kittens about Guild Wars lore.

^^ spot on. I couldn’t care less about the lore at first since it was so hard to find. Thanks to WP I’m actually interested in it now.

HE should be an asura durmand priory, and appears in numerous libraries around tyria researching lore. I would even try to use his voice when you talk to him.

I support this. Make WP an NPC.

My name is Serephen and I approve of this message

While I don’t think we(the players) should get any say in this, if Dulfy gets to be in the game, WP definitely should get to.

I think it’s hilarious to see how salty two people are in here. De-lurking to say that I also love WP and am totally for him being recognized in game.

Leo G.4501:

Lol and I’m starting to think the other way: Giving Dulfy an NPC was likely a mistake.

Now it’s going to be all popularity contests and tears to see who can be next.

Note that Dulfy’s NPC was an enemy you can kill, so it’s a perfect target to vent your frustration and disagreement.

Watch as Anet will make WP an NPC enemy Inquest in the new fractal. The irony would be fitting and delicious.

/signed.

WP has helped me SO much in understanding and following all the lore that’s going on in Tyria. Always love to listen and learn from his videos. Please ArenaNet, this guy deserves some recognition!

Thumbs up from me, WP is an all round nice guy to boot.

The first Wooden Potatoes I watched was about different types of dragons and the inquest’s Crucible of Eternity trying to capture the essence of the dragons. I had run the dungeon hundred of times before to gear up my thief (I hated CoF gear) and had never realized what an amazing story there was behind it. Not only did that video win him an instant subscription but I also went back to CoE to see all that he had explained.

I know I am just one of many but WP makes me want to play GW2, and I would probably not come back every update if not for his videos talking about them.

I learned SO much about the story and lore of GW2 and GW1 from WoodenPotatoes! Would love to see something like this happen!

I had no idea who he is. But after looking him up, I disagree.

He gets a significant amount of the lore wrong, and he takes over 30 minutes to explain something that the game’s cutscene does in 45 secs.

aocypher.9172:

I had no idea who he is. But after looking him up, I disagree.

He gets a significant amount of the lore wrong, and he takes over 30 minutes to explain something that the game’s cutscene does in 45 secs.

He does tend to dramatize things a fair bit, but it makes for an entertaining story. I watched his story about the opening section of factions, and was somewhat disappointed when I went back and played through it, both in the game’s version of it, and in his, there were noticeable differences, sometimes he missed bits, or changed bits, and sometimes he just portrayed bits of the story in a much more dramatic way.

For better or worse his videos are his interpretations of the lore, but I do enjoy them a fair bit, and am glad its getting more of the community to be interested in the lore, rather than just bashing on the game for allegedly not having any lore.

For me WoodenPotatoes is a part of Guild Wars 2. I’ve watched WP videos even before the launch of the game. He made me want to play GW2. I watched his daily show every morning before going to work. I love the lore and mysteries videos he makes! He’s both a great writer and a great narrator.