Guild Wars 2

Hi there,

Given that we have nothing on the Lore hidden behind Legendary weapons, I decided a while back to write my own. So I started thinking it would be something short and simple, with some nice ideas.

It turns out my brain (I discovered I have one) had much more to say than I thought it would. In the end I’ve written a story which I’m quite pleased with but that evidently has flaws and several details that won’t match GW2 official Lore perfectly.

If you aren’t up for a real story, dont read it, you will find it too long. If you want to read it, you got 35 pages of GW2 Lore ahead of you

You can get a “simple” copy here or one with a parchment texture here

Have a good read

TLDR: Click either link for a GW2 Lore story!
EDIT: I changed the download links to dropbox so that everyone browser can retrieve the files

Won’t match GW2’s official lore is an understatement. What you wrote is so detached from lore that you should recreate the thread in the fan-works sub-forum. It’s okay writing wise, but I wonder why you even took GW’s lore as a basis if you don’t even bother to look up who for example Abaddon is and what he did. You just take names from the lore and make a story out of it.

Sorry if I seem like I mindlessly bash your work, but I’m not a fan of fan-fics that are written with little regard for the source material. Good luck next time.

I did take several liberties with the context, especially with the Dragon-Gods relationship (since they existed in Tyria before the Gods).
However, I do not see how what I wrote is in conflict with Abaddon’s story. The Tyrian gods’ origins are more than blurry and we do not know much about what happened in the cycles before the GW1 one.

Given that my story takes place long before GW1 I don’t see what the conflict with Abaddon’s lore is.
Unless I’m mistaken of course and if so I’ll gladly take an history lesson

Oh well, I will read through it again and try to note down all misconceptions.

Page 2: Tyria is more complex than 1 realm for the living and 1 for the dead. Tyria is the realm of the living, okay let’s say it like this. Then we have the Underworld, for normal dead people, formerly controlled by Dhuum (whom you don’t mention at all) and later taken over by Grenth. Some other gods also claim spirits for their realms, like Balthazar who takes the souls of great warriors and Dwayna who is said to have a paradise like realm, probably for especially kind people. It’s likely that every god has a realm for himself. Besides that, there are also realms within the Mists, which do not belong to any god, like the Hall of Heroes, which holds the souls of the greatest heroes.

Page 3: There is no indication that the Kodan are so old, that they could have seen the birth of the Elder Dragons. I wouldn’t call them an exactly young race, but nothing about screams ancient to me. At best I would say they are as old the 5 old races, but even then they would have only been around long enough for 2 Elder Dragon awakening cycles. This however is unlikely, since they would have died during the last dragon onslaught, because unlike the other races, they did not flee Tyria or were hidden by Glint. Now you could say, they were so far north, that no dragon reached them. But due Jormag sleeping there, this is also unlikely. In conclusion: The Kodan are probably younger than the last dragon awakaning.

Page 4: You only speak of 5 dragons, we know however there are atleast 6, if not more.

Page 6: The dragons predate the human gods on Tyria. This was said in interviews by Anet. The gods possibly didn’t even know of the dragons when they reached Tyria and only learned of them later, since they came after the last cycle and build their holy city ontop of a sleeping dragon.
Also Abaddon has no domain over the dead, atleast not more than over gods, besides Grenth and Dhuum. He was the god of secrets and water, and I could see his realm looking like the deap sea before he betrayed the other gods and was defeated. Later he was imprissoned there and is realm was used as a place to punish the souls of evil-doers, now known as the Realm of Torment. His betrayal was around 1 BE, several houndred years after the last cycle.

Page 7: You only speak of 6 gods, but there are more than that. As mentioned before you completly ignore Dhuum, but also Menzies, who is possibly a demi-god, but might as well be a full god. Also there is Abaddon’s predecessor and possibly Balthazar’s and Menzies’ Father.

Page 8: The dragons can’t go into the Mists on their own, nor can they weaken it’s barrier. We don’t know what can weaken it (I personally think it’s interaction between Tyria and the Mists that leads to a weakend veil, but that is only my speculation), but it’s certainly not the dragons. They just hold no connection to it.

Okay I need a pause now, it’s just too much for one sitting.

Okay next round.

Page 11: At this point I have to ask, at what time area is your story set in? You mention the creation of the dragons, which would be thousand, if not tenthousands of years before the gods arrive on Tyria and then you go to the gods trying to defeat the with the help of the races. Is there any indication for a time skip?
Also neither the Kodan, nor the Charr believe in the human gods. The Kodan have their own god, Koda and the Charr usually prefer to worship nothing but their owns strength, though some of them (the flame legion) have a history of looking for gods to worship whenever the humans kick their furry butts. But no matter what, the Charr hate the human gods. And I highly doubt they would just work for them. And even if, the Charr are most likely still very primitive during the time the story is set in and I think the Kodan have not yet held any interaction with any of the races that live further south, at best maybe the Quaggan and Largos, depending on if they live in the ice sea. I think is the key word, because I really don’t have a scale for anything in this confusing mess. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

Page 12: Not a lore issue, but telling us that you like the Kodan swords, mid-story, is immersion breaking. Do that in a footnote if you think it’s necessary.
Back to lore: The Krait don’t live in the ice sea. They live in the unending ocean which is south of Tyria.

Page 14: Now you come up with Asgeir Dragonrender giving me a certain time frame for the first time. And now, nothing makes any sense anymore. I thought your whole story was set BE the entire time, but now it’s after Guild Wars 1? After 1165 AE to be more specific. The gods have long gone into silence by that point and Abaddon was killed off and replaced by Kormir. I see hardly any point in going on from here, you just jumped the shark. The whole premise of the story has nothing to do anymore with Tyrian lore. That’s what I ment when I said, you just take names from the lore and make a story out of it. It’s like you didn’t even bother to read any of the wiki articles.

I need to take a break again. Again, sorry if I seem overly harsh, but if I write a story I’m exactly as harsh to myself, since I want to write something good and I’m never 100% satisfied with my work. And I expect people to be harsh to me, so I can improve.

I couldn’t open it so I haven’t a clue what you wrote, but the legendaries do seem to hold some degree of lore to them.

Sunrise and Twilight are wielded by the Risen High Wizard (who guards the gates to Arah), so they – and Eternity – are of Orrian origin most likely.

Frostfang’s precursor uses the same model as the Corrupted Axe that can be made (the axe being corrupted by Jormag’s magic); and Frostfang itself looks like said axe, but with the blade “broken” into the shape of a dragon’s maw. Thus Frostfang likely holds origin to Jormag – and the tokens used to make it come from Honor of the Waves, which is icebrood based dungeon.

The Flameseeker Prophecies was clearly created sometime after 1105 AE, given that it verbatim quotes Meerak the Shouter, 1072 AE, in New Krytan (established in 1105 AE). It also holds motifs of the prophecies.

Rodgort was a theme of elementalist skills in GW1, some having dragon depictions. The torch itself holds a dragon/fiery bull/flame legion charr as a head. It may be related to the Elder Dragons too (Primordus), or is just related to some ancient fiery non-ED dragon.

Kraitkin, as the name implies, seems to be related to the krait. The color of the “snakes” as well as their glow reminds me of the Blue Orb seen in the personal storyline (the fear choice of causing an innocent harm). Personally, I think it might be tied to the deep sea dragon too, just as I think the Blue Orb and the krait prophets are.

The Bifrost and the Moot might hold origins to norn, and Kudzu to the sylvari. Though beyond that it’s hard to tell.

But regardless of what you wrote, as Buddhakeks said, this isn’t lore – this is fan-fiction and should be in the Fan-generated Content forum.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

This however is unlikely, since they would have died during the last dragon onslaught, because unlike the other races, they did not flee Tyria or were hidden by Glint. Now you could say, they were so far north, that no dragon reached them. But due Jormag sleeping there, this is also unlikely. In conclusion: The Kodan are probably younger than the last dragon awakaning.

I disagree. The kodan’s history of the “great blizzard” is perfectly remeniscent of Jormag. And they were in hiding – except for one group of kodan who lost their Voice.

The knowledge of 5 surviving sentient races thanks to Glint (sans Mursaat thanks to fleeing the world) comes directly from the jotun. This means there might have been survivors which the jotun did not know about. We know of one such race – the karka – as well as Zomorros existed during the last ED rise (or well, it’s so highly implied we have nothing else the implications can refer to). And it’s implied that the kodan, largos, and tengu (in order of most to least likely) are among them – the kodan have the great snowstorm, the tengu know something about the Elder Dragons’ previous rise (though how and what remains unknown), and the largos are said to be an ancient race by Zomorros (though how ancient is unknown). The krait may be as well (given how their “prophets” seem increasingly like the DSD and its champions).

BuddhaKeks.4857:

The gods possibly didn’t even know of the dragons when they reached Tyria and only learned of them later, since they came after the last cycle and build their holy city ontop of a sleeping dragon.

This is debatable. While they came after the mursaat/seer war, this was implied to occur prior to the ED going to sleep again. Nothing has yet to say outright that the forgotten were not brought to the world by the Six Gods, so that may still hold to be true. We only know that the Six Gods did not know that Zhaitan was underneath Arah and the source of energy that they used to strengthen the Bloodstone.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Page 8: The dragons can’t go into the Mists, nor can they weaken it’s barrier. We don’t know what can weaken it (I personally think it’s interaction between Tyria and the Mists that leads to a weakend veil, but that is only my speculation), but it’s certainly not the dragons. They just hold no connection to it.

Well, nothing says the dragons can’t go into the Mists. We just don’t see it happen. They certainly don’t have the means to go without anothers’ power, but the same can be said about humans. As to weakening the barrier – we do know, and that’s portals being created time and time again (Godslost Swamp). As well as places where a lot of deaths occur (Speaker of the Dead). I presume the latter is how Odran made portals to the Mists – it was said he made countless sacrifices, after all.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

BuddhaKeks.4857:

This however is unlikely, since they would have died during the last dragon onslaught, because unlike the other races, they did not flee Tyria or were hidden by Glint. Now you could say, they were so far north, that no dragon reached them. But due Jormag sleeping there, this is also unlikely. In conclusion: The Kodan are probably younger than the last dragon awakaning.

I disagree. The kodan’s history of the “great blizzard” is perfectly remeniscent of Jormag. And they were in hiding – except for one group of kodan who lost their Voice.

True, but the story says that the Kodan were around when the ED were born, which is hiiiighly unlikely. I was refering to this and putting it in relation. As I said, it might be possible that they are as old as the second awakaning, but I don’t think they were around before that.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

BuddhaKeks.4857:

The gods possibly didn’t even know of the dragons when they reached Tyria and only learned of them later, since they came after the last cycle and build their holy city ontop of a sleeping dragon.

This is debatable. While they came after the mursaat/seer war, this was implied to occur prior to the ED going to sleep again. Nothing has yet to say outright that the forgotten were not brought to the world by the Six Gods, so that may still hold to be true. We only know that the Six Gods did not know that Zhaitan was underneath Arah and the source of energy that they used to strengthen the Bloodstone.

Maybe, but the story states that the gods were around when the EDs came to life (I mean for the first time ever), which is not the case. If or of not they knew of them is debatable, but not the point I was talking about.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Page 8: The dragons can’t go into the Mists, nor can they weaken it’s barrier. We don’t know what can weaken it (I personally think it’s interaction between Tyria and the Mists that leads to a weakend veil, but that is only my speculation), but it’s certainly not the dragons. They just hold no connection to it.

Well, nothing says the dragons can’t go into the Mists. We just don’t see it happen. They certainly don’t have the means to go without anothers’ power, but the same can be said about humans. As to weakening the barrier – we do know, and that’s portals being created time and time again (Godslost Swamp). As well as places where a lot of deaths occur (Speaker of the Dead). I presume the latter is how Odran made portals to the Mists – it was said he made countless sacrifices, after all.

If the dragons were able to easily pass into the Mists, without having to kidnap people who are able, then they would probably have gone their to search for food instead of going back into hibernation. As far as I see it, the dragons hold no connection to the Mists, atleast not in a way the gods or spirits of the wild do. I should have said: “can’t go into the Mists on their own” though.
The rest was speculation on my part, as I said before. And death (souls going into the Mists) is interaction between the Mists and Tyria, imo.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

True, but the story says that the Kodan were around when the ED were born, which is hiiiighly unlikely. I was refering to this and putting it in relation. As I said, it might be possible that they are as old as the second awakaning, but I don’t think they were around before that.

I wasn’t arguing that, I was arguing your claim that they would have died if they were around during the previous ED rise.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Maybe, but the story states that the gods were around when the EDs came to life (I mean for the first time ever), which is not the case. If or of not they knew of them is debatable, but not the point I was talking about.

Again, not what I was arguing. I was merely arguing your “this is the case” – like with the kodan’s age – rather than your “this is not the case” statement that you always open with.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

If the dragons were able to easily pass into the Mists, without having to kidnap people who are able, then they would probably have gone their to search for food instead of going back into hibernation. As far as I see it, the dragons hold no connection to the Mists, atleast not in a way the gods or spirits of the wild do. I should have said: “can’t go into the Mists on their own” though.
The rest was speculation on my part, as I said before. And death (souls going into the Mists) is interaction between the Mists and Tyria, imo.

I specifically said that they can’t without help. Even havrouns need the help of the Spirits of the Wild, so in this regard, the havrouns – and any norn, charr, or human – are no different than the Elder Dragons.

And as for what weakens the barrier, I was merely stating “you’re correct, but it’s a specific kind of interaction.”

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I wasn’t arguing that, I was arguing your claim that they would have died if they were around during the previous ED rise.

Yeah, sorry about that. You are probably right about the Kodan, they could have survived. Makes you think though, those EDs aren’t all that efficient, when it comes to eating everything. But maybe they make sure to leave enough around for the next meal.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Again, not what I was arguing. I was merely arguing your “this is the case” – like with the kodan’s age – rather than your “this is not the case” statement that you always open with.

Well so we agree that it is debatable.^^

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I specifically said that they can’t without help. Even havrouns need the help of the Spirits of the Wild, so in this regard, the havrouns – and any norn, charr, or human – are no different than the Elder Dragons.

And as for what weakens the barrier, I was merely stating “you’re correct, but it’s a specific kind of interaction.”

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I just wanted to make sure you know, that I know this, I just worded it poorly.
The poor choice of words is the result of me being terribly tired and having to translate my thoughts into a different language, so sorry about that.

I think it’s less that they’re efficient, and more that the seers screwed em over enough that they starved into hibernation. Seeing how the seers took all magic from the world, the only food left for the ED would be the bloodstone, and if they can’t find the bloodstone…

Thank you for the reminder about the swords note i accidentally left in the final text, and for the….hmm…multiple other notes ^^

As for

Is there any indication for a time skip?

The part about Dragons leaving peacefully for hundreds of years was meant to be one.

and

Now you come up with Asgeir Dragonrender giving me a certain time frame for the first time.

It seems you missed the word “ancestor”. I meant to give some perspective as to who was going to assume the role of the Gods’ champion, who would be of the same lineage than another great Norn hero that would earn his reputation much later.

Well in the end what this shows is that I guess I’m better at slaying monsters than I am at writing about them and that I’d better follow this choice of carrer rather than the writer one.

Edit: Oh and I guess you shouldn’t read the rest since it won’t be closer to the lore, it’s only a story.

Ely.3468:

Is there any indication for a time skip?

The part about Dragons leaving peacefully for hundreds of years was meant to be one.

and

Now you come up with Asgeir Dragonrender giving me a certain time frame for the first time.

It seems you missed the word “ancestor”. I meant to give some perspective as to who was going to assume the role of the Gods’ champion, who would be of the same lineage than another great Norn hero that would earn his reputation much later.

Oh okay, sorry then, I did seem to miss those words, but in my defense, it was late in the night and I had a long day.

Ely.3468:

Well in the end what this shows is that I guess I’m better at slaying monsters than I am at writing about them and that I’d better follow this choice of carrer rather than the writer one.

Edit: Oh and I guess you shouldn’t read the rest since it won’t be closer to the lore, it’s only a story.

Don’t say that. The writing itself is okay, for a beginner, meaning I’ve read some awful stuff that was praised by people, in comparrison to them you like an award winnig novelist. That said, you don’t have to be a great writer in terms of stylistic devices and figures of speech, the most important part is, having imagination. Look at Tolkien, that guy was an awful writer, but he had imagination, this is what made his books so wonderful. You sure have that too, but you limit yourself by choosing an existing IP. I think for starters it’s actually better to try to think of something on your own. Then you can create characters and write what ever youn want, without having to do research first or being shackeled down by existing story threads.
You for example started with Tyria, but it has little to do with anymore. Just scratch the names and make something new out of. Just don’t give up on this hobby, instead try to improve. I’m sure you can make a good story out of it.