Guild Wars 2

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Easy-solution-to-fix-GvG-issue/first#post2790293

Yeah way to give the middle finger to all the hardcore guilds out there. It’s obvious you could give 2 kittens about us. Instead you treat as like a cancerous tumor that you need to remove at all costs.

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

We tried asking this on chat, but no answer.

I’m sure they missed the question because you were all too busy spamming “GvG”.
Good job screwing yourselves over.

Mif.3471:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

We tried asking this on chat, but no answer.

I’m sure they missed the question because you were all too busy spamming “GvG”.
Good job screwing yourselves over.

Yeah, all GvGers are the same and all that

GvG needs it’s own facilities and it’s own maps. Spvp needs more stat variety and allocation couches and GvG needs to be moved to the hotm.

Guys, don’t give up.

When there is a will there is a way. I will search for a way after orbs come, I hope you all do as well. Come together as a community and share ideas when it hits. It will halt gvg for a little bit, but there will always be loopholes.

The most important thing is that we stay resilient for our beloved gametype.

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

Odinzu.9645:

Guys, don’t give up.

When there is a will there is a way. I will search for a way after orbs come, I hope you all do as well. Come together as a community and share ideas when it hits. It will halt gvg for a little bit, but there will always be loopholes.

The most important thing is that we stay resilient for our beloved gametype.

The only way will be to actually do the GvG league, move to less populated servers and have people responsible for maintaining the points contested.

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

I can only speak for myself but I do wvw.
I dont take keeps and towers but I kill enemies who try to get to a tower to defend or cut off reinforcements. that is my favorite part. now its all about who has the better coverage to keep the bloodlust stacks in their favor.

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

We have WvW raids every day for 4~ hours…so do most GvG guilds.

Silver.9084:

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

We have WvW raids every day for 4~ hours…so do most GvG guilds.

Really? Odd i don’t see most of our GvG guilds doing daily 4 hour raids, maybe they didn’t get the memo.

Asudementio.8526:

Silver.9084:

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

We have WvW raids every day for 4~ hours…so do most GvG guilds.

Really? Odd i don’t see most of our GvG guilds doing daily 4 hour raids, maybe they didn’t get the memo.

Odd, maybe its because we do it tagless and dont invite poor attitudes. Get off this thread with your negative attitude, please.

Asudementio.8526:

Silver.9084:

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

We have WvW raids every day for 4~ hours…so do most GvG guilds.

Really? Odd i don’t see most of our GvG guilds doing daily 4 hour raids, maybe they didn’t get the memo.

Every GvG guild I have come across regularly raids in WvW. My guild GF, NS, kitten , SIC, RET, Agg, vH, Omen, EP, Rekz, qT, AoN, and the list goes on and on and on. Just because your personal experience was poor doesn’t mean thats the way it is across the board.

Odinzu.9645:

Asudementio.8526:

Silver.9084:

Asudementio.8526:

Brando.1374:

Boycott wvw?

/15 char

How is that different from what hardcore GvG enthusiasts do already?

We have WvW raids every day for 4~ hours…so do most GvG guilds.

Really? Odd i don’t see most of our GvG guilds doing daily 4 hour raids, maybe they didn’t get the memo.

Odd, maybe its because we do it tagless and dont invite poor attitudes. Get off this thread with your negative attitude, please.

I’m so sorry the hardcore GvG players just get me riled up with their attitudes. I do support your preferred play, but i find it disheartening that so many in the GvG crowd seem to denounce mine.

I will say it again. WvW and GvG need a seperation- for a lot of reasons. GvG could find a good home as a form of spvp given that more build diversity through stat allocation is allowed.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events/GvG-wvw-league-whos-up-for-it/first#content

In a GvG league it should be quite easy to organise orb buff distribution so that each server has one buff , with a few small roaming packs to make sure pugs don’t take them during GvG hours.

It really does need to be supported in it’s own game type.

One day maybe ANet will realize that is the solution to both play style’s base of players.

I’m sure they already realize it but it won’t happen any time soon even if they’re already working on it.

yea Ogre i made that in paint just to cover my chat.. we’re actively working on a logo but nothing final yet… also, i’ll turn screen shake off i guess, i like it because it adds to the combat experience but for your ill make an exception :P

Genev.2450:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events/GvG-wvw-league-whos-up-for-it/first#content

In a GvG league it should be quite easy to organise orb buff distribution so that each server has one buff , with a few small roaming packs to make sure pugs don’t take them during GvG hours.

This will be hard considering there are servers like FSP who only play to win and not fights, same for the german servers if youre on silver.
Most guilds will want to do normal roaming aswell, making all of it complicated unless you can get about 50 guilds to join in this (which is even harder)

Esuni.2498:

Genev.2450:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events/GvG-wvw-league-whos-up-for-it/first#content

In a GvG league it should be quite easy to organise orb buff distribution so that each server has one buff , with a few small roaming packs to make sure pugs don’t take them during GvG hours.

This will be hard considering there are servers like FSP who only play to win and not fights, same for the german servers if youre on silver.
Most guilds will want to do normal roaming aswell, making all of it complicated unless you can get about 50 guilds to join in this (which is even harder)

That’s why you would need roamers from each server (likely the gvg guilds) to make sure that the orb buff stays where it “belongs”. Needs some cooperation and work, but it could provide some real fun fights for those roamers as well.

the idea of a gvg specific matchup sounds great, but I think it’s to way to complicated and uncontrollable to actually make it work. I don’t want to spread negativity and would love beeing able to fight the best guild in the game everyday, but I lost all hope.
Every patch, every update and every release is quite frankly a hit in the face for players who enjoy competetive gaming. Not only in WvW, but in sPvP too.
Why should I try hard to set something up what isn’t wanted and actively sabotaged by the devs? They made quite clear that they don’t want a competetive scene in this game. Look back and think about what they did the last year. There were so many great suggestions and ideas by great players and people, to create something competetive, to create actual fun but it’s just ignored. And if you’re ignored all the time, well you start to ignore back…

I hear all this gvg hardcore stuff. I know of no such guild that does gvg and NO wvw. Every guild that does gvgs regularly raids in wvw and has done for the last year. Whether it be 4hrs a day to 4hrs several days a week. These are the WvW guilds. Simply seeking to fight other guilds on an even playing field and testing themselves.

TUP will continue to gvg (scrim if opponent cares so much) when the orbs come in. Some you win some you lose, sometimes you’ll have the buff sometimes you wont. We are of the attitude that we fight with who we have online. No excuses, just play, enjoy and challenge yourself. The fact we fought GD with no necros online until the end, we simply will continue to enjoy ourselves and fight. I know a lot of guilds will cease doing gvgs as they afraid of rating changes, imbalances with orbs. My opinion is – its still even numbers and some days you’ll have the buff others you won’t – who cares.

On another note. YES! Got VII this week – a great challenge ahead.

VII vs TUP Thursday! woop woop

Maybe last GvG showdown ep? hoping not :/

Great episode as always, Ogre!

About the Orbageddon topic which is going on here.
How about a thread with a simple request:
“Give us the opportunity to turn off the buff!”. no more no less.

A number of small steps could also in the end lead to success and maybe we first have to do this tiny step to get our awesome GvG community supported.

Don’t do the mistake and mention GvGs with any word.

RIP GvG.

My guild Basic [BS] only took part in 3 rated GvG matches, but I’ve got to say they were some of the best fights I’ve had.

See you all in ESO/Unchained.

suprNovae.5410:

How about a thread with a simple request:
“Give us the opportunity to turn off the buff!”. no more no less.

…

Don’t do the mistake and mention GvGs with any word.

was done, but thread was merged into this one. however GvG was in the message, i don’t think it would make a difference.

Darius Glazkov.9750:

suprNovae.5410:

How about a thread with a simple request:
“Give us the opportunity to turn off the buff!”. no more no less.

…

Don’t do the mistake and mention GvGs with any word.

was done, but thread was merged into this one. however GvG was in the message, i don’t think it would make a difference.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/An-option-to-disable-orb-buff-on-myself/first#post2792221

Maybe just respond with a /signed or something, I think we aren’t allowed to give opinions anymore or the thread gets deleted…

Even ignoring GvGs, open field combat in general is bs if your enemy has an unfair stat bonus.

There are 30,000 other possible buffs the “bloodlust” could’ve given. Why stats?

^ that’s why. According to Devon, one of the most exciting things he’s done is sit on an AC in WvW.

Toggle click on / off buffs would be a (simple?) solution.

Dont forget to +1 that post, it gives more attention to the devs than just /signed.

Also, dont give up, we’ll find a way. Soon we’ll see how many guilds are interested in a gvg matchup which should help defeating the orb.

Well this week has potentially great NA match ups.

Make it happen fellas

Orbs don’t make sense. The stronger server gets even stronger, ruins open field fights, and we can no longer GvG. Why anet? Should just make the rewards something like increased yak supply, faster upgrades, stronger siege. So then at the very least we can gvg.

Don’t misunderstand everything. Orbs buff are really good to improve WvW.

If buffs were kitteng useless, no one would care and fight in the center of the map to capture points. Now you’ll have to spread zergs between keeps/towers for PPT and capture points for buff.
Since there is no timer or anything, if a zerg shows up (and might lose a keep or something else), you can just let them cap and cap 30sec after they’re gone.

Orbs are really good for WvW, period.

Things is, Anet could have put a way to disable the buff for people that wants to GvG, but they don’t care about GvG and aren’t supporting it. The only thing they want is bringing GvG players to sPvP to get money thru custom arenas. If they make a single improvement that allows GvG on WvW maps, no one would ever rent a custom servers in sPvP for this (since sPvP variety in stats obviously sucks). They have no clue about what the community wants and aren’t playing the same game, they’re just in their own dream.

Money money money.

Its not just GvGs orbs will kills its the endless 1v1 2v2 etc done constantly by the windmill all week and all night on thursdays in low tier NA.

The skill level of these players are outstanding made me rethink builds gear choices rotations combos and forced better play.

When I do PvP its such a joke no gear choices simplistic builds always the same cookie cutter foes because there just are no viable options.

/rant

Pryda.8257:

Don’t misunderstand everything. Orbs buff are really good to improve WvW.

If buffs were kitteng useless, no one would care and fight in the center of the map to capture points. Now you’ll have to spread zergs between keeps/towers for PPT and capture points for buff.
Since there is no timer or anything, if a zerg shows up (and might lose a keep or something else), you can just let them cap and cap 30sec after they’re gone.

Orbs are really good for WvW, period.

Actually, I disagree. The “orb” mechanic back in the days was quite exiting, because it broke up the standard “cap a point” mechanic. It was more like capture the flag and provided a different angle to the game. Now they just add more points you need to capture. But look at sPvP, or look at all the other competetive games out there. Capturing and holding points is a boring mechanic, because it promotes reactionary gameplay. You’re being rewarded for actively “not fighting” the enemy, i.e outlast him, or just keep him off the point or just heal against his damage, or the ultimate way: cap unattended points, that’s most effective.
Other games which have similar mechanics, like plant the bomb in Counterstrike (kind of “cap a point”) provide different methods to ensure activity and action, like asymmetrical gameplay (Terrorist vs Counter-Terrorist) or switching the capture points around the map (Call of Duty)

Right when the community shifted to a more action oriented gameplay, ArenaNet promotes a reactionary and defensive playstyle, combined with bad game design choices in form of a massive stat increase. I agree that their intention is to split up zergs and promote small group play, but there are more effective ways to make a 80man zerg less effective (bigger maps for example) than adding more capture points.

I’ve been sharing this around lately quite abit, but let me write in here too. That the obvious best solution from practical, roleplaying and gvg purposes is simply:

Orb buff is claimed from the orb by channeling into it like Skill point. (it’s captured and escorted to a keep like previously)
If you don’t want it, you don’t take it. Also makes the orb cooler – artifact from which people can draw power from. Why have it as a boring sudden zone wide buff. It should prolly have charges too so after 500 taken buffs it resets.

@Sabull
Not sure if you watched the stream ytd, but the “orb buff” is not really an orb, guess it’s just the term used because it’s somewhat close to what we had with the orb.
You get the buff by holding down 3 out of 5 capture areas and holding them for 3 minutes, and then the entire server gets them. There’s no physical orb to interact with anymore, due to all the hacking and kitten.

Also, maybe something to counter the orb buff.

If one of the servers has the buff, let the opposing team have stacks? It would suck having to get 25 after every round, but oh well…

A word of advice. If you really do care about getting GvG arenas and support you shouldn’t be like “well i think this is a good idea but whatever cause i am already leaving for X next big flop in the MMO market, kthxbai”

If you think threatening by saying i need support or i’ll leave is a good idea fine, but don’t let your words come across as jaded and indifferent to everything Anet does.

THIS IS JUST ADVICE, NOT A CRITIQUE OF ANYONE

yiishing.9057:

Pryda.8257:

Don’t misunderstand everything. Orbs buff are really good to improve WvW.

If buffs were kitteng useless, no one would care and fight in the center of the map to capture points. Now you’ll have to spread zergs between keeps/towers for PPT and capture points for buff.
Since there is no timer or anything, if a zerg shows up (and might lose a keep or something else), you can just let them cap and cap 30sec after they’re gone.

Orbs are really good for WvW, period.

Actually, I disagree. The “orb” mechanic back in the days was quite exiting, because it broke up the standard “cap a point” mechanic. It was more like capture the flag and provided a different angle to the game. Now they just add more points you need to capture. But look at sPvP, or look at all the other competetive games out there. Capturing and holding points is a boring mechanic, because it promotes reactionary gameplay. You’re being rewarded for actively “not fighting” the enemy, i.e outlast him, or just keep him off the point or just heal against his damage, or the ultimate way: cap unattended points, that’s most effective.
Other games which have similar mechanics, like plant the bomb in Counterstrike (kind of “cap a point”) provide different methods to ensure activity and action, like asymmetrical gameplay (Terrorist vs Counter-Terrorist) or switching the capture points around the map (Call of Duty)

Right when the community shifted to a more action oriented gameplay, ArenaNet promotes a reactionary and defensive playstyle, combined with bad game design choices in form of a massive stat increase. I agree that their intention is to split up zergs and promote small group play, but there are more effective ways to make a 80man zerg less effective (bigger maps for example) than adding more capture points.

I agree, but it was temporary fights for the orb that was not lasting more than 15minutes. Then it was stuck in a keep for ages, back to Siege Wars. The capture the flag like was good, but it was just a small part of the entire process.

Well… it’s a shame, hope to meet you guys in the next big PvP game! Will be fun to see everybody starting from the same level again

We can always play asuraball! Maybe such mode would get ANET attention

I didn’t really listen that carefully but orbs gonna affect Eternal too?
if not there is a cool spot in NW side of the map However getting there in prime time sounds like mission impossible.

Asudementio.8526:

A word of advice. If you really do care about getting GvG arenas and support you shouldn’t be like “well i think this is a good idea but whatever cause i am already leaving for X next big flop in the MMO market, kthxbai”

If you think threatening by saying i need support or i’ll leave is a good idea fine, but don’t let your words come across as jaded and indifferent to everything Anet does.

THIS IS JUST ADVICE, NOT A CRITIQUE OF ANYONE

please just stay off this thread

You guys now that your vitality is based on your servers score? So gvg is never on par? Let the rage begin! ^^

My idea to deal with the buff: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Suggestion-Trap-that-removes-Bloodlust/first#post2795692

Basically, if there was a trap that removed the buff, we could just apply that trap to each other before GvGs, and it could be useful in PPT fighting, too.

Said by devon when people suggested to make the buff a toggle and the entire thread got spammed with approval:

“No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.”

This guy is beyond reasoning

cubed.2853:

You guys now that your vitality is based on your servers score? So gvg is never on par? Let the rage begin! ^^

A few hundred hps pales in comparison to 150 power/precision/tough/vitality/etc.

Way to fail making a point mate

Esuni.2498:

Said by devon when people suggested to make the buff a toggle and the entire thread got spammed with approval:

“No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.”

This guy is beyond reasoning

I agree. He could have said that the functionality isn’t in the game at the moment and that would be one thing. His excuse for why you would not be able to remove the buff was terrible.

its on like donkey kong, AoN also confirmed..

http://gw2gvg.com/upcoming.php

Esuni.2498:

This guy is beyond reasoning

The problem is more that you’re all not seeing things from his perspective, which is that you’re the ones being unreasonable.

Do you really think you’re going to convince the WvW team to effectively remove the largest design element of Borderlands Bloodlust, a update they’re proud of and have worked on for 6 months, so they can enable people who ridicule them to play a gamemode that isn’t even WvW?

If you were smart enough to put your collective effort into trying to convince them to do something reasonable and attainable (for example, making very small map changes to the EB jump puzzle to give a large enough area to host GvG, have the Borderlands Bloodlust buff not apply in the JP, and allow people to enter the JP via the WvW UI), then you’d actually have a chance at getting results.