Guild Wars 2

Made this post in the https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Why-is-there-hostility-towards-GvG/first#post2798570 post and think it fits in here to…

Why did Anet name the game to Guildwars? Now when we are doing guild v guild they doing everything to stop it. The new bloodlust buff is like a nuclear blast destroing the GvG fights (even for the whole WvW where the stongest server gets even stronger). They even ignored the questions on thier last dev stream.

Anet if you hate guildfights so much why did you name the game Guildwars?
Anet why cant you just back down and give the players what they want? Maby an arena outside the WvW that doesent get effected buy the Bloodlust buff. Make a portal to a special place in one border (like the jumping puzzles) with spactator seats around it and name it to the Colosseum or something.

Or just change the buff so it just give Karma, WXP, Magicfind, +gold etc but still an arena would be soo awsome and you guys could make it magnificent with your designerskills….

FIRE will be fighting VII on monday!

Looking forward to the fight against this though guys!

ogro can you pm wrex.6798
we need your opinion about some creepy stuff

assasin of warr.9517:

ogro can you pm wrex.6798
we need your opinion about some creepy stuff

PM Maulbrak (InSoMniaC.6315), the video will hopefully be up shortly from an outside spectators perspective and then we will have a video up from one of the people involved in the fights as well when his internet permits, which should be in about 8 or so hours.

It’s hilarious that IRON is trying to claim that they did nothing wrong.

GvG match Drama ftmfw!!!

On the topic of the bloodlust buffs

1 buff could be nullified using the guild buffs on the south camp
This means you can do 1 gvg more fair or fair every 10 mins if it gets constantly capped for the side with no buff

Where is the EP v TW match???

Why is this not scheduled already….we all have a duty to make this week count!

i think it is happening, just not on the site yet

Until it’s up it ain’t official IMHO…..well unless you fighting vH that is

;P

Jinks.2057:

Until it’s up it ain’t official IMHO…..well unless you fighting vH that is

;P

You mean attempting to fight vH right?

Interesting debate going on in the TC/SoS/SoR thread about terrain use/spectator use in GvGs:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/9-6-SoR-TC-SoS-1/page/4

EP vs TW thursday 20v20.

Possible 15v15 Monday if TW allows, EP prefers not to do both thursday. I will lose my voice and my team gets super stressed over big matches like this.
Very passionate team we have.. but if we can’t split days we’re going to try to do both thursday.

I hope this is not the end, i just took part in 2 scrims with my old guild

The solution is so easy:

The Team of GW2 has to love this game as much as the Team of GW1 loved GW1, then they would accept and understand this community!

best regards

We all know the truth is, ANET don’t realise what they have. Siege wars, flame mastery! treb mastery! golem? mastery! Oh ye exciting. Let’s bash empty keeps lads!

Oh hang on, you have this awesome innovative combat system in place, fluid combat, fast paced. That was a mistake forget about the awesome combat lads, grab your blueprints and lets go.

I still have yet to see a statement on what they see WvW as being.

TUP vs VII Thursday 20v20.

Have tried asking the guilds on Vizunah they are either too small (thanks RUN) or ignore pms when asking them about GvG. Hopeful they accept.

The new Gw2 GvG website is live!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events/The-new-Gw2-GvG-website-is-live

:)

MartyPartys.9187:

The new Gw2 GvG website is live!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events/The-new-Gw2-GvG-website-is-live

:)

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omg awesome :o -

Oh and once logged in, don’t forget to vote for the GvG league, message should pop up!

Someone on the other thread linked this:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dragon%27s_Revelry_Starcake

You guys think this could be a solution? We could propose a new “standard” rule for GvG: No food buffs for both sides, unless 1 of them has the buff, then enemy team uses that thing to balance it out. (oils/stones/crystals are still valid though)
There would be no more -40% condi food, but I guess that would just be a little shift of the meta, maybe seeing more condi specs in GvGs and more attention to condi-removal overall, better than having a total stat imbalance.

P.S: Only problem is that kitten is 25s each right now

Luiz, this is a really good idea in my opinion,
maybe it could save our kitten.

About the price: The potion of ascalonian mages is expensive too, but many are using it!

Food is an important part of people their builds and shouldnt be removed, it puts more into the game.
And like I said before, having your guild or a friendly claim the windmill with guild buffs will give you pretty much a blooblust buff making it way easier to balance out.

That said, you should fight anyway and not limit the customisation options

MartyPartys.9187:

Oh and once logged in, don’t forget to vote for the GvG league, message should pop up!

Did this show up for anyone? I didn’t get it

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

MartyPartys.9187:

Oh and once logged in, don’t forget to vote for the GvG league, message should pop up!

Did this show up for anyone? I didn’t get it

It only shows up if your guild hasn’t voted yet. In your case, one of the contacts has already voted.

Jayne.9251:

Interesting debate going on in the TC/SoS/SoR thread about terrain use/spectator use in GvGs:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/9-6-SoR-TC-SoS-1/page/4

This thread is so silly. I guess that is why rules have to exist after all!

[RQ] vs [DA] 9pm eastern time (in 2 hours).

If you are interested: http://www.twitch.tv/decisivegg

Congrats to [EP] for beating [TW] 7-1 in 15v15 tonight!!!

Video soon to come!!

OMG EP coup? they took it just like that? are you kidding me?

These guys are out of control ºoº

Wow, grats EP

Borderland Bloodlust is evil! R.I.P (somewhat) balanced WvW.
I guess we have to see when it comes out but as it stands right now my guess is that this is the end of organised GvG’s in WvW. The foodbuff half-solution sounds cool but in reality it will never balance out the difference as they’ve shown on the livestream, the buff can be flipped quite frequently, causing unexpected twists and turns in fights even mid-fight.

Only real solution(s) I can think of:
Ask server communities! If all 3 servers agree on a day that’s an official unofficial GvG day maybe it would be possible that the orbs remained untouched that day. This is close to impossible to achieve on higher tier servers though.
Protest! There are hundreds of GvG guilds playing WvW on a daily basis. If the whole GvG community decided to stop playing WvW for a week it would cause a great impact on this game-mode overall. Devs usually monitor changes in popularity in certain areas after a major change, at least in other games so maybe they’d realise what they’ve done wrong(?)

Or ignore and wait for the next game to come out. I for one do not enjoy roaming with 50 – 150 extra stats that I can’t remove and make my fights unfair. Be it solo roaming or guild fights.

Ogre.1750:

OMG EP coup? they took it just like that? are you kidding me?

These guys are out of control ºoº

The week isn’t done yet. All I’m going to say.

Is there any footage of the match between TW and EP?
Would like to see the pov of a TW melee.

Scnd vs ONS coming up very shortly
http://twitch.tv/chemsorly
http://twitch.tv/enoszara

Massive respect to ONS, some of the biggest balls EU!

[TW] vs [EP] footage

EDIT: Link Changed. Click it now.

(Sorry, only melee POV for round 2 and it’s Camera Shake QQ)

Colin talks about WvW and GvG just past the ten minute mark:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/04/guild-wars-2-interview-picks-colin-johansons-brain/

So basically they have nothing in the works for GvG – and oh my guild halls and other guild activities are “a long way down the road”. Le Sigh.

The part where he says WvW is about you and your server. Not you with your guild fighting others – out of touch with competitive pvp.

Also he goes on about basically their spvp model when GvG was mentioned. kitten nubcake.

Equinox.4195:

I actually did Sorrow’s Embrace with a couple devs last night after the TW match, and got an opportunity to talk with them briefly about GvG.
I can confirm that the existing GvG team was disbanded.

Equinox.4195:

I actually did Sorrow’s Embrace with a couple devs last night after the TW match, and got an opportunity to talk with them briefly about GvG.
I can confirm that the existing GvG team was disbanded.

Not too surprised by this, unfortunately…

Where is that screen there is confirmation that those are Anet devs?

Unless you know them name by name, but they never had trips on EU so have no idea.

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

AndrewSX.3794:

Where is that screen there is confirmation that those are Anet devs?

Unless you know them name by name, but they never had trips on EU so have no idea.

I have an entire video of us doing the dungeon with them while they’re wearing their Anet logos. Will probably upload it for “lulz” when I stop being lazy.

Until then, you’ll just have to trust me that they were devs.

Ogre.1750:

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

kitten Ogro sad to hear that mate.. A terrible loss for the WvW and GvG community.. Not that I blame you, I understand you perfectly mate. Gonna drop you a PM shortly, make sure to check it!
Nonetheless, thanks for stepping up for the GvG community. Loved the GvG Showdown and your dedication towards it. You’re going to be missed bro !

Such a big loss for the WvW and GvG community
Hope you will enjoy your new game Ogro!

Ogre.1750:

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

:-/ Really sad to hear this. Let us know what games you are gonna be messing around with so we can fanboy up and follow you. xD

Ogre.1750:

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

What can I say except curse and swear ANET for F’ing this whole scene up big time. So organic .. and so much passion and initiative from folks like you bringing it to spectators like myself and the actual people training and duking it out day in and day out.

kitten bloody shame.

Thank you Ogre for all you’ve done, again for spectators and competitors alike.

Ogre.1750:

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

Least wait till the patch hits to make sure 100%.

Then leave

Ogre.1750:

Expect next GvG Showdown to be the last in a long time, if ever. I’m moving on to other games. Will deliver a couple more bullets in one form or the other GW2wise, but I think im pretty much done short term.

No sad goodbyes, cuz its not like im dying. No fee makes for an easy return if devs suddenly do things right… but i really need a new game (im figuring gtav).

Also Sacrx trilogy should be out in the next few days.. he had some codec issues but first video should be hitting his channel very very soon. Be sure to not miss those.

Ideally we should all being doing something similar, orbageddon is basically a bigkittento the GvG community. If all the organized GvG guilds took a week-2 weeks, WvW population would drop drastically due to the fact we are the sole reason for most of the organization and turnouts every night. A massive fluctuation in pop. like that would force Anet to acknowledge and possibly start work for the GvG community.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Hey everybody,

In the best interests of all involved, we have decided to move the GvG organizational thread over to the In-game events subforum instead of its usual home in the WvW discussion forum. The impetus for this change is primarily due to the ongoing, negative conflict between the WvW and GvG communities. We feel the hostility between these two groups detracts from both the GvG thread and WvW topics and requires a disproportionate amount of moderator attention.

The In-game Events subforum will be a good fit for the GvG organization thread, as it is an ongoing, player-organized in-game activity and therefore fits well into the intended purpose of that forum. For other related discussion of GvG that does not fall under the general organization thread, please use the Guild Wars 2 Discussion subforum.

Aside from moving the post, I don’t understand how you think it is in your interest to alienate a large part of your community through these actions and how you have given no response of how this community will be affected by the new orb buff. If anything from a business standpoint this aims to lose you money, since alot of people only play this game for this particular aspect of competition. Yes the game is free to play, but lots of people still buy gems. From a design perspective, I can understand how you see World vs World as a game type in its purity. However, when wow (vanilla) first launched, alot of the race and competition for world firsts (involving the purity of raid content) came about from a community wanting to be able to say they had done it first (competition). This ended up becoming a massive point of the game, and actually ended up further building the community of the game, whilst also giving it free advertisement. I am well aware that one is PVE and the other PVP. The point about how community influencing the development of a game is paramount though. World vs World in its entirety can never be truly justified as a fair battle (and that does not matter because that isn’t the aim in my opinion) – BUT it does matter when it comes to competition, because there has to be fair ground and balance in place to truly promote fair competition and the concept of a true winner. Currently, this can’t happen in the pure World vs World game type due to a number of reasons. The main one being coverage wars.

It should be obvious from the amount of Guilds that are signed to the community website that this is a massive community of players within your player base and YOUR game. From a business stand point, I would be embracing this, not trying to reduce or mitigate the chances of it growing any further. From a design stand-point it wouldn’t take much to put something in place to help build this community (in turn, further building your game). People enjoy watching guilds fight each other, especially with good commentary if they are watching via stream. This is largely due to it being non-stop action for the period of the fight. Can’t even remember the last time someone I know watched Spvp – its formula for fights makes watching it slow paced and boring (IMO). Take League of Legends as another example – It is so successful now as an Esport because the top players developed a meta for laning and fighting. Different teams erupted within different regions. This was embraced by Riot. Its now the most watched and successful Esport in the world (last time I checked). Listen to the cheers that come from the crowd/fans during TEAMFIGHTS. Finally, this game for an MMO has one of the most fluid combat systems I have come across. I’m genuinely shocked that a company who’s aim is to innovate so much that you don’t want to highlight or develop this as part of your game – people do not want to watch seige warfare nor capture the point between 3 people. World vs World already has a big following, due to good guilds and good fights. I can’t talk for everyone, but in my opinion whats keep those guilds here for the majority is Guild vs Guild. Were not saying that World vs World is pointless, bad game type or shouldn’t be run at all. It provides good fights that enables you to overcome odds if you know what your doing. BUT, when it comes to competition, it simple doesn’t set a fair playing field between Guilds.

If anyone from Anet ever reads this (which I doubt after the last response). Instead of passing this off as community driven only – why not actually get involved and see how you can develop this. I’m not going to pretend to be an expect about business, but if you look around you – the answers are pretty clear. Remember, there is nothing worse than an individual/company who’s self righteous with its own creation.

So, I guess the only question left to ask is….

Is there anyone else out there with a sexy spanish accent that can make their own version of GvG Showdown, and give guilds the recognition they deserve?

Naw, nobody can replace Ogre. It was his baby, and likely no one can match the level of passion he brought to the shows.

Jayne.9251:

Naw, nobody can replace Ogre. It was his baby, and likely no one can match the level of passion he brought to the shows.

Well, I don’t want somebody to replace him. He’s unique for sure, but I’m sure there are people out there with passion like his, even if they lack the same style. That’s why I chose the words “their own version of GvG Showdown.”