Guild Wars 2

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Sure, I will do the honors: any shiny new MMO on the market. There. Done.

Ogre.1750:

Hello? is it me you’re looking for?

I can see it in your eyes….

Feed Me Change.6528:

Anyone else a little disappointed this stuff was leaked?? I’d be pumped to log in one day and “OMG WE CAN GVG!!!@!#!@” rather than just waiting for the update to come out now…

Thanks a bunch Sacrx, you ruined Christmas

I disagree, but to each their own.

Albane.3618:

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Sure, I will do the honors: any shiny new MMO on the market. There. Done.

Because getting tossed a bone is such a bad thing.

At least know there is a hope and there is a goal

Knowing this revitalized my willingness to raid WvW even in this terribly cruel match up.

I dont mind it being a leak.

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Fair question. Just an opinion so we are all on the same page with all due respect.

A percentage of the player base kicking and screaming the loudest forcing a design change. And it doesn’t matter which side of the wall you lean on either. The fundamental design of WvW is a free and open map whereas 3 servers fight. Within those rules of engagement you can play solo, you can duo, you can command, lead pugs, join parties, join a squad. You can take keeps, towers, and castles. Prior to change (note, design change again due to kicking and screaming) you could lay siege in the various JP’s to control or grief (take your pick, I’m fair) or just prevent free siege plans. WvW was not a controlled form of combat like s/t PvP. It was not designed that way nor are they arena’s of 2, 3, or 5 people vs. another equally composed number of players or teams.

The so called fight clubs or GvG tournaments can be done inside WvW but it is a extracurricular activity or process by like minded people and takes some coordination. A by product of that is the sound of white noise (aka other players on the map not wanting to join in that form of play or simply don’t know about it and believe red is dead).

Is this a design issue? Probably. Does it need to be in the EB JP? I guess if they feel they are lack luster that is a good place to put it. But my issue is the way it went down and a small percentage of the population forcing a change to a format that never had that form of intent. Heck, I hail from DaOC and we didn’t put up with this.

People, guilds, and alliances knew who roamed in 8 man parties. People also knew who zerged. Others knew there was a time and place to do both. The main difference is that it was a PvP designed game prior to ToA and the portal had data to support these types of events. We knew who was highest in realm points, kills, deaths, by class, by guild, and by alliance, and by players.

GW2 doesn’t have that. May never have that. But to have all the drama and then follow up with a design change makes me cringe a bit because it seems like a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out path or design. Thus my comment.

Albane.3618:

Asudementio.8526:

Crapgame.6519:

If this is correct then this game is really in a death spiral.

Elaborate please?

Sure, I will do the honors: any shiny new MMO on the market. There. Done.

I don’t think there is a shiny new MMO. Even if there was, it wouldn’t be the reason. Drama and screaming from a percentage of a game population causes a major design change. Just like what happened with the JP’s and siege placement (has an example).

WvW has been lacking when you look at the other formats of play in the game. Personally, I’d say make it like S/T PvP and use equipment lockers. However, it is a free form of open world PvP against other servers. It has its ups and downs but at the end of the day it is what you make of it. For the most part WvW is all I play because I come from DaOC. This is like a walk in the park to me.

Crapgame.6519:

But my issue is the way it went down and a small percentage of the population forcing a change to a format that never had that form of intent. Heck, I hail from DaOC and we didn’t put up with this.

This is not a format change, this is an addition, extension if you will, of sandbox to support wider variety of play styles. Which is the goal of sandbox in the fist place. I’m assuming you agree that WvW is a sandbox since you said about it being more open and less ruled environment with only formal frame.

But to have all the drama and then follow up with a design change makes me cringe a bit because it seems like a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out path or design. Thus my comment.

Did you consider the possibility that this desicion was made as a quick solution to kill the drama (read the conflict inside WvW population between those who GvG and those who don’t)?

We could have been fed with with “we are working on it” for another season while well thought out solution would be implemented. Or have basically what we were asking for at minimum, right now. And THEN wait for more global changes.

Yaro.3251:

Crapgame.6519:

But my issue is the way it went down and a small percentage of the population forcing a change to a format that never had that form of intent. Heck, I hail from DaOC and we didn’t put up with this.

This is not a format change, this is an addition, extension if you will, of sandbox to support wider variety of play styles. Which is the goal of sandbox in the fist place. I’m assuming you agree that WvW is a sandbox since you said about it being more open and less ruled environment with only formal frame.

But to have all the drama and then follow up with a design change makes me cringe a bit because it seems like a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out path or design. Thus my comment.

Did you consider the possibility that this desicion was made as a quick solution to kill the drama (read the conflict inside WvW population between those who GvG and those who don’t)?

We could have been fed with with “we are working on it” for another season while well thought out solution would be implemented. Or have basically what we were asking for at minimum, right now. And THEN wait for more global changes.

I don’t think I’d agree it is a sandbox but I could just be mincing words on my part (no intent). “I” believe we are in agreement more or less though.

Did I consider the quick solution? Yes, I did but not maybe to the full degree in your reply. I think in my opinion there are issues on how you actually define a guild, what numbers per side it means, and what is allowed in respect to gearing and people. One of the fundamental issues with WvW is that it is, at the end of the day, a numbers game. A secondary flaw would be one of time zones. To complicate it further you have a hybrid mix of level 80’s, upticks, and gear. Makes it a melting pot in which this new, quick, additional format of a game may or may take into consideration. Point is, the mob rules.

So my take is simply that people wanted a form of arena’s but call it something cooler than what the two ton heavy thing does. Thus enter G vs. G.

Lmfao Ogro, youre still alive bro haha what you been up to?

On-topic;
EXG had quite an unusual GvG last night against Virtual Masters [VM] in a 5v5 setting. Only spectator view up atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZXsg0zE4jo&feature=youtu.be

The guys ran with 2 bloodlust buffs while Deso had none. Wasnt too bad imo.

End score: 3 – 0 for EXG

Grotesque.6479:

Lmfao Ogro, youre still alive bro haha what you been up to?

GTA V, I’ve heard. Ogre’s YT channel is pretty telling

Greetings,
We’ve recently begun work on finding a reasonable space to accommodate the desires of players in World vs. World who wish to participate in organized, large-scale battles. We have decided to add an area to the Obsidian Sanctum jumping puzzle that is large enough to fit the fights and is removed from the entrances to facilitate some of the basic rules that are used during these fights. In addition, we will be disabling the borderlands bloodlust buff inside the map so that the players will be on a relatively even playing field. Finally, to make it easier to get to the map, we’ll be adding the map to the dropdown menu of WvW maps, allowing you to enter it from anywhere in the game. The space being added is really amazing and I think you are all going to enjoy battling it out in there if it is your preferred way to play. We decided to put this area in the jumping puzzle with the hopes of providing a space for people who wish to play the game this way to be able to do so without causing friction between them and other players who wish to focus on the other aspects of the game in WvW.
Guild vs. Guild is a gametype that has a lot of potential and one that we would never do anything but the best possible version of. That version, if it comes, will have to wait until the resources are available to build it. This change is an attempt to provide a workable solution in a timely manner, one that will ease some of the conflict that we have seen arise on the forums and in the game. WvW is an incredibly successful and engaging part of our game. It will continue to be a major focus for us as a studio and we will continue to put our effort into changes that are in the best interests of WvW as a gametype and the WvW community as a whole.
As is our practice, we won’t be releasing this until it is ready to go.
Devon Carver
WvW Coordinator

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Obsidian-Sanctum-space-for-large-battles

is this the RISE of GVG again ?
we shall see

Lets kitten well hope so. Its time to get this rolling again guys!

It’s not even dead now, though stumbling around like a drunken sailor. Let’s crank it back up now instead of waiting for the arena, who knows how long that will take.

Why oh why did I open this thread?

Now that stupid song is stuck in my head. ><

GvG vs RAGE 15v15 and Scrim vs FURY 20v20 are in that after 2:30

Impressive Jackie! Nice work Seems we are kind of running the same build as far as I could see haha

Time to revive the scene, isn ’kitten
Even if the arena is way to kittening late, we can still make to best out of our situation.

Ps: Why would you censore i s n ’ t i t ???

Grammar kitten at its finest. Isn’kitten

I’d prefer if they’d be more creative and do something like “isn’ (. )( .)”

P.S. Oh it’s not even grammar. My oh my, the burden of Puritan…

My apologies for the late response. These are the results from the poll, if anyone is interested to set something up let me know so I can give you the rest of the information.

Interested:

Bronze league:

- Decisive Actions
- Spirit of Faith
- Brazilian Legion
- Incendies
- Remnants Of Terror
- Reticle
- Midnight Mafia Inc
- Qwerty
- Offensiv
- Vengeance Of The Fallen
- Ekitsuki
- Omen Gaming Community
- Second Law
- Draka Ris
- We Be Chilling
- Everything Purple

Silver League:

- Forsaken Gamers
- Elite Solidarity
- StarveD
- No Names Forever
- Inner Sanctum
- VII
- Furious Cookies
- D A W N
- Zero Negative

Not interested:

- TheNoLimit
- H A R D
- Os Guild
- Im A Lumberjack And Im Ok
- Bourrins Sans Frontieres
- The Emerald Fang
- Reason For Extinction
- The Iron Triangle
- Feel Lucky
- Ctrl Alt Elite
- Pyromancers
- Good Old Days
- Last flight Of The Crow

Sorry I’v lost the track – interested in what? GvG league?

yaro i think its the people that are willing to go to an EU WvW league for guaranteed matchups against the other servers…. GF decided we didnt want to xfer to EU because of the ping and time difference

Bloodlust:
1 – +30
2 – +50
3 – +60
——————

I guess that the new changes aren’t that bad.

I hope to see the new GvG area arrive soon.

VII vs SC 15v15 Starting any minute!
http://www.twitch.tv/censtudios

TheUltimateBackStabber.4863:

Bloodlust:
1 – +30
2 – +50
3 – +60
——————

I guess that the new changes aren’t that bad.

I hope to see the new GvG area arrive soon.

And with this there is no reason not to gvg anymore, and no reason to hold off until the arena arrives, especially with no assurance when that will happen. These buffs are pretty inconsequential even during the rare occasions when one of the guild’s server has all 3.

nothing.7941:

TheUltimateBackStabber.4863:

Bloodlust:
1 – +30
2 – +50
3 – +60
——————

I guess that the new changes aren’t that bad.

I hope to see the new GvG area arrive soon.

And with this there is no reason not to gvg anymore, and no reason to hold off until the arena arrives, especially with no assurance when that will happen. These buffs are pretty inconsequential even during the rare occasions when one of the guild’s server has all 3.

ikr, was being ironic with the last sentence because now it’s more duable with the bloodlust changes.

There is no rush in adding the gvg area now, I think.

Yeah, I understood that, I was quoting you for the buff change. I still want the arena personally, for aesthetics, to avoid conflict with wvw, and because any buff is unbalancing even if just a little. But my point was it’s now just a little, so let’s get back to the gvg!

nothing.7941:

TheUltimateBackStabber.4863:

Bloodlust:
1 – +30
2 – +50
3 – +60
——————

I guess that the new changes aren’t that bad.

I hope to see the new GvG area arrive soon.

And with this there is no reason not to gvg anymore, and no reason to hold off until the arena arrives, especially with no assurance when that will happen. These buffs are pretty inconsequential even during the rare occasions when one of the guild’s server has all 3.

There was never a reason to excuse own faults just because of +50 or +100 stats on one side(if someone got 3 buffs you can always wait 2 more mins yep?)
Many guilds did GvGs, mostly in EU. We tried to do as many as possible with out roster changes so big thanks to our opponents.

Looking forward to EU “silver league”. Will be VERY interesting. And nope, I’m not talking about PPT

This game needs official GvG

Tiger.7506:

This game needs official GvG

not really, we just need an area to be able to do this without interruptions.

Here are some videos of [PYRO]’s GvG tonight with [RET].

Final Score: [PYRO] 4 – 1 [RET]

Frontline Destroyer Warrior (with comms):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcPt5ecFg-g
Backline Staff Ele:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--6WpiNCDU

VII vs CS

http://www.twitch.tv/censtudios

[Agg] vs [EP]

6-5

one of the few gvg’s of many to come between us and ep

[EXG] vs [TDA] 10v10

5 – 4 (with scrimms – official score is 3 – 2 )

Part1 (TDA PoV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_hCMUADCuA&feature=player_embedded#t=0
Part2 (TDA PoV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB4JnJdFpU&feature=player_embedded#t=0

Devitz.2136:

nothing.7941:

TheUltimateBackStabber.4863:

Bloodlust:
1 – +30
2 – +50
3 – +60
——————

I guess that the new changes aren’t that bad.

I hope to see the new GvG area arrive soon.

And with this there is no reason not to gvg anymore, and no reason to hold off until the arena arrives, especially with no assurance when that will happen. These buffs are pretty inconsequential even during the rare occasions when one of the guild’s server has all 3.

There was never a reason to excuse own faults just because of +50 or +100 stats on one side(if someone got 3 buffs you can always wait 2 more mins yep?)
Many guilds did GvGs, mostly in EU. We tried to do as many as possible with out roster changes so big thanks to our opponents.

Looking forward to EU “silver league”. Will be VERY interesting. And nope, I’m not talking about PPT

We gvg’d also, but you’re right, it seems the NA gvg scene cooled off quite a bit.

Os vs Boss 20 vs 20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3aABmim_Q

Os vs Newps 20 vs ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZfEQ8N_BG0

EU GvG scene is still going on, especially in Silver League. You could say it has never been this active as it is right now. Will try to get videos uploaded and Live Stream announcements up in time.

Scrimms happen in NA, but not a lot of Official GvG’s.

I think the problem is:
Last week the Bloodlust buff was still OP (if I remember it correctly), and this week in NA Gold league (I think that most of the GvG’s guilds are located in the Gold League) we got long queues and skill lag most of the times, so guilds aren’t really looking for GvG’s this week.
I hope to see some GvG’s happen next week.

NA GvG scene is actually still going pretty well!
Just seems nothing is being logged as official until the new area gets put in.

Yeah, most the NA GvG guilds are in gold league. With the pub flood going on it’s hard to find a BL that isn’t queued for both of us. We are still GvGing though.

Imo, if you really want GvG’s xfer to mid-mid low tiers. The lag in 80vs80vs80 is ridiculous.

Omne.4603:

Imo, if you really want GvG’s xfer to mid-mid low tiers. The lag in 80vs80vs80 is ridiculous.

You should realize that your opponents would have to transfer as well…

But yeah I can imagine the higher tiers being epic lagfest for gvgs.

at the moment all gvg’s in NA are being flagged unofficial due to orb buff and other small factors
but they are going on, hopefully anet can pump this new map out bug free soon so we can start logging all of these on gw2gvg.com and start keeping count / record

Sure would be nice if we could gvg against any NA Guilds (or EU if you’re there) instead of just those in your 3 server match. We never have any chance to play tons of gvg guilds, and some matches we cannot find one guild that wants to gvg. I hope anet really is working on a true gvg game mode to deal with this.

Rumor has it that the new beta they are starting (edge of the mists) will assign guilds into colors, most likely RGB. These colors will work like servers do. The other but less likely rumor is that EU/NA will be mixed for the beta. In theory you could have Agg and Scnd fighting each other, and agg being on a neutral color with COIN from BG. just an example.
Source: Guild is starting beta event soon.

[PYRO] vs [EP] 10/30/2013

Final Score:

[PYRO] 4 – 3 [EP]

Frontline Destroyer Warrior PoV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MS-n8dsV8

PredatoR.5247:

at the moment all gvg’s in NA are being flagged unofficial due to orb buff and other small factors
but they are going on, hopefully anet can pump this new map out bug free soon so we can start logging all of these on gw2gvg.com and start keeping count / record

Until then, we’re still having a lot of fun, and NA guilds are trying new things all the time, which is very encouraging to see. It would be nice if GvG’s were official again, though. We’ve had 2 cancelled on us in this week alone, which has royally sucked.

Greetings,
I wanted to let you all know about the progress we have been making on the new area in the Obsidian Sanctum jumping puzzle. We’ve been taking feedback and testing the area and we are planning to release the new version of the map in November, barring any unforeseen difficulties. The changes to the map will remove the Borderlands Bloodlust buff from players in the map and will introduce a brand new area of the map laid out for large player fights. We are also adding the map to the dropdown menu so that players will be more quickly able to enter the map from anywhere, without being required to load into Eternal Battlegrounds.
We hope these changes will create a better WvW experience for everyone while providing a space for players to explore the large scale fights that have organically grown up around the game.
I, personally, would like to give thanks to the WvW team which has done a ton of great work in a very short period of time to make this happen quickly and to accommodate the feedback we have received. We hope you enjoy the new space and thanks for playing!
Devon Carver
WvW Coordinator

well i cant wait to see or this gonna work. It’s faster in the game then i expected

So all guilds get that rustyness out and get training ^^

GL To EVRYONE (if this update is what we needed :P)

GvG [VoTF] VS [GD] on http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2pvptv in about 5-10 minutes if anyone wants to watch it

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2pvptv/b/476959238
Timestamp of the fights Enjoy
First Fight 1:03:00
Second fight 1:10:50
Third Fight 1:52:24
Forth Fight 2:15:50
Fifth Fight 2:21:50